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Originally Posted By jmt1271: Just checked with my clinic. The TB500 BPC157 stack, is 450 dollars a vial. Damn. That is one months supply, she suggested doing it for 3 months. Lol that's nuts ETA, just checked the email again. 450 is 20 days not a month. With a little research you could probably order a whole kit of that combo (10 vials) from China for $160 including shipping. |
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Originally Posted By ProfessorFalken: With a little research you could probably order a whole kit of that combo (10 vials) from China for $160 including shipping. I wonder if that is the same source these clinics use? |
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Originally Posted By jmt1271: I wonder if that is the same source these clinics use? A lot of our pharmaceutical drugs are coming from China. I think most peptides are manufactured there as well. I'd be shocked if a lab was actually making peptides for mass distribution in the USA. What we are getting is USA companies ordering shit from China. They have an 'independent lab' check the product to ensure its pure. They slap their label on and they sell it at a juicy markup. |
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Originally Posted By ICEAGE: A lot of our pharmaceutical drugs are coming from China. I think most peptides are manufactured there as well. I'd be shocked if a lab was actually making peptides for mass distribution in the USA. What we are getting is USA companies ordering shit from China. They have an 'independent lab' check the product to ensure its pure. They slap their label on and they sell it at a juicy markup. That's what I assume. I want to try it but not willing to pay the clinic price. |
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Originally Posted By jmt1271: Just checked with my clinic. The TB500 BPC157 stack, is 450 dollars a vial. Damn. That is one months supply, she suggested doing it for 3 months. Lol that's nuts ETA, just checked the email again. 450 is 20 days not a month. |
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Originally Posted By TheRealSundance: Hgh 36 iu. SSA great experience. 11days from order to arrival from far east. How did you order (all I can find is weblinks to telegram and I don't have it, and I can't pay with crypto). And this is a trustworthy process as far as you're concerned? Thanks. |
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Originally Posted By tucansam: How did you order (all I can find is weblinks to telegram and I don't have it, and I can't pay with crypto). And this is a trustworthy process as far as you're concerned? Thanks. Originally Posted By tucansam: Originally Posted By TheRealSundance: Hgh 36 iu. SSA great experience. 11days from order to arrival from far east. How did you order (all I can find is weblinks to telegram and I don't have it, and I can't pay with crypto). And this is a trustworthy process as far as you're concerned? Thanks. If you won't download telegram, and you can't pay with crypto, you're going to be at a tremendous disadvantage. You can probably get a salespersons email contact from one of the forums, but payment is still going to be an issue, crypto is the method they'll want you to use. |
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Originally Posted By ProfessorFalken: If you won't download telegram, and you can't pay with crypto, you're going to be at a tremendous disadvantage. You can probably get a salespersons email contact from one of the forums, but payment is still going to be an issue, crypto is the method they'll want you to use. Thanks. I have crypto, I just have no idea how to pay with it. |
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Originally Posted By JaredC1: @goloud What’s the difference between Tesamorelin and what you cited in your OP? They sound similar so I assume they’re related somehow I just finished 12 weeks of Tesamorelin so curious what the difference is. Originally Posted By JaredC1: @goloud What’s the difference between Tesamorelin and what you cited in your OP? They sound similar so I assume they’re related somehow I just finished 12 weeks of Tesamorelin so curious what the difference is. I’m a beginner and not a medical professional. The doctor I used suggested Sermorelin. After 12 weeks, I had no side effects and mild improvement in fat loss. I’m down 10lbs. But, I also made other changes, like going full keto/carnivore and increasing the number and intensity of my workouts. Tesamorelin is a synthetic analog of growth hormone-releasing hormone (GHRH), developed to stimulate the pituitary gland to increase endogenous growth hormone (GH) production. It is most widely recognized for its ability to reduce visceral adipose tissue (VAT), particularly in individuals with HIV-associated lipodystrophy. Tesamorelin is administered via subcutaneous injection, typically once daily. The treatment leads to increased GH and insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) levels, supporting enhanced lipolysis, metabolic function, and body composition. Sermorelin is a short-chain peptide fragment of GHRH that acts as a GH secretagogue, meaning it prompts the pituitary gland to produce more growth hormone. Unlike Tesamorelin, Sermorelin’s mechanism closely mimics natural GH release cycles, making it a preferred option in anti-aging protocols and hormone optimization therapy. It is typically injected subcutaneously at night, aligning with the body's natural circadian rhythm of GH secretion. Tesamorelin is a clinically validated treatment best suited for targeted fat loss and metabolic correction, especially in populations with HIV-associated lipodystrophy or high visceral fat. Sermorelin offers a gentler, long-term solution for those seeking anti-aging, muscle preservation, and natural hormone support with a lower side effect profile. “Source”: https://swolverine.com/blogs/blog/tesamorelin-vs-sermorelin-which-growth-hormone-peptide-is-right-for-you? |
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Originally Posted By zoe17: Still looking for BP-157 or Testmorlan(sp). So many places and most seem sketchy. |
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Originally Posted By zoe17: Still looking for BP-157 or Testmorlan(sp). So many places and most seem sketchy. I can vouch 100% for Pura Peptides. They are the only place I've purchased any peptides from. Easy pay, US based, orders arrive quickly, products are effective and work as they should. |
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Originally Posted By tucansam: How did you order (all I can find is weblinks to telegram and I don't have it, and I can't pay with crypto). And this is a trustworthy process as far as you're concerned? why can't or won't you pay with crypto? yes it is trustworthy. i use Ray as my rep. you can use any wallet to pay, they will send you an address to send payment to. Cash app works well with low fees. |
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Originally Posted By TheRealSundance: Cash app works well with low fees. Cash app is stupid-easy to use to do the crypto thing. I was WAY overcomplicating the whole crypto thing in my head prior to figuring it out on there, and I was quite resistant to figuring it out for whatever preconceived reasons I had. You literally just trade your dollars, either from your balance on the app or via instant transfer from your checking/saving, hit the bitcoin tab, hit "buy", enter how many dollars worth of BTC you want to purchase, and it will subtract it from your dollar balance and add it to your BTC balance. Then when you are ready to make a payment, the seller will send you a big long string of characters that is their "wallet" or whatever, you open up your cash app and go to the BTC section, hit the little symbcol that looks like a down arrow and up arrow, enter in the dollar amount of BTC that you want to send them and copy/paste their big long string of characters in, and hit send. Not much to it, as it turns out. ETA: There IS a verification process you have to go thru in order to be able to do BTC on cash app. It involves uploading pics of your state-issued ID and then a biometric face thing. Takes 5 mins or less. |
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Originally Posted By rollin-tumblin: I can vouch 100% for Pura Peptides. They are the only place I've purchased any peptides from. Easy pay, US based, orders arrive quickly, products are effective and work as they should. I will vouch for Pura Peptides as well. I've placed two successful orders with them. |
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Originally Posted By goloud: I’m a beginner and not a medical professional. The doctor I used suggested Sermorelin. After 12 weeks, I had no side effects and mild improvement in fat loss. I’m down 10lbs. But, I also made other changes, like going full keto/carnivore and increasing the number and intensity of my workouts. “Source”: https://swolverine.com/blogs/blog/tesamorelin-vs-sermorelin-which-growth-hormone-peptide-is-right-for-you? Originally Posted By goloud: Originally Posted By JaredC1: @goloud What’s the difference between Tesamorelin and what you cited in your OP? They sound similar so I assume they’re related somehow I just finished 12 weeks of Tesamorelin so curious what the difference is. I’m a beginner and not a medical professional. The doctor I used suggested Sermorelin. After 12 weeks, I had no side effects and mild improvement in fat loss. I’m down 10lbs. But, I also made other changes, like going full keto/carnivore and increasing the number and intensity of my workouts. Tesamorelin is a synthetic analog of growth hormone-releasing hormone (GHRH), developed to stimulate the pituitary gland to increase endogenous growth hormone (GH) production. It is most widely recognized for its ability to reduce visceral adipose tissue (VAT), particularly in individuals with HIV-associated lipodystrophy. Tesamorelin is administered via subcutaneous injection, typically once daily. The treatment leads to increased GH and insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) levels, supporting enhanced lipolysis, metabolic function, and body composition. Sermorelin is a short-chain peptide fragment of GHRH that acts as a GH secretagogue, meaning it prompts the pituitary gland to produce more growth hormone. Unlike Tesamorelin, Sermorelin’s mechanism closely mimics natural GH release cycles, making it a preferred option in anti-aging protocols and hormone optimization therapy. It is typically injected subcutaneously at night, aligning with the body's natural circadian rhythm of GH secretion. Tesamorelin is a clinically validated treatment best suited for targeted fat loss and metabolic correction, especially in populations with HIV-associated lipodystrophy or high visceral fat. Sermorelin offers a gentler, long-term solution for those seeking anti-aging, muscle preservation, and natural hormone support with a lower side effect profile. “Source”: https://swolverine.com/blogs/blog/tesamorelin-vs-sermorelin-which-growth-hormone-peptide-is-right-for-you? Interesting. My understanding was the initial tests were on those with HIV but the peptide has nothing to do with HIV treatment specifically It makes sense what you bolded though since I was told I needed to cycle the Tesamorelin and do like 12 weeks on and I think it was 4 weeks off. I just finished my first cycle. Had about 2% fat loss and my recovery was way better. But I also started TRT at the same time so hard to say if it was a combination of both or one or the other @goloud |
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Originally Posted By zoe17: Those that have tried BPC-157 from Pura, how much and the saline/water/whatever to make liquid was it included? I do 2 mL bacteriostatic water in my 10mg vials from Pura. This will result in a 5 mg/mL concentration. I do 500mcg daily injections, and this is 10 units on a standard 1cc syringe. If you want a more aggressive dose, then 20 units would be a 1mg injection. The bac water is not included from Pura. I buy from Amazon. I'm sure there are many sources for it. |
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Originally Posted By rollin-tumblin: I do 2 mL bacteriostatic water in my 10mg vials from Pura. This will result in a 5 mg/mL concentration. I do 500mcg daily injections, and this is 10 units on a standard 1cc syringe. If you want a more aggressive dose, then 20 units would be a 1mg injection. The bac water is not included from Pura. I buy from Amazon. I'm sure there are many sources for it. So what is the math and what is the dose for general healing? I've been reading 500mcg per day... Some do it 7 days a week for four weeks, some do it 5 days a week for four weeks, some do it every-other-day.... And some do it for more than a month. I'm wanting to generally give all of my soft tissue a little tune-up after 48 hard years of not really taking care of myself after hard gym workouts. Daily use for 30 days seems to be about the average recommendation for this purpose. If that's the case, how many 10mg vials do I need? My math says 1.5. Thanks. |
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Originally Posted By tucansam: So what is the math and what is the dose for general healing? I've been reading 500mcg per day... Some do it 7 days a week for four weeks, some do it 5 days a week for four weeks, some do it every-other-day.... And some do it for more than a month. I'm wanting to generally give all of my soft tissue a little tune-up after 48 hard years of not really taking care of myself after hard gym workouts. Daily use for 30 days seems to be about the average recommendation for this purpose. If that's the case, how many 10mg vials do I need? My math says 1.5. Thanks. Correct on the math. You'll get twenty 500mcg doses out of one 10mg vial, so 1.5 for 30 days. You might consider looking at TB-500 for the more generalized soft tissue healing, since it is more systemic rather than localized. Or there are lots of people that "stack" BPC and TB, and do the 500mcg dosage typically into the abdomen area I believe, on M W F for instance. Pura even has a blend of 10 mg's of both in a vial, and I'm sure there are other suppliers that offer the blend as well. |
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Originally Posted By rollin-tumblin: Correct on the math. You'll get twenty 500mcg doses out of one 10mg vial, so 1.5 for 30 days. You might consider looking at TB-500 for the more generalized soft tissue healing, since it is more systemic rather than localized. Or there are lots of people that "stack" BPC and TB, and do the 500mcg dosage typically into the abdomen area I believe, on M W F for instance. Pura even has a blend of 10 mg's of both in a vial, and I'm sure there are other suppliers that offer the blend as well. I actually got the BPC157/TB500 combo, both in the same vial. Got two vials delivered for the same price I could have gotten 20 vials from China, so I may look at other sources later if the stuff ends up working. I was prepared to take both daily for 40 days -- is the M/W/F protocol preferred? It would certainly allow the therapy to extend for a much longer period of time.... |
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Originally Posted By tucansam: I actually got the BPC157/TB500 combo, both in the same vial. Got two vials delivered for the same price I could have gotten 20 vials from China, so I may look at other sources later if the stuff ends up working. I was prepared to take both daily for 40 days -- is the M/W/F protocol preferred? It would certainly allow the therapy to extend for a much longer period of time.... It is my understanding that the M W F dosing protocol, or even just twice-weekly, is preferred due to the longer half-life of the TB-500. Also from what I understand, there is no benefit to more frequent dosing with it, so its just a waste of that component of the blend. |
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BPC157 and TB500 are both systemic and can be injected in the belly. Never get them mixed as you'll never get enough tb500 to be effective. Here is what I do: TB500 at 5mg twice a week and bpc157 at 500 or 1000mcg daily This knocked out tennis elbow and another tendon injury in my other elbow, from doing side delt raises, in 2 weeks. I was pain free in two weeks, but not completely healed for another few. Here is what you can do that I based mine off of: Attached File Attached File |
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Originally Posted By ProfessorFalken: It's ridiculously effective. Originally Posted By ProfessorFalken: Originally Posted By 217: Anyone tried Retatrutide? It's ridiculously effective. I’m a week in at 600mcg 3x/wk. hunger is non existent, no cravings, down like 3-4lbs only adding some walking into the routine (probably water). I don’t know how anyone would be able to survive at the recommended therapeutic dosages used in their studies. The biggest challenge i can see with it is getting enough protein on the regular to avoid muscle wasting. |
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Originally Posted By TheRealSundance: BPC157 and TB500 are both systemic and can be injected in the belly. Never get them mixed as you'll never get enough tb500 to be effective. Here is what I do: TB500 at 5mg twice a week and bpc157 at 500 or 1000mcg daily This knocked out tennis elbow and another tendon injury in my other elbow, from doing side delt raises, in 2 weeks. I was pain free in two weeks, but not completely healed for another few. Here is what you can do that I based mine off of: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32522/IMG_9167_jpeg-3534629.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32522/IMG_9168_jpeg-3534633.JPG Excellent info. I wish I had read it a few days ago. I bought a 10ml 157/10mg 500 mix. I've found a couple of different protocols to run; all include (necessarily) dosing the 157 higher in order to get "enough 500. Suggestions welcome. |
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For those working on the "math". Here are a couple of calculators that seems to be accurate, always double check and cross reference here if you need to. Peptides calculator Prime peptides |
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Originally Posted By tucansam: Excellent info. I wish I had read it a few days ago. I bought a 10ml 157/10mg 500 mix. I've found a couple of different protocols to run; all include (necessarily) dosing the 157 higher in order to get "enough 500. Suggestions welcome. Originally Posted By tucansam: Originally Posted By TheRealSundance: BPC157 and TB500 are both systemic and can be injected in the belly. Never get them mixed as you'll never get enough tb500 to be effective. Here is what I do: TB500 at 5mg twice a week and bpc157 at 500 or 1000mcg daily This knocked out tennis elbow and another tendon injury in my other elbow, from doing side delt raises, in 2 weeks. I was pain free in two weeks, but not completely healed for another few. Here is what you can do that I based mine off of: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32522/IMG_9167_jpeg-3534629.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32522/IMG_9168_jpeg-3534633.JPG Excellent info. I wish I had read it a few days ago. I bought a 10ml 157/10mg 500 mix. I've found a couple of different protocols to run; all include (necessarily) dosing the 157 higher in order to get "enough 500. Suggestions welcome. just do that for now and see how it goes. We all react differently to substances in our body. Live and learn my friend. We're all new to this stuff. |
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Originally Posted By tonysoprano150: How do you order from SSA? |
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Originally Posted By TheRealSundance: Find them on telegram, join group and hit up a sales rep. I use Ray. I’m pretty apprehensive about this. I don’t know the whole story, but I know someone local to me that got tripped up by the feds for ordering HGH from China. I think he pleaded guilty to ordering it for personal use, but not distribution or intent. |
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Originally Posted By tonysoprano150: I’m pretty apprehensive about this. I don’t know the whole story, but I know someone local to me that got tripped up by the feds for ordering HGH from China. I think he pleaded guilty to ordering it for personal use, but not distribution or intent. Wise not to touch any substance on any Schedule without the approrpriate prescription, if needed. |
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Originally Posted By tonysoprano150: I'm pretty apprehensive about this. I don't know the whole story, but I know someone local to me that got tripped up by the feds for ordering HGH from China. I think he pleaded guilty to ordering it for personal use, but not distribution or intent. could it happen? Sure. Hgh isnt a scheduled drug so all they would do is confiscate it. From what I read on other boards, they send a letter to your house saying a package has been held and you can come pick it up. If you're a moron, you go get it and they arrest you. The feds don't give a shit about Joe Schmoe ordering 10 or 20 viles of HGH. |
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Admittedly, this has more to do with more intense workouts and a carnivore diet than Sermorelin… But I’m down 13lbs in about 8 weeks, lost 2 inches on my waist, and increased strength gains. Plus I feel great. Fasting, keto, and strength training is a cheat code. |
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Originally Posted By goloud: Admittedly, this has more to do with more intense workouts and a carnivore diet than Sermorelin… But I’m down 13lbs in about 8 weeks, lost 2 inches on my waist, and increased strength gains. Plus I feel great. Fasting, keto, and strength training is a cheat code. I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure what I'm going to say is true. When you get done with that cheat code, add 400g of carbohydrates to your daily diet and continue strength training. Holy shit carbs are effective for strength training and muscle growth. I personally wouldn't even try to make gains without carbs. You'll feel like fucking Superman on 400g of carbs per day after working out on keto and fasting. |
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Originally Posted By rollin-tumblin: I can vouch 100% for Pura Peptides. They are the only place I've purchased any peptides from. Easy pay, US based, orders arrive quickly, products are effective and work as they should. I need to reach out to Pura. Many of the labs they claim to use to verify their products looks like its not a real company. Email addresses are laughable and bounce. Websites are very clearly AI-generated (there is stuff like "Suggested Text:" that someone forgot to remove before they made the site live). I've used Pura's stuff, but now i'm extra concerned. I'm 100% certain its just marked up relabeled Chinese stuff. Fake lab testing. Amazing. |
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Originally Posted By ProfessorFalken: I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure what I'm going to say is true. When you get done with that cheat code, add 400g of carbohydrates to your daily diet and continue strength training. Holy shit carbs are effective for strength training and muscle growth. I personally wouldn't even try to make gains without carbs. You'll feel like fucking Superman on 400g of carbs per day after working out on keto and fasting. 1 gram of protien per lb is what you want to shoot for. You also need to know what your daily maintenance level of calories is and exceed that if you want to put on muscle mass. |
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Pura got back to me within minutes, on a Sunday morning. The reply I got was very non-specific and looked like a partial brush out. He mentioned Pura being listed on Finnricks, so I checked that out, and couldn't find Pura anywhere. I did find a rating system, and looked at a company called Peptide Science. They got an "A+" rating on Finnrick's site for a particular peptide, so I went to the company's site to check it out. Pura sells the exact same thing for $85. Peptide Science sells is for $315. WTF. While I do feel like the product I used did have some positive effect, I am now back to being exceptionally paranoid about purity levels and whether or not these vendors are capable of being honest about sourcing and product content. If I wanted to make a quick buck, I'd bring this stuff in from China in a huge quantity, slap a different logo on it, mark it up 50% and generate some AI lab reports that point to "lab companies" with websites that are AI generated..... I'm totally skeptical now. ETA Take a look at this... https://freedomdiagnosticstesting.com/privacy-policy/ If a company said they use this company for lab testing, what would this part of their site make you think? |
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Originally Posted By TheRealSundance: just do that for now and see how it goes. We all react differently to substances in our body. Live and learn my friend. We're all new to this stuff. It seemed to have a generally positive effect, but now I am questioning the sourcing and honesty of the company I ordered from. |
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Originally Posted By tucansam: Pura got back to me within minutes, on a Sunday morning. The reply I got was very non-specific and looked like a partial brush out. He mentioned Pura being listed on Finnricks, so I checked that out, and couldn't find Pura anywhere. I did find a rating system, and looked at a company called Peptide Science. They got an "A+" rating on Finnrick's site for a particular peptide, so I went to the company's site to check it out. Pura sells the exact same thing for $85. Peptide Science sells is for $315. WTF. While I do feel like the product I used did have some positive effect, I am now back to being exceptionally paranoid about purity levels and whether or not these vendors are capable of being honest about sourcing and product content. If I wanted to make a quick buck, I'd bring this stuff in from China in a huge quantity, slap a different logo on it, mark it up 50% and generate some AI lab reports that point to "lab companies" with websites that are AI generated..... I'm totally skeptical now. ETA Take a look at this... https://freedomdiagnosticstesting.com/privacy-policy/ If a company said they use this company for lab testing, what would this part of their site make you think? all these companies sourced their products from China. A 50% markup ? ha ha. It's way up higher than that. if you want products that are definitely tested from a legit testing lab and pay good prices for them. You have to go to the gray market. |
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Originally Posted By TheRealSundance: Ah, no. Carbs are for the energy to work out. Protien is what builds muscle. You need a good ratio of protien, carbs and fat. 1 gram of protien per lb is what you want to shoot for. You also need to know what your daily maintenance level of calories is and exceed that if you want to put on muscle mass. What I'm saying is, if you're strength training without carbs - you're missing out. |
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Originally Posted By ProfessorFalken: What I'm saying is, if you're strength training without carbs - you're missing out. I have no doubt you are right. I just wanted to lose 15lb of body fat while trying to (slightly) increase strength. I’m hesitant to add carbs back in to my diet because I feel so much better without them. |
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