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5/5/2026 8:07:11 PM EDT
Religious leaders told 'prepare now' for UFO disclosure to unleash Bible-changing revelations
https://www.dailymail.com/sciencetech/article-15792747/religious-leaders-ufo-disclosure-bible.html

Influential pastors are claiming that they have been told to prepare their followers for shocking revelations about UFOs which may upend belief in the Bible.

Perry Stone, a well-known evangelist, author and Bible teacher from Tennessee, warned that fellow pastors were recently invited to a secret meeting with US intelligence officials to prepare for the release of secret files on extraterrestrials.

According to Stone, the officials warned a small group of pastors with a large reach in the Christian community that the government was about to release reports and possibly videos of aliens and spacecraft which were not from this planet.

In the April 27 video posted to his YouTube channel, the evangelist claimed that pastors were told about the existence of 'reptilian' creatures, UFOs and materials from a non-human origin and 'other things that almost sound like something out of a sci-fi movie.'

On February 19, President Trump ordered the Pentagon and Secretary of War Pete Hegseth to release all information the government possesses regarding UFOs and alien life.

Last week, Trump said that the first files would be released 'very, very soon' and would contain some 'very interesting' things for the public.

However, officials in this secret meeting allegedly said the information on its way may cause some Christians to question how the universe was created and even lose faith in religion.

Stone said: 'You're going to have people who are going to say if there are galaxies and there are allegedly other creations in the galaxies, then the whole creation story is a myth, and you're going to have people that's going to apostatize and turn from the Christian faith because they have no answer for what they're about to hear.'

Stone also claimed government officials warned these religious leaders that non-Christians might panic and turn to churches for answers.

'They're going to freak out and they're going to come to pastors, ministers, and teachers and say, "What is this? Is this really real?"'

This reported meeting involved approximately six Christian leaders, including Bishop Alan DiDio of the Revival Nation Church, who confirmed that he was a part of the extraordinary gathering.

DiDio said: 'It seems like a half a dozen people were gathered in an Airbnb in the mountains of Tennessee discussing an investigation that's going on in the United States government against crimes they have committed in the process of retrieving and reverse engineering um technology from non-human intelligence.'

'The meeting also went forward to discuss the propaganda plan that was in place leading up to disclosure,' the pastor added in a March 7 livestream on YouTube.

Another reported attendee, American evangelist and podcaster Tony Merkel, added that the government officials who held the meeting expressed concerns about the impact of UFO disclosure on organized religion.

Merkel said: 'I came in contact with these guys more than a year ago now, and I've been in touch with them, communicating with them, and their heart is to prepare the body of Christ for what's coming.

'These guys are part of, let's just say they're Christians in intelligence operations and they are specifically geared towards, initially, it was to gather evidence and data on what's actually going on behind the scenes within the disclosure community.'

The three pastors also warned that when the US government finally releases the historic report about UFOs and extraterrestrials, it will not just be surprising news, they believe it will be part of a plot designed to pull people away from faith in Jesus.

The men compared it to what the Bible calls the 'great deception' in end times prophecies.
5/5/2026 8:21:18 PM EDT
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5/5/2026 8:27:05 PM EDT
[#3]
Now with more political fatigue.
5/5/2026 8:27:39 PM EDT
[#4]
Meh. Won't budge my beliefs an inch. "I have sheep in other flocks" has an interpretation by Bible scholars, and I've read a lot of them, that I remain unconvinced by.

Biblical references to demons can be applied in some cases equally to spiritual demons and aliens who appear like what we would think demons would look like.

If a gray knocked on my door tomorrow and wanted to chit chat, I'd get around to asking him if he knows Jesus after I got done with all the big physics questions.
5/5/2026 8:30:58 PM EDT
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That is quite interesting.

Faith changes will be glacial in pace.
“How strange it is that man on earth should roam,
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
5/5/2026 8:32:41 PM EDT
[#6]
Yeah yeah. Nothing to see with the Epstein files. No child rapists executed yet.
5/5/2026 8:40:00 PM EDT
[#7]
Insert aliens guy gif
Neotopiaman -"Communism could take over the Sahara and have a shortage of sand."
SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM
5/5/2026 8:48:15 PM EDT
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I don't think any type of disclosure will change the faith of those who truly have based their trust in Jesus Christ.  Any videos or even having a spaceship land on the White House lawn live on tv will not change my beliefs in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior.  Those who are unsure or seeking some new age type of belief may be swayed to whatever the aliens claim is their god.  Now a real twist would be if they also believe in Jesus Christ and God.  That is unlikely, as I can't recall any abduction stories speaking about aliens belief in Jesus (not sarcastic).   The "church" that may see more members is Scientology who think that a space alien named Xenu brought humans to earth.  With that said, maybe disclosure will bring people closer to God.  However the part of this news story that made me question it, is that the supposed meeting was held at an Air BnB.  I guess that was done on purpose, but who is to say this wasn't some psyop from an intel agency based on nothing to see how people would react and not on any actual underlying ufo information release.
5/5/2026 8:57:34 PM EDT
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Meh. Won't budge my beliefs an inch. "I have sheep in other flocks" has an interpretation by Bible scholars, and I've read a lot of them, that I remain unconvinced by.

Biblical references to demons can be applied in some cases equally to spiritual demons and aliens who appear like what we would think demons would look like.

If a gray knocked on my door tomorrow and wanted to chit chat, I'd get around to asking him if he knows Jesus after I got done with all the big physics questions.
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This!
5/5/2026 9:06:46 PM EDT
[#10]
As long as we can all agree the earth is flat, not much else bothers me.
5/5/2026 9:11:12 PM EDT
[#11]
Creating doubt or removing religion from man is not an advantage.  It would be a disaster.
5/5/2026 9:12:48 PM EDT
[#12]
Was this AirBNB meeting with current or former intelligence officials?

Do these officials have first hand knowledge of anything they are discussing?

I think we all know the answers are former and no.

Same shit, different decade. Hell, same shit, different century.
5/5/2026 9:17:13 PM EDT
[#13]
God is an astronaut.
9 lives - 9 pellets... Coincidence?
5/6/2026 3:09:37 PM EDT
[#14]
Cross posting:
Timing and all that.




t least 3 pastors have confirmed the story that the US government is warning them to prepare their congregations for the information about UFOs and extraterrestrials that will be revealed.

The first is Pastor Perry Stone who says that “There was a large number of pastors who had been invited to go to a certain state to listen to some men from the United States government about the concerns they had… There is going to be a revelation regarding extraterrestrials and spacecraft of unidentified flying objects. Some of the people who were at the meeting were telling us as pastors: ‘You need to prepare your people and you need to prepare to respond to them about what is about to be revealed.’ Part of it has to do with ships that have been discovered that are not part of our planet, very strange-looking creatures similar to reptiles, and other things that sound like they’re straight out of a science fiction movie.”

Another is Kevin Zadai who assures that “They are interdimensional beings. They don’t come from space. They come from under your house.”

The last and most recent is Pastor Ala Didio who assures that: "The news is true. I was taken to a private meeting with other pastors. Phones off. No recordings. We were warned: The revelation is coming… and many will be unprepared for what follows. Pastors must begin to prepare their people now."

Is what they’re going to tell going to be that intense?

The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
5/6/2026 4:07:43 PM EDT
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This is not something any agency within the Intelligence Community would do
5/6/2026 4:11:09 PM EDT
[#16]
If something the government says makes you lose your faith, you never had it to begin with...
"I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend."
5/6/2026 4:14:49 PM EDT
[#17]
So we’re the aliens?
5/6/2026 4:45:39 PM EDT
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I tend to agree.

And if, with a .0000001% chance this did occur; the attendees would be under an NDA so thick they could build a house on it.


More distraction and more BS is MHO.
"History teaches us that men and nations behave wisely once they have exhausted all other alternatives."-Abba Eban

"I like it both ways, but still mainly mouth it" -gonzo_beyondo
5/6/2026 5:33:21 PM EDT
[#19]
Operation “Epstein Who?” roars on.  

Never ask a man if he is from Virginia. If he is, he'll tell you. If he isn't, you don't want to embarrass him.
5/6/2026 5:41:32 PM EDT
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Now THAT is a fair question, sir!
5/6/2026 5:44:42 PM EDT
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Yes.
5/6/2026 5:48:24 PM EDT
[#22]
I've never heard of any of those people.
And then, he arrives at the last item on his bucket list...
5/6/2026 5:54:51 PM EDT
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I don't think any type of disclosure will change the faith of those who truly have based their trust in Jesus Christ.  Any videos or even having a spaceship land on the White House lawn live on tv will not change my beliefs in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior.  Those who are unsure or seeking some new age type of belief may be swayed to whatever the aliens claim is their god.  Now a real twist would be if they also believe in Jesus Christ and God.  That is unlikely, as I can't recall any abduction stories speaking about aliens belief in Jesus (not sarcastic).   The "church" that may see more members is Scientology who think that a space alien named Xenu brought humans to earth.  With that said, maybe disclosure will bring people closer to God.  However the part of this news story that made me question it, is that the supposed meeting was held at an Air BnB.  I guess that was done on purpose, but who is to say this wasn't some psyop from an intel agency based on nothing to see how people would react and not on any actual underlying ufo information release.
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What if they introduced you to an alien and the alien tele-transported you into a small terrarium and Jesus was living in there,  in a miniature house, and you guys talked ?  Then the alien tele-transported all your dead relatives, from a few generations back, into the miniature world and you talked to those guys too.  

I’m not saying it’s likely………but what if ?
Have another hit of sweet California sunshine
5/6/2026 8:37:07 PM EDT
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What if they introduced you to an alien and the alien tele-transported you into a small terrarium and Jesus was living in there,  in a miniature house, and you guys talked ?  Then the alien tele-transported all your dead relatives, from a few generations back, into the miniature world and you talked to those guys too.  

I’m not saying it’s likely………but what if ?
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It sounds like the scene from the movie Contact with Jodie Foster where an alien makes himself look her character's father.  He looked and spoke exactly like her father but she saw through it.  Jesus is not living on earth or any other planet I can be teleported to.  He is in heaven and no alien can take me there.  

Dr Ellie Arroway Makes First Contact
5/6/2026 9:04:16 PM EDT
[#25]
Not only am I incredulous to the initial story, but I think people will be surprised when the aliens want to talk about God and Jesus with us. Of course, they might be on the other side of things, but I've got a plan for that too.
5/6/2026 9:08:18 PM EDT
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I tend to agree.

And if, with a .0000001% chance this did occur; the attendees would be under an NDA so thick they could build a house on it.


More distraction and more BS is MHO.
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Originally Posted By Gotterdammerung:
This is not something any agency within the Intelligence Community would do


I tend to agree.

And if, with a .0000001% chance this did occur; the attendees would be under an NDA so thick they could build a house on it.


More distraction and more BS is MHO.


I remember when they invited pastors, priests, and rabbis were spoken to in a private setting (not sure if SCIF or just non-televised area) during the tail end of the congressional hearings.

There was a lot of speculation regarding what they were told and we're apparently learning now, so their timer, if it exists, was closely held but something recently occurred where they started speaking now.

The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
5/7/2026 12:15:26 AM EDT
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Has anyone here heard of any of those pastors who were in the meeting?  I have never heard of a single one.  Now I wouldn't expect the likes of Kenneth Copeland or Joel Esteen to be there, but I can think of quite a few legit Christian pastors who you think would have been invited to such an important meeting, but apparently were left out.
5/7/2026 1:05:01 AM EDT
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Well, it seems there was no official list.  I do recall a couple pastors there and a couple people with that goofy medal like from Trump's Al Smith dinner where it was figured out the medal (necklace) was probably a "Most Excellent Order of the British Empire" for outstanding contributions to science and other areas or maybe something from Knights of Columbus.  I don't recall any others and it's guy that was s at the 2016 al smith dinner.0but they only got the details we could from the stream, there were no pastors who got a more in-depth stable for UAP.  I recall some religious leaders during the e hears, only a couple bu that might be white they're coming up with stuff not?  Raise donation coffers perhaps?  Mandela effect or grifters bein mentioned too frequently to stay out of the assumed public record.  I don't like it when people do that.

We could erase all this dobule checking by having the gov simply publish the details and attendance lists.

AI looked at stuff and responded with this (brave search:)

Claims that pastors were secretly briefed by U.S. military intelligence officers to prepare their congregations for an imminent UAP (Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena) disclosure are currently circulating, but these reports are unverified and lack official government confirmation.

   •    Televangelist Perry Stone recently stated that a group of pastors in an undisclosed location was informed by government-connected individuals about upcoming releases concerning non-human craft and entities, including "reptilian" beings.

  •     The briefing allegedly included instructions for religious leaders to prepare their followers for potential spiritual and psychological impacts of the disclosure.

   •    No government memo, transcript, or attendee list has been made public, and no specific government officials or pastors have been identified to corroborate the event.

   •     These claims emerged amidst heightened political speculation, including President Donald Trump’s recent teasing of releasing "very interesting" UFO files and ongoing Congressional hearings on UAP transparency.

   Skeptics and media analysts note that the story relies on second-hand accounts and has not been independently confirmed, distinguishing it from formal congressional hearings which feature sworn testimony and public records.

The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
5/7/2026 6:51:51 AM EDT
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However, it is a story that "evangeli$t$" would concoct to further fleece their followers.
I love a good double entendre.
5/7/2026 7:02:57 AM EDT
[#30]
So which “major religious leaders” have folllowed through with this?
Words fall from your mouth like shit from ass.
5/7/2026 7:12:26 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Gotterdammerung:
This is not something any agency within the Intelligence Community would do
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Originally Posted By NvrBrdWes:
If something the government says makes you lose your faith, you never had it to begin with...
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Both of these statements are correct.
5/7/2026 8:40:19 AM EDT
[#32]
It’s been a long time coming.

https://www.thecatholicthing.org/2023/07/06/pope-francis-on-aliens/

Pope Francis on aliens
Elise Harris on Thursday, July 6, 2023

[In an interview, French journalist Caroline Pigozzi of Paris Match] brought up NASA’s discovery last July of a new planet, Kepler 452 B, which resembles Earth in its dimensions and characteristics, asking whether there could be thinking beings elsewhere in the universe.

“Honestly I wouldn’t know how to answer,” the Pope replied, explaining that while scientific knowledge has until now excluded the possibility of other thinking beings in the universe, “until America was discovered we thought it didn’t exist, and instead it existed.”

“But in every case I think that we should stick to what the scientists tell us, still aware that the Creator is infinitely greater than our knowledge.”

Francis said that the one thing he is sure about in the universe and the world in which we live is that it “is not the result of chance or chaos,” but rather of divine intelligence.

It is the result “of the love of God who loves us, who created us, who desired us and never leaves us alone,” he said.
“How strange it is that man on earth should roam,
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
5/7/2026 1:31:50 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By brass:
Well, it seems there was no official list.  I do recall a couple pastors there and a couple people with that goofy medal like from Trump's Al Smith dinner where it was figured out the medal (necklace) was probably a "Most Excellent Order of the British Empire" for outstanding contributions to science and other areas or maybe something from Knights of Columbus.  I don't recall any others and it's guy that was s at the 2016 al smith dinner.0but they only got the details we could from the stream, there were no pastors who got a more in-depth stable for UAP.  I recall some religious leaders during the e hears, only a couple bu that might be white they're coming up with stuff not?  Raise donation coffers perhaps?  Mandela effect or grifters bein mentioned too frequently to stay out of the assumed public record.  I don't like it when people do that.

We could erase all this dobule checking by having the gov simply publish the details and attendance lists.

AI looked at stuff and responded with this (brave search:)

Claims that pastors were secretly briefed by U.S. military intelligence officers to prepare their congregations for an imminent UAP (Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena) disclosure are currently circulating, but these reports are unverified and lack official government confirmation.

   •    Televangelist Perry Stone recently stated that a group of pastors in an undisclosed location was informed by government-connected individuals about upcoming releases concerning non-human craft and entities, including "reptilian" beings.

  •     The briefing allegedly included instructions for religious leaders to prepare their followers for potential spiritual and psychological impacts of the disclosure.

   •    No government memo, transcript, or attendee list has been made public, and no specific government officials or pastors have been identified to corroborate the event.

   •     These claims emerged amidst heightened political speculation, including President Donald Trump’s recent teasing of releasing "very interesting" UFO files and ongoing Congressional hearings on UAP transparency.

   Skeptics and media analysts note that the story relies on second-hand accounts and has not been independently confirmed, distinguishing it from formal congressional hearings which feature sworn testimony and public records.

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One of the pastors who claims to have been there made some statements and attributed them to congressman Eric Burilson.  The pastor has since apologized for misquoting Burilson and Burilson has accepted the apology.  So all of that would seem to suggest that at least this meeting did in fact happen.

https://www.newsweek.com/pastor-meeting-told-aliens-invented-christianity-eric-burlison-hits-back-larry-ragland-perry-stone-11917635




It's as if a big chunk of our adult population has lost the ability to tell the difference between what is possible, and what is probable.
5/7/2026 1:40:50 PM EDT
[#34]
I wonder is part of the reason Rubio is meeting with the Pope is to discuss disclosure.  


It's as if a big chunk of our adult population has lost the ability to tell the difference between what is possible, and what is probable.
5/7/2026 2:30:07 PM EDT
[#35]
The bible never says there are no other intelligent beings in the universe, and it's probably the first to mention more modern circular UFOs, twice concerning angels riding in them.
5/7/2026 2:36:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By kc-coyote:
Has anyone here heard of any of those pastors who were in the meeting?  I have never heard of a single one.  Now I wouldn't expect the likes of Kenneth Copeland or Joel Esteen to be there, but I can think of quite a few legit Christian pastors who you think would have been invited to such an important meeting, but apparently were left out.
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Yes, Perry Stone is backwards on a lot of the bible. He's a charlatan and a money beggar like those of the old PTL , telling you to send a bunch of money if you want blessings. He's on the current PTL network.

The only thing he has, is a great understanding of ancient cultures and customs, but he's a died in the wool Jim Baker.
5/7/2026 6:35:03 PM EDT
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This pastor doesn’t claim to have been given info by the gov but does claim aliens are demons.

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5/7/2026 7:48:49 PM EDT
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This pastor doesn’t claim to have been given info by the gov but does claim aliens are demons.

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I watched that video and have previously heard the part about people who were abducted invoking the name of Jesus and the aliens immediately left them alone.  That could be because maybe the aliens are like, "Great, another Jesus freak.  Lets find someone else".  Maybe the aliens don't believe in God or have some Scientology type of beliefs.  Xenu supposedly is the alien who brought us here according to the Scientology followers.  Who knows.  As for the story of the guy who had major depression issues caused by having an interest in aliens which went away when he stopped looking at the topic, is hard to swallow.  I think a fair number of people on here have dealt with depression and looking at the UFO subforum on here had absolutely nothing to do with it.   Actually the opposite.  This subforum is great in my opinion as a place to share ideas and news about UFO's and bigfoot without the GD mantra.
5/7/2026 8:50:43 PM EDT
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This pastor doesn’t claim to have been given info by the gov but does claim aliens are demons.

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This opinion has been growing in popularity recently
"I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend."
5/7/2026 9:56:11 PM EDT
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And apparently there is fair number higher ups at the Pentagon who believe this and that we shouldn't be involved with any UFO's.
5/7/2026 10:29:24 PM EDT
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It’s the same thing for cryptids and ghosts.  The Bible is the only thing that explains it all.  If you reject that, then you will have no foundation to establish your worldview.  

Those with faith will have strengthened faith, those without, will embrace their serpent (reptilian) gods.  Nothing new under the sun.
5/7/2026 10:43:37 PM EDT
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Yeah yeah. Nothing to see with the Epstein files. No child rapists executed yet.
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Yupp. Iran distraction isn't going well. Time for distraction to the distraction.
5/7/2026 11:31:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By kc-coyote:


In the April 27 video posted to his YouTube channel, the evangelist claimed that pastors were told about the existence of 'reptilian' creatures, UFOs and materials from a non-human origin and 'other things that almost sound like something out of a sci-fi movie.'

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Jesus karate-chops Barrabus, 26AD, colorized.

5/8/2026 10:08:41 AM EDT
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And apparently there is fair number higher ups at the Pentagon who believe this and that we shouldn't be involved with any UFO's.
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And apparently there is fair number higher ups at the Pentagon who believe this and that we shouldn't be involved with any UFO's.


And they may very well be right.
“How strange it is that man on earth should roam,
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
5/9/2026 4:49:24 PM EDT
[#45]
I don't really see how the existence of "aliens" precludes faith in Christianity.
Sic semper tyrannis!
5/10/2026 2:53:13 AM EDT
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I don't really see how the existence of "aliens" precludes faith in Christianity.
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That's because nothing "precludes faith in Christianity." Because it's a belief. Like Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Shinto, and every other religion there is on the planet. They're all beliefs, with no proof outside their own structure and adherents.

But that's not to say they aren't true. I would never tell any adherent of a belief system that they were wrong. Why? Because I'm agnostic, not an atheist. I can't prove your belief system true or false, so I'll never tell you it's false. The existence of alien life, even intelligent life, wouldn't do that either. That's between you and your beliefs, or your and your religion, or you and the authorities of your religion telling you what and what not to believe.

Just like science doesn't have any conflict with religion, unless you want it to. The Big Bang, Cosmic Inflation, the Universe as it is, Evolution of Life on this planet for billions of years...none of that contradicts your religion unless you make it so. "In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth." Are you going to stand there and tell me that an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent being couldn't use the Big Bang, Cosmic Inflation, and Evolution as their tools, their very toolkit, to accomplish what we see today? Such hubris. Only a Biblical literalist who adheres to the idea the Earth was created roughly 6000 years ago would espouse that. If you accept that the Bible is metaphor, analogy, guidance, and the like, and that science also doesn't know everything and leaves open the possibility for religion to be true...

...there are no conflicts.

Unless you make them.

The same thing applies to alien life, no matter what form it takes. If God created it, it's meant to be here. Just like you.

Denying this sends you into the realm of fanaticism, and if there's one thing this group, this forum, this demographic hates... it's a fanatic. They're terrorists, or ruling the world through some secret cabal, or some other horrible thing.

So... don't be a fanatic for your religion. Keep an open mind. You know, like all of us agnostics and skeptics actually do. Well...maybe not all. There are plenty of fanatics on both sides.
Pope Gregorius Billingsgate Callipygian Quimtickler, First of His Name

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5/11/2026 12:34:07 AM EDT
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Newsletter.

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That's because nothing "precludes faith in Christianity." Because it's a belief. Like Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Shinto, and every other religion there is on the planet. They're all beliefs, with no proof outside their own structure and adherents.

But that's not to say they aren't true. I would never tell any adherent of a belief system that they were wrong. Why? Because I'm agnostic, not an atheist. I can't prove your belief system true or false, so I'll never tell you it's false. The existence of alien life, even intelligent life, wouldn't do that either. That's between you and your beliefs, or your and your religion, or you and the authorities of your religion telling you what and what not to believe.

Just like science doesn't have any conflict with religion, unless you want it to. The Big Bang, Cosmic Inflation, the Universe as it is, Evolution of Life on this planet for billions of years...none of that contradicts your religion unless you make it so. "In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth." Are you going to stand there and tell me that an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent being couldn't use the Big Bang, Cosmic Inflation, and Evolution as their tools, their very toolkit, to accomplish what we see today? Such hubris. Only a Biblical literalist who adheres to the idea the Earth was created roughly 6000 years ago would espouse that. If you accept that the Bible is metaphor, analogy, guidance, and the like, and that science also doesn't know everything and leaves open the possibility for religion to be true...

...there are no conflicts.

Unless you make them.

The same thing applies to alien life, no matter what form it takes. If God created it, it's meant to be here. Just like you.

Denying this sends you into the realm of fanaticism, and if there's one thing this group, this forum, this demographic hates... it's a fanatic. They're terrorists, or ruling the world through some secret cabal, or some other horrible thing.

So... don't be a fanatic for your religion. Keep an open mind. You know, like all of us agnostics and skeptics actually do. Well...maybe not all. There are plenty of fanatics on both sides.
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Originally Posted By Kagetora:

That's because nothing "precludes faith in Christianity." Because it's a belief. Like Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Shinto, and every other religion there is on the planet. They're all beliefs, with no proof outside their own structure and adherents.

But that's not to say they aren't true. I would never tell any adherent of a belief system that they were wrong. Why? Because I'm agnostic, not an atheist. I can't prove your belief system true or false, so I'll never tell you it's false. The existence of alien life, even intelligent life, wouldn't do that either. That's between you and your beliefs, or your and your religion, or you and the authorities of your religion telling you what and what not to believe.

Just like science doesn't have any conflict with religion, unless you want it to. The Big Bang, Cosmic Inflation, the Universe as it is, Evolution of Life on this planet for billions of years...none of that contradicts your religion unless you make it so. "In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth." Are you going to stand there and tell me that an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent being couldn't use the Big Bang, Cosmic Inflation, and Evolution as their tools, their very toolkit, to accomplish what we see today? Such hubris. Only a Biblical literalist who adheres to the idea the Earth was created roughly 6000 years ago would espouse that. If you accept that the Bible is metaphor, analogy, guidance, and the like, and that science also doesn't know everything and leaves open the possibility for religion to be true...

...there are no conflicts.

Unless you make them.

The same thing applies to alien life, no matter what form it takes. If God created it, it's meant to be here. Just like you.

Denying this sends you into the realm of fanaticism, and if there's one thing this group, this forum, this demographic hates... it's a fanatic. They're terrorists, or ruling the world through some secret cabal, or some other horrible thing.

So... don't be a fanatic for your religion. Keep an open mind. You know, like all of us agnostics and skeptics actually do. Well...maybe not all. There are plenty of fanatics on both sides.
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Originally Posted By Kagetora:
Originally Posted By robmkivseries70:
I don't really see how the existence of "aliens" precludes faith in Christianity.

That's because nothing "precludes faith in Christianity." Because it's a belief. Like Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Shinto, and every other religion there is on the planet. They're all beliefs, with no proof outside their own structure and adherents.

But that's not to say they aren't true. I would never tell any adherent of a belief system that they were wrong. Why? Because I'm agnostic, not an atheist. I can't prove your belief system true or false, so I'll never tell you it's false. The existence of alien life, even intelligent life, wouldn't do that either. That's between you and your beliefs, or your and your religion, or you and the authorities of your religion telling you what and what not to believe.

Just like science doesn't have any conflict with religion, unless you want it to. The Big Bang, Cosmic Inflation, the Universe as it is, Evolution of Life on this planet for billions of years...none of that contradicts your religion unless you make it so. "In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth." Are you going to stand there and tell me that an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent being couldn't use the Big Bang, Cosmic Inflation, and Evolution as their tools, their very toolkit, to accomplish what we see today? Such hubris. Only a Biblical literalist who adheres to the idea the Earth was created roughly 6000 years ago would espouse that. If you accept that the Bible is metaphor, analogy, guidance, and the like, and that science also doesn't know everything and leaves open the possibility for religion to be true...

...there are no conflicts.

Unless you make them.

The same thing applies to alien life, no matter what form it takes. If God created it, it's meant to be here. Just like you.

Denying this sends you into the realm of fanaticism, and if there's one thing this group, this forum, this demographic hates... it's a fanatic. They're terrorists, or ruling the world through some secret cabal, or some other horrible thing.

So... don't be a fanatic for your religion. Keep an open mind. You know, like all of us agnostics and skeptics actually do. Well...maybe not all. There are plenty of fanatics on both sides.



The "debunkers" love throwing out false conflicts like the one assumed above.   Every chance they get, they use all possible methods to keep people away from a story before convincing them it's not real (if scaring them away due to religion or mental damage or any of a number of consequences are possible it you even look at the stuff).   Kind of like "if you smell marijuana smoke, you can become addicted easily and should run and call the police.  Same with seeing a syringe or a stamp, they have a huge number of Americans still assume ALL drugs are addictive from one try.  

Alcohol is about the worse but they seem to leave that out, killing your liver is better than taking some drug they didn't have an instant result test for.



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