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Posted: 7/4/2023 1:16:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BaconFat: So dots don't die with expensive plates? Or direct mount...is that what you believe? If the expensive plate fails and beats it to death, sure. |
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Posted: 7/4/2023 1:17:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BaconFat: Nope they get beat to death because of recoil by itself. It's OK to admit that dots die.. it's why people that shoot a lot have multiples It's ok to admit you cheaped out and ruined the dot. No one will think less of you. |
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Posted: 7/4/2023 1:38:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BaconFat: Nope they get beat to death because of recoil by itself. It's OK to admit that dots die.. it's why people that shoot a lot have multiples How many spare irons do you have? If you shoot a lot then you would know irons break. Spare pistols? Spare pistol parts? Rifles? Rifle parts? |
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Posted: 7/4/2023 1:40:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BaconFat]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sierra-def: How many spare irons do you have? If you shoot a lot then you would know irons break. Spare pistols? Spare pistol parts? Rifles? Rifle parts? Those all break at the range. Dots will work when you put them away, but be dead when you go get them. I prefer my stuff not to crap out while just sitting in the safe. |
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Posted: 7/4/2023 2:05:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BaconFat: Those all break at the range. Dots will work when you put them away, but be dead when you go get them. I prefer my stuff not to crap out while just sitting in the safe. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BaconFat: Originally Posted By sierra-def: How many spare irons do you have? If you shoot a lot then you would know irons break. Spare pistols? Spare pistol parts? Rifles? Rifle parts? Those all break at the range. Dots will work when you put them away, but be dead when you go get them. I prefer my stuff not to crap out while just sitting in the safe. I daily carry a RMR, not dead. |
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Posted: 7/4/2023 2:10:35 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BaconFat: Those all break at the range. Dots will work when you put them away, but be dead when you go get them. I prefer my stuff not to crap out while just sitting in the safe. 
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Posted: 7/4/2023 2:13:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sierra-def: I daily carry a RMR, not dead. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sierra-def: Originally Posted By BaconFat: Originally Posted By sierra-def: How many spare irons do you have? If you shoot a lot then you would know irons break. Spare pistols? Spare pistol parts? Rifles? Rifle parts? Those all break at the range. Dots will work when you put them away, but be dead when you go get them. I prefer my stuff not to crap out while just sitting in the safe. I daily carry a RMR, not dead. As do I, or at least an SRO. As it’s an EDC, I check it daily. As it’s the firearm I spend most of my range time on, it gets checked most frequently. I like to crank mine up and use the lock out feature and as such, the battery definitely needs to be replaced more frequently (already BT/DT) and I have no problem with it since my preference(s) necessitate it. If I find a dead batt in a stored electro-optic, I replace the batt; that’s not an issue. It was stored and to be expected; again, replace the batt and not an issue. |
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Posted: 7/4/2023 2:16:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BaconFat: So dots don't die with expensive plates? Or direct mount...is that what you believe? The chance of a failure is exponentially reduced when they are held securely by a high quality plate or direct mount. |
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Posted: 7/4/2023 2:18:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BaconFat: So dots don't die with expensive plates? Or direct mount...is that what you believe? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BaconFat: Originally Posted By AK-12: It was murdered...by your shit tier mounting plate So dots don't die with expensive plates? Or direct mount...is that what you believe? So the fact that the shitty plate had its lugs sheared off isn’t a clear indication that the dot was getting beat up? Is that what you believe? |
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Posted: 7/4/2023 2:28:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25: So the fact that the shitty plate had its lugs sheared off isn’t a clear indication that the dot was getting beat up? Is that what you believe? The lugs might have been pressed out and not sheared. The screws were tight when I removed it. Either way, it was working when it was put away. Dead when I got it out. You don't have those issues with irons |
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Posted: 7/4/2023 2:38:33 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BaconFat: Nope they get beat to death because of recoil by itself. It's OK to admit that dots die.. it's why people that shoot a lot have multiples Lol |
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Posted: 7/4/2023 2:41:15 PM EDT
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Oh for fuck’s sake
 Just fuckin stop it |
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Posted: 7/4/2023 3:01:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BaconFat: The lugs might have been pressed out and not sheared. The screws were tight when I removed it. Either way, it was working when it was put away. Dead when I got it out. You don't have those issues with irons So broken recoil lugs mitigate g forces as well as intact recoil lugs? Interesting. |
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Posted: 7/4/2023 3:09:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BaconFat: So dots don't die with expensive plates? Or direct mount...is that what you believe? It's not so black and white. Do direct mounted red dots fail? Absolutely. Did you hasten the demise of yours with that shit tier mounting plate? Most likely. |
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Posted: 7/4/2023 3:14:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Redbirdxx: It's not so black and white. Do direct mounted red dots fail? Absolutely. Did you hasten the demise of yours with that shit tier mounting plate? Most likely. Exactly it's not black and white. If the dot was loose and it failed while shooting then it would be. |
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Posted: 7/4/2023 3:24:25 PM EDT
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Curious, are you arguing that the sheared lugs had nothing to do with the failure because it didn't fail while in use?
It obviously can't be stated absolutely that the sheared lugs caused the failure, but if that were my gun and I took the dot off and found that plate, my assumption would be "oh, there's the issue". You seem to be arguing the failure of the plate and the failure of the dot are unrelated. |
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Posted: 7/4/2023 3:29:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/4/2023 3:37:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lilMAC25]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BaconFat: The lugs might have been pressed out and not sheared. The screws were tight when I removed it. Either way, it was working when it was put away. Dead when I got it out. You don't have those issues with irons Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BaconFat: Originally Posted By lilMAC25: So the fact that the shitty plate had its lugs sheared off isn’t a clear indication that the dot was getting beat up? Is that what you believe? The lugs might have been pressed out and not sheared. The screws were tight when I removed it. Either way, it was working when it was put away. Dead when I got it out. You don't have those issues with irons HASSLE ETA: people have certainly pulled their firearm out of the safe and noticed that it’s missing a sight or that it’s irons are no longer properly zeroed. |
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Posted: 7/4/2023 3:50:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BaconFat]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25: HASSLE ETA: people have certainly pulled their firearm out of the safe and noticed that it’s missing a sight or that it’s irons are no longer properly zeroed. Lol. How the fuck would irons be OK on your last shot, then be missing when you take it out of the safe...gremlins? I mean, really. WTF |
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Posted: 7/4/2023 3:52:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BaconFat: Exactly it's not black and white. If the dot was loose and it failed while shooting then it would be. You admit it wasn't holding zero, and the plate is trashed. Pretty basic stuff here. |
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Posted: 7/4/2023 8:27:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BaconFat: Lol. How the fuck would irons be OK on your last shot, then be missing when you take it out of the safe...gremlins? I mean, really. WTF Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BaconFat: Originally Posted By lilMAC25: HASSLE ETA: people have certainly pulled their firearm out of the safe and noticed that it’s missing a sight or that it’s irons are no longer properly zeroed. Lol. How the fuck would irons be OK on your last shot, then be missing when you take it out of the safe...gremlins? I mean, really. WTF Bump it going in. Irons not tight (whether dovetail or on a rail). Bump it going out of safe. Soft plastic sights that were cracking an unnoticed, that fell off in the safe. All of those (and many other scenarios) are less far fetched than your RDS failing concurrently with yet independently of your harbor freight budget brand optic plate. |
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Posted: 7/4/2023 10:27:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25: Bump it going in. Irons not tight (whether dovetail or on a rail). Bump it going out of safe. Soft plastic sights that were cracking an unnoticed, that fell off in the safe. All of those (and many other scenarios) are less far fetched than your RDS failing concurrently with yet independently of your harbor freight budget brand optic plate. If this is what you need to make up so you can feel good about your chinese dot, go for it.... Irons breaking when you bump them against a safe....and you call my stuff Harbor freight...LOL |
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Posted: 7/4/2023 10:36:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BaconFat: If this is what you need to make up so you can feel good about your chinese dot, go for it.... Irons breaking when you bump them against a safe....and you call my stuff Harbor freight...LOL Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BaconFat: Originally Posted By lilMAC25: Bump it going in. Irons not tight (whether dovetail or on a rail). Bump it going out of safe. Soft plastic sights that were cracking an unnoticed, that fell off in the safe. All of those (and many other scenarios) are less far fetched than your RDS failing concurrently with yet independently of your harbor freight budget brand optic plate. If this is what you need to make up so you can feel good about your chinese dot, go for it.... Irons breaking when you bump them against a safe....and you call my stuff Harbor freight...LOL They stay in your safe when it is on you? |
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Posted: 7/4/2023 10:36:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BaconFat: If this is what you need to make up so you can feel good about your chinese dot, go for it.... Irons breaking when you bump them against a safe....and you call my stuff Harbor freight...LOL That’s a pretty good description of that plate, through. |
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Posted: 7/4/2023 10:41:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 45-Seventy: That’s a pretty good description of that plate, through. Well, mine broke while shooting it, so if it is harbor freight, what is an iron sight that breaks when you bump it into a safe.....its make believe.... cause it doesn't happen/ He's just making shit up to feel better about his chinese dots. |
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Posted: 7/4/2023 11:02:29 PM EDT
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Spent nearly 10 minutes filling out the Holo warranty form.
Spent another 10 minutes packaging it up. Says the wait is 30 days, and maybe I get another same optic out of the deal. #HASSLE |
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Posted: 7/4/2023 11:11:04 PM EDT
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riding this puppy all the way
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Posted: 7/4/2023 11:12:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bandanabandit1: riding this puppy all the way I'm confident it will hit 100 pages |
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Posted: 7/5/2023 12:49:05 AM EDT
[#29]
My 19x slide is off to Battlewerx tomorrow for their MOS cut. I've had a SCS sitting in the safe for a while now while I waited on a deal.
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Posted: 7/5/2023 12:14:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BMSMB]
[#30]
Has Trijicon made any announcements that they are releasing an enclosed emitter slide ride?
I'm thinking it's about time I bring my P-01 up to par... |
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Posted: 7/5/2023 3:35:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BaconFat: If this is what you need to make up so you can feel good about your chinese dot, go for it.... Irons breaking when you bump them against a safe....and you call my stuff Harbor freight...LOL Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BaconFat: Originally Posted By lilMAC25: Bump it going in. Irons not tight (whether dovetail or on a rail). Bump it going out of safe. Soft plastic sights that were cracking an unnoticed, that fell off in the safe. All of those (and many other scenarios) are less far fetched than your RDS failing concurrently with yet independently of your harbor freight budget brand optic plate. If this is what you need to make up so you can feel good about your chinese dot, go for it.... Irons breaking when you bump them against a safe....and you call my stuff Harbor freight...LOL $17 dollar plate fails, and you insist that had nothing to do with the dot failing? That logic is lower tier than that shitty plate you bought. |
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Posted: 7/5/2023 3:36:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BaconFat: Well, mine broke while shooting it, so if it is harbor freight, what is an iron sight that breaks when you bump it into a safe.....its make believe.... cause it doesn't happen/ He's just making shit up to feel better about his chinese dots. I’ve bent front sights on M4s getting into/out of vehicles. Never damaged an Aimpoint like that. |
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Posted: 7/5/2023 3:43:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BMSMB: Has Trijicon made any announcements that they are releasing an enclosed emitter slide ride? I'm thinking it's about time I bring my P-01 up to par... People need to stop settling for RMRs and compel them to innovate past 2005 technologies first. |
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Posted: 7/5/2023 3:51:13 PM EDT
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I keep coming back to this thread like a battered
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Posted: 7/5/2023 3:53:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades: People need to stop settling for RMRs and compel them to innovate past 2005 technologies first. I'm not settling for an RMR, I'm trying to see if anything is on the horizon before going with an EPS |
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Posted: 7/5/2023 4:43:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BMSMB: I'm not settling for an RMR, I'm trying to see if anything is on the horizon before going with an EPS Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BMSMB: Originally Posted By Mblades: People need to stop settling for RMRs and compel them to innovate past 2005 technologies first. I'm not settling for an RMR, I'm trying to see if anything is on the horizon before going with an EPS I know triji has something in the works, but that could be days or years. But they need a closed emitter RMR or they are going to fail to get major contracts. |
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Posted: 7/5/2023 5:00:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 45-Seventy: I’ve bent front sights on M4s getting into/out of vehicles. Never damaged an Aimpoint like that. You use your vehicle as a safe? That's weird. Oh thats right, just another strawman argument from you. I broke an Aimpoint shooting, but never irons on a rifle....so what does that mean....nothing, just like your anecdote. |
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Posted: 7/5/2023 5:07:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BaconFat]
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25: $17 dollar plate fails, and you insist that had nothing to do with the dot failing? That logic is lower tier than that shitty plate you bought. Would it be more retarded than banging your sights against your safe until they fall off?  |
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Posted: 7/5/2023 5:30:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BMSMB: Has Trijicon made any announcements that they are releasing an enclosed emitter slide ride? I'm thinking it's about time I bring my P-01 up to par... |
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Posted: 7/5/2023 6:24:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BaconFat: Would it be more retarded than banging your sights against your safe until they fall off? https://i.imgur.com/Ik8Wujb.png Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BaconFat: Originally Posted By lilMAC25: $17 dollar plate fails, and you insist that had nothing to do with the dot failing? That logic is lower tier than that shitty plate you bought. Would it be more retarded than banging your sights against your safe until they fall off? https://i.imgur.com/Ik8Wujb.png 
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Posted: 7/5/2023 6:44:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SIASL]
[#41]
Why do some insist Trijicon is behind? They basically got it right from the start (as far as open emitters go). They made the most durable MRDS and have made incremental improvements on it as time has gone by. I do agree they will need to bring to market a closed emitter at some point (and soon) but to say they’re behind the curve is a bit narrow considered they made the curve what it is.
ETA: That they do not release a MRDS with a built in can opener a calculator reticle or some such bullshit isn’t a bad thing. They make a solid MRDS. Again, I do agree they will need to bring to market a closed emitter (and soon), that being the next plateau. |
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Posted: 7/5/2023 10:12:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades: People need to stop settling for RMRs and compel them to innovate past 2005 technologies first. Crap, bought a RMR yesterday. I just couldn't help myself. |
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Posted: 7/5/2023 10:14:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BaconFat: You use your vehicle as a safe? That's weird. Oh thats right, just another strawman argument from you. I broke an Aimpoint shooting, but never irons on a rifle....so what does that mean....nothing, just like your anecdote. We might need you to post pictures to back up your claim. Need a note in the picture that says BaconFat loves irons. |
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Posted: 7/5/2023 10:30:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BMSMB: I'm confident it will hit 100 pages Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BMSMB: Originally Posted By bandanabandit1: riding this puppy all the way I'm confident it will hit 100 pages |
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Posted: 7/5/2023 10:45:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FivespeedF150: One poster is certainly stringing the others along. I'm definitely doing my part Besides the EPS, what other enclosed emitters are worth checking out? |
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Posted: 7/6/2023 12:43:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BMSMB: I'm definitely doing my part Besides the EPS, what other enclosed emitters are worth checking out? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BMSMB: Originally Posted By FivespeedF150: One poster is certainly stringing the others along. I'm definitely doing my part Besides the EPS, what other enclosed emitters are worth checking out? I only have a few hundred rounds behind it, but the 509T is pretty nice so far. |
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Posted: 7/6/2023 5:35:25 AM EDT
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Back when red dots on rifles were becoming popular, were there this many window lickers and booger eaters trying to deny their efficacy?
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Posted: 7/6/2023 7:15:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By triburst1: Back when red dots on rifles were becoming popular, were there this many window lickers and booger eaters trying to deny their efficacy? Yes Using the same arguments |
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Posted: 7/6/2023 7:26:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: I only have a few hundred rounds behind it, but the 509T is pretty nice so far. I have two 509T and they are fantastic. No issues. I didnt think I would like the EPS more, but I do. |
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Posted: 7/6/2023 7:41:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Castillo: Yes Using the same arguments Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Castillo: Originally Posted By triburst1: Back when red dots on rifles were becoming popular, were there this many window lickers and booger eaters trying to deny their efficacy? Yes Using the same arguments Huh. I guess none of the 30 years of proven use in combat to gain acceptance on rifles translates when you move them to pistols. |
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