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Posted: 6/16/2022 11:46:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve seen plenty of roided out cops who bust people for pot, anyone using steroids etc shouldn’t be allowed to be a LEO. Why not use PED's and be bigger, faster, and stronger than most individuals you'll have to deal with? I know a shit load of LEO and Fire guys that are on the sauce. As for the pot thing, busting somone with a personal amount use is stupid. Busting somone form impared driving amd obviously high, thats completely different. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 11:50:17 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I always was told it was unions that prevent high fitness standards. But ive never seen a fat state trooper. Come to Texas, you will see em. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 11:55:50 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why not use PED's and be bigger, faster, and stronger than most individuals you'll have to deal with? I know a shit load of LEO and Fire guys that are on the sauce. As for the pot thing, busting somone with a personal amount use is stupid. Busting somone form impared driving amd obviously high, thats completely different. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I’ve seen plenty of roided out cops who bust people for pot, anyone using steroids etc shouldn’t be allowed to be a LEO. Why not use PED's and be bigger, faster, and stronger than most individuals you'll have to deal with? I know a shit load of LEO and Fire guys that are on the sauce. As for the pot thing, busting somone with a personal amount use is stupid. Busting somone form impared driving amd obviously high, thats completely different. PED's are perfectly legal with a script. They never should have been put on the schedule, PED's for all !! |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 11:57:12 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve seen plenty of roided out cops who bust people for pot, anyone using steroids etc shouldn’t be allowed to be a LEO. Ah, Schroedinger's cop - They're either fat, lazy, and stupid or roided-out, violent, rights violators. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 11:58:45 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why not use PED's and be bigger, faster, and stronger than most individuals you'll have to deal with? I know a shit load of LEO and Fire guys that are on the sauce. As for the pot thing, busting somone with a personal amount use is stupid. Busting somone form impared driving amd obviously high, thats completely different. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I’ve seen plenty of roided out cops who bust people for pot, anyone using steroids etc shouldn’t be allowed to be a LEO. Why not use PED's and be bigger, faster, and stronger than most individuals you'll have to deal with? I know a shit load of LEO and Fire guys that are on the sauce. As for the pot thing, busting somone with a personal amount use is stupid. Busting somone form impared driving amd obviously high, thats completely different. Obviously my point went over your head |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 12:08:19 PM EST
[#6]
Nothing more intimidating than a 90 lb. female cop that does 100 pushups every day!
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Posted: 6/16/2022 12:18:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol a purple belt? The academy would be 2 years long, or the quality of purple belts would be on par with the mall karate studios. Getting a purple belt takes a long time. Took me 5 years to get mine. In a perfect world you would treat it as a prerequisite before application, that or 4 years of high school wrestling, Judo, or boxing. But you would have to make being a police officer a job people aspire towards and not just a minimum wage affair. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 12:31:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is why cops aren't Firefighters. That's right, I'm fat shaming the cops, cause I'm fire.   Attached File |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 12:54:25 PM EST
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Y’all are hilarious.
Here’s a clue. You are never going to get tier one street cops. There are a multitude of reasons. First, the juice isn’t worth the squeeze. Taxpayers don’t want to pay what it would cost to have real standards. Second, having standards limits the hiring pool. Police departments can barely fill hiring quotas now, refer back to point one. Third, the public doesn’t want departments full of the type of people who will maintain fitness on their own. Fourth, there are legal and administrative reasons that mandated fitness is going the way of the slapjack. “They should stay in shape for the privilege of having a job.” - lol |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 12:56:01 PM EST
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Might be somewhere around #87 on my list of “shit to do to make LE better”.
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Posted: 6/16/2022 1:04:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ah, Schroedinger's cop - They're either fat, lazy, and stupid or roided-out, violent, rights violators. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I’ve seen plenty of roided out cops who bust people for pot, anyone using steroids etc shouldn’t be allowed to be a LEO. Ah, Schroedinger's cop - They're either fat, lazy, and stupid or roided-out, violent, rights violators. You’re kind of slow huh? They’re using illegal drugs while busting people for drugs….try and keep up. I swear the IQ of the average GD denizen drops every year. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 1:08:03 PM EST
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Protect and Serve at ANY BODY SIZE!
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Posted: 6/16/2022 1:14:25 PM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As someone that has been there, all LEO's should be able to pass cooper standards. Just looked up Cooper standards and those seem easily attainable for anyone who’s not a sedentary hambeast. I’ve got a job as a desk jockey and at 42 I could do 90th+ percentile for the 20-29 age group Monday morning on everything after drinking beer and eating bbq all weekend… For someone who’s life could potentially be dependent upon their fitness level it blows my mind that people in these roles aren’t required to meet SOME level of fitness standards. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 1:16:07 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You're kind of slow huh? They're using illegal drugs while busting people for drugs .try and keep up. I swear the IQ of the average GD denizen drops every year. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've seen plenty of roided out cops who bust people for pot, anyone using steroids etc shouldn't be allowed to be a LEO. Ah, Schroedinger's cop - They're either fat, lazy, and stupid or roided-out, violent, rights violators. You're kind of slow huh? They're using illegal drugs while busting people for drugs .try and keep up. I swear the IQ of the average GD denizen drops every year. Plenty of legal prescriptions easily obtainable by public employees, especially police. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 1:37:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm currently in the middle of a 74 hour work week, if I don't get called in any more or have any other issues. When am I gonna do it? At this moment, I don't even have time to cut my grass. Edit: I'm carrying some extra pounds, but I'm in better shape than a lot of cops I see, and that's not a good thing. My buddy works for another agency and tries to get me to work out with him. He also works 8 hours a day with no concerns about on-call, overtime, or off-duty. Straight 40 a week and nothing else. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Unfortunately, LE is a career that doesn't lend itself to physical fitness. In fact, in a lot of agencies the only people who have time to work out are the admin weenies and the well-connected. I'd love to have time to work out, but 14+hr shifts and on-call for the days I'm not on-shift, plus court, training, and my own basic living needs means I'm lucky to just get enough sleep. Then there's the rotating shifts that add to the stress. I remember years ago when I was on patrol and we had enough officers that things weren't so bad, and I was able to work out every day I was off. Now? not hardly. Even my days "off"..... aren't. When am I gonna do it? At this moment, I don't even have time to cut my grass. Edit: I'm carrying some extra pounds, but I'm in better shape than a lot of cops I see, and that's not a good thing. My buddy works for another agency and tries to get me to work out with him. He also works 8 hours a day with no concerns about on-call, overtime, or off-duty. Straight 40 a week and nothing else. I'm not a cop, but I do work in another profession that can have long hours. Personally, my fitness is a higher priority than housework. If all I have time for is my workouts, then the lawn isn't getting mowed, the dishes aren't getting done, and the bathroom isn't getting cleaned. I get that it wont work for everyone, but I've been a lot happier since I started prioritizing this way. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 1:42:03 PM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Want me to maintain a standard, pay me to workout. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 1:46:35 PM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You can't out exercise your fork. 
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Posted: 6/16/2022 1:47:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those of you that complain here’s some more facts Physical fitness is just one requirement You also have to be 1 Not a druggie 2 Mentally stable 3 Able to handle stress 4 Not a criminal 5 Somewhat intelligent Now from there depts have to pick through the people that apply It’s not as dangerous as commercial fishing but it’s much harder on you mentally As someone already mentioned physical fitness standards are hard to enforce due to lawsuits and union rules An officer in Chesterfield near me died of a heart attack during a pt test. City council said no more pt tests. We get the police we want and want to pay for If you are physically fit and can meet the other standards go become a cop, some people find it rewarding The thing is you can absolutely attract candidates like that. Clean record, intelligent, physically fit, etc. But not with the pay most depts offer. Not even close. I exceed those requirements, but I’m not showing up to do that work for that pay. Apparently most that fit that bill aren’t showing up either. Now you’ve got depts primarily staffed by stupid fat morons. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 1:51:20 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve seen plenty of roided out cops who bust people for pot, anyone using steroids etc shouldn’t be allowed to be a LEO. You're thinking not natty? 
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Posted: 6/16/2022 2:02:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Most state agencies have a demanding test that must be passed every year in order to be eligible for promotion, or special assignment. Where I was: 1.5 mile run in under 13:00, or 500M swim in under 12:00. 32 push ups in 2 min 35 sit ups in 2 min It's hardly an NSW PST, but it applied to a boot who just graduated the academy, and a 54 year old LTC a year from retirement just the same. No scaling for age, no exemptions. If you didn't pass it, you got rescheduled. After three fails, you were basically persona non grata and your career stalled until you did pass it, if ever. That's pretty sad if folks actually have difficulty passing that. As a Gen X'er, I can easily smoke those standards in a row without needing a rest break. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 2:05:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's tough, I maintain a healthy standard but many don't. 12 hour shifts that rarely are less than 14 hours, only crap restaurants open over night. We are allowed to work out on duty when there is staffing. We have had that required number twice this month. I have a home gym and work out but manybguys have kids and lives that make it tough. Add to that stress, bad sleep, weird hours, and it is tough to stay physically fit. Getting home after 12 hours of dealing with the crap in society wants to handle isn't great motivation. Stress, sleep, and a consistent schedule are really overlooked by a lot of physical fitness programs. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 2:05:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryFunny story - that guy actually did get fired for being too fat. He was unable to stand up from a kneeling position as I recall. He sued and got his job back. 
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Posted: 6/16/2022 2:06:17 PM EST
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Posted: 6/16/2022 2:06:37 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You’re kind of slow huh? They’re using illegal drugs while busting people for drugs….try and keep up. I swear the IQ of the average GD denizen drops every year. Did you sample their urine or something? |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 2:08:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Our minimum standard in this state (we have one police academy ran by our state police for every department) are... -14:36 1.5 mile run -18 "properly" executed pushups in 60 seconds (Chest touching the Trooper Evaluators fist) - 28 "properly executed" sit ups in 60 seconds. Of course those are minimums and you get put in to percentiles for hiring if you're going to be a trooper for doing more. It is not super man stuff but you have to be in decent shape. State Police require a new one each time you test for a promotion. Some PDs and sheriffs do the same but not all. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: With all the coverage of shootings and police units lately, I'm starting to notice a common theme among law enforcement officers; the majority are over weight and out of shape. It would seem in that line of work, physical fitness would be a requirement for the job. Running would seems to be a job requirement along with carrying or removing a person from danger. Not trying to troll or slam LEO, just honestly curious if there is a standard to maintain and if anyone else has noticed this trend ? I know my buddies on the fire dept. have to pass a vigorous physical fitness standard every year. Our minimum standard in this state (we have one police academy ran by our state police for every department) are... -14:36 1.5 mile run -18 "properly" executed pushups in 60 seconds (Chest touching the Trooper Evaluators fist) - 28 "properly executed" sit ups in 60 seconds. Of course those are minimums and you get put in to percentiles for hiring if you're going to be a trooper for doing more. It is not super man stuff but you have to be in decent shape. State Police require a new one each time you test for a promotion. Some PDs and sheriffs do the same but not all. I wonder how they came up with 14:36? Seems kind of arbitrary. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 2:09:20 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Want me to maintain a standard, pay me to workout.  That's true. Taxpayers have to pay to get them dressed. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 2:10:52 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I always was told it was unions that prevent high fitness standards. But ive never seen a fat state trooper. We were talking about police work. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 2:13:45 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We were talking about police work. 
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Posted: 6/16/2022 2:14:12 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We were talking about police work. 
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Posted: 6/16/2022 2:23:18 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Funny story - that guy actually did get fired for being too fat. He was unable to stand up from a kneeling position as I recall. He sued and got his job back. Quote HistoryQuoted: Funny story - that guy actually did get fired for being too fat. He was unable to stand up from a kneeling position as I recall. He sued and got his job back. I recall at least one case (Christopher Parent) being on the National news.  Obese Officer Can't Perform On Test https://www.lsureveille.com/opinion/columnists/nietzsche-is-dead-obese-officers-firing-justified-not-discriminatory/article_534022c9-1194-5af0-af70-0a86b2d5898b.html |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 2:23:19 PM EST
[#31]
Like anything else, if you care enough you will find the time. I did 30 and wore the same belt size the whole time and my Beltman belt is in the same notch. The only thing I ever had to change was pant size when I power lifted-the waist had to be drawn up though.
Eat decent and stay away from the shit people eat is part of it. I hated being around others who were slobs. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 2:32:46 PM EST
[#32]
My department has one. Used it once, everyone passed, but it was easy. So they quit bc they had to give everyone an extra day off.
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Posted: 6/16/2022 2:35:26 PM EST
[#33]
I'd bet half of America's police force can't pass the female military standards.
The cops I've met from here have uniformly been in shape, some "model so" (I still have my autographed copy of Cops and Ammo  ), or at least reasonable. Is it me or everyone else that sees so many of the cops in the large urban departments way out-of-shape? Might be those are the ones that make the news the most or possibly they have a special unit for officers of size? I'd bet that the cops here, by a large majority, are the ones who give a damn, and that would include their physical abilities in a job that has the most shocking penalties for failing to be fit. I've known lots of service members cut from the same cloth, they workout not to meet some once-a-year-measurement (Schamaldfelt I'm looking at you and your 22" neck!) but because being in shape could one day mean the difference between live-and-death. Of themselves or another service member. Sometimes size matters. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 2:37:53 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think diversity status and pride affiliation are far more important Leo hiring criteria than physical fitness. Completely. The color of someones skin is their identity. All people of one color are the same. Liberalism has taught me this. Identity is character 100%. All white people are racist. See how easy that is? |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 2:39:45 PM EST
[#35]
Here, you have to pass the physical standards to get hired, you are never retested again.
To be fair to my local LE, they eat like shit because they don't have time on the job to eat a good meal. Most of the local cops I know drink a lot, once again to be fair, most in my town drink a lot. A lot of the fat fucks are faster and stronger than you think, I lost $50 thinking I could outrun one of my buddies. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 2:40:29 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They also have the *slight* benefit of being able to work out in between calls, all day long, right in their office. The average street cop lives out of a cruiser and goes from call to call, occasionally dropping by a shitty old office for five minutes to do some paperwork before running right back out the door. When you work a 12 hour shift, that routinely stretches out into 13, 14, or 15 hours, and don't get an actual break in there...how much time does that leave for exercise each day? Do you see why Fire might have fitness standards, and LE not? Particularly when 95% of LE calls require no physical interaction with anyone or anything other than a door handle, pen, and paper? Shit 105 hours a week is a lot. In the Navy I was doing 120 a week for years and didn't know you civilians approached those hours too. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 2:42:37 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You’re kind of slow huh? They’re using illegal drugs while busting people for drugs….try and keep up. I swear the IQ of the average GD denizen drops every year. Who says they're illegal ? Prescription steroids are no big deal. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 2:45:24 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ah, Schroedinger's cop - They're either fat, lazy, and stupid or roided-out, violent, rights violators. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I’ve seen plenty of roided out cops who bust people for pot, anyone using steroids etc shouldn’t be allowed to be a LEO. Ah, Schroedinger's cop - They're either fat, lazy, and stupid or roided-out, violent, rights violators. Apparently they're both while still at the station. But once you call 911, the waveform collapses and one or the other responds. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 2:50:05 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd bet half of America's police force can't pass the female military standards. To be fair if they were strictly enforced I'd be surprised if half of America's female military members could pass their standards... or drug tests. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 3:00:06 PM EST
[#40]
I have worked corrections for 14.5 years, I just moved to LEO. I start July 1. I work 16hrs shifts sometimes, Im up 24hrs when I do this. I still workout 8-10hrs a week. This a priority for me, stress and weight gain are real. If I slack at my age it will pile on quickly. I cannot allow that. for me it is not an occupational requirement it is a longevity and life requirement. The Kitchen is where the battle is truly fought, shift work means fast food if you are not prepared and prepped your food in advance, you will be in the drive thru.
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Posted: 6/16/2022 3:15:07 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder how they came up with 14:36? Seems kind of arbitrary. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: With all the coverage of shootings and police units lately, I'm starting to notice a common theme among law enforcement officers; the majority are over weight and out of shape. It would seem in that line of work, physical fitness would be a requirement for the job. Running would seems to be a job requirement along with carrying or removing a person from danger. Not trying to troll or slam LEO, just honestly curious if there is a standard to maintain and if anyone else has noticed this trend ? I know my buddies on the fire dept. have to pass a vigorous physical fitness standard every year. Our minimum standard in this state (we have one police academy ran by our state police for every department) are... -14:36 1.5 mile run -18 "properly" executed pushups in 60 seconds (Chest touching the Trooper Evaluators fist) - 28 "properly executed" sit ups in 60 seconds. Of course those are minimums and you get put in to percentiles for hiring if you're going to be a trooper for doing more. It is not super man stuff but you have to be in decent shape. State Police require a new one each time you test for a promotion. Some PDs and sheriffs do the same but not all. I wonder how they came up with 14:36? Seems kind of arbitrary. I'm sure it's a percentile cut off for some test population. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 3:25:48 PM EST
[#42]
In chicago it's, can you walking into a donut shop without taking time to catch your breath.
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Posted: 6/16/2022 3:41:45 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you sample their urine or something? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You’re kind of slow huh? They’re using illegal drugs while busting people for drugs….try and keep up. I swear the IQ of the average GD denizen drops every year. Did you sample their urine or something? You seem like you get it straight from the tap homie with your defensiveness about cops. Let’s be real, people can tell when it’s not natural, don’t be a moron. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 3:45:38 PM EST
[#44]
Ooo, disability ratings!
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Posted: 6/16/2022 3:48:49 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You seem like you get it straight from the tap homie with your defensiveness about cops. Let’s be real, people can tell when it’s not natural, don’t be a moron. You seem really angry. Personal experience with the roid rage? |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 3:49:23 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We were talking about police work. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I always was told it was unions that prevent high fitness standards. But ive never seen a fat state trooper. We were talking about police work. HAHA |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 3:50:44 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Funny story - that guy actually did get fired for being too fat. He was unable to stand up from a kneeling position as I recall. He sued and got his job back. I know. I believe that he later had a heart attack on the job too. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 3:55:31 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I know. I believe that he later had a heart attack on the job too. Wouldn't be surprising. Looks like the state suspended his LE cert back in 2011 for failing firearms qual. He died in 2020 at 64 yrs. old. I've only worked with one guy as big as he was. That guy wised up and had bariatric surgery. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 4:04:42 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wouldn't be surprising. Looks like the state suspended his LE cert back in 2011 for failing firearms qual. He died in 2020 at 64 yrs. old. I've only worked with one guy as big as he was. That guy wised up and had bariatric surgery. I didn't know that. Sounds like that guy should have been weeded out a lot sooner than he was. |
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Posted: 6/16/2022 4:15:44 PM EST
[#50]
I love all the GD standards they believe cops should meet.
The truth is, much like the military, there are not enough people available to do the job at desired staffing levels as it is. That includes a hiring pool of people who have been fired from other agencies for misconduct, idiots and incompetents, fat people and cowards. If you raise the physical, moral and educational standards the only result will be a 50/50 chance of crickets when you dial 911 or at best an hour plus response. It doesn't matter if you don't like it, that is the truth. Even someone who may suck at their job but will do the right thing most of the time is better than no one being there to do the job at all. Sucks, but it is what it is. |
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