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Posted: 10/14/2020 1:18:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By djohn:
 Gah. It's on a loop and I can't seem to stop watching it. 
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Posted: 10/14/2020 1:21:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ecgRN: Really close to home. Really close. Shit, He's a straight line from me. And 15 miles closer. |
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Posted: 10/14/2020 1:22:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: Freedom machine https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_0712_jpg-1635076.JPG CD those stryrofoam cups are bad for the environment |
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Posted: 10/14/2020 1:23:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tnriverluver: I think his will go down as the most recorded murder in history concur |
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Posted: 10/14/2020 1:24:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USAFtacFANAC: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/323787/bidentool_PNG-1635184.JPG  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/14/2020 1:25:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Foolish_Mortal:
stolen./ |
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Posted: 10/14/2020 1:29:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Doodles]
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By djohn:
L also has a YouTube Vid chronicling the whole day following the BGM/Antifa agitator.  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 10/14/2020 1:30:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By djohn:
fucked up, sad, but also neat....photographically. |
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Posted: 10/14/2020 1:42:17 PM EDT
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I've been thinking about Lee getting shot - and while this IS TOTALLY monday morning quaterbacking - and I'm certainly not blaming anyone (other than the murderer) - but it occurs to me while it's normal and frankly recommended to "create space" (space = time) in a self defense scenario, it was creating that space -- Lee stepping back and retreating - that allowed the murderer the time and space to draw & fire. I can't help but wonder if Lee had gone against his (and most of ours) instinct and instead had moved into his attacker to grapple if the outcome might have been more in his favor.
Sadly, we won't know. |
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Posted: 10/14/2020 1:46:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bama_Rebel: I better hold on to it till I can get better gear. I knew that thing on the left was old and wasn't gonna get it. But figured it looked kinda cool. I noticed some of the newer helment had rails on the side. Is there anyway to add that to my helmet. What is a rough estimate on value on those 3 items used? you're right about it being bulky and heavy A PASGT vest is better than no armor at all and will stop small caliber pistol rounds and some 9mm jhp and probably buckshot as well. It would be good for a handout if you're conscripting people to help defend your community or whatever. The other gear is decent military surplus that I would totally wear if TSHTF. Get some plates for your IOTV. If you want lightweight ones try to find the new UHMWPE level 3+ with a ceramic strike face. PASGT vest = $50-100 ACH helmet = $100 IOTV with kevlar = $200-300 |
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Posted: 10/14/2020 1:48:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: I've been thinking about Lee getting shot - and while this IS TOTALLY monday morning quaterbacking - and I'm certainly not blaming anyone (other than the murderer) - but it occurs to me while it's normal and frankly recommended to "create space" (space = time) in a self defense scenario, it was creating that space -- Lee stepping back and retreating - that allowed the murderer the time and space to draw & fire. I can't help but wonder if Lee had gone against his (and most of ours) instinct and instead had moved into his attacker to grapple if the outcome might have been more in his favor. Sadly, we won't know. Like Jimmy Hoffa said, "rush a gun, run from a knife." |
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Posted: 10/14/2020 1:51:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: I've been thinking about Lee getting shot - and while this IS TOTALLY monday morning quaterbacking - and I'm certainly not blaming anyone (other than the murderer) - but it occurs to me while it's normal and frankly recommended to "create space" (space = time) in a self defense scenario, it was creating that space -- Lee stepping back and retreating - that allowed the murderer the time and space to draw & fire. I can't help but wonder if Lee had gone against his (and most of ours) instinct and instead had moved into his attacker to grapple if the outcome might have been more in his favor. Sadly, we won't know. There are two paths to take with this. One is to close with and hamper the shooters movements, take him to the ground and deny him a chance to reorient. The other is to move off axis and deny him the opportunity to get a target. You still have to close with, but it denies him a chance to get a shot. Not a lot of folks know how to employ a contact shot. Certainly, Lee would have stood a chance with the shooter in a ground game or slug fest. Just some point to think about. |
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Posted: 10/14/2020 1:54:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/14/2020 1:58:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FALFOX: A PASGT vest is better than no armor at all and will stop small caliber pistol rounds and some 9mm jhp and probably buckshot as well. It would be good for a handout if you're conscripting people to help defend your community or whatever. The other gear is decent military surplus that I would totally wear if TSHTF. Get some plates for your IOTV. If you want lightweight ones try to find the new UHMWPE level 3+ with a ceramic strike face. PASGT vest = $50-100 ACH helmet = $100 IOTV with kevlar = $200-300 I would venture to say those prices could be doubled in the current environment. You used to be able to find helmets for that price all day, and now there is almost none to be found. Lots are going to the riots if you pay attention, so its not just one side that is equipping for something. |
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Posted: 10/14/2020 1:59:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dbmers: Driving through Tombstone today. There’s no doubt who they are for. Trump/Pence banners everywhere Went to a place called Whitewater Draw. Sandhill Crane migration. This is a Northern Harrier. https://i.imgur.com/c23G0Zc.jpg https://i.imgur.com/14kRTvZ.jpg https://i.imgur.com/5EMfP96.jpg Very nice. What camera, lens, and settings were used on the first shot? @dbmers |
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Posted: 10/14/2020 2:01:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: I've been thinking about Lee getting shot - and while this IS TOTALLY monday morning quaterbacking - and I'm certainly not blaming anyone (other than the murderer) - but it occurs to me while it's normal and frankly recommended to "create space" (space = time) in a self defense scenario, it was creating that space -- Lee stepping back and retreating - that allowed the murderer the time and space to draw & fire. I can't help but wonder if Lee had gone against his (and most of ours) instinct and instead had moved into his attacker to grapple if the outcome might have been more in his favor. Sadly, we won't know. Lee was trying to deescalate and didn't want to fight. If he had known he was in a fight then he wouldn't have backed away. (most likely) |
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Posted: 10/14/2020 2:07:18 PM EDT
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Woo! Post 200 will commemorate my first lefty troll in the twitterverse, who has take umbrage at our referring to Keltner as a patriot.
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Posted: 10/14/2020 2:07:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/14/2020 2:08:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By djohn: Like Jimmy Hoffa said, "rush a gun, run from a knife." that. pretty much. |
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Posted: 10/14/2020 2:09:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stoner01: There are two paths to take with this. One is to close with and hamper the shooters movements, take him to the ground and deny him a chance to reorient. The other is to move off axis and deny him the opportunity to get a target. You still have to close with, but it denies him a chance to get a shot. Not a lot of folks know how to employ a contact shot. Certainly, Lee would have stood a chance with the shooter in a ground game or slug fest. Just some point to think about. |
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Posted: 10/14/2020 2:10:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryIt’s not working, they’re still coming here 
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Posted: 10/14/2020 2:13:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Extrabonez: I would venture to say those prices could be doubled in the current environment. You used to be able to find helmets for that price all day, and now there is almost none to be found. Lots are going to the riots if you pay attention, so its not just one side that is equipping for something. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Extrabonez: Originally Posted By FALFOX: A PASGT vest is better than no armor at all and will stop small caliber pistol rounds and some 9mm jhp and probably buckshot as well. It would be good for a handout if you're conscripting people to help defend your community or whatever. The other gear is decent military surplus that I would totally wear if TSHTF. Get some plates for your IOTV. If you want lightweight ones try to find the new UHMWPE level 3+ with a ceramic strike face. PASGT vest = $50-100 ACH helmet = $100 IOTV with kevlar = $200-300 I would venture to say those prices could be doubled in the current environment. You used to be able to find helmets for that price all day, and now there is almost none to be found. Lots are going to the riots if you pay attention, so its not just one side that is equipping for something. I sold a very complete (from the groin protector to the shoulder daps) acu IOTV a little over a year ago. Man.....that thing sat for a REALLY long time. Times change. I had it on ebay, and the EE, and calguns, and maybe another place or two. I had assembled it piece by piece off of ebay - just like I had done with my IMTV (which I still have) - and had like over $700.00 into it. I couldn't even get that. I think I ended up selling it for less than $400. Anyway - the inner cummerbunny on that one made it really comfortable. I let it go because I knew I was going to transition to a PC eventually -- but now I wish I had held onto it for another year or two so I could sell it now and profit! |
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Posted: 10/14/2020 2:15:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Hollywood_Shooter]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Doodles: Lee was trying to deescalate and didn't want to fight. If he had known he was in a fight then he wouldn't have backed away. (most likely) we will assume as much. but to my point, I'm concerned that I would have done the same thing, with the same result. I'm trying to let Lee's death at least be a teaching moment. |
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Posted: 10/14/2020 2:18:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumafish: Woo! Post 200 will commemorate my first lefty troll in the twitterverse, who has take umbrage at our referring to Keltner as a patriot.
best I could do on short notice:
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Posted: 10/14/2020 2:25:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hiyaboa: It's not working, they're still coming here yeah, well...rats. ship. water level. |
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Posted: 10/14/2020 2:27:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Scoobysmak]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Doodles: Lee was trying to deescalate and didn't want to fight. If he had known he was in a fight then he wouldn't have backed away. (most likely) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Doodles: Originally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: I've been thinking about Lee getting shot - and while this IS TOTALLY monday morning quaterbacking - and I'm certainly not blaming anyone (other than the murderer) - but it occurs to me while it's normal and frankly recommended to "create space" (space = time) in a self defense scenario, it was creating that space -- Lee stepping back and retreating - that allowed the murderer the time and space to draw & fire. I can't help but wonder if Lee had gone against his (and most of ours) instinct and instead had moved into his attacker to grapple if the outcome might have been more in his favor. Sadly, we won't know. Lee was trying to deescalate and didn't want to fight. If he had known he was in a fight then he wouldn't have backed away. (most likely) I would love to know the age difference between them (probably listed 87 million places but this thought just occurred to me). If Lee was say around the Gen X range and I predict the shooter was much younger, either millennial or gen Z. Back in my day a fist fight was a fist fight. You took a hit and either walked away or returned the favor. The shooter got so offended that he went off the chart. He didn't know how to handle failure so resorted to something much more extreme. Maybe I am losing my marbles but just a thought. The participation trophy's need to end.... 
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Posted: 10/14/2020 2:29:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/14/2020 2:34:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scoobysmak: I would love to know the age difference between them (probably listed 87 million places but this thought just occurred to me). If Lee was say around the Gen X range and I predict the shooter was much younger, either millennial or gen Z. Back in my day a fist fight was a fist fight. You took a hit and either walked away or returned the favor. The shooter got so offended that he went off the chart. He didn't know how to handle failure so resorted to something much more extreme. Maybe I am losing my marbles but just a thought. no -- spot on. that's totally part of what I'm trying to get to. I'm mid-50's. I suspect Lee was too -- didn't look up his age. But yeah - High School for me was fists after the last bell by the north wall. You went til someone gave up, or it got broken up by teachers or on the rare occasion, cops. But nobody got shot. But to your point, it's the participation trophy syndrome. Murderer thought he was special and never learned how to lose. |
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Posted: 10/14/2020 2:37:12 PM EDT
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 Project Veritas Expose PROVES If Biden Wins Riots Will only Get Worse, Democrat Calls For Violence |
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Posted: 10/14/2020 2:37:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By flynlr: me too and I work there. btw due to hatch act no political clothing etc can be worn I have a Red MAGA Type hat that says Make the USPS great again enroute now. should be wearing it at work later today .from a distance everyone will think its the former/ Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By flynlr: Originally Posted By FCSD2162: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/nod-3.gif /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/hellyeah-175.jpg And of course, just like I said yesterday... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/67531/Screen_Shot_2020-10-13_at_5_14_53_PM_png-1634226.JPG I fucking hate the USPS! @evo7011 me too and I work there. btw due to hatch act no political clothing etc can be worn I have a Red MAGA Type hat that says Make the USPS great again enroute now. should be wearing it at work later today .from a distance everyone will think its the former/ Oh, that's sneaky. I like it. How long do you suppose it will take before someone flips their shit because of what they think it says, instead of actually reading it? |
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Posted: 10/14/2020 2:38:01 PM EDT
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Off topic but is brownells the slowest shipper in the online parts business? I ordered an instock item 10 days ago and it’s still processing.
I’m still waiting on JPC too that will hopefully arrive before the election |
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Posted: 10/14/2020 2:39:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MotorMouth]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: I've been thinking about Lee getting shot - and while this IS TOTALLY monday morning quaterbacking - and I'm certainly not blaming anyone (other than the murderer) - but it occurs to me while it's normal and frankly recommended to "create space" (space = time) in a self defense scenario, it was creating that space -- Lee stepping back and retreating - that allowed the murderer the time and space to draw & fire. I can't help but wonder if Lee had gone against his (and most of ours) instinct and instead had moved into his attacker to grapple if the outcome might have been more in his favor. Sadly, we won't know. If you're that close to someone threatening you with a gun, your best move is to close the distance, not make more. Keltner didn't know he was in a gun fight until it was too late. |
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Posted: 10/14/2020 2:40:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Hollywood_Shooter]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MotorMouth: If you're that close to someone threatening you with a gun, your best move is to close the distance not make more. agreed. I suppose Lee wasn't expecting the gun. Yes, maybe he could have given more weight to the murderer's appearance....but I doubt I would have factored it strongly enough either. So what's the alternative if I find myself in that sitch? Immediately try and control his hands? Man....if you're wrong, you're fucked, and if you were right, but wrong - you're dead. (huh?) you know what I mean. |
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Posted: 10/14/2020 2:40:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hiyaboa: Off topic but is brownells the slowest shipper in the online parts business? I ordered an instock item 10 days ago and it’s still processing. I’m still waiting on JPC too that will hopefully arrive before the election Yes. |
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Posted: 10/14/2020 2:41:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: best I could do on short notice:
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: Originally Posted By pumafish: Woo! Post 200 will commemorate my first lefty troll in the twitterverse, who has take umbrage at our referring to Keltner as a patriot.
best I could do on short notice:
Your ridicule did what cold facts could not, and he seems to have disappeared.  
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Posted: 10/14/2020 2:41:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: agreed. I suppose Lee wasn't expecting the gun. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: Originally Posted By MotorMouth: If you're that close to someone threatening you with a gun, your best move is to close the distance not make more. agreed. I suppose Lee wasn't expecting the gun. Yup. |
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Posted: 10/14/2020 2:42:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: Freedom machine https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_0712_jpg-1635076.JPG CD  My shorts just got a little tighter. |
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Posted: 10/14/2020 2:44:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumafish: Woo! Post 200 will commemorate my first lefty troll in the twitterverse, who has take umbrage at our referring to Keltner as a patriot.
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Posted: 10/14/2020 2:45:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryShit for a minute I thought hell had froze over when I read it first as NYT lol |
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Posted: 10/14/2020 2:45:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MotorMouth: Yup. Yes, maybe he could have given more weight to the murderer's appearance....but I doubt I would have factored it strongly enough either. So what's the alternative if I find myself in that sitch? Immediately try and control his hands? Man....if you're wrong, you're fucked, and if you were right, but wrong - you're dead. (huh?) you know what I mean. |
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Posted: 10/14/2020 2:45:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: best I could do on short notice:
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: Originally Posted By pumafish: Woo! Post 200 will commemorate my first lefty troll in the twitterverse, who has take umbrage at our referring to Keltner as a patriot.
best I could do on short notice:
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Posted: 10/14/2020 2:46:00 PM EDT
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As an aside, for every comment about the shooter not watching his backstop . . .
That's a rule for recreational shooting, like hunting and target sports. If you have a legit threat to your life, any injury or death visited upon innocents that are behind your assailant, are the fault of your assailant, not you. |
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Posted: 10/14/2020 2:46:36 PM EDT
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GIF from video above, slowed to 1/2 speed. 
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Posted: 10/14/2020 2:46:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/14/2020 2:48:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: Yes, maybe he could have given more weight to the murderer's appearance....but I doubt I would have factored it strongly enough either. So what's the alternative if I find myself in that sitch? Immediately try and control his hands? Man....if you're wrong, you're fucked, and if you were right, but wrong - you're dead. (huh?) you know what I mean. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: Originally Posted By MotorMouth: Yup. Yes, maybe he could have given more weight to the murderer's appearance....but I doubt I would have factored it strongly enough either. So what's the alternative if I find myself in that sitch? Immediately try and control his hands? Man....if you're wrong, you're fucked, and if you were right, but wrong - you're dead. (huh?) you know what I mean. Rules one through three: Don't go to stupid places with stupid people and do stupid things. 
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Posted: 10/14/2020 2:48:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryFuck you motherfucker, YOUR DAYS ARE NUMBERED,
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Posted: 10/14/2020 2:49:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Scoobysmak]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hiyaboa: Off topic but is brownells the slowest shipper in the online parts business? I ordered an instock item 10 days ago and it’s still processing. I’m still waiting on JPC too that will hopefully arrive before the election To me they are okay but also saw the answer . 99% of my stuff on backorder has gotten here except my flip up sights. I have a few "friends" that will make me look worse than NFAC.... .I have one other thing on backorder but it is a spare part anyway. I will start getting the budget arranged for a scope a month....  . The riot squad helped me spend the money I had allocated for that....ETA for screw up....
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Posted: 10/14/2020 2:49:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By kbi: My high beams get a fuking work out but my windshield needs a good cleaning godddamn paw prints from a fat gray phaggot at work  [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6r5eWtiyXQ[/urlAwwww! But yeah, paw prints in my car send me over the edge as much as people saying KINO and OPTICS. Originally Posted By USAFtacFANAC: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/323787/bidentool_PNG-1635184.JPG  |
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Posted: 10/14/2020 2:54:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JCoop: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/143025/tinyBandAid-1635283.jpg There. Probably the right size bandaid now. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JCoop: Originally Posted By FCSD2162: Originally Posted By stoner01: Originally Posted By FCSD2162: What? Did you break your dick in half or something? She bit the tip https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/67531/band-aid-500x500-1_jpg-1634544.JPG There. Probably the right size bandaid now.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/14/2020 2:54:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FCSD2162: Awwww! But yeah, paw prints in my car send me over the edge as much as people saying KINO and OPTICS. 
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