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Posted: 4/28/2024 8:34:23 PM EDT
Two climbers roped to each other fell about 1,000 feet from Mount Johnson in Denali National Park and Preserve in Alaska, killing one and seriously injuring the other.
https://www.newser.com/story/349614/roped-climbers-fall-1k-feet-in-alaska-killing-one-of-them.html?utm_source=sundaysummary&utm_medium=email&utm_content=18638499348246281434&utm_campaign=20240428 |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 8:37:50 PM EDT
[#1]
I'm impressed the female has survived so far.
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PA, USA
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Posted: 4/28/2024 8:39:17 PM EDT
[#2]
I’d hate to speculate, yet I can’t help it. If you’re going to climb, find an at least equal partner.
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Posted: 4/28/2024 8:40:52 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LittleBigHorn: I’d hate to speculate, yet I can’t help it. If you’re going to climb, find an at least equal partner. They both fell. Sounds equal. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 4/28/2024 8:41:52 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bellows1: They both fell. Sounds equal. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bellows1: Originally Posted By LittleBigHorn: I’d hate to speculate, yet I can’t help it. If you’re going to climb, find an at least equal partner. They both fell. Sounds equal. Yea dude, you should climb something. Not really how it works. |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 4/28/2024 8:43:41 PM EDT
[#5]
Well they were roped together so if 1 goes they both go.
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Posted: 4/28/2024 8:46:12 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LittleBigHorn: Yea dude, you should climb something. Not really how it works. Using your logic Pete Schoening would never get to climb with anyone. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 8:46:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Bourbonator]
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bellows1: They both fell. Sounds equal. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bellows1: Originally Posted By LittleBigHorn: I’d hate to speculate, yet I can’t help it. If you’re going to climb, find an at least equal partner. They both fell. Sounds equal. They were roped up. Unless you're awesome at self arresting, if you go, your partner's going, too. ETA - it's my assumption they were mountaineering, not rock climbing. They probably didn't have any more protection than an ice screw or a picket here and there. Running belays are inherently dangerous. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 4/28/2024 8:49:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: LittleBigHorn]
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naffenea: Using your logic Pete Schoening would never get to climb with anyone. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naffenea: Originally Posted By LittleBigHorn: Yea dude, you should climb something. Not really how it works. Using your logic Pete Schoening would never get to climb with anyone. He consistently had near peer climbing partners. 100% that added to his success. Your post makes no sense. Do go on. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 8:52:33 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bourbonator: They were roped up. Unless you're awesome at self arresting, if you go, your partner's going, too. ETA - it's my assumption they were mountaineering, not rock climbing. They probably didn't have any more protection than an ice screw or a picket here and there. Running belays are inherently dangerous. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bourbonator: Originally Posted By Bellows1: Originally Posted By LittleBigHorn: I’d hate to speculate, yet I can’t help it. If you’re going to climb, find an at least equal partner. They both fell. Sounds equal. They were roped up. Unless you're awesome at self arresting, if you go, your partner's going, too. ETA - it's my assumption they were mountaineering, not rock climbing. They probably didn't have any more protection than an ice screw or a picket here and there. Running belays are inherently dangerous. So what’s the point of roping together? |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 8:53:22 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UTex86: So what’s the point of roping together? No one wants to die alone |
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USA
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Posted: 4/28/2024 8:54:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Robertpistol]
[#11]
At least with those winged suit videos we got to see where the failure was at.
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PA, USA
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Posted: 4/28/2024 8:55:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: LittleBigHorn]
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UTex86: So what’s the point of roping together? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UTex86: Originally Posted By Bourbonator: Originally Posted By Bellows1: Originally Posted By LittleBigHorn: I’d hate to speculate, yet I can’t help it. If you’re going to climb, find an at least equal partner. They both fell. Sounds equal. They were roped up. Unless you're awesome at self arresting, if you go, your partner's going, too. ETA - it's my assumption they were mountaineering, not rock climbing. They probably didn't have any more protection than an ice screw or a picket here and there. Running belays are inherently dangerous. So what’s the point of roping together? If you have a partner with equal or greater climbing experience, self arresting and even crevasse rescue greatly increases chances of survival. I do mountaineering in 3 man teams, I get that this was an easy alpine pass so 2 people made sense, but if you aren’t at least equal, it no longer does. For belaying, if you have a weaker or drastically lighter belayer on top or bottom rope belay, it’s a life and death matter. It’s just fucking dumb. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 8:55:24 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LittleBigHorn: Yea dude, you should climb something. Not really how it works. Well, tell me who fell and who was supposed to stop them. Did the incompetent woman fall and the compenent man fail to stop her? Or did the competent man fall and the incompement woman fail to stop him? Either way your speculation is dumb. A tether means you'll both survive or you'll both fall. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 4/28/2024 8:56:40 PM EDT
[#14]
Out on mountain climbing.
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PA, USA
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Posted: 4/28/2024 8:58:09 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bellows1: Well, tell me who fell and who was supposed to stop them. Did the incompetent woman fall and the compenent man fail to stop her? Or did the competent man fall and the incompement woman fail to stop him? Either way your speculation is dumb. A tether means you'll both survive or you'll both fall. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bellows1: Originally Posted By LittleBigHorn: Yea dude, you should climb something. Not really how it works. Well, tell me who fell and who was supposed to stop them. Did the incompetent woman fall and the compenent man fail to stop her? Or did the competent man fall and the incompement woman fail to stop him? Either way your speculation is dumb. A tether means you'll both survive or you'll both fall. You obviously have zero experience in any kind of climbing, and quite frankly, based on your post attacking me, it’s kind of pointless for me to explain the specifics as you’re likely never to do any of this. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 9:01:01 PM EDT
[#16]
Big mountains, big risk.
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Posted: 4/28/2024 9:03:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FistPeso]
[#17]
The fallen climber.
Mecus, 52, from Keene Valley, New York, was an outspoken advocate for expanding the presence of fellow transgender people in alpine climbing. In 2022, she co-founded Queer Ice Fest in the Adirondack Mountains of her adopted hometown, and the event earlier this year was its third annual happening. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 9:04:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ropie]
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bellows1: Well, tell me who fell and who was supposed to stop them. Did the incompetent woman fall and the compenent man fail to stop her? Or did the competent man fall and the incompement woman fail to stop him? Either way your speculation is dumb. A tether means you'll both survive or you'll both fall. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bellows1: Originally Posted By LittleBigHorn: Yea dude, you should climb something. Not really how it works. Well, tell me who fell and who was supposed to stop them. Did the incompetent woman fall and the compenent man fail to stop her? Or did the competent man fall and the incompement woman fail to stop him? Either way your speculation is dumb. A tether means you'll both survive or you'll both fall. Both were female. Deceased is a NYSDEC Ranger who worked in the High Peaks area https://www.facebook.com/groups/aspiring46ers/permalink/10160557424089998/ |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 9:09:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JoseCuervo]
[#19]
LBH, you went from not wanting to speculate, to somewhere way else pretty quickly, and did so as a bit of a jerk.
Did you have a specific point in your commentary? |
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USA
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Posted: 4/28/2024 9:09:48 PM EDT
[#20]
:max_bytes(150000):strip_icc():focal(749x0:751x2)/Mt-Johnson-042724-2-18e7b07a29144c8ba1a7f4ee5e01c05f.jpg) The "Escalator" route on Mount Johnson, according to the NPS. PHOTO: NPS.GOV :max_bytes(150000):strip_icc():focal(665x0:667x2)/Mt-Johnson-042724-3ffa85f16dcd4262b099d1ad1920be57.jpg) The "Escalator" route on Mt. Johnson. The "X" indicates the approximate location of the rescue of the surviving climber, the NPS said. NPS.GOV One mountain climber is dead and another is injured after the two-person team fell 1,000 feet while climbing in Alaska on April 25. According to a press release from the National Park Service, two climbers — identified on April 27 as 52-year-old Robbi Mecus and an unnamed 30-year-old California woman — were attempting to scale Mount Johnson, an 8,400-foot peak in Denali National Park, when they fell, resulting in the death of Mecus and the other woman sustaining serious traumatic injuries. According to a previous press release from the NPS, the two climbers were attempting to take a route up the mountain known as "the Escalator" at Preserve's Ruth Gorge, which involved a "steep and technical" 5,000-foot climb amid rocks, ice and snow on the southeastern side of the peak. https://people.com/climber-dead-after-2-person-team-falls-1000-feet-off-mountain-alaska-8640093 |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 9:14:33 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LittleBigHorn: You obviously have zero experience in any kind of climbing, and quite frankly, based on your post attacking me, it’s kind of pointless for me to explain the specifics as you’re likely never to do any of this. I didn't attack you. You came out with a dumb comment about 2 people you know nothing about, or their climbing experience and implied it was the woman's fault. So answer the question. Who was incompetent, the one that fell or the one that didn't catch the one that fell? |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 4/28/2024 9:19:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: LittleBigHorn]
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bellows1: I didn't attack you. You came out with a dumb comment about 2 people you know nothing about, or their climbing experience and implied it was the woman's fault. So answer the question. Who was incompetent, the one that fell or the one that didn't catch the one that fell? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bellows1: Originally Posted By LittleBigHorn: You obviously have zero experience in any kind of climbing, and quite frankly, based on your post attacking me, it’s kind of pointless for me to explain the specifics as you’re likely never to do any of this. I didn't attack you. You came out with a dumb comment about 2 people you know nothing about, or their climbing experience and implied it was the woman's fault. So answer the question. Who was incompetent, the one that fell or the one that didn't catch the one that fell? LOL surely you can back up what you just stated in a thread with like 15 replies. Yet sometimes the stories write themselves, because things are just, well, predictable. How many summits do you have? |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 4/28/2024 9:24:39 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FistPeso: The fallen climber. Mecus, 52, from Keene Valley, New York, was an outspoken advocate for expanding the presence of fellow transgender people in alpine climbing. In 2022, she co-founded Queer Ice Fest in the Adirondack Mountains of her adopted hometown, and the event earlier this year was its third annual happening. So you’re saying there’s a 40% chance this wasn’t an accident? |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 9:26:54 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LittleBigHorn: I’d hate to speculate, yet I can’t help it. If you’re going to climb, find an at least equal partner. And yet, here you are. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 4/28/2024 9:27:36 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ropie: Both were female. Deceased is a NYSDEC Ranger who worked in the High Peaks area https://www.facebook.com/groups/aspiring46ers/permalink/10160557424089998/ Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ropie: Originally Posted By Bellows1: Originally Posted By LittleBigHorn: Yea dude, you should climb something. Not really how it works. Well, tell me who fell and who was supposed to stop them. Did the incompetent woman fall and the compenent man fail to stop her? Or did the competent man fall and the incompement woman fail to stop him? Either way your speculation is dumb. A tether means you'll both survive or you'll both fall. Both were female. Deceased is a NYSDEC Ranger who worked in the High Peaks area https://www.facebook.com/groups/aspiring46ers/permalink/10160557424089998/ 
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Posted: 4/28/2024 9:28:28 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Millennial: https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/028/596/dsmGaKWMeHXe9QuJtq_ys30PNfTGnMsRuHuo_MUzGCg.jpg Guess I missed the transgender part…. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 9:29:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BillofRights]
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naffenea: I'm impressed the female has survived so far. Nevermind. Not even sure if bio-female. Breeding project on hold. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 9:30:50 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UTex86: So what’s the point of roping together? In some stretches, it's the mere illusion of safety. Sometimes, faster to stay roped, rather than slowing down and splitting your fates. Slabs cut. Rockfall hazards. Avalanche from above. Who knows? |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 4/28/2024 9:32:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: LittleBigHorn]
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By L_JE: And yet, here you are. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By L_JE: Originally Posted By LittleBigHorn: I’d hate to speculate, yet I can’t help it. If you’re going to climb, find an at least equal partner. And yet, here you are. And yet my speculation is spot on. Weird. Sometimes subject experience matters, who would have thought? |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 9:33:33 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LittleBigHorn: You obviously have zero experience in any kind of climbing, and quite frankly, based on your post attacking me, it’s kind of pointless for me to explain the specifics as you’re likely never to do any of this. Grow up. You made a dumb comment, and people are going to call you out on it, because, while climbers the might not be, they do recognize stupid when they read it. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 4/28/2024 9:34:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: LittleBigHorn]
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By L_JE: Grow up. You made a dumb comment, and people are going to call you out on it, because, while climbers the might not be, they do recognize stupid when they read it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By L_JE: Originally Posted By LittleBigHorn: You obviously have zero experience in any kind of climbing, and quite frankly, based on your post attacking me, it’s kind of pointless for me to explain the specifics as you’re likely never to do any of this. Grow up. You made a dumb comment, and people are going to call you out on it, because, while climbers the might not be, they do recognize stupid when they read it. lol and yet I still sit here being 100% correct. Yep, so dumb. I should stop these summits and listen to this site. They obviously know better. Or not. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 9:34:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Storm6436]
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LittleBigHorn: LOL surely you can back up what you just stated in a thread with like 15 replies. Yet sometimes the stories write themselves, because things are just, well, predictable. How many summits do you have? Evidently summiting mountains helps you look down on people instead of acting like an adult... *golfclap* Is there any particular reason you think misdirection via dick measuring contest invalidates questioning the assumptions inherent to your initial position? |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 9:35:51 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LittleBigHorn: LOL surely you can back up what you just stated in a thread with like 15 replies. Yet sometimes the stories write themselves, because things are just, well, predictable. How many summits do you have? I concede you are the expert, no argument. Since they were both woman, I guess you were correct. It was the womans fault. My apologies. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 9:36:46 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LittleBigHorn: And yet my speculation is spot on. Weird. Sometimes subject experience matters, who would have thought? I have yet to read any technical details on the accident. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 4/28/2024 9:36:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: LittleBigHorn]
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Storm6436: Evidently summiting mountains helps you look down on people instead of acting like an adult... *golfclap* Is there any particular reason you think misdirection via dick measuring contest makes questioning the assumptions inherent to your initial position invalid? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Storm6436: Originally Posted By LittleBigHorn: LOL surely you can back up what you just stated in a thread with like 15 replies. Yet sometimes the stories write themselves, because things are just, well, predictable. How many summits do you have? Evidently summiting mountains helps you look down on people instead of acting like an adult... *golfclap* Is there any particular reason you think misdirection via dick measuring contest makes questioning the assumptions inherent to your initial position invalid? Okay, let me explain it to the people who don’t know, and this applies to more than just mountaineering, but it will be directed towards mountaineering. When you bring a far less experienced person on a climb, the vast majority of the time, the more experienced person is actually putting themselves at a higher risk than the new person. I highly prefer a 3 man team, it helps to overcome a lot of mishaps. Again, I get the 2 man ascent for this climb, but you have to be equally experienced and worthy. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 9:38:03 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bellows1: I concede you are the expert, no argument. Since they were both woman, I guess you were correct. It was the womans fault. My apologies. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bellows1: Originally Posted By LittleBigHorn: LOL surely you can back up what you just stated in a thread with like 15 replies. Yet sometimes the stories write themselves, because things are just, well, predictable. How many summits do you have? I concede you are the expert, no argument. Since they were both woman, I guess you were correct. It was the womans fault. My apologies. Everybody is glossing over the fact that at least one of them, was a man. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 9:38:40 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LittleBigHorn: lol and yet I still sit here being 100% correct. Yep, so dumb. I should stop these summits and listen to this site. They obviously know better. Or not. Ok, so what were the details that led to the fall? |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 9:42:37 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By L_JE: Ok, so what were the details that led to the fall? Don't question the experts!! Inexperienced climbers can only climb with Inexperienced climbers. It makes perfect sense if you think about it. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/28/2024 9:48:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SteelonSteel]
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bourbonator: They were roped up. Unless you're awesome at self arresting, if you go, your partner's going, too. ETA - it's my assumption they were mountaineering, not rock climbing. They probably didn't have any more protection than an ice screw or a picket here and there. Running belays are inherently dangerous. Ice climbing is what I heard |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 9:48:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FistPeso]
[#40]
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Posted: 4/28/2024 10:05:01 PM EDT
[#41]
@LittleBigHorn
If you can point to the technical details of this accident, I'm all ears. This happened on Thursday. Today is Sunday. The surviving That would be some fast-traveling news, especially with such implications. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 4/28/2024 10:05:44 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UTex86: So what’s the point of roping together? The White Spider Heinrich Herrier always climbed alone. When the Japanese team racing him up the north face of the Eiger Nordwand fell to their deaths he wrote in his climbing diary… Theres a bit of a nip in the air today. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 10:07:11 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eolian: The White Spider Heinrich Herrier always climbed alone. When the Japanese team racing him up the north face of the Eiger Nordwand fell to their deaths he wrote in his climbing diary… Theres a bit of a nip in the air today. Savage |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 11:00:21 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SteelonSteel: Ice climbing is what I heard via peeps at my former work. The deceased was employed by the agency I used to work at. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SteelonSteel: Originally Posted By Bourbonator: They were roped up. Unless you're awesome at self arresting, if you go, your partner's going, too. ETA - it's my assumption they were mountaineering, not rock climbing. They probably didn't have any more protection than an ice screw or a picket here and there. Running belays are inherently dangerous. Ice climbing is what I heard via peeps at my former work. The deceased was employed by the agency I used to work at. Interesting. From the pictures of the route in this thread, it looks like a lot of mixed climbing. Maybe it's because I'm on my phone, but I can't find the route on summitpost or mountainproject. I'm sure the NPS will eventually publish some details of the accident, or maybe it'll be in the AAJ's Accidents next year. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 4/28/2024 11:03:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/28/2024 11:08:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Edge-To-Life]
[#46]
The one who died was a NY Forrest Ranger in the high peaks of the ADK and an experienced climber. Sad
The sight where they climbed and the Ranger died.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 11:26:52 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FistPeso: The fallen climber. Mecus, 52, from Keene Valley, New York, was an outspoken advocate for expanding the presence of fellow transgender people in alpine climbing. In 2022, she co-founded Queer Ice Fest in the Adirondack Mountains of her adopted hometown, and the event earlier this year was its third annual happening. My give ‘o fuck just fell off a mountain. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 11:28:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SamuelHyde]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Millennial: So you’re saying there’s a 40% chance this wasn’t an accident? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Millennial: Originally Posted By FistPeso: The fallen climber. Mecus, 52, from Keene Valley, New York, was an outspoken advocate for expanding the presence of fellow transgender people in alpine climbing. In 2022, she co-founded Queer Ice Fest in the Adirondack Mountains of her adopted hometown, and the event earlier this year was its third annual happening. So you’re saying there’s a 40% chance this wasn’t an accident?  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 11:35:18 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bourbonator: Interesting. From the pictures of the route in this thread, it looks like a lot of mixed climbing. Maybe it's because I'm on my phone, but I can't find the route on summitpost or mountainproject. I'm sure the NPS will eventually publish some details of the accident, or maybe it'll be in the AAJ's Accidents next year. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bourbonator: Originally Posted By SteelonSteel: Originally Posted By Bourbonator: They were roped up. Unless you're awesome at self arresting, if you go, your partner's going, too. ETA - it's my assumption they were mountaineering, not rock climbing. They probably didn't have any more protection than an ice screw or a picket here and there. Running belays are inherently dangerous. Ice climbing is what I heard via peeps at my former work. The deceased was employed by the agency I used to work at. Interesting. From the pictures of the route in this thread, it looks like a lot of mixed climbing. Maybe it's because I'm on my phone, but I can't find the route on summitpost or mountainproject. I'm sure the NPS will eventually publish some details of the accident, or maybe it'll be in the AAJ's Accidents next year. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/28/2024 11:52:01 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FistPeso: The fallen climber. Mecus, 52, from Keene Valley, New York, was an outspoken advocate for expanding the presence of fellow transgender people in alpine climbing. In 2022, she co-founded Queer Ice Fest in the Adirondack Mountains of her adopted hometown, and the event earlier this year was its third annual happening. If we listen to the news you would transgender people are everywhere and a higher percentage of the population than they actually are. With that said did this person really need to be "outspoken" on the topic. How many transgender people want to be climbers. 
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