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Link Posted: 9/8/2024 8:46:45 AM EST
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Link Posted: 9/8/2024 8:49:44 AM EST
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The AvtoVAZ plant caught fire in Tolyatti - source 112

The fire occurred at the metallurgical production of the auto giant, in building 2. A molding line covering an area of ​​50 square meters burst into flames. The employees managed to evacuate and no one was injured.


https://t.me/ENews112/18655


Firefighters localized the fire at the AvtoVAZ plant to an area of ​​70 square meters. m. - Main Directorate of the Ministry of Emergency Situations for the Samara Region
Link Posted: 9/8/2024 8:52:33 AM EST
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My opinion - everyone wants a quick fix that doesn’t exist.  Both sides will offer “quick fixes” that aren’t fixes and probably will make things worse.
Re-read the Bible and the Constitution, plus maybe the Federalist Papers and some other stuff.
Then start with you - live a politically moral life.  Demand accountability and reject lies and quick fixes.
Don’t be silent when your friends and family get taken in by un-Constitutional ideas and demagogues.
The founders knew that our Democratic Republic required moral people to function.  Re-establishing personal morality and integrity is the biggest key.  Expecting Big Brother to be the substitute for personal morality is the slippery slope to totalitarianism.  Even if it’s “your team” in charge.
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Originally Posted By HIPPO:
FT Article: China’s new back doors into western markets

Archive link This is a good read.
An intensifying rivalry between China and the US-led west is driving a fragmentation in the world’s economic order. Beijing, Washington, Brussels and other capitals have imposed a range of tariffs, export controls and other measures to protect their domestic markets and stymie competitors’ technological progress.
...
China’s emergence as an economic superpower over the past four decades has been propelled to a large degree by globalisation.
Open markets and free trade underpinned China’s long export boom and helped facilitate huge transfers of capital, knowledge and technology from the west to Chinese companies.
Many have gone on to become world leaders in their sectors: examples include BYD and CATL in electric vehicles and batteries, Huawei in telecoms and ByteDance in social media.

Post-WWII was an age where America dominated in all places in all things. That era is over. In the new era, China will be the one dominating in all places and in all things. The age of the American Empire is ending. Our leaders don't seem to have a comprehensive plan to effectively manage America's decline.

I'm not saying this to be negative, and it should not be taken that way. All empires end, there is a rise and fall to every civilization & nation in world history, there are no exceptions. For better or worse, we live in the time of transition from the era of America to the age of China. You can try to argue that I'm wrong, but good luck making a case that will hold up over the next five years.


This is the natural order of things, as the genesis of America's economic hyper-dominance was brought on by the two World Wars (and the fact we were latecomers to both militarily).  However, the natural hubris of being #1 for so long made much of our leadership lazy and non-reflective, falling into the rut of mechanicalistic "checklist-style" thinking to address non-linear issues, and ceasing to make the citizens of the country they served their priority.  Combined with the fact we necessarily kept getting sucked into Kipling's "Savage Wars of Peace", the outcome was inevitable.  That is one reason we can never hold anyone accountable; "Sure, they collectively made a hash of things, but they followed the checklist and complied with the prevailing theories and policies of their bettors, so they are not really responsible".  Most great empires; Roman, French, Austrian, several of the Chinese dynasties, etc, all trod this path before us.  One of the byproducts of this process is that the "core citizens" of said empire is that the citizens eventually get tired of being exploited to maintain an empire that seems only to serve the "elites", particularly the lower orders.  Think the replacement of the Roman lower equestrian and "noble plebian" classes by slaves and the "bread and circuses" crowd, the liquidation of the remaining parts of the British empire post WWII by the "Now Let's Win the Peace" domestically-focused Labor Governments, and so on.   This is not to say that America's long-term decline is inevitable in the medium term, irreversible, or even imminent; as Bismarck put it, "God takes care of small children, drunks, and the United States of America!"  What it does mean is that our government and societal "leadership" needs a hard reset, and citizens need to be reengaged, if we are to overcome our current miasma.


I agree that the US has become soft and corrupt (although politicians have always been corrupt, it's just at a new level).

However, it is amazing how resilient we still are, we are nowhere near the EU in terms of decline.  Considering the damage that the "fundamentally change America" Obama puppets are doing with the MSM and tech oligarchs' help, we are by far the world's number one military and economic power (on a GDP/capita basis).

The article is standard pro-China pablum, like Gates funding the NYT, Bezos owning WaPo, Disney with ABC, I have no illusions that FT isn't also dependent on Chinese ad money or direct payments.

They neglect to mention that all economic data out of China is propaganda, and even considering that, China admits that it's growth rate is declining (they will never admit an actual recession).  They have a huge demographic problem with the previous decades one child policy (not that the US is quietly following their path with a disastrous 1.6 birth rate). They have very little technology infrastructure if they can't steal Western tech, and people forget that if they have 1.3B people, they have more people with an IQ below 90 that the US has people (NOT corrected for the 20M new illegals who skew far below average - just another cold hard fact not covered by the MSM) that are either not very productive or unproductive and need support.  They are not supermen.

The rank 72 in the world for GDP/capita, around Mexico, Belarus, Columbia and Thailand.  But again, their demographics are worse, per Mark Stein's book on China, "they will grow old before they grow rich."

Whitewashing their communist record with business deals has been common for quite some time (see the NBA).  The question is: why do they have to do it?  Because they are a communist country with sanctions for stealing IP and human rights violations.  The article mentions sanctions, but the only reason that they state is because of "protectionism", which is the least objectionable (to China) reason for the sanctions.  Nope, no mention of a totalitarian communist state and the state owning a significant percentage of all of the businesses mentioned.

I heard the same nonsense 20 years ago.  While they have made progress, we have decades before they overtake us, assuming that Obama's commie puppets can be stopped.

Well stated.   With no intention to slide the thread, what if anything could "stop" the puppets, media, tech, and academia?


My opinion - everyone wants a quick fix that doesn’t exist.  Both sides will offer “quick fixes” that aren’t fixes and probably will make things worse.
Re-read the Bible and the Constitution, plus maybe the Federalist Papers and some other stuff.
Then start with you - live a politically moral life.  Demand accountability and reject lies and quick fixes.
Don’t be silent when your friends and family get taken in by un-Constitutional ideas and demagogues.
The founders knew that our Democratic Republic required moral people to function.  Re-establishing personal morality and integrity is the biggest key.  Expecting Big Brother to be the substitute for personal morality is the slippery slope to totalitarianism.  Even if it’s “your team” in charge.

Excellent response.   Describes my mindset and path for years now.  "Since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses let us run with endurance the race before us laying aside every weight and sin that so easily ensnares us, looking to Jesus the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and sat down at the right hand of the Father in heaven."
Link Posted: 9/8/2024 8:52:52 AM EST
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Link Posted: 9/8/2024 8:53:43 AM EST
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If billionaires were running the show in Russia to remain wealthy, the Ukraine war would never have happened or would’ve ended long ago.  Yes, some have remained wealthy and some have gotten wealthier, but the net economic consequences are serious.
You also have to consider Russian (or anyone’s) perceptions vs realities.  There are ten thousand examples in history of people making calculations that they thought were reasonable and probable (at least in their thinking) which ended up being completely wrong and blowing up in their faces.  Or they make the best available call and it blows up anyway.  History is replete with them.
Russia needs to divert western resources and attention at any cost.  A regional war against israel is perfect for that and, as they perceive it, has little downside and much upside.  Whether that actually turns out to be the case, or instead there are severe unforeseen consequences for Russia is beside the point if they believe it’s the case.
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I'm sure, way before the Feb '22 invasion, Ukraine was already carved up among the Putinista oligarchs who were salivating at all the riches and industry they would get. Maybe some corrupted pro-Moscow Ukrainians would have been put in some leadership positions but the wealth was going to Moscow.

Now, the same oligarchs are drooling at the promised rebuilding contracts from Ukraine. And some will just try to survive this disaster without riding out WWIII in a well targeted bunker or being made to fall from a roof.

Although looking at the amazing "success" of the Oct 7th attack and the subsequent diverting of world attention from Ukraine, Russia may try to mash down on the Israel/ME conflict "button" again as a last resort. If Kamala is in the WH, Israel will be fucked and left abandoned in favor of appeasing Iran and with Trump the USA will be closely allied with Israel and Iran will be fucked financially at first and if that doesn't work militarily. How either scenario helps or hurts the chances of a larger WWIII...I don't know.
Link Posted: 9/8/2024 8:54:30 AM EST
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RU Shahed 131/136 entered Latvian airspace from Belarus.
Link Posted: 9/8/2024 8:59:57 AM EST
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ETA — ⚡️❗️Latvia Defense Ministry
@AizsardzibasMin
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"On Saturday, 7 September, a Russian unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) crashed in Rēzekne municipality, Latvia.

Currently, the authorities, including the State Police, are investigating the circumstances of the incident, but preliminary data indicate that it is a military UAV of the Russian Federation, and, according to the information available to the National Armed Forces, it flew into our airspace from Belarus."

"In view of Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine, Latvia is stepping up the protection of its land borders, airspace and territorial waters, and the National Armed Forces are reinforcing their air defence capabilities on the eastern border. In addition, NATO allies ensure air patrolling mission over the Baltic States on a rotational basis," the Ministry added. ETA2 — President of Latvia says
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Since the Russians gifted them some Explosive Military hardware, they should be kind and return some Explosive Military hardware back to Russia. It would seem only fair.
Link Posted: 9/8/2024 9:00:32 AM EST
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I’m always losing these things.

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Hory shit! "Sasha, get a hammer, it may have treasure inside"...
Link Posted: 9/8/2024 9:05:03 AM EST
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER:

I'm sure, way before the Feb '22 invasion, Ukraine was already carved up among the Putinista oligarchs who were salivating at all the riches and industry they would get. Maybe some corrupted pro-Moscow Ukrainians would have been put in some leadership positions but the wealth was going to Moscow.

Now, the same oligarchs are drooling at the promised rebuilding contracts from Ukraine. And some will just try to survive this disaster without riding out WWIII in a well targeted bunker or being made to fall from a roof.

Although looking at the amazing "success" of the Oct 7th attack and the subsequent diverting of world attention from Ukraine, Russia may try to mash down on the Israel/ME conflict "button" again as a last resort. If Kamala is in the WH, Israel will be fucked and left abandoned in favor of appeasing Iran and with Trump the USA will be closely allied with Israel and Iran will be fucked financially at first and if that doesn't work militarily. How either scenario helps or hurts the chances of a larger WWIII...I don't know.
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Russians had problems with squabbling between "LPR" and "DPR" because DPR got more loot than LPR did, but both were expected to pull the same weight.

Link Posted: 9/8/2024 9:09:42 AM EST
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Russian source



Toretsk direction for the morning 09/08/24...

The enemy attacked again yesterday in the northern part of Novgorod (New York) and managed to release the Azov forces at the phenol plant (no one doubted that they would not be abandoned).

Moreover, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are introducing more and more new forces into battle here.

The fighting continues. Let's keep our fingers crossed and pray for the guys.


https://t.me/yurasumy/17816

Link Posted: 9/8/2024 9:18:12 AM EST
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The Russians are definitely bad guys and so is the Ukrainian government that named a main Street in Kiev after Joe Biden. I work for my money sometimes 7 days a week and those guys are getting rich while men on both sides are dying and the American tax payer is getting turned into slaves. I hate the eurosocialisy scum too. Macron, whoever's in charge in Germany the Nordic countries where a man isn't allowed to piss standing up! But yeah Russia and Chine need to be destroyed first, then France. Also, Tim Poole is being slandered. I listen to him he's a good American.
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Maybe some are just good and some evil? Most of the pro Ukraine contingent is Astroturf and they got the balls to insinuate that Tim Poole and Trump are under Russian influence? Lol. We have the Internet's now buddy. We aren't all smoking the dope  you guys are peddling some are paying attention.

This is more an example of everything touched by the demo-commies turning to shit. And the demo-commies have had their hands all over Ukraine for many many years.

To many Americans, Ukraine is toxic BECAUSE OF THE DNC INVOLVEMENT THERE. I don't know Tim Poole and never listened to him but he is about as likely to have been brain-fucked by our democrat friends as actual Russian disinformation Ops.

I hope Frontiercowboy thinks and tries to remember when, in the past 100 years, the Russians were the good guys. WWI and the Bolshevik revolution? WWII? (they started WWII eagerly allied with Hitler), Korea (Russian Mig15 pilots shooting down US jets), Cuba? Vietnam? Nicaragua? Angola? Lebanon/Iraq/Iran/Syria?  Name a time and place where/when YOU supported the Russians. Ask yourself what changed. Russia became the good guys just because the demo-commies used Ukraine as a hub for grift? You are basically like the idiot Afghan father stoning his daughter to death because she got raped. The democrats have been raping Ukraine for 10+ years and you want the Ukrainian people to be murdered by the same assholes that will do the same to YOU and YOUR family?

The Russians are definitely bad guys and so is the Ukrainian government that named a main Street in Kiev after Joe Biden. I work for my money sometimes 7 days a week and those guys are getting rich while men on both sides are dying and the American tax payer is getting turned into slaves. I hate the eurosocialisy scum too. Macron, whoever's in charge in Germany the Nordic countries where a man isn't allowed to piss standing up! But yeah Russia and Chine need to be destroyed first, then France. Also, Tim Poole is being slandered. I listen to him he's a good American.




Link Posted: 9/8/2024 9:27:42 AM EST
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France tangent: I didn't see this news before. Macron named Michael Barnier as the new PM, irritating all the major parties. The far Left had the most votes in the election, but not enough for a majority. The far Right had the best results in the first round of voting, but fell to a Left coalition in the second round. Both Left and Right leaders panned Macron's selection, chosen to be a compromise candidate who at least won't be rejected by the parties. Barnier promises to maintain most Center policies & approaches. Apologies if this was posted before.

https://www.npr.org/2024/09/05/nx-s1-5101536/france-prime-minister-michel-barnier
Link Posted: 9/8/2024 9:28:36 AM EST
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Op-Ed from FMR UK MOD: The Sunday Times: Grant Shapps: Let Ukraine strike Russia with our Storm Shadow missiles
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Op-Ed from FMR UK MOD: The Sunday Times: Grant Shapps: Let Ukraine strike Russia with our Storm Shadow missiles


Times article in quote box.
Grant Shapps: Let Ukraine strike Russia with our Storm Shadow missiles
The former defence secretary says Keir Starmer should authorise President Zelensky to fight Putin on his own territory
Grant Shapps
Sunday September 08 2024, 12.01am BST, The Sunday Times

Key points
Former defence secretary says UK ‘must allow’ use of missiles inside Russia
Call adds pressure on Starmer to act decisively
Shapps demands straightforward warning to Putin
Britain ‘should be willing to lead again’

In the early hours of Friday July 5, I stepped onto a makeshift stage at Roller City, a skating rink in Welwyn Garden City. This was my election count, and by then I knew what the returning officer was about to declare. After 19 years of service as the local MP, I had lost my Welwyn Hatfield seat. More than that, my heavy responsibilities as the defence secretary were about to end.

Naturally, there was zero chance that I would attempt to cast doubt on the validity of the result, or try to cling onto the democratically extinguished power. No one would even imagine that implausible scenario in Britain.

This, my friends, is democracy in action. It is what we believe in. And it is what distinguishes democracies from autocracies.

It is also the direct opposite of what dictatorial regimes think should happen. For them, clinging onto power — at all costs — is the purpose of being. To achieve this, they will “steal” elections. They will subvert the neutrality of the government. And, sometimes, they will even invade their neighbours to bolster their prowess — imposing their dictatorial rule on others.

This is precisely what happened in Ukraine in February 2022, when President Putin decided that he would illegally invade his democratic neighbour and impose his autocracy.

Visiting that war-weary country now, it is impossible not to be bowled over by the sheer level of recognition about Britain’s role in stopping Putin in his tracks. Say what you like about Boris Johnson, but there can be no doubt that he led the world against Putin’s menace in Ukraine. So much so, that when you walk through the streets of Kyiv as a Brit, it is impossible not to be moved by street stalls selling the prapor Ukrayiny (Ukrainian flag) intertwined with our own Union Jack.

Of course, back home, the result of our election means that the United Kingdom is under new management, and Ukraine’s greatest global supporter has a government with different priorities. Yet fortunately, the British people have a settled view — Putin must not prosper from his invasion — and I am confident that Sir Keir Starmer’s intention is to continue to back our friends in Ukraine.

While I was defence secretary, along with Ben Wallace before me, we took a series of what the civil service might term “forward-leaning” decisions. Many of these cannot be discussed on these pages. But by leading from the front internationally, the UK showed that a tyrant invading his neighbour wasn’t just unacceptable behaviour to be met with condemnation — actual consequences would follow too.

As a result, President Zelensky says the UK has been responsible, more than any other nation, for helping to ensure that the majority of Ukraine remains free more than two years after Russia’s main attack.

And yet, I have a concern that has grown ever larger this summer. It is now so pressing that I cannot stay quiet about it any longer. Given the way that Putin is targeting men, women and children using glide bombs frequently launched from Russia, we must now urgently approve the use of our long-range weapons into Russia.

Just last week, a devastating Russian missile attack targeted the city of Poltava, striking a hospital and surrounding residential area, killing at least 51 people and injuring more than 200, marking one of the deadliest attacks of the year.

We know that many attacks are launched from Russia itself. And yet, with the exception of our giving permission to allow UK missiles to strike Crimea, we have remained cautious about allowing our Ukrainian allies to target the source of these attacks.

It is no longer credible for us to cheer on Ukraine, invite the president to No 10, and yet fail to allow our defensive weapons to be used where they would be most effective.

It’s time to stop asking President Zelensky’s brave population to fight with one arm tied behind their backs. Instead the UK must issue a straightforward warning to Putin. If you continue to murder men, women and children with glide bombs launched from Russia, then we will lead the rest of the world to authorise our long-range missiles to take out your launchers, regardless of where they happen to be — even inside Russia.

Now is the moment to remind ourselves that what is happening in Ukraine isn’t just about them. It is about us too. It is about defending our entire way of life. Our imperfect, often frustrating system of self-government. The same system that sometimes leads to the governing party being booted out of office due to underperformance.

Putin is wrong about us. Maintaining a system with democratic winners and losers isn’t weakness. It is strength. But we can only maintain that legitimacy if we stand up for others whose democracy is under attack. And that does need raw muscle. So Britain must regain her place as the country willing to lead again. We should provide permission for our Storm Shadows to be used, and invite the French, the Americans and even our more reticent German partners to follow us. With a simple ultimatum to Putin: stop your inbound attacks on Ukraine, or we will support Ukraine’s response.

I know that freedom, democracy and elections are complete anathema to Putin. But we are stronger because we willingly accept that elections may not always go our way. He would rather impose his autocracy on Ukraine, but if you value freedom, this is not just a battle for Ukraine, it matters the free world over. Or to put it another way, this is a battle for the right to be a political loser.

Grant Shapps is the former Conservative MP for Welwyn Hatfield. He was defence secretary 2023-24
Link Posted: 9/8/2024 9:29:33 AM EST
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All the Russian leadership class must be made to understand that wherever they go to hide that place will burn and glow white. Who would be more likely to fulfill that promise from the USA side? Trump or Kamala? Putin et al has to be made to believe!

*standing by for some Russian sources from Capta claiming Trump is weak on Israel and Iran...
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The more likely Israel is to be wiped off the map, the more likely they will take everyone responsible with them. They might not be able to glass the whole Russia but the flight time from Tel-Aviv to Moscow is 5h in a commercial airliner.

All the Russian leadership class must be made to understand that wherever they go to hide that place will burn and glow white. Who would be more likely to fulfill that promise from the USA side? Trump or Kamala? Putin et al has to be made to believe!

*standing by for some Russian sources from Capta claiming Trump is weak on Israel and Iran...

The key isn’t Iran but Russia.
Israel can handle Iran if we let them.
Handling Russia requires our support and that’s where Trump is very demonstrably weak.
Link Posted: 9/8/2024 9:32:48 AM EST
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Excellent response.   Describes my mindset and path for years now.  "Since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses let us run with endurance the race before us laying aside every weight and sin that so easily ensnares us, looking to Jesus the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and sat down at the right hand of the Father in heaven."
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu:
Originally Posted By HIPPO:
FT Article: China’s new back doors into western markets

Archive link This is a good read.
An intensifying rivalry between China and the US-led west is driving a fragmentation in the world’s economic order. Beijing, Washington, Brussels and other capitals have imposed a range of tariffs, export controls and other measures to protect their domestic markets and stymie competitors’ technological progress.
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China’s emergence as an economic superpower over the past four decades has been propelled to a large degree by globalisation.
Open markets and free trade underpinned China’s long export boom and helped facilitate huge transfers of capital, knowledge and technology from the west to Chinese companies.
Many have gone on to become world leaders in their sectors: examples include BYD and CATL in electric vehicles and batteries, Huawei in telecoms and ByteDance in social media.

Post-WWII was an age where America dominated in all places in all things. That era is over. In the new era, China will be the one dominating in all places and in all things. The age of the American Empire is ending. Our leaders don't seem to have a comprehensive plan to effectively manage America's decline.

I'm not saying this to be negative, and it should not be taken that way. All empires end, there is a rise and fall to every civilization & nation in world history, there are no exceptions. For better or worse, we live in the time of transition from the era of America to the age of China. You can try to argue that I'm wrong, but good luck making a case that will hold up over the next five years.


This is the natural order of things, as the genesis of America's economic hyper-dominance was brought on by the two World Wars (and the fact we were latecomers to both militarily).  However, the natural hubris of being #1 for so long made much of our leadership lazy and non-reflective, falling into the rut of mechanicalistic "checklist-style" thinking to address non-linear issues, and ceasing to make the citizens of the country they served their priority.  Combined with the fact we necessarily kept getting sucked into Kipling's "Savage Wars of Peace", the outcome was inevitable.  That is one reason we can never hold anyone accountable; "Sure, they collectively made a hash of things, but they followed the checklist and complied with the prevailing theories and policies of their bettors, so they are not really responsible".  Most great empires; Roman, French, Austrian, several of the Chinese dynasties, etc, all trod this path before us.  One of the byproducts of this process is that the "core citizens" of said empire is that the citizens eventually get tired of being exploited to maintain an empire that seems only to serve the "elites", particularly the lower orders.  Think the replacement of the Roman lower equestrian and "noble plebian" classes by slaves and the "bread and circuses" crowd, the liquidation of the remaining parts of the British empire post WWII by the "Now Let's Win the Peace" domestically-focused Labor Governments, and so on.   This is not to say that America's long-term decline is inevitable in the medium term, irreversible, or even imminent; as Bismarck put it, "God takes care of small children, drunks, and the United States of America!"  What it does mean is that our government and societal "leadership" needs a hard reset, and citizens need to be reengaged, if we are to overcome our current miasma.


I agree that the US has become soft and corrupt (although politicians have always been corrupt, it's just at a new level).

However, it is amazing how resilient we still are, we are nowhere near the EU in terms of decline.  Considering the damage that the "fundamentally change America" Obama puppets are doing with the MSM and tech oligarchs' help, we are by far the world's number one military and economic power (on a GDP/capita basis).

The article is standard pro-China pablum, like Gates funding the NYT, Bezos owning WaPo, Disney with ABC, I have no illusions that FT isn't also dependent on Chinese ad money or direct payments.

They neglect to mention that all economic data out of China is propaganda, and even considering that, China admits that it's growth rate is declining (they will never admit an actual recession).  They have a huge demographic problem with the previous decades one child policy (not that the US is quietly following their path with a disastrous 1.6 birth rate). They have very little technology infrastructure if they can't steal Western tech, and people forget that if they have 1.3B people, they have more people with an IQ below 90 that the US has people (NOT corrected for the 20M new illegals who skew far below average - just another cold hard fact not covered by the MSM) that are either not very productive or unproductive and need support.  They are not supermen.

The rank 72 in the world for GDP/capita, around Mexico, Belarus, Columbia and Thailand.  But again, their demographics are worse, per Mark Stein's book on China, "they will grow old before they grow rich."

Whitewashing their communist record with business deals has been common for quite some time (see the NBA).  The question is: why do they have to do it?  Because they are a communist country with sanctions for stealing IP and human rights violations.  The article mentions sanctions, but the only reason that they state is because of "protectionism", which is the least objectionable (to China) reason for the sanctions.  Nope, no mention of a totalitarian communist state and the state owning a significant percentage of all of the businesses mentioned.

I heard the same nonsense 20 years ago.  While they have made progress, we have decades before they overtake us, assuming that Obama's commie puppets can be stopped.

Well stated.   With no intention to slide the thread, what if anything could "stop" the puppets, media, tech, and academia?


My opinion - everyone wants a quick fix that doesn’t exist.  Both sides will offer “quick fixes” that aren’t fixes and probably will make things worse.
Re-read the Bible and the Constitution, plus maybe the Federalist Papers and some other stuff.
Then start with you - live a politically moral life.  Demand accountability and reject lies and quick fixes.
Don’t be silent when your friends and family get taken in by un-Constitutional ideas and demagogues.
The founders knew that our Democratic Republic required moral people to function.  Re-establishing personal morality and integrity is the biggest key.  Expecting Big Brother to be the substitute for personal morality is the slippery slope to totalitarianism.  Even if it’s “your team” in charge.

Excellent response.   Describes my mindset and path for years now.  "Since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses let us run with endurance the race before us laying aside every weight and sin that so easily ensnares us, looking to Jesus the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and sat down at the right hand of the Father in heaven."

This is the way!
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What’s the German word for pussy ass bitch?
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The Russian Economy at War (2024) - Sanctions, growth, inflation & mounting risks
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The key isn’t Iran but Russia.
Israel can handle Iran if we let them.
Handling Russia requires our support and that’s where Trump is very demonstrably weak.
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I disagree and I think you have it backwards. Trump clobbered Wagner in Syria and had zero qualms about firing Tomahawks at Syria. You think Trump is weak because he wants the end of the Ukraine war (and your irrational hatred of Trump colors your opinion on everything). No one has been harder on Iran than Trump.
Iran and Russia are linked but they will not help each other if the other is attacked. They are $$$ friends out of mutual needs. Israel will need US help on Iran. Unless by "handle" you mean the status quo under Xiden.
Russia is only a threat to Israel via their proxy/allies Iran. Israel and Russia have had a detaunt for years due to mutual interests in Syria, isis etc. and I don't think they will ever come to direct conflict. Heck, half of Israel are Russian Jews.






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I assumed they eventually would. Despite it's age, HAWK is a very good system with a well-trained crew.
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Isn't it presumed that a Hawk, married somehow with an S300 system took down one of the Russians AWAC's?
Link Posted: 9/8/2024 10:08:26 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Capta:

The key isn’t Iran but Russia.
Israel can handle Iran if we let them.
Handling Russia requires our support and that’s where Trump is very demonstrably weak.
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That is why Russia waited until Trump left office to finish off Ukraine.  Facts not feelings are the key to the correct answer.


Link Posted: 9/8/2024 10:09:11 AM EST
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https://www.kyivpost.com/post/34832



Since Putin probably isn't going to go for the peace talks, and Ukraine already said they would I think it ends up Ukraine gets more assistance to push out Russia.

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Want to bet one of the things he would do is remove all limitations on usage?
Link Posted: 9/8/2024 10:11:39 AM EST
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I hope they catch up in time.
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:

Three freaking YEARS after the war started and FOUR after Russia started massing forces?



I hope they catch up in time.
Unserious people tend to ignore whats right in front of them.
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SO.120 (2S9) Nona-S 120 mm Self Propelled Howitzer/Mortar
Armor. The aluminum alloy armor of this vehicle has a
thickness of 1.6 centimeters (0.63 inch) on the hull and
seven millimeters (0.275 inch) on the turret.
Link Posted: 9/8/2024 10:54:18 AM EST
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Purported strike.

🔥 Another Orion strike on a tank in the Kursk region.
Evaluate the accuracy of the operator and how brilliantly the missile hit the target.

Did you watch the video and rate Orion? Donate 50₽ to fund a rally to Kursk for our soldiers!


https://t.me/rustroyka1945/17975


Russian journalist in APR2024, on the Orion.

Somewhere a couple of years before the SVO, we were proudly shown the Russian Orion attack drone. It was developed by the Kronstadt company as our response to the Turkish Bayraktar.

During field tests in Crimea, Orion performed well. The drone easily hit aircraft standing on the ground and even shot down a helicopter-type flying target in the air.

Despite the opening of a new plant of the Kronstadt company in the Moscow region, where it was planned to mass-produce Orion-Pacers, these drones have not yet managed to prove themselves in Ukraine.

They were eclipsed by the Lancets and primitive FPV drones, which thrashed such a heap of enemy equipment that several tanks and trucks shot down by Orion did not make a difference in Mariupol.

In general, the same thing happened with Orion as with the Turkish Bayraktar. This war is not for medium-altitude UAVs. In layered air defense, as attack drones, they are, to put it mildly, useless. As Ukrainian strategists admitted, Russian air defense shot down almost all Bayraktars in the first months of the Northern Military District.

Little is known about the losses of the Orions. Kyiv demonstrated the wreckage of only one drone, which fell near Kherson in April 22.

However, Ukraine continues to build a plant for the production of Bayraktarov. Recently, the Ukrainians began using these Bayraktars as kamikaze drones, striking an oil refinery in Tatarstan.

Of course, Russian Orions are unlikely to be used as kamikazes. For this there are “Calibers” and “Iskanders”. However, they were not abandoned.

Such drones, first of all, can work as both radio signal repeaters and jammers. Well, they are also ideal for patrolling front-line zones, in case of breakthroughs by DRGs.

In general, the Orions have not yet said their last word, and it is too early to write them off. We hope that when the Russian army moves forward, having plowed up the remnants of the Ukrainian air defense with FABs, they will still have to clear numerous cauldrons from the sky, as was the case in Mariupol. Everything will come in handy in war!


https://t.me/Rogatkinlive/299

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I'd be curious what guys who know about welding aluminum would have to say about that.



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Belgorod.
Long day for this guy.

The Ukrainian Armed Forces, using an unmanned aerial vehicle, attacked a fuel storage site in the Volokonovsky district. As a result of the explosion, the tanks caught fire. Fire crews are extinguishing the fire.

Information about the consequences is being clarified. All operational services are working on site.


https://t.me/vvgladkov/9719

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Heaux mad. ~2 min video.

"Everything that is happening now is treachery. Traitors are sitting in the Kremlin!" - Z-blogger "Thirteenth" (Yegor Guzenko) with more than 300,000 subscribers posted several video messages in his Telegram channel, where he spoke harshly about the Kremlin and the current Russian government, as well as indirectly about Putin.

"If 10 years ago one old man would not have messed up, and would have gone, as they say, honestly f*cked up, but not quietly 10 years ago, then all this f*ckery would not have happened, and now they are imprisoning and killing us," "Thirteen" said in his video message.

He added that "everything that is happening now is a betrayal. The traitors are sitting in the Kremlin. Everyone." He said Russian authorities are removing inconvenient ones by putting them in jail, including terrorist Igor Girkin-Strelkov. Guzenko says traitors have taken over the country, and he is not afraid to say so because it is impossible to put all the people in jail.

Later, his team deleted these recordings.

War criminal Yegor Guzenko fought in Donbas since 2014, and in 2019 in Syria. By the time the war in Ukraine started, he was under house arrest. In March 2022, he cut off his electronic bracelet and escaped to the war in Ukraine.Attachment Attached File
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Originally Posted By HIPPO:
Heaux mad. ~2 min video.

"Everything that is happening now is treachery. Traitors are sitting in the Kremlin!" - Z-blogger "Thirteenth" (Yegor Guzenko) with more than 300,000 subscribers posted several video messages in his Telegram channel, where he spoke harshly about the Kremlin and the current Russian government, as well as indirectly about Putin.

"If 10 years ago one old man would not have messed up, and would have gone, as they say, honestly f*cked up, but not quietly 10 years ago, then all this f*ckery would not have happened, and now they are imprisoning and killing us," "Thirteen" said in his video message.

He added that "everything that is happening now is a betrayal. The traitors are sitting in the Kremlin. Everyone." He said Russian authorities are removing inconvenient ones by putting them in jail, including terrorist Igor Girkin-Strelkov. Guzenko says traitors have taken over the country, and he is not afraid to say so because it is impossible to put all the people in jail.

Later, his team deleted these recordings.

War criminal Yegor Guzenko fought in Donbas since 2014, and in 2019 in Syria. By the time the war in Ukraine started, he was under house arrest. In March 2022, he cut off his electronic bracelet and escaped to the war in Ukraine./media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/B7299785-7618-4084-88E5-8461A7254722-387.png
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This happened. His team left an audio recording at 0932ET saying he needs rest and hospitalization for illnesses and injuries

Well, as I understand it, in order not to raise a fuss, everything was quickly closed. That's right.
But those who stirred it up should not be sent to Storm-Z.


https://t.me/Z13_Separ/31891


That was posted with a screenshot saying Sladkov has been accused of discrediting the armed forces.



Link Posted: 9/8/2024 11:12:44 AM EST
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Willkommen Minen

An old German saying

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2 for 1:
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Originally Posted By Capta:

The key isn’t Iran but Russia.
Israel can handle Iran if we let them.
Handling Russia requires our support and that’s where Trump is very demonstrably weak.
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER:
Originally Posted By voyager3:

The more likely Israel is to be wiped off the map, the more likely they will take everyone responsible with them. They might not be able to glass the whole Russia but the flight time from Tel-Aviv to Moscow is 5h in a commercial airliner.

All the Russian leadership class must be made to understand that wherever they go to hide that place will burn and glow white. Who would be more likely to fulfill that promise from the USA side? Trump or Kamala? Putin et al has to be made to believe!

*standing by for some Russian sources from Capta claiming Trump is weak on Israel and Iran...

The key isn’t Iran but Russia.
Israel can handle Iran if we let them.
Handling Russia requires our support and that’s where Trump is very demonstrably weak.



Yet you are suggesting we vote for a man that has been dead for over 26 years. What is with that crap? I know some people claim to see dead people, but I sure as hell don't vote for them.
Link Posted: 9/8/2024 11:42:07 AM EST
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It takes an arrogant fool to think another country should abide by US domestic politics.
Link Posted: 9/8/2024 11:42:54 AM EST
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What's the German word for pussy ass bitch?
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Hes trying to cater to pro-AfD and far left anti-aid groups who want Germany to stop helping Ukraine.
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Our leaders are cowards.  Seems rather simple, GTFO or we will fucking sink you.
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His last thought:  "Well, this is going to suck!"

His Last Words: "Blyatt"
Link Posted: 9/8/2024 12:44:08 PM EST
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Yet you are suggesting we vote for a man that has been dead for over 26 years. What is with that crap? I know some people claim to see dead people, but I sure as hell don't vote for them.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphor
Link Posted: 9/8/2024 12:46:23 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER:

I disagree and I think you have it backwards. Trump clobbered Wagner in Syria and had zero qualms about firing Tomahawks at Syria. You think Trump is weak because he wants the end of the Ukraine war (and your irrational hatred of Trump colors your opinion on everything). No one has been harder on Iran than Trump.
Iran and Russia are linked but they will not help each other if the other is attacked. They are $$$ friends out of mutual needs. Israel will need US help on Iran. Unless by "handle" you mean the status quo under Xiden.
Russia is only a threat to Israel via their proxy/allies Iran. Israel and Russia have had a detaunt for years due to mutual interests in Syria, isis etc. and I don't think they will ever come to direct conflict. Heck, half of Israel are Russian Jews.






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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER:
Originally Posted By Capta:

The key isn’t Iran but Russia.
Israel can handle Iran if we let them.
Handling Russia requires our support and that’s where Trump is very demonstrably weak.

I disagree and I think you have it backwards. Trump clobbered Wagner in Syria and had zero qualms about firing Tomahawks at Syria. You think Trump is weak because he wants the end of the Ukraine war (and your irrational hatred of Trump colors your opinion on everything). No one has been harder on Iran than Trump.
Iran and Russia are linked but they will not help each other if the other is attacked. They are $$$ friends out of mutual needs. Israel will need US help on Iran. Unless by "handle" you mean the status quo under Xiden.
Russia is only a threat to Israel via their proxy/allies Iran. Israel and Russia have had a detaunt for years due to mutual interests in Syria, isis etc. and I don't think they will ever come to direct conflict. Heck, half of Israel are Russian Jews.








The United States should use any attack on Israel as cover for taking out Iranian drone/missile/nuclear/electrical/rail/oil infrastructure using stealth aircraft, and every weapon scrubbed clean of identifying marks. This would choke off supplies to Russia, as well as crippling Iran. Under the cover of plausible deniability Iran would be left wondering if we were the culprits or if Israel is to blame.
Link Posted: 9/8/2024 12:49:39 PM EST
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Isn't it presumed that a Hawk, married somehow with an S300 system took down one of the Russians AWAC's?
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Originally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly:

I assumed they eventually would. Despite it's age, HAWK is a very good system with a well-trained crew.



Isn't it presumed that a Hawk, married somehow with an S300 system took down one of the Russians AWAC's?


The date when I was "in the know" about such things is in the past, but it makes perfect sense and I wouldn't be a bit surprised.  The HAWK was originally designed to bridge the gap between the NIKE-Hercules and SHORAD ADA systems, and do really mean things to Air Breathers at medium to high altitudes.  With the right cueing and relayed upload data, it is well within the capabilities of HAWK to smash something outside of it's published capabilities.
Link Posted: 9/8/2024 12:55:07 PM EST
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Yet you are suggesting we vote for a man that has been dead for over 26 years. What is with that crap? I know some people claim to see dead people, but I sure as hell don't vote for them.
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Originally Posted By Capta:
Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER:
Originally Posted By voyager3:

The more likely Israel is to be wiped off the map, the more likely they will take everyone responsible with them. They might not be able to glass the whole Russia but the flight time from Tel-Aviv to Moscow is 5h in a commercial airliner.

All the Russian leadership class must be made to understand that wherever they go to hide that place will burn and glow white. Who would be more likely to fulfill that promise from the USA side? Trump or Kamala? Putin et al has to be made to believe!

*standing by for some Russian sources from Capta claiming Trump is weak on Israel and Iran...

The key isn’t Iran but Russia.
Israel can handle Iran if we let them.
Handling Russia requires our support and that’s where Trump is very demonstrably weak.



Yet you are suggesting we vote for a man that has been dead for over 26 years. What is with that crap? I know some people claim to see dead people, but I sure as hell don't vote for them.


Besides, everyone knows Goldwater has been voting Democrat ever since he died!
Link Posted: 9/8/2024 1:27:38 PM EST
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FT (no paywall): Iran ships ‘hundreds’ of ballistic missiles to Russia
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Zelenskyy discusses Ukraine's victory plan with US congressmen

"In particular, we talked about the victory plan for Ukraine - about some of its details. And we will present all the steps to President Biden and both presidential candidates - Trump and Harris," he said.
Link Posted: 9/8/2024 1:47:19 PM EST
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Zelenskyy discusses Ukraine's victory plan with US congressmen

"In particular, we talked about the victory plan for Ukraine - about some of its details. And we will present all the steps to President Biden and both presidential candidates - Trump and Harris," he said.
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Don't trust any of them and keep your cards close to your chest.
Link Posted: 9/8/2024 1:48:28 PM EST
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200? 200 for now at least. I'll bet russia is going to use these things to hit important ukranian military targets at important turning points during battles, and things like f16 airfields.
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200? 200 for now at least. I'll bet russia is going to use these things to hit important ukranian military targets at important turning points during battles, and things like f16 airfields.
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transit via the Caspian Sea is problematic from an interdiction perspective.
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