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Posted: 9/3/2023 7:42:12 AM EDT
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Do any of you run non-blacked out suppressor sights with a red dot? I have some white ring sights and wondering if they'd be distracting with a dot..
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Posted: 9/3/2023 7:44:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bandanabandit1: Do any of you run non-blacked out suppressor sights with a red dot? I have some white ring sights and wondering if they'd be distracting with a dot.. The only irons I find distracting are night sights when shooting through night vision. But that's what electrical tape is for. |
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Posted: 9/3/2023 8:23:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bandanabandit1: Do any of you run non-blacked out suppressor sights with a red dot? I have some white ring sights and wondering if they'd be distracting with a dot.. I have night fission sights and a 507c on a G19 sized P80 but I haven’t shot it much. Dry firing and the shooting I have done with it I didn’t find the sights distracting at all. With the dot your focus is on the target, so the sights are just a little blurry blob in the foreground. Sights the same color as the dot would not be ideal though. |
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Posted: 9/3/2023 11:10:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bandanabandit1: Do any of you run non-blacked out suppressor sights with a red dot? I have some white ring sights and wondering if they'd be distracting with a dot.. Permanent marker or black nail polish could fix that. |
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Posted: 9/3/2023 11:51:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: sparky-kb]
[#5]
Anyone got a good training technique for dialing in the presentation?
I'm new to pistol dots and have been working on presentation for a couple of weeks. I'm to the point that 95% of the time the dot is in the window and on target when I draw. The other 5% is what keeps me from carrying it yet. I have to make a conscious effort to do everything right. Does it ever become completely natural feeling? With irons I draw and it's just on target. I'm assuming that's because the eyes see the irons as they are coming into view and are aligned without thought as they move to the target. It aso seems that I need to put at least 5 or 10 reps in at the start of the day because my first few are usually off. Most of the time the dot is slightly out of the window to the 12 o'clock if it's "missing" unless my grip is jacked up. Just keep doing what I'm doing or does anyone have some drills/reading/videos that would help me out? |
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Posted: 9/3/2023 12:17:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Hrd2thecore]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sparky-kb: Anyone got a good training technique for dialing in the presentation? I'm new to pistol dots and have been working on presentation for a couple of weeks. I'm to the point that 95% of the time the dot is in the window and on target when I draw. The other 5% is what keeps me from carrying it yet. I have to make a conscious effort to do everything right. Does it ever become completely natural feeling? With irons I draw and it's just on target. I'm assuming that's because the eyes see the irons as they are coming into view and are aligned without thought as they move to the target. Also seems that I need to put at least 5 or 10 reps in at the start of the day because my first few are usually off. Most of the time the dot is slightly out of the window to the 12 o'clock if it's "missing" unless my grip is jacked up. Just keep doing what I'm doing or does anyone have some drills/reading/videos that would help me out? I would recommend warming up your dry fire practice with an isometric exercise where you align your dot with the target and hold with a good muscle contraction of all your supporting muscles for a slow ten count and then reholster. I repeat for 5 reps before I really begin. You are working on building muscle memory. This also strengthens all your grip and recoil control muscle groups as well. In the beginning it's also good to go at a quarter or third speed of normal and work on smooth movements free of unnecessary travel. I will start with a generous par time and shave off 2 tenths every 5 or 10 reps until I get to my current full speed draw. edited to add: if you are on target with irons try holding your head fully upright if you aren't already, your weapon is likely close to alignment as is. |
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Posted: 9/3/2023 12:34:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hrd2thecore: I would recommend warming up your dry fire practice with an isometric exercise where you align your dot with the target and hold with a good muscle contraction of all your supporting muscles for a slow ten count and then reholster. I repeat for 5 reps before I really begin. You are working on building muscle memory. This also strengthens all your grip and recoil control muscle groups as well. In the beginning it's also good to go at a quarter or third speed of normal and work on smooth movements free of unnecessary travel. I will start with a generous par time and shave off 2 tenths every 5 or 10 reps until I get to my current full speed draw. edited to add: if you are on target with irons try holding your head fully upright if you aren't already, your weapon is likely close to alignment as is. Thanks! |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 11:11:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/6/2023 1:46:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryYa, I want one. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 9/6/2023 2:21:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sparky-kb: Anyone got a good training technique for dialing in the presentation? The irons aren't as perfect as they appear, it's just harder to see the alignment errors because they aren't glowing in front of you. As for practice, tape the lens with painters tape. It'll force you to focus on the target instead of hunting for the dot like you're used to doing with the irons. You can still shoot with the lens taped, accurately, just helps your brain get out of its own way in the beginning. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 5:24:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NorCalRT: Ya, I want one. Fuck it. I’m ordering one for my DWX. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 5:45:11 PM EDT
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Sweeet Jeezus did I just have a "well DUh you DuMbass!" moment.
I have been "training" myself on this carry dot sight for about a month. I probably would have sped my learning curve up had I sought proper training, but I didn't. I have been drawing and dry firing dozens of times a day, getting to the range for the same drill with live fire 2-3 times a week, and doing ok....I would still have the moment of not being able to find the dot, once in awahile, especially when going fast. Today I was at the range, drawing on Steel Challenge Smoke and Hope stage. Just me, not a competion. I had a couple "where is the fucking dot?" moments, when it struck me that if I quit worrying about the dot, and raise the pistol like I always do, putting front and rear sight kind of in my unfocused vision......THE DOT WILL BE RIGHT THERE! CO-WITNESS IS A THING! Lesson: Don't overthink it.  |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 5:52:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SIASL]
[#13]
Quote HistoryThat 55 MOA (55, 58…???) ring isn’t that big…pleasant surprise. A very pleasant surprise. Actually resembles a big, fat hairy dot but without the hair. ETA: I’m almost thinking “gimme dat”.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 6:04:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SIASL: That 55 MOA (55, 58…???) ring isn’t that big…pleasant surprise. A very pleasant surprise. Actually resembles a big, fat hairy dot but without the hair. ETA: I’m almost thinking “gimme dat”. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/384478/IMG_5961_jpeg-2944990.JPG Looks very promising |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 6:21:27 PM EDT
[#15]
Who has the best deal on the RMR HD right now?
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Posted: 9/6/2023 8:55:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TradWoodsman: Sweeet Jeezus did I just have a "well DUh you DuMbass!" moment. I have been "training" myself on this carry dot sight for about a month. I probably would have sped my learning curve up had I sought proper training, but I didn't. I have been drawing and dry firing dozens of times a day, getting to the range for the same drill with live fire 2-3 times a week, and doing ok....I would still have the moment of not being able to find the dot, once in awahile, especially when going fast. Today I was at the range, drawing on Steel Challenge Smoke and Hope stage. Just me, not a competion. I had a couple "where is the fucking dot?" moments, when it struck me that if I quit worrying about the dot, and raise the pistol like I always do, putting front and rear sight kind of in my unfocused vision......THE DOT WILL BE RIGHT THERE! CO-WITNESS IS A THING! Lesson: Don't overthink it. …So what you’re saying is 
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Posted: 9/6/2023 10:34:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TradWoodsman]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rudukai13: …So what you’re saying is https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/414849/690297C5-5432-4799-8B5F-1967BF434ABB-2916765.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rudukai13: Originally Posted By TradWoodsman: Sweeet Jeezus did I just have a "well DUh you DuMbass!" moment. I have been "training" myself on this carry dot sight for about a month. I probably would have sped my learning curve up had I sought proper training, but I didn't. I have been drawing and dry firing dozens of times a day, getting to the range for the same drill with live fire 2-3 times a week, and doing ok....I would still have the moment of not being able to find the dot, once in awahile, especially when going fast. Today I was at the range, drawing on Steel Challenge Smoke and Hope stage. Just me, not a competion. I had a couple "where is the fucking dot?" moments, when it struck me that if I quit worrying about the dot, and raise the pistol like I always do, putting front and rear sight kind of in my unfocused vision......THE DOT WILL BE RIGHT THERE! CO-WITNESS IS A THING! Lesson: Don't overthink it. …So what you’re saying is https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/414849/690297C5-5432-4799-8B5F-1967BF434ABB-2916765.jpg Not really……that seems like an Airsoft Optic... |
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Posted: 9/7/2023 6:23:03 PM EDT
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See this BS? Avoid…
 Attached FileLook for this instead…  Attached FileThen stack deep…  Attached FileThought I was buying one thing when it turned out it was some BS. Maybe I’m weird but I can’t trust the chemistry when someone’s know to be willing to completely cheapen a product over tenths or hundredths of a cent. |
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Posted: 9/7/2023 8:38:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SIASL: See this BS? Avoid… https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/384478/IMG_5962_jpeg-2946066.JPG Look for this instead… https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/384478/IMG_5963_jpeg-2946056.JPG Then stack deep… https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/384478/IMG_5964_jpeg-2946063.JPG Thought I was buying one thing when it turned out it was some BS. Maybe I’m weird but I can’t trust the chemistry when someone’s know to be willing to completely cheapen a product over tenths or hundredths of a cent. This is a prime example of avoiding and not buying China.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/8/2023 9:36:01 AM EDT
[#20]
Wow, batteries from Japan...impressive
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Posted: 9/8/2023 11:01:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BaconFat: Wow, batteries from Japan...impressive Stank you |
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Posted: 9/8/2023 11:02:37 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BaconFat: Wow, batteries from Japan...impressive Right... American made or GTFO! Only the best for my China dot 
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Posted: 9/8/2023 11:21:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BaconFat: Wow, batteries from Japan...impressive It's only impressive if you overnight them. |
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Posted: 9/8/2023 9:52:41 PM EDT
[#24]
Thread needs more pictures.
Just moved a 509t from my G34 to a G20 to have an enclosed emitter for a woods gun. G34 got upgraded with a SRO mounted using a FCD plate and a BROS. Need to find the correct size irons for both of anyone knows.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 9/9/2023 9:53:11 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/9/2023 10:51:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BaconFat]
[#26]
For Duty Use, he really should test to see if the emitter will get clogged from eating powdered donuts.
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Posted: 9/9/2023 12:17:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BaconFat: For Duty Use, he really should test to see if the emitter will get clogged from eating powdered donuts. That's the most legit open emitter concern I've heard of yet. |
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Posted: 9/9/2023 12:28:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BaconFat: For Duty Use, he really should test to see if the emitter will get clogged from eating powdered donuts. Only if he follows it up with a corrective action coffee wash |
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Posted: 9/11/2023 1:02:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SIASL: See this BS? Avoid… https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/384478/IMG_5962_jpeg-2946066.JPG Look for this instead… https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/384478/IMG_5963_jpeg-2946056.JPG Then stack deep… https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/384478/IMG_5964_jpeg-2946063.JPG Thought I was buying one thing when it turned out it was some BS. Maybe I’m weird but I can’t trust the chemistry when someone’s know to be willing to completely cheapen a product over tenths or hundredths of a cent. I just picked up some amazon basics batteries, based on the reviews they seem to work well (if the reviews are even real reviews). Hopefully they work as well as yours.
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Posted: 9/11/2023 1:08:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bandanabandit1: I just picked up some amazon basics batteries, based on the reviews they seem to work well (if the reviews are even real reviews). Hopefully they work as well as yours. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bandanabandit1: Originally Posted By SIASL: See this BS? Avoid… https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/384478/IMG_5962_jpeg-2946066.JPG Look for this instead… https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/384478/IMG_5963_jpeg-2946056.JPG Then stack deep… https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/384478/IMG_5964_jpeg-2946063.JPG Thought I was buying one thing when it turned out it was some BS. Maybe I’m weird but I can’t trust the chemistry when someone’s know to be willing to completely cheapen a product over tenths or hundredths of a cent. I just picked up some amazon basics batteries, based on the reviews they seem to work well (if the reviews are even real reviews). Hopefully they work as well as yours. I just thought it a worthwhile PSA. I readily trust Japanese QC and standards over chicom any day of the week. This is not to say chicom can't produce a good product, just that a company who would contract a chicom manufacturing facility must be extremely vigilant when working with them. |
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Posted: 9/11/2023 6:38:15 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryGlad i went with a 508T 
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Posted: 9/11/2023 10:34:54 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Castrolr1: Glad i went with a 508T Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Castrolr1: Glad i went with a 508T 
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Posted: 9/12/2023 4:52:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/13/2023 1:39:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Rudukai13]
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sierra-def: On sale right now for $420.69 :format(gif)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/66992451/Niccce.0.gif)
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Posted: 9/16/2023 10:41:42 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryDo want |
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Posted: 9/16/2023 2:33:09 PM EDT
[#36]
My friends Sig Equinox in 45 might edge out the accuracy of the FN, but damn the balance with the can just make it a dream to shoot.
FN FNX45 with Rugged Obsidian45, RMR Ruger MKIII with Q's El Camino, PA's micro dot on a Madd Macs mount. G19.2 with Dagger slide with Sico Omega9k, RMR P80/17 unknown side with YHM R9, PA dot They are fun as hell to shoot.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 6:50:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chevellemrwl: My friends Sig Equinox in 45 might edge out the accuracy of the FN, but damn the balance with the can just make it a dream to shoot. FN FNX45 with Rugged Obsidian45, RMR Ruger MKIII with Q's El Camino, PA's micro dot on a Madd Macs mount. G19.2 with Dagger slide with Sico Omega9k, RMR P80/17 unknown side with YHM R9, PA dot They are fun as hell to shoot. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/268974/20230916_112621_jpg-2956005.JPG Suppress ALL the things 
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Posted: 9/23/2023 12:13:51 PM EDT
[#38]
When are we getting this thing to 100?
Need some new stupid takes to really get it rolling... Where do yall like to carry? IWB/OWB appendix/SOB/3/4/5? |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 12:18:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BMSMB: When are we getting this thing to 100? Need some new stupid takes to really get it rolling... Where do yall like to carry? IWB/OWB appendix/SOB/3/4/5? SOB, condition 3 with 3 spare batteries and 3 spare magazines. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 12:22:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: SOB, condition 3 with 3 spare batteries and 3 spare magazines. Can't take any chances with an ND... gun can't go boom if no round in chamber! |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 12:28:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BMSMB: Can't take any chances with an ND... gun can't go boom if no round in chamber!  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 12:43:25 PM EDT
[#42]
I like to carry at the 9 o'clock.. but with a right handed holster.
Cross draw is the way. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 12:44:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BMSMB: I like to carry at the 9 o'clock.. but with a right handed holster. Cross draw is the way. Dual-wielding 1911s in a shoulder holster is Tier 1 |
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Posted: 9/24/2023 12:25:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: Dual-wielding 1911s in a shoulder holster is Tier 1 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: Originally Posted By BMSMB: I like to carry at the 9 o'clock.. but with a right handed holster. Cross draw is the way. Dual-wielding 1911s in a shoulder holster is Tier 1 Dual-wielding small of back is the pinnacle of spitting distance fighting. 
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Posted: 9/24/2023 12:29:08 AM EDT
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I think my next purchase will be a S&W 22WMR with a Riton X3 MPRD2 w/ shake awake. Flame away!
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Posted: 9/24/2023 7:58:22 AM EDT
[#46]
I wanted to try a dot on my carry gun. I've put a few hundred rounds through it and I won't be going back. I wanted the optic as far back as possible because I carry the gun low AIWB. The optic sits on top of my belt and I don't notice a difference between carrying with or without the optic.
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Posted: 9/24/2023 9:01:42 AM EDT
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Had to send one of my two 507Ks back to Holosun yesterday for killing brand new energizer batteries every 8-12 weeks.
So far the return has gone smoothly. |
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Posted: 9/24/2023 9:02:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: Dual-wielding small of back is the pinnacle of spitting distance fighting. https://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/2/24/FO-Gold1911s-1.jpg/600px-FO-Gold1911s-1.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: Originally Posted By 11boomboom: Originally Posted By BMSMB: I like to carry at the 9 o'clock.. but with a right handed holster. Cross draw is the way. Dual-wielding 1911s in a shoulder holster is Tier 1 Dual-wielding small of back is the pinnacle of spitting distance fighting. https://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/2/24/FO-Gold1911s-1.jpg/600px-FO-Gold1911s-1.jpg Had a guy show up to a basic pistol class with a setup like this. 
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Posted: 9/24/2023 9:45:26 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sparky-kb: Anyone got a good training technique for dialing in the presentation? I'm new to pistol dots and have been working on presentation for a couple of weeks. I'm to the point that 95% of the time the dot is in the window and on target when I draw. The other 5% is what keeps me from carrying it yet. I have to make a conscious effort to do everything right. Does it ever become completely natural feeling? With irons I draw and it's just on target. I'm assuming that's because the eyes see the irons as they are coming into view and are aligned without thought as they move to the target. It aso seems that I need to put at least 5 or 10 reps in at the start of the day because my first few are usually off. Most of the time the dot is slightly out of the window to the 12 o'clock if it's "missing" unless my grip is jacked up. Just keep doing what I'm doing or does anyone have some drills/reading/videos that would help me out? Modern Samurai Project |
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Posted: 9/24/2023 10:01:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By treasurediver: Took mine out to the range again today and ran some drills. I’m shooting a steel challenge match with it on Sunday so I did a lot of draw and shoot on multiple steel targets with a timer as well as some transition drills with my carbine on cardboard. At the end of the session I walked back to the bench and used the bench to rest the pistol and at a measured 43 yards proceeded to put three shots in the head of a USPSA target. There is no way I could do that with irons. Just to review my previous post. GLOCK 19.4 with a Wager Machine Acro cut with forward set rear sight running a Steiner MPS. Stock trigger and barrel. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/256972/F2A7A372-7402-47D1-8AEA-2D80C1CB0CD1_jpe-2877217.JPG @treasurediver How has the Steiner held up so far? |
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