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Posted: 11/20/2022 5:48:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How is China going to "creep over the world"? Or is that different? Russia's military is a lot more garbage now that they're 1500 tanks shorter and 84k men lesser along with hundreds of planes, helicopters, drones, artillery pieces, and a couple trillion dollars. In 1938 germany wasn't equipped or capable of taking over the world, but in 1941 it was a lot better equipped. Then why would we crank up production to meet the demand? Doesn't make sense. Dang globalists aren't even on the same page with each other  Careful, your mental illness is showing.  You know what’s more funny than how easily people like you are played? The guy on the far right is 5’11” and the guy on the far left is 5’10”.   Attached File |
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Posted: 11/20/2022 5:50:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Careful, your mental illness is showing. You know what’s more funny than how easily people like you are played? The guy on the far right is 5’11” and the guy on the far left is 5’10”. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/240604/27E8EB67-78A6-49CE-9500-EBB345228471_jpe-2607909.JPG Speaking of mental illness... what does the height of the people in that picture have to do with anything? |
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Posted: 11/20/2022 6:47:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How is China going to "creep over the world"? Or is that different? Russia's military is a lot more garbage now that they're 1500 tanks shorter and 84k men lesser along with hundreds of planes, helicopters, drones, artillery pieces, and a couple trillion dollars. In 1938 germany wasn't equipped or capable of taking over the world, but in 1941 it was a lot better equipped. Then why would we crank up production to meet the demand? Doesn't make sense. Dang globalists aren't even on the same page with each other Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: JFC.  This retarded shit keeps getting regurgitated.How exactly is Russia going to “creep over the world”? Are they going to use their clunker Cold War era ground forces? Their aircraft that fall from the sky from the use of any modern AA weapon? Or maybe, it’ll be their floating shipwrecks of a Navy that’s going to take over the world? Here’s some news for you out of this century. Russia’s military is garbage and has been garbage for many decades. They spend NONE of their Defense budget for waging war outside their own borders and that’s why what you’re seeing is all they can do. And here’s some more news for you, if you can pull yourself away from the All in the Family reruns, the douchebag Europussy countries, like Denmark, don’t need to be on US taxpayer welfare for their Defense from the Russian boogieman. The EU countries alone have a GDP that’s nearly four times Russia’s GDP. You’ve been duped. How is China going to "creep over the world"? Or is that different? Russia's military is a lot more garbage now that they're 1500 tanks shorter and 84k men lesser along with hundreds of planes, helicopters, drones, artillery pieces, and a couple trillion dollars. In 1938 germany wasn't equipped or capable of taking over the world, but in 1941 it was a lot better equipped. Quoted: Kinda makes sense from a Globalist perspective that the one country you need to neuter would voluntarily do that with some "crucial war" that includes another large country that doesn't buy into the Globalist agenda. Then why would we crank up production to meet the demand? Doesn't make sense. Dang globalists aren't even on the same page with each other Through their belt and road initiative they have created hundreds of enclaves and colonies in all but name throughout the world to include the in Caribbean and Latin America |
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Posted: 11/20/2022 6:50:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Careful, your mental illness is showing. You know what’s more funny than how easily people like you are played? The guy on the far right is 5’11” and the guy on the far left is 5’10”. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/240604/27E8EB67-78A6-49CE-9500-EBB345228471_jpe-2607909.JPG You can almost see Mitchs' hand up his ass |
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Posted: 11/20/2022 6:57:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who needs artillery ammunition when our biggest national threat is climate change and the ultra MAGA folks? And not-gay gun owners, too. |
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Posted: 11/20/2022 7:03:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Through their belt and road initiative they have created hundreds of enclaves and colonies in all but name throughout the world to include the in Caribbean and Latin America For some reason GD’s only exposure to China, Mandarin or even Asia in general is Harbor Freight, Kong PAO chicken and making fun of Bruce Lee in MMA threads. |
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Posted: 11/20/2022 8:17:50 PM EDT
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"Quantity has a quality of its own"
- belligerent Georgian mustache man |
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Posted: 11/20/2022 8:21:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Now look at today. We have off shored or out of countried the vast majority of production or parts of production, we have intentionally shut down or eliminated some of our raw material production, we have, through social policies, eliminated a large percentage of the population from not only the military but also from the workforce and due to fictional climate and environmental policies have eliminated ourselves from ever being a production giant ever again. We basically do not even have a steel production of any meaningful amount in this country anymore, let alone electronics which we have basically abdicated to Asia. I have no doubt we would run out of everything really quick if we ever got into any kind of serious shooting war with a real opponent and not backward 3rd worlders in huts or jungles.  Attached FileLets see if the right people in Western governments realize this and respond accordingly. I have my doubts about this occurring in a timely manner given their more recent track record. |
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Posted: 11/20/2022 8:43:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can almost see Mitchs' hand up his ass Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Careful, your mental illness is showing. You know what’s more funny than how easily people like you are played? The guy on the far right is 5’11” and the guy on the far left is 5’10”. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/240604/27E8EB67-78A6-49CE-9500-EBB345228471_jpe-2607909.JPG You can almost see Mitchs' hand up his ass He’s wearing children’s shoes.  |
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Posted: 11/20/2022 9:02:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Through their belt and road initiative they have created hundreds of enclaves and colonies in all but name throughout the world to include the in Caribbean and Latin America He is so blinded by his fanaticism about the conflict in Ukraine, that he cannot differentiate between China’s and Russia’s capabilities, resources, ambitions, etc., at this point.  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 11/20/2022 9:09:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We turn out a batch every day I'd bet. No need to panic, the factories set up during WW2 are all still open, with women working the lines so the men can go and fight, turning out high quality 155mm shells by the thousands a day.  Not to mention mines all over public lands in the western US which provide key strategic minerals like tungsten and nickel and manganese. As you say, no need to worry. 
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Posted: 11/20/2022 9:10:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Amazing how both Koreas come to the rescue of both the US and Russia.  ETA: Beaten. |
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Posted: 11/20/2022 9:13:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah we should just let Russia creep over the world unchecked because we should keep our weapons locked in storage in pristine pretty rows instead of using them like they were meant to. Because the Russians can't be both. |
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Posted: 11/20/2022 11:08:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/21/2022 3:52:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Okay, let's make up our minds here: Is Russia a basket case of incompetence and corruption, unable to even subdue neighboring Ukraine? Or is the massive Red Army poised to make a push all the way to Paris by Christmas if we don't send Zelenskyy another $10 billion? Because the Russians can't be both. The Russian army in 1941 was a very different animal than 1945. So was the US army in 1941 vs 1945. Crushing them now and taking any direct, military action off the table for the next 10-15 years is a bargain. |
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Posted: 11/21/2022 2:31:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/26/2022 11:10:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/27/2022 6:01:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Through their belt and road initiative they have created hundreds of enclaves and colonies in all but name throughout the world to include the in Caribbean and Latin America Like Russia with their allies across the world? |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 6:04:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Careful, your mental illness is showing. You know what’s more funny than how easily people like you are played? The guy on the far right is 5’11” and the guy on the far left is 5’10”. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/240604/27E8EB67-78A6-49CE-9500-EBB345228471_jpe-2607909.JPG Wait, height matters now as the judge of a persons character? My old boss was 6-4. My new boss is 5-5. This guy must have been a scum bag because he was well below the average male height, right? 
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Posted: 11/27/2022 6:29:30 AM EDT
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155mm M1122 (repurposed into training rounds from demiled DPICM) and other non-service arty projos are available, but there’s been a moratorium on using HE for most training exercises since last summer.
PGK NETT team from OK told me 155mm production lines are running three shifts 24/7/365. True? I have no idea but that’s what they said and I believe it. |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 6:39:40 AM EDT
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The US govenment is literally paying contractors to blow up the older stocks that have reached an unstable age without getting used. Send all that shit to ukraine. We're fucking Russia and also semding a message to China for pennies on the dollar.
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Posted: 11/27/2022 7:28:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 155mm M1122 (repurposed into training rounds from demiled DPICM) and other non-service arty projos are available, but there’s been a moratorium on using HE for most training exercises since last summer. PGK NETT team from OK told me 155mm production lines are running three shifts 24/7/365. True? I have no idea but that’s what they said and I believe it. They have cut training allocations of live fire ammo by over 80 percent 1122 has many problems like breaking apart in flight. |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 7:34:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: South Korea depletes their stocks in Ukriane, opportune time for Best Korea to invade? North Korea is selling their ammo to Russia. The scale of deterrence remains balanced. |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 7:46:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree with both of your points. If you want fire, why fuck around with a bon fire when it's just as easy to start a forest fire. On the large scale of things, since Obama (this guy literally started this shit,) the people of the World, or Earthlings, or whatever we can call humanity, has been pretty much replicating political conditions that led to World War I. We still have Socialists/communists wanting political revolution. Instead of a royal peerage, we have its replacement in the form of the WEF. We have countries on all the continents aligning themselves into a different factions. And to top it all off, we have large numbers of individuals through out the world wanting War. When this many people want War, you get War. The only thing that's different now from then, is that there is no place to go to get away from it. I hope these people enjoy their War. When Cave 1 wanted to declare war on weak Cave 7 and Caves 2-6 figured out they were in the way of Cave 1 and all their food and women would disappear too, alliances were made. Cave 1 was checked or wiped out. Nothing has changed. Peace is just an interlude where alliances shift, arrowheads are replaced with bullets, and old tyrants are replaced with new ones. Thus the next war is reset and ready for another round. |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 7:56:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The US govenment is literally paying contractors to blow up the older stocks that have reached an unstable age without getting used. Send all that shit to ukraine. We're fucking Russia and also semding a message to China for pennies on the dollar. They are not doing that to Arty Ammo |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 8:02:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are not doing that to Arty Ammo Not anymore
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Posted: 11/27/2022 8:15:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @R0N Maybe the U.S. can train its artillery units in Ukraine and kill two birds with one stone. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Some of eventual/predicted outcomes are probably right, but he has failed to factor in Ammo used in training, and a few other things so his figures are way off. @R0N Maybe the U.S. can train its artillery units in Ukraine and kill two birds with one stone. For almost a decade, the Army has cut its ammunition training budget for the Artillery by 70%. When we got back from the Stan in 2013 they only gave us 30% of our allocated STRAC for the entire year. We had to beg, borrow, and steal 105mm shells (we were light towed) to get to even 70% of the normal. They used to tell us Artillery would die as a branch because of all the new smart weapons, and that the most trained and ready gun lines would be young Soldiers coming straight from the school house since my first two deployments were as a Battle Space owner. We didn't touch howitzers for 15 months, twice. Instead we operated as infantry. |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 8:19:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not anymore Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They are not doing that to Arty Ammo Not anymore We hold on to big bullets for a long time. In the 90s, we fired some 1940s 105mm in Sardinia. Here is some over 40 year old 105 we fired in 2014.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 8:32:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The US govenment is literally paying contractors to blow up the older stocks that have reached an unstable age without getting used. Send all that shit to ukraine. We're fucking Russia and also semding a message to China for pennies on the dollar. They destroyed a metric shit ton of propellant at a GOCO facility ten or so years ago. |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 8:36:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We hold on to big bullets for a long time. In the 90s, we fired some 1940s 105mm in Sardinia. Here is some over 40 year old 105 we fired in 2014. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/99516/IMG_1173_JPG-2615438.JPG I fired a bunch of 7.62 from the 80s during weapons instructor school and Gunnery. When I was qualifying last december I was shooting 855a1 from 2014. |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 8:37:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: North Korea is selling their ammo to Russia. The scale of deterrence remains balanced. Thanos moment right there. South Korean m48: I'm tired Polish K2: Weeee |
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Posted: 11/27/2022 8:51:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A few years back {Obama} like you described I saw the writing on the wall and started using this for my social media avatar on other websites ironically. From what I can tell, overall the US is very unprepared for multiple simultaneous wars and or near peer war let alone multiple near peer simultaneous. I hope we at least save some face by having a better performance than the Russian Air Force in Ukraine https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-27-2015/kNuMac.gif @CarmelBytheSea How many wars has the USA ever been prepared for? In the 1980s with the massive rebuilding of our military under Reagan, we were questioning the feasibility of a two-front war. Even the Gulf Wars took months to move all the weapons of war to where we needed them. We didn't even have the airlift to do it right. If we look at the Gulf Wars as our watermark we screwed the pooch and didn't even know it. Iraq was not the major power we expected. Heck, even in Afghanistan we were reluctant to commit the forces to decisively win. We huddled up on our FOBs and only occasionally ventured out in the last five years or more. |
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Posted: 11/28/2022 12:37:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/28/2022 12:45:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @CarmelBytheSea How many wars has the USA ever been prepared for? In the 1980s with the massive rebuilding of our military under Reagan, we were questioning the feasibility of a two-front war. Even the Gulf Wars took months to move all the weapons of war to where we needed them. We didn't even have the airlift to do it right. If we look at the Gulf Wars as our watermark we screwed the pooch and didn't even know it. Iraq was not the major power we expected. Heck, even in Afghanistan we were reluctant to commit the forces to decisively win. We huddled up on our FOBs and only occasionally ventured out in the last five years or more. Our economy, General public attitude and birth rates weren’t dog shit back then they are now. 2 simultaneous wars are now off the official NDS paperwork for the past several years. It’s not even a consideration. Enemies get a vote - they notice things like that. People really don’t really how bad of shape the US military is overall. The USA since Vietnam is casualty averse to the point that Trump bragged about less than 100,000 troops deployed as a reason to re-elect him and Biden rush to exit disaster our Afghanistan withdrawal. During the Cold War we supposedly had the force structure in the 80s for a difficult Fulda Gap and Korea or Russia in the Pacific scenario. USSR decided not to leap in the 70s and then got outspent in the 80s and Bush Sr decided he could use the military for his purposes. We had twice as many deployed forces in Desert Storm than OIF. At this point I see a ton of shit talking from USA side and or predictions of China imploding. Then those half conceding a war is possible try to limit the idea to Navy only. Americans are terrified of land wars in Asia. For all the harbor freight and Peter Zeihan talk it’s clear Americans are afraid. The enemy gets a vote  Xi Jinping attempts to ''project strength'' with warning of war |
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Posted: 11/28/2022 1:50:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They have cut training allocations of live fire ammo by over 80 percent 1122 has many problems like breaking apart in flight. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 155mm M1122 (repurposed into training rounds from demiled DPICM) and other non-service arty projos are available, but there’s been a moratorium on using HE for most training exercises since last summer. PGK NETT team from OK told me 155mm production lines are running three shifts 24/7/365. True? I have no idea but that’s what they said and I believe it. They have cut training allocations of live fire ammo by over 80 percent 1122 has many problems like breaking apart in flight. 1122 was always shit and blue smerf shit they used in the late 90s was exactly the same. |
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Posted: 11/28/2022 1:58:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We hold on to big bullets for a long time. In the 90s, we fired some 1940s 105mm in Sardinia. Here is some over 40 year old 105 we fired in 2014. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/99516/IMG_1173_JPG-2615438.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: They are not doing that to Arty Ammo Not anymore We hold on to big bullets for a long time. In the 90s, we fired some 1940s 105mm in Sardinia. Here is some over 40 year old 105 we fired in 2014. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/99516/IMG_1173_JPG-2615438.JPG Those all brass shells are great if you can find them. I remember firing a batch like that. I also remember firing whitebag M4A1 from 1940/50s for the M114 Pig in a palidin. Dirty as fuck didn't have the flash reducers had a primer in the powder tube. But did put on a hell of a show out in the field. The powder was hot, everything was long. If I recall there wasn't even a calculations in afatds to adjust for it. |
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Posted: 11/28/2022 2:33:47 PM EDT
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We aren't running out of artillery projos in yours or your kids' lifetimes.
The United States' Containment National Security Grand Strategy and 2 1/2 war National Defense Strategy through the Cold War just meant stuff went into and sits in bunkers. It's still there, waiting to be shipped. No Red Storm Rising, where the entire Pact is swarming over the border, POMCUS stocks are being rushed to the front to arm all our friends, and U-Boats are sinking materiel on its' way across the Atlantic. Pallets of projos by ship or by air is just another commodity -- like commissary lettuce, Green Bean Coffee, or Baskin-Robbins ice cream. I hope the Ukrainians shoot every round and kill orcs by the train-load. They're shooting at the folks WE intended to shoot them at. Cannon shells, more than small arms cartridges, are just like Doritos. Shoot 'em up -- we'll make more. We're really still in the phase of "look in all the corners and send all the old stuff out first." The Marine Corps' artillery reduction means those shells that would otherwise be used up are also in storage. |
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Posted: 11/28/2022 2:49:40 PM EDT
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How long to those bug gun barrels last under heavy use like in Ukraine? Who's replacing those?
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Posted: 11/28/2022 4:00:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How long to those bug gun barrels last under heavy use like in Ukraine? Who's replacing those? 2500 rounds, and the US set up a maintenance facility in Poland. |
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Posted: 11/28/2022 4:40:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How long to those bug gun barrels last under heavy use like in Ukraine? Who's replacing those? How they're made at Watervliet Arsenal, New York:  Failed To Load Title  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 11/28/2022 8:30:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We aren't running out of artillery projos in yours or your kids' lifetimes. The United States' Containment National Security Grand Strategy and 2 1/2 war National Defense Strategy through the Cold War just meant stuff went into and sits in bunkers. It's still there, waiting to be shipped. No Red Storm Rising, where the entire Pact is swarming over the border, POMCUS stocks are being rushed to the front to arm all our friends, and U-Boats are sinking materiel on its' way across the Atlantic. Pallets of projos by ship or by air is just another commodity -- like commissary lettuce, Green Bean Coffee, or Baskin-Robbins ice cream. I hope the Ukrainians shoot every round and kill orcs by the train-load. They're shooting at the folks WE intended to shoot them at. Cannon shells, more than small arms cartridges, are just like Doritos. Shoot 'em up -- we'll make more. We're really still in the phase of "look in all the corners and send all the old stuff out first." The Marine Corps' artillery reduction means those shells that would otherwise be used up are also in storage. Starting in the 90s the US started taking risk in Arty ammo production and some year shot more ammo in training than was produced that year, basically we had shockingly low stocks of 155 ammo on hand and gave a large part of it away. |
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Posted: 11/28/2022 8:39:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those all brass shells are great if you can find them. I remember firing a batch like that. I also remember firing whitebag M4A1 from 1940/50s for the M114 Pig in a palidin. Dirty as fuck didn't have the flash reducers had a primer in the powder tube. But did put on a hell of a show out in the field. The powder was hot, everything was long. If I recall there wasn't even a calculations in afatds to adjust for it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They are not doing that to Arty Ammo Not anymore We hold on to big bullets for a long time. In the 90s, we fired some 1940s 105mm in Sardinia. Here is some over 40 year old 105 we fired in 2014. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/99516/IMG_1173_JPG-2615438.JPG Those all brass shells are great if you can find them. I remember firing a batch like that. I also remember firing whitebag M4A1 from 1940/50s for the M114 Pig in a palidin. Dirty as fuck didn't have the flash reducers had a primer in the powder tube. But did put on a hell of a show out in the field. The powder was hot, everything was long. If I recall there wasn't even a calculations in afatds to adjust for it. I've seen green bag fired in 2017 by a 777 battery we were watching. Threw them for a loop. Propellant efficiencies by lot were a thing in the days of old. No idea if they still are. I've still got a brass US 105 canister. A Brit one too-they are different sizes due to the differences in the Brit and NATO tubes and the fact the Brit 105s are electrically fired. |
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Posted: 11/29/2022 2:59:16 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/29/2022 7:12:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've seen green bag fired in 2017 by a 777 battery we were watching. Threw them for a loop. Propellant efficiencies by lot were a thing in the days of old. No idea if they still are. I've still got a brass US 105 canister. A Brit one too-they are different sizes due to the differences in the Brit and NATO tubes and the fact the Brit 105s are electrically fired. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: They are not doing that to Arty Ammo Not anymore We hold on to big bullets for a long time. In the 90s, we fired some 1940s 105mm in Sardinia. Here is some over 40 year old 105 we fired in 2014. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/99516/IMG_1173_JPG-2615438.JPG Those all brass shells are great if you can find them. I remember firing a batch like that. I also remember firing whitebag M4A1 from 1940/50s for the M114 Pig in a palidin. Dirty as fuck didn't have the flash reducers had a primer in the powder tube. But did put on a hell of a show out in the field. The powder was hot, everything was long. If I recall there wasn't even a calculations in afatds to adjust for it. I've seen green bag fired in 2017 by a 777 battery we were watching. Threw them for a loop. Propellant efficiencies by lot were a thing in the days of old. No idea if they still are. I've still got a brass US 105 canister. A Brit one too-they are different sizes due to the differences in the Brit and NATO tubes and the fact the Brit 105s are electrically fired. I was at the school house when MACs was originally fielding, they sold it as MV adjusted so no needed for MVVs or PEs anymore |
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Posted: 11/29/2022 8:37:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was at the school house when MACs was originally fielding, they sold it as MV adjusted so no needed for MVVs or PEs anymore What is a “MAC.” And why does FDC think it is weird to shoot green bag? That was most of what we would get for local shoots at Pendleton. |
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Posted: 11/29/2022 8:45:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What is a “MAC.” And why does FDC think it is weird to shoot green bag? That was most of what we would get for local shoots at Pendleton. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I was at the school house when MACs was originally fielding, they sold it as MV adjusted so no needed for MVVs or PEs anymore What is a “MAC.” And why does FDC think it is weird to shoot green bag? That was most of what we would get for local shoots at Pendleton. M231 and M232 modular charge system. They stopped making bag charges in the 90s and the replacement was MACs. Think of it as whole bunch of super 8 like universal low and high increments. So things like powder burns are a thing of the past.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/29/2022 8:54:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: M231 and M232 modular charge system. They stopped making bag charges in the 90s and the replacement was MACs. Think of it as whole bunch of super 8 like universal low and high increments. So things like powder burns are a thing of the past.https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/56596/5BF9A7A5-4499-40FB-940A-3C874528377F_jpe-2617658.JPG Interesting. Sounds like a good idea. Not understanding how it would do away with MVV though. Even if you had quality control down to perfection, I thought propellants degraded over time? And you still have to factor in tube wear. |
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Posted: 11/29/2022 8:55:15 AM EDT
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A bunch of countries and companies around the world produce 155mm ammo.
Having said that, I have no idea how much is on hand. But, they never even reactivated the army ammunition plant near my place in Ohio during the Vietnam war. Didn't need it. |
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Posted: 11/29/2022 9:11:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting. Sounds like a good idea. Not understanding how it would do away with MVV though. Even if you had quality control down to perfection, I thought propellants degraded over time? And you still have to factor in tube wear. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: M231 and M232 modular charge system. They stopped making bag charges in the 90s and the replacement was MACs. Think of it as whole bunch of super 8 like universal low and high increments. So things like powder burns are a thing of the past.https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/56596/5BF9A7A5-4499-40FB-940A-3C874528377F_jpe-2617658.JPG Interesting. Sounds like a good idea. Not understanding how it would do away with MVV though. Even if you had quality control down to perfection, I thought propellants degraded over time? And you still have to factor in tube wear. Shooting strength should still be tracked but the claims of the PM for MACs was the increments are MV adjusted so there is no need for the PE portion of MVV (PE+SS=MVV). However manufacturing tolerance and degradation was the argument from the SME side of why we did not believe it was possible to long term do away with PE measurements. |
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Posted: 12/4/2022 1:55:54 PM EDT
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Contrary to this article either way the DOD is screwed with a CR just more so if delayed until next year as CRs impact planning and long term savings https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/03/pentagon-congress-budget-deal-weapons-00072068
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