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Posted: 6/8/2020 9:16:22 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miami_JBT: Sheriff Bob Gualtieri is not only still in office, he's one of the biggest backers of Red Flag Laws. Oh, did I mention that he's also a prominent Republican Party Official in FL. @ErikInAZ https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/05/04/article-2139555-12ECED9B000005DC-396_468x318.jpg https://s7d2.scene7.com/is/image/TWCNews/0310_bn9_bob-gualtieri-floridagopjpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miami_JBT: Originally Posted By ErikInAZ: Originally Posted By spartacus2002: Back when the FL legislature was flirting with the idea of legalizing open carry, our Sheriff publicly told the press that if it passed, he would issue an SOP that if his deputies found someone legally open carrying then they were to prone the person out at gunpoint, cuff them and disarm them, and THEN figure out if they were up to no good or were a prohibited person.  So I'm leaning toward thinking he doesn't really want an organized local militia backing up his deputies. Nor does he deserve one. Is that sheriff still in office? If so, that seems to be problem #1 to address before and worst case at the next election. He will affect you and yours more than whoever gets elected for the House or Senate, and maybe even more than who gets elected president, since he sets the direction for local LE and is your highest local elected official. @ErikInAZ https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/05/04/article-2139555-12ECED9B000005DC-396_468x318.jpg https://s7d2.scene7.com/is/image/TWCNews/0310_bn9_bob-gualtieri-floridagopjpg Well then it looks like you folks in Florida have your work cut out for you. Get rid of those RINO’s. Organize. Take Action. Throw their asses OUT! Whatever it takes, at this point. You need Constitutional Carry. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 9:18:32 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miami_JBT: Shit..... I was telling people four years ago not to look into LE work as a career. Now.... I tell them to run, run as far away as possible. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miami_JBT: Originally Posted By FistPeso: Originally Posted By j_smith_3rd: They don't want a soft police department. They want complete militarization; except with them using the police as attack dogs against us. Looting, pillaging, impeding the free travel of the citizenry, shutting down lanes of commerce, committing organized arson, paying for violence, flinging shit at police, smashing everything in sight, and generally looking like prison uprising is protected free speech that needs to be met with empathy and understanding. Show solidarity with the Antifa Terror Network by taking a knee. These same folks will endorse jack boot military take downs of every hard working, tax paying, utterly compliant gun owner for the 'Fascist Crime' of thinking the above is ridiculous. I WOULD NOT advise my children to pursue careers in law enforcement. So tomorrow's PD will be comprised of leftovers controlled by Commissars, backed by mayors who kneel before rioting terrorists. Imagine how secure voting will be! My son is interested in law enforcement. We had this conversation last night, he is backing away after seeing the bullshit happening around the country. Had that conversation with my brother last night. Both of us basically had spots available for us in east coast departments (family connections). After a lot of thought about it, both of us passed on the offers. I would have been retired by now but he would have still been on. Both glad we noped on that whole deal. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 9:20:07 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miami_JBT: The entire Florida Sheriff's Association didn't back Open Carry and the vast majority of them are Republicans. Also, don't kid yourself @Spartacus2002. We both know the Republican dominated Republican Legislature didn't support Open Carry. It was only a tiny selection of lawmakers that did. The Senate President and House Speaker surely didn't. Neither did any of the Committee Chairs. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miami_JBT: Originally Posted By spartacus2002: Originally Posted By ben123: This is what we need to do . I don't if it violates COC but I'm gunna say it: We need to fucking grow some balls, get behind our police (organize with police, cooperate with, what ever that looks like), activate organized local militia and come up against these fucks with numbers. Display that they won't have thier way and burn our country. Enough is going to be enough eventually. When this has to happen I don't know but I would encourage you, start having serious conversations with LEO's, military friends, like minded sane people and start planning for the "what ifs ?" Back when the FL legislature was flirting with the idea of legalizing open carry, our Sheriff publicly told the press that if it passed, he would issue an SOP that if his deputies found someone legally open carrying then they were to prone the person out at gunpoint, cuff them and disarm them, and THEN figure out if they were up to no good or were a prohibited person. So I'm leaning toward thinking he doesn't really want an organized local militia backing up his deputies. Nor does he deserve one. What’s that saying? People get the government they deserve... Vote (or force) them out. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 9:20:42 AM EST
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Posted: 6/8/2020 9:24:54 AM EST
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lol
maybe potus will get us out of the un now  Attached Filehttps://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/george-floyd-protests-man-accused-driving-into-seattle-crowd-shooting-protester/ZADKR7FZ35GIPM62FQNBS7RPPI/ |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 9:27:42 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RSG: https://media.thedonald.win/thedonald/post/q8d25OVE.png Many more Black folk hold this position but cant say shit because of the violent loud assholes. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 9:27:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ErikInAZ: Well then it looks like you folks in Florida have your work cut out for you. Get rid of those RINO's. Organize. Take Action. Throw their asses OUT! Whatever it takes, at this point. You need Constitutional Carry. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ErikInAZ: Originally Posted By Miami_JBT: Originally Posted By ErikInAZ: Originally Posted By spartacus2002: Back when the FL legislature was flirting with the idea of legalizing open carry, our Sheriff publicly told the press that if it passed, he would issue an SOP that if his deputies found someone legally open carrying then they were to prone the person out at gunpoint, cuff them and disarm them, and THEN figure out if they were up to no good or were a prohibited person. So I'm leaning toward thinking he doesn't really want an organized local militia backing up his deputies. Nor does he deserve one. Is that sheriff still in office? If so, that seems to be problem #1 to address before and worst case at the next election. He will affect you and yours more than whoever gets elected for the House or Senate, and maybe even more than who gets elected president, since he sets the direction for local LE and is your highest local elected official. @ErikInAZ https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/05/04/article-2139555-12ECED9B000005DC-396_468x318.jpg https://s7d2.scene7.com/is/image/TWCNews/0310_bn9_bob-gualtieri-floridagopjpg Well then it looks like you folks in Florida have your work cut out for you. Get rid of those RINO's. Organize. Take Action. Throw their asses OUT! Whatever it takes, at this point. You need Constitutional Carry. @ErikInAZ, they aren't the RINOs. We are. The GOP is not a party of Pro Constitutional Small Government Fiscally Responsible Government. When a Republican Supermajority controlled State Legislature and Governor's office submitted, passed, and signed into law gun control. That sends a message that folks like you or I aren't the base of the party and they don't give a fuck about us. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 9:29:07 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By disparcher91: Only if he bows down to the police. At this point why would you give into the second wave of force after escaping the first. Given his situation from the video I have seen I would not go quietly. The cops need to know it is more painful to screw with us than antifa. Unfortunately the opposite has been true as we bow down to unconstitutional laws like RFL's. We say things like "once it's passed..." "vote ex out Nextel time" and other BS. But they are not playing by the rules (enforcing laws on the looters), and are actively showing allegiance (kneeling) to the enemy. No not black peopel as a people but to the blm and antifa. Therefore law enforcement would be a second wave of force. It is basically Jim Crow laws in reverse. If it’s on the books, only apply it to suburban white people, Gun owners, and conservatives. “People of color” are untouchables, and can do no wrong. “People of color” are looting? Good for them, screw those rich store owners. A white person refuses to subjugate himself by kneeling or washing the feet of a race baiter? He has just committed a hate crime! Lock his ass up! This is basically what we are seeing, where it’s going. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 9:31:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ErikInAZ: What's that saying? People get the government they deserve... Vote (or force) them out. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ErikInAZ: Originally Posted By Miami_JBT: Originally Posted By spartacus2002: Originally Posted By ben123: This is what we need to do . I don't if it violates COC but I'm gunna say it: We need to fucking grow some balls, get behind our police (organize with police, cooperate with, what ever that looks like), activate organized local militia and come up against these fucks with numbers. Display that they won't have thier way and burn our country. Enough is going to be enough eventually. When this has to happen I don't know but I would encourage you, start having serious conversations with LEO's, military friends, like minded sane people and start planning for the "what ifs ?" Back when the FL legislature was flirting with the idea of legalizing open carry, our Sheriff publicly told the press that if it passed, he would issue an SOP that if his deputies found someone legally open carrying then they were to prone the person out at gunpoint, cuff them and disarm them, and THEN figure out if they were up to no good or were a prohibited person. So I'm leaning toward thinking he doesn't really want an organized local militia backing up his deputies. Nor does he deserve one. What's that saying? People get the government they deserve... Vote (or force) them out. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 9:31:32 AM EST
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13 days ... From lawless looters to victims of social injustice.
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Posted: 6/8/2020 9:33:35 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dace: This is their end goal; a policing force THEY control. That’s what I’ve been thinking as well. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 9:35:32 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By j_smith_3rd: The indoctrinated FB Karens will hear that and accept it instantly via confirmation bias. The indoctrinated ARFcom Karens have done that countless times in the past week or so. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 9:36:26 AM EST
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Posted: 6/8/2020 9:39:02 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miami_JBT: The GOP is not a party of Pro Constitutional Small Government Fiscally Responsible Government. . this needs to be burned into everyone's brain here. Maybe in rural Wyoming it is, but today that's the exception not the rule. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 9:39:53 AM EST
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Originally Posted By 36trap: The indoctrinated ARFcom Karens have done that countless times in the past week or so. Lol |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 9:39:54 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By togadelic: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/152525/f72cee9053bf59c90d401410b958b4202d0beaab-1452600.JPG LOL! Watched that live. Bunch of fucking retards. Embarrassing. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 9:40:12 AM EST
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Posted: 6/8/2020 9:42:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Banditman: Yep, just look at the Rwandan genocide as an example. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Banditman: Originally Posted By Federov: Hate to break it to you, but that was, and still is, a very common African punishment by the locals. Leopold never "ordered" mutilation, that was done by the locals who were the "kapos" of the workers. Yep, just look at the Rwandan genocide as an example. Africa ALWAYS wins with zero help from outsiders. That's why i'm ok with China "investing" in Africa. They will learn the hard way. 
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Posted: 6/8/2020 9:44:10 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MRTsHaircut: And that is exactly how you get Balkanized. Alienate an entire segment of your community, destroy institutions of law and order and drive away businesses. Good luck with that. Some Community is going to benefit when the productive refugees move. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MRTsHaircut: Originally Posted By Miami_JBT: Cops can't legally strike.... this is going to get VERY INTERESTING now. If the Union calls for a Wildcat Strike, the question I have is will other Unions back it? This is the Blazer Experiment taken to 11. I find it utterly fascinating. The Leftist Cities in the 1970s tried goofy bullshit with the Blazer Experiments and learned that dressing your cops up like Airline Attendants doesn't work. Assault on officers went up and within a couple of years they went back to the classic paramilitary uniforms. What Minneapolis is doing is that, but while doing a line of coke and taking speed at the same time. I'm so curious, will they actually disband the police or will they just call it something else. Cities have disbanded PDs before either because of budgetary issues or corruption issues. But the end result is another agency takes over that jurisdiction. It appears that Minneapolis wants to outright replace policing with something else. How will it work, will it work, and can it work with the entire system in place? How will people be sworn? Will they have arrest powers? Will they be armed? Will the Sheriff's Department or State Police take over policing duties in that jurisdiction? It is utterly mindboggling and I see nothing but collapse and failure in whatever they try. Minneapolis isn't a quiet little bedroom community with no UCR Reports and the most they handle are lost kitten reports. That place is a full fledged city with high crime rates involving murder, rape, human trafficking, sexual assault on minors, etc.... Whatever happens. I see their crime rate skyrocketing and anyone with a lick of sense getting the fuck out. People get the government they deserve. The majority of the residents voted in that city council. They are representing their interests. They made their bed, let them sleep in it. But we both know, what will really happen is that the people thst voted for this will simply flee once the cascade failure occurs and they'll try it elsewhere again via the ballot box. And that is exactly how you get Balkanized. Alienate an entire segment of your community, destroy institutions of law and order and drive away businesses. Good luck with that. Some Community is going to benefit when the productive refugees move. They are forcing the creation of parallel societies and parallel institutions. When conservatives (generalized to mean those who want to conserve the original country as founded under the Constitution) cannot participate in the general public economy, banking, social media, etc, because of their beliefs, they will form their own economy, banking system and social media platforms. When the two are completely separate, there is no need to ever interact. That is when all civility will cease. War will follow. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 9:45:50 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bc5000: Got an email from Petsmart titled 'BLACK LIVES MATTER'. Basically telling me I'm racist and that I must do better. Don't be racist? 
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Posted: 6/8/2020 9:46:18 AM EST
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Posted: 6/8/2020 9:47:17 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naporter: Long time? That's a straw man argument. The whole interaction was 5 minutes, less than many traffic stops. Officer 2 was barely on scene before he deployed his taser. How could he have any reasonable belief that use of force against a nonviolent subject was warranted? I guess I'm radical for believing the cops should be a little more professional and only resort to force when necessary. The first officer was making an honest attempt at keeping the subject passive and gaining his compliance, right up until his colleague shit all over that effort with little interaction with the subject prior to his use of force. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naporter: Originally Posted By j_smith_3rd: Originally Posted By Naporter: Originally Posted By odiedodi: Originally Posted By Naporter: Video seems to start/stop a lot (their website maybe?) but that seemed unnecessary. That guy seemed like he wasn't all there and needed medical or psychiatric care. Clearly others thought so too, hence the ambulance. ETA: The YT video seems to work better. The use of the taser still seemed unnecessary and was definitely unprovoked. He wasn't aggressive, but clearly under the influence of something or suffering some sort of psych issue. He was disoriented and somewhat incoherent. The officer's use of the taser is probably legal, but definitely a poor choice, especially considering it looked like he just arrived to assist. Originally Posted By Naporter: He's clearly messed up and you expect him to listen to commands? Instead of making an honest attempt to end it peacefully you think the cops should immediately deploy a taser cause someone didn't "respect my authoritah"? And cops wonder why so many hate them. It only takes a few bad examples to paint the rest as bad. This had the potential for a peaceful ending, but we'll never know because the second officer intervened. The officer who's PoV we were seeing seemed like he was trying his best to end it peacefully. Just because you're allowed to use the heavy hand doesn't make it necessary. Let's do something to trigger an adrenaline release and force him into that state. Fucking brilliant. I'd also add that his request for oxygen is probably more indicative of a depressant than a stimulant, assuming it's drugs. Even the mentally ill can require great force to restrain when riled up, so that's not exactly indicative of a stimulant. Police are police. Not fast responding social workers and psych ward orderlies. If the police SOP becomes "Fuck around on scene for a long time, offering chances for non compliant actors to become compliant, and desist in restraint efforts at every feigned medical distress" then what we're going to get is a lot of injured officers followed by police resignations. Long time? That's a straw man argument. The whole interaction was 5 minutes, less than many traffic stops. Officer 2 was barely on scene before he deployed his taser. How could he have any reasonable belief that use of force against a nonviolent subject was warranted? I guess I'm radical for believing the cops should be a little more professional and only resort to force when necessary. The first officer was making an honest attempt at keeping the subject passive and gaining his compliance, right up until his colleague shit all over that effort with little interaction with the subject prior to his use of force. It isn't radical to expect that level of effort. What is radical is that you seem to think you know everything you need to know about the incident from the camera footage. That isn't possible and isn't reasonable. It's ok though. The decision makers agreed with you. Unclear how much investigating they did, if any. But here is the difference. I am not willing to say it was a bad decision to charge the officer, because I don't have all the facts. You on the other hand seem pretty comfortable making decisions on minimal info. You may have a career in government... |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 9:52:17 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZNetEng: You have quite a few opinions. Do you have any direct experience to back them up? Serious question. Intel gathering and observation? What constitutes a mob? Ever taken someone into custody? Ever engaged in physical struggle with a person on drugs? Even been in fight or flight mode for any reason? Your posts seem laden with emotion. I get it. This is a difficult time. This does not change the fact that opinion without experience is wishful thinking. It is easy to ascribe motive to action when we are commenting out of fear and anger. Police work is not pretty all the time. There are times in fact that it is damn ugly. Not every interaction ends in unicorn farts and rainbows, nor does it end in someone dying or even in custody. Some of what we have been shown looks heinous, and does not portray LEO in a good light at all. This coming on the heels of some ridiculous enforcement of emergency orders seems designed to turn the average citizen against cops everywhere. Give that some thought. The MSM decides what to show you. The YouTuber's edit their video before they upload it. WE decide to get spun up about it and react emotionally to it. Sometimes we see ourselves in that spot and realize that it could happen to us. We know we are good people and wouldn't deserve that treatment. Tone deaf should be used to describe someone who isn't listening at all, not someone who disagrees with your solution. People should remember that police REGULARLY see and interact with people during the WORST MOMENTS of their lives. No matter how good their (the police) training, how thorough, how complete, it will not prepare them for every eventuality, and most of these interactions will be emotionally charged. Police will make mistakes. They are human. It is very easy to Monday Morning QB. This doesn’t excuse abhorrent behavior. But it is something to keep in mind. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 9:53:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kharn: They come across as senseless tards. They should at least Google the memorials before vandalizing them. Kharn Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kharn: Originally Posted By j_smith_3rd: Originally Posted By Crash_Test_Dhimmi: https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/102932821_2720868194684003_2205525785726510980_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_sid=8024bb&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=2-d7y1nMbikAX_LdiiP&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&_nc_tp=14&oh=64f1513bd9e23e597ec608805ee6698f&oe=5F01BE0D Memorial to the Polish General who led the first battalion of black soldiers during the American Revolution. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tadeusz_Ko%C5%9Bciuszko https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2720873498016806&id=100002825488957 "Polish Brigadier General Tadeusz Kosciuszko: - architect of West Point - fought against slavery - freed slaves - wrote to Benjamin Franklin about ending slavery - led very first battalion of black soldiers during the Revolution" It doesn't matter how warranted the memorial is or how ironic the defacement is. They want to destroy all memorials and disconnect the populace from their proud history and sense of ownership. They're replacing it with incessant lies about how our children are oppressive vindictive tyrants and so were all of their predecessors. The monument doesn't matter. Systematic disenfranchisement and shaping operations for a genocide are the goals. They're long-sighted enemy operations. Not simple acts of vandalism. They come across as senseless tards. They should at least Google the memorials before vandalizing them. Kharn This a statue of a white man Enough said |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 9:53:20 AM EST
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Surprising to absolutely no one, here's what happened when Baltimore reformed police
In Baltimore, you can tell a lot about the politics of the person you’re talking with by the word he or she uses to describe the events of April 27, 2015. Some people, and most media outlets, call them the “riots”; some the “unrest.” Guy was among those who always referred to them as the “uprising,” a word that connoted something justifiable and positive: the first step, however tumultuous, toward a freer and fairer city. Policing in Baltimore, Guy and many other residents believed, was broken, with officers serving as an occupying army in enemy territory — harassing African-American residents without cause, breeding distrust and hostility. In 2016, the United States Department of Justice’s Civil Rights Division concurred, releasing a report accusing the city’s Police Department of racial discrimination and excessive force. The city agreed to a “consent decree” with the federal government, a set of policing reforms that would be enforced by a federal judge. When an independent monitoring team was selected to oversee the decree, Guy was hired as its community liaison. This was where she wanted to be: at the forefront of the effort to make her city a better place. But in the years that followed, Baltimore, by most standards, became a worse place. In 2017, it recorded 342 murders — its highest per-capita rate ever, more than double Chicago’s, far higher than any other city of 500,000 or more residents and, astonishingly, a larger absolute number of killings than in New York, a city 14 times as populous. Other elected officials, from the governor to the mayor to the state’s attorney, struggled to respond to the rise in disorder, leaving residents with the unsettling feeling that there was no one in charge. With every passing year, it was getting harder to see what gains, exactly, were delivered by the uprising https://web.archive.org/web/20200531135330/https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/magazine/baltimore-tragedy-crime.html |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 9:55:22 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fRedr: This site is great for that... When describing it to others, I usually describe it as a cross between an ar15 forum and an old ladies knitting circle (with purse swinging). https://nnimgt-a.akamaihd.net/transform/v1/crop/frm/elijah.macchia/18e548d8-5cc5-4092-bf87-9b444bff5c87.jpg/r0_0_2200_1462_w1200_h678_fmax.jpg SIIHPAPP Stick it in her pincushion & post pics. Pics of knitting basket? |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 9:55:57 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MRTsHaircut: And that is exactly how you get Balkanized. Alienate an entire segment of your community, destroy institutions of law and order and drive away businesses. Good luck with that. Some Community is going to benefit when the productive refugees move. An amicable divorce might be our best option. Assuming it is actually an option. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 9:56:25 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miami_JBT: Shit..... I was telling people four years ago not to look into LE work as a career. Now.... I tell them to run, run as far away as possible. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miami_JBT: Originally Posted By FistPeso: Originally Posted By j_smith_3rd: They don't want a soft police department. They want complete militarization; except with them using the police as attack dogs against us. Looting, pillaging, impeding the free travel of the citizenry, shutting down lanes of commerce, committing organized arson, paying for violence, flinging shit at police, smashing everything in sight, and generally looking like prison uprising is protected free speech that needs to be met with empathy and understanding. Show solidarity with the Antifa Terror Network by taking a knee. These same folks will endorse jack boot military take downs of every hard working, tax paying, utterly compliant gun owner for the 'Fascist Crime' of thinking the above is ridiculous. I WOULD NOT advise my children to pursue careers in law enforcement. So tomorrow's PD will be comprised of leftovers controlled by Commissars, backed by mayors who kneel before rioting terrorists. Imagine how secure voting will be! My son is interested in law enforcement. We had this conversation last night, he is backing away after seeing the bullshit happening around the country. Couldn’t disagree more. Now more than ever, we need good, moral and upstanding people with character entering the departments. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 9:57:07 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ErikInAZ: People should remember that police REGULARLY see and interact with people during the WORST MOMENTS of their lives. No matter how good their (the police) training, how thorough, how complete, it will not prepare them for every eventuality, and most of these interactions will be emotionally charged. Police will make mistakes. They are human. It is very easy to Monday Morning QB. This doesn't excuse abhorrent behavior. But it is something to keep in mind. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ErikInAZ: Originally Posted By AZNetEng: You have quite a few opinions. Do you have any direct experience to back them up? Serious question. Intel gathering and observation? What constitutes a mob? Ever taken someone into custody? Ever engaged in physical struggle with a person on drugs? Even been in fight or flight mode for any reason? Your posts seem laden with emotion. I get it. This is a difficult time. This does not change the fact that opinion without experience is wishful thinking. It is easy to ascribe motive to action when we are commenting out of fear and anger. Police work is not pretty all the time. There are times in fact that it is damn ugly. Not every interaction ends in unicorn farts and rainbows, nor does it end in someone dying or even in custody. Some of what we have been shown looks heinous, and does not portray LEO in a good light at all. This coming on the heels of some ridiculous enforcement of emergency orders seems designed to turn the average citizen against cops everywhere. Give that some thought. The MSM decides what to show you. The YouTuber's edit their video before they upload it. WE decide to get spun up about it and react emotionally to it. Sometimes we see ourselves in that spot and realize that it could happen to us. We know we are good people and wouldn't deserve that treatment. Tone deaf should be used to describe someone who isn't listening at all, not someone who disagrees with your solution. People should remember that police REGULARLY see and interact with people during the WORST MOMENTS of their lives. No matter how good their (the police) training, how thorough, how complete, it will not prepare them for every eventuality, and most of these interactions will be emotionally charged. Police will make mistakes. They are human. It is very easy to Monday Morning QB. This doesn't excuse abhorrent behavior. But it is something to keep in mind. </sarcasm> |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 9:57:35 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By togadelic: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/152525/6ace48af8059de9fa20142a32ae07fb24da035b6-1452608.JPG lol THIS IS NOT MOMENT OF SILENCE They are reenacting the murder! EVIL oh man Was Chauvin just taking a knee? |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 9:57:52 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By togadelic: lol maybe potus will get us out of the un now https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/152525/54a6df290d5467d08f79a12903cd6731f0d14ddf-1452583.JPG https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/george-floyd-protests-man-accused-driving-into-seattle-crowd-shooting-protester/ZADKR7FZ35GIPM62FQNBS7RPPI/  Attached Filehttps://www.breitbart.com/politics/2015/10/02/obama-administration-and-un-announce-global-police-force-to-fight-extremism-in-u-s/  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:01:45 AM EST
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So. A friend of mine showed me the speech their CEO is requiring all senior management to give today during the funeral.
If white, they have to acknowledge the pain and suffering they have caused. He has to acknowledge the black people that work for him and apologize to them.They have to enforce and hour of silence during the funeral. No work, no talking. They have to mention the names of the black people killed by police that have been cycling through the media. He has to kneel while doing all of this. I shit you not, the speech even has "hope and change" written into it at the end. In addition, they have to offer all employees the time off to go to the funeral (Houston office) and all employees nationwide the next two days off to grieve. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:02:32 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miami_JBT: @ErikInAZ, they aren't the RINOs. We are. The GOP is not a party of Pro Constitutional Small Government Fiscally Responsible Government. When a Republican Supermajority controlled State Legislature and Governor's office submitted, passed, and signed into law gun control. That sends a message that folks like you or I aren't the base of the party and they don't give a fuck about us. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miami_JBT: Originally Posted By ErikInAZ: Originally Posted By Miami_JBT: Originally Posted By ErikInAZ: Originally Posted By spartacus2002: Back when the FL legislature was flirting with the idea of legalizing open carry, our Sheriff publicly told the press that if it passed, he would issue an SOP that if his deputies found someone legally open carrying then they were to prone the person out at gunpoint, cuff them and disarm them, and THEN figure out if they were up to no good or were a prohibited person. So I'm leaning toward thinking he doesn't really want an organized local militia backing up his deputies. Nor does he deserve one. Is that sheriff still in office? If so, that seems to be problem #1 to address before and worst case at the next election. He will affect you and yours more than whoever gets elected for the House or Senate, and maybe even more than who gets elected president, since he sets the direction for local LE and is your highest local elected official. @ErikInAZ https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/05/04/article-2139555-12ECED9B000005DC-396_468x318.jpg https://s7d2.scene7.com/is/image/TWCNews/0310_bn9_bob-gualtieri-floridagopjpg Well then it looks like you folks in Florida have your work cut out for you. Get rid of those RINO's. Organize. Take Action. Throw their asses OUT! Whatever it takes, at this point. You need Constitutional Carry. @ErikInAZ, they aren't the RINOs. We are. The GOP is not a party of Pro Constitutional Small Government Fiscally Responsible Government. When a Republican Supermajority controlled State Legislature and Governor's office submitted, passed, and signed into law gun control. That sends a message that folks like you or I aren't the base of the party and they don't give a fuck about us. Then form a new party. The “Conservative Party” or “Constitutional Party”. But I disagree that we are not the base. We are. They just don’t choose to represent us, (they sold their votes to the highest bidders), and we haven’t chosen to replace treasonous representatives. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:06:12 AM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ErikInAZ: Couldn’t disagree more. Now more than ever, we need good, moral and upstanding people with character entering the departments. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ErikInAZ: Originally Posted By Miami_JBT: Originally Posted By FistPeso: Originally Posted By j_smith_3rd: They don't want a soft police department. They want complete militarization; except with them using the police as attack dogs against us. Looting, pillaging, impeding the free travel of the citizenry, shutting down lanes of commerce, committing organized arson, paying for violence, flinging shit at police, smashing everything in sight, and generally looking like prison uprising is protected free speech that needs to be met with empathy and understanding. Show solidarity with the Antifa Terror Network by taking a knee. These same folks will endorse jack boot military take downs of every hard working, tax paying, utterly compliant gun owner for the 'Fascist Crime' of thinking the above is ridiculous. I WOULD NOT advise my children to pursue careers in law enforcement. So tomorrow's PD will be comprised of leftovers controlled by Commissars, backed by mayors who kneel before rioting terrorists. Imagine how secure voting will be! My son is interested in law enforcement. We had this conversation last night, he is backing away after seeing the bullshit happening around the country. Couldn’t disagree more. Now more than ever, we need good, moral and upstanding people with character entering the departments. Those good, moral, and upstanding people will be demonized, have their lives destroyed, be charged with various crimes. All of those things are best case scenario, worst is they will be gunned down, burned in their own homes by mobs of terrorists. The underlying problem is politicians. We need good, moral, upstanding people with character in elected offices. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:08:27 AM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By togadelic: fucking gave up to fbho fucking rino https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/152525/f467a0d75a92fa036ec76da7e977b433ef92b8c7-1451900.JPG
Mittens going where the political winds blow desperately trying to keep relevant. 
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:09:01 AM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZNetEng: We know we are good people You are intimately familiar with the Kathryn Johnston case? Even "good people" lie to cover up, but they are still good people right? You are intimately familiar with the Martinez family in Denver? Good people? No one was fired, no one went to prison. They investigated themselves and found no wrongdoing, even though they had the wrong house and lied with felony charges against some to cover up their actions. Some were even promoted. Just the other day someone here said the whole "we investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing" doesn't exist. It seems he was mistaken because I can post lots of newspaper articles stating exactly that. $1.6 million payout and we did nothing wrong. We are all good people. And not a single cop told the truth. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:09:34 AM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miami_JBT: People do get the government they deserve and the majority of Floridians don't give a shit about gun rights. The State Senate's most Conservative Pro Gun member told me flat out that he never sees gun owners at the Capitol lobbying and politicking for gun rights. As such, the Republicans believe they have the full support of the people when it comes to pushing gun control. Moms Demand Action always show up in droves while gun owners come in in a tiny trickle. Then it seems conservatives there have fallen for the idea that “it doesn’t do any good” to petition their government, just as politicians wanted them to. After their requests and petitions are IGNORED over and over, they apparently gave up. And since most are of the “live and let live until it affects me” mindset, they get doubly eff’d. I do not believe that “the majority of Floridans dont give a shit about gun rights”, but if that is true, they will soon. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:09:53 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FistPeso: My son is interested in law enforcement. We had this conversation last night, he is backing away after seeing the bullshit happening around the country. Engineering |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:11:36 AM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: I really want to believe that what we are witnessing represents the smallest but most vocal of sorry ass my girl lost voters. When you look at who is out in the streets causing all the commotion - I see mostly the unemployed. Students mostly. At best- they have jobs as baristas and uber drivers, maybe. Employees, not owners. What I don't see are those who contribute to making America great...don't see tradesmen out there. We talk about that 13% number, but clearly the movement does NOT have the full support of even their own community. I think all this unrest is going to galvanize supporters of the President -- if he can just hold it together long enough to kick some ass. Mr. and Mrs. America aren't going to stand for this in the long run. I have faith. I agree, as long as there are no further black swans & Trump can avoid stepping in a serious cow pie between now & November. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:12:06 AM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ErikInAZ: Well then it looks like you folks in Florida have your work cut out for you. Get rid of those RINO's. Organize. Take Action. Throw their asses OUT! Whatever it takes, at this point. You need Constitutional Carry. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ErikInAZ: Originally Posted By Miami_JBT: Originally Posted By ErikInAZ: Originally Posted By spartacus2002: Back when the FL legislature was flirting with the idea of legalizing open carry, our Sheriff publicly told the press that if it passed, he would issue an SOP that if his deputies found someone legally open carrying then they were to prone the person out at gunpoint, cuff them and disarm them, and THEN figure out if they were up to no good or were a prohibited person. So I'm leaning toward thinking he doesn't really want an organized local militia backing up his deputies. Nor does he deserve one. Is that sheriff still in office? If so, that seems to be problem #1 to address before and worst case at the next election. He will affect you and yours more than whoever gets elected for the House or Senate, and maybe even more than who gets elected president, since he sets the direction for local LE and is your highest local elected official. @ErikInAZ https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/05/04/article-2139555-12ECED9B000005DC-396_468x318.jpg https://s7d2.scene7.com/is/image/TWCNews/0310_bn9_bob-gualtieri-floridagopjpg Well then it looks like you folks in Florida have your work cut out for you. Get rid of those RINO's. Organize. Take Action. Throw their asses OUT! Whatever it takes, at this point. You need Constitutional Carry. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:12:27 AM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glck1911: So. A friend of mine showed me the speech their CEO is requiring all senior management to give today during the funeral. If white, they have to acknowledge the pain and suffering they have caused. He has to acknowledge the black people that work for him and apologize to them.They have to enforce and hour of silence during the funeral. No work, no talking. They have to mention the names of the black people killed by police that have been cycling through the media. He has to kneel while doing all of this. I shit you not, the speech even has "hope and change" written into it at the end. In addition, they have to offer all employees the time off to go to the funeral (Houston office) and all employees nationwide the next two days off to grieve. Grieve while fishing or something like that? |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:12:59 AM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ErikInAZ: Couldn’t disagree more. Now more than ever, we need good, moral and upstanding people with character entering the departments. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ErikInAZ: Originally Posted By Miami_JBT: Originally Posted By FistPeso: Originally Posted By j_smith_3rd: They don't want a soft police department. They want complete militarization; except with them using the police as attack dogs against us. Looting, pillaging, impeding the free travel of the citizenry, shutting down lanes of commerce, committing organized arson, paying for violence, flinging shit at police, smashing everything in sight, and generally looking like prison uprising is protected free speech that needs to be met with empathy and understanding. Show solidarity with the Antifa Terror Network by taking a knee. These same folks will endorse jack boot military take downs of every hard working, tax paying, utterly compliant gun owner for the 'Fascist Crime' of thinking the above is ridiculous. I WOULD NOT advise my children to pursue careers in law enforcement. So tomorrow's PD will be comprised of leftovers controlled by Commissars, backed by mayors who kneel before rioting terrorists. Imagine how secure voting will be! My son is interested in law enforcement. We had this conversation last night, he is backing away after seeing the bullshit happening around the country. Couldn’t disagree more. Now more than ever, we need good, moral and upstanding people with character entering the departments. No smart one is going to commit employment suicide just because society demand's what you want, but won't provide the backing as well. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:14:57 AM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TripleC: Many more Black folk hold this position but cant say shit because of the violent loud assholes. They can say whatever they want. They don't want to. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:14:57 AM EST
[Last Edit: dannylgriffin]
[#44]
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:16:02 AM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ErikInAZ: What’s that saying? People get the government they deserve... Vote (or force) them out. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ErikInAZ: Originally Posted By Miami_JBT: Originally Posted By spartacus2002: Originally Posted By ben123: This is what we need to do . I don't if it violates COC but I'm gunna say it: We need to fucking grow some balls, get behind our police (organize with police, cooperate with, what ever that looks like), activate organized local militia and come up against these fucks with numbers. Display that they won't have thier way and burn our country. Enough is going to be enough eventually. When this has to happen I don't know but I would encourage you, start having serious conversations with LEO's, military friends, like minded sane people and start planning for the "what ifs ?" Back when the FL legislature was flirting with the idea of legalizing open carry, our Sheriff publicly told the press that if it passed, he would issue an SOP that if his deputies found someone legally open carrying then they were to prone the person out at gunpoint, cuff them and disarm them, and THEN figure out if they were up to no good or were a prohibited person. So I'm leaning toward thinking he doesn't really want an organized local militia backing up his deputies. Nor does he deserve one. What’s that saying? People get the government they deserve... Vote (or force) them out. Voter fraud is real. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:16:08 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spartacus2002: this needs to be burned into everyone's brain here. Maybe in rural Wyoming it is, but today that's the exception not the rule. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spartacus2002: Originally Posted By Miami_JBT: The GOP is not a party of Pro Constitutional Small Government Fiscally Responsible Government. . this needs to be burned into everyone's brain here. Maybe in rural Wyoming it is, but today that's the exception not the rule. Do you believe that? That the GOP is not a party of Pro Constitutional Small Government / Fiscally Responsible Government? Or that the politicians in elected GOP positions do not represent the GOP base’s beliefs in a Pro Constitutional Small Government / Fiscally Responsible Government? Because if it is the GOP party at issue, we need a new party. If it is just the ”leaders”, we just need to remove the elected officials. If it is the party, then what you’re saying is that only a tiny fraction of the country actually believes in the country as founded. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:16:42 AM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By togadelic: lol maybe potus will get us out of the un now https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/152525/54a6df290d5467d08f79a12903cd6731f0d14ddf-1452583.JPG https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/george-floyd-protests-man-accused-driving-into-seattle-crowd-shooting-protester/ZADKR7FZ35GIPM62FQNBS7RPPI/ We are the UN |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:17:51 AM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dannylgriffin: You are intimately familiar with the Kathryn Johnston case? Even "good people" lie to cover up, but they are still good people right? You are intimately familiar with the Martinez family in Denver? Good people? No one was fired, no one went to prison. They investigated themselves and found no wrongdoing, even though they had the wrong house and lied with felony charges against some to cover up their actions. Some were even promoted. Just the other day someone here said the whole "we investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing" doesn't exist. It seems he was mistaken because I can post lots of newspaper articles stating exactly that. $1.6 million payout and we did nothing wrong. We are all good people. And not a single cop told the truth. Just wait until the community services law and order city council groups start their activities. |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:18:56 AM EST
[#49]
No traffic stops, street outreach teams, unionized sex workers and burglaries resolved by restorative justice: The vision of BLM activists for how to defund and replace traditional police
Among plans from activists to replace police are; Mental health responders to attend mental health crisis in place of armed police Street outreach teams, more shelters and affordable housing to help solve homelessness and stop the homeless from being criminalized Traffic stops to be eliminated entirely, with traffic violations dealt with via. mail Community members to attend domestic violence calls, to help intervene and establish long-term safety for the individuals Specialized physical and emotional support for victims of sexual violence Investing in prevention of sex trafficking to end economic and social conditions that lead to deeply rooted vulnerabilities The legalization of marijuana to stop incarceration for the 'harmless' drug Better handling of drug offences to stop 'criminalizing of communities of color' Decriminalization of sex work and formation of an independent union to ensure individuals have insurance, child care and safety precautions Restorative justice (meetings between victim and offender) to be used to deal with property crimes such as theft and burglary  Lisa Bender, president of the Minneapolis City council said councillors were committed to dismantling policing 'as we know it', and replacing it with 'Housing, health care, education' State and local governments spent $115 billion on policing in 2017, according to data compiled by the Urban Institute. Lisa Bender, president of the Minneapolis City council told CNN yesterday: 'I just stood with total of nine members of Minneapolis city council and we committed to dismantling policing as we know it in the city of Minneapolis and to rebuild with our community a new model of public safety that actually keeps our community safe.' Bender said the city, with a billion dollar annual budget, had analysed 911 calls to determine what help people in Minneapolis were calling for, they found most people needed mental health services, health services, EMTs or fire services - not an armed police officer. She added: 'Housing, health care, education, all of it together that helps keep our communities safe, and to really work with our community over the next year so imagine what that looks like to build that system, including everyone. Continued |
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Posted: 6/8/2020 10:19:39 AM EST
[Last Edit: MRTsHaircut]
[#50]
Originally Posted By sherrick13: You think the "we investigated ourselves and found nothing wrong" is bad now? Just wait until the community services law and order city council groups start their activities. You mean the “safety committees”. Yes revolutionary France had them as well. They usually resulted in property confiscation and beheading at plazza de concord |
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