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Posted: 9/17/2024 8:52:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Rule #1 is never underestimate Mossad. Rule #2 is never underestimate the capability, resolve, and involvement of seemingly benign Israeli businesses and civilians. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Originally Posted By voyager3: Originally Posted By CMOS: How the hell did the Israelis get that deep into the supply chain to plant these devices? This is James Bond level shit. CMOS Motorola used to have a lot of engineering presence in Israel, at least before it became a shadow if its former self. Rule #1 is never underestimate Mossad. Rule #2 is never underestimate the capability, resolve, and involvement of seemingly benign Israeli businesses and civilians. Another interesting thing is that now a number of terrorists and their sympathizers have been publicly marked. Intelligence officers can watch the hospitals and gather intelligence to use later. |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 9:07:00 PM EST
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Posted: 9/17/2024 9:10:57 PM EST
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Iran's ambassador severely injured, losing an eye. The pagers, including the one used by the ambassador, beeped for about 10 seconds before exploding, prompting some victims to hold the devices close to their eyes and faces to check for a message.
Live blog articles below, link. Iran’s ambassador to Lebanon, Mojtaba Amini, lost one eye and severely injured his other eye when a pager he was carrying exploded in a simultaneous wave of blasts targeting wireless electronic devices, according to two members of Iran’s Revolutionary Guards Corps briefed on the attack. The Guards members, who had knowledge of the attacks and spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly, said Mr. Amini’s injuries were more serious than Iran initially reported and that he would be medevacked to Tehran for treatment. Hossein Soleimani, the editor in chief of Mashregh, the main Revolutionary Guards news website, confirmed the extent of Mr. Amini’s injuries in a post on X. “Unfortunately the injuries sustained by Iran’s ambassador were extremely severe and in his eyes,” Mr. Soleimani wrote. A video of Mr. Amini being transported to the hospital, published by Iranian news media outlets, shows him on a chaotic Beirut street with his eyes covered by bandages and the front of his white shirt covered in blood. Iran’s foreign minister, Abbas Araghchi, condemned the attack in a call with Lebanon’s foreign minister and said Iran was ready to medevac the ambassador and other injured people to Iran for medical treatment if needed, according to a statement released by his office. He spoke to Mr. Amini’s wife in Beirut and wished the ambassador a speedy recovery, the statement said. The attacks appeared to mostly target members of Hezbollah, a political and militia group backed and supported by Iran. Hezbollah and Israel have engaged in intense clashes across their borders since the Hamas-led Oct. 7 attacks on Israel last year. Hezbollah accused Israel, which did not comment, of responsibility for the blasts. Narges Ghadirian, the ambassador’s wife, said in a post on X earlier on Tuesday that her husband “is slightly injured but thank God he is all right and the danger has passed.” Iranian media reported that two of the ambassador’s bodyguards were also injured because they were carrying pagers that exploded. Tasnim News agency, which is affiliated with the Revolutionary Guards, said similar devices also exploded in Syria. One of the Guards members said the pagers, including the one used by the ambassador, beeped for about 10 seconds before exploding, prompting some victims to hold the devices close to their eyes and faces to check for a message. The two Guards members said the pagers were used only by Hezbollah members and operatives and not widely distrusted among ordinary citizens. Lebanon’s foreign minister, Abdallah Bou Habib, said the country was bracing for a major retaliation by Hezbollah. “If Israel thinks by this that they’re going to return their displaced people from the north of Israel, they are mistaken. This escalates this war,” Bou Habib said in a phone call with The New York Times. |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 9:15:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alexein: That also doesn't make sense to me, I don't understand why the entire planet isn't loosing their minds and Israel hasn't offered some sort of statement claiming they had nothing to do with the event, weather they did or did not. A side effect of discovering Hezbollah it will show who is an ally of Israel, while everyone is quietly checking their pagers. Best fraternity prank EVER!! The world knows that Israel and the hezbo's have been in a death feud for decades. If Hezbollah could kill every single person living in Israel, they would. Tonight! So fuck them and their sympathizers. |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 9:17:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alexein: Why blow the cover though they could have droned all 4k of them without anyone knowing how they were tracked, unless they were compromised and this was a last ditch to get some use out of an very long and expensive operation. Israel ruthless and clever I wouldn't expect them to risk so much for so little, there has to be more. The plan was to detonate the pagers during a major Israeli attack. The plan was about to be discovered, so they blew up half of Hezbollah's middle management early. As it is, they are asking for oral surgeons and veterinarians to go to hospitals to help, and Lebanon doesn't have enough eye surgeons to treat the wounded. Seems like more than "so little". |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 9:24:16 PM EST
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Posted: 9/17/2024 9:31:50 PM EST
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I'm jealous that I didn't think of this first. It probably doesn't take a lot of C4 if you have held to your ear. Being on the inside and knowing they are buying pagers/phones in bulk, has its advantages.
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AK, USA
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Posted: 9/17/2024 9:34:24 PM EST
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I just would have thought spectators of party vs party would take offence with the use of indiscriminate weapons within civilian population. I get that definitions of civilian, terrorist and indiscriminate are fluid, I guess I am just old fashioned. I was equally surprised with the use of an explosive device on a robot a few years back to get kill a citizen who was out of ammunition and barricaded in a parking garage. I was talking with a coworker today and the conversation drifted to the aerosol fentanyl used by FSB and he said, "wow, how humane", I was dumbfounded, but had to agree it is better way to go than some alternatives. I digress, it was just a surprised that more of the planet doesn't align with my internal concept of honor in conflict if not at least publicly, I mean what is next poisoning your political rivals lol (sarcasm). I guess I just see it a slippery slope from use in war to use in law enforcement, to a monopoly on justice. The end of dualling was the end of societies, explosive pagers, well if that is the game we are going to play it is going to get wild. Disappointment isn't the thought I was trying to convey, but as I reflect there is a bit cognitive dissonance, it is easy to admire cunning. Agreed Israel doesn't always project the same as we have come to expect from the west and they are often not on their information warfare game, so it is difficult to speculate what it is official. It is historic!
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NV, USA
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Posted: 9/17/2024 9:38:24 PM EST
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Posted: 9/17/2024 9:44:13 PM EST
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Big god damned kaboom
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Posted: 9/17/2024 9:48:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher15: Big god damned kaboom
Holy shit. The shock wave was so big it set off the other ammo depots. |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 9:49:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K0UA: Not likely if you keep the people distributed on the island. Just don't get too many over on one side. THEN there could be trouble, oh, and don't rock around either. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K0UA: Originally Posted By Circuits: Originally Posted By WoodHeat: I wonder why they didn't mention Guam. Guam to Taiwan is only about 1500 nm. We can't move more forces to Guam. It might tip over. Not likely if you keep the people distributed on the island. Just don't get too many over on one side. THEN there could be trouble, oh, and don't rock around either. Guess that explains the 45 mph speed limit! 
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Posted: 9/17/2024 9:59:53 PM EST
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Israel will be mapping out injuries, hospital admissions, social media posts, electronic communications, news footage, and medical records, linking them all to people who had these pagers today. Forget the injuries and deaths; Israel just created a massive and growing trove of intelligence, family ties, co conspirators, foot soldiers and alot opf the officer corps.
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Posted: 9/17/2024 10:02:03 PM EST
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Posted: 9/17/2024 10:06:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GoldenMead: Holy shit. The shock wave was so big it set off the other ammo depots. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GoldenMead: Originally Posted By Cypher15: Big god damned kaboom
Holy shit. The shock wave was so big it set off the other ammo depots.
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Posted: 9/17/2024 10:11:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alexein: I just would have thought spectators of party vs party would take offence with the use of indiscriminate weapons within civilian population. I get that definitions of civilian, terrorist and indiscriminate are fluid, I guess I am just old fashioned. I was equally surprised with the use of an explosive device on a robot a few years back to get kill a citizen who was out of ammunition and barricaded in a parking garage. I was talking with a coworker today and the conversation drifted to the aerosol fentanyl used by FSB and he said, "wow, how humane", I was dumbfounded, but had to agree it is better way to go than some alternatives. I digress, it was just a surprised that more of the planet doesn't align with my internal concept of honor in conflict if not at least publicly, I mean what is next poisoning your political rivals lol (sarcasm). I guess I just see it a slippery slope from use in war to use in law enforcement, to a monopoly on justice. The end of dualling was the end of societies, explosive pagers, well if that is the game we are going to play it is going to get wild. Disappointment isn't the thought I was trying to convey, but as I reflect there is a bit cognitive dissonance, it is easy to admire cunning. Agreed Israel doesn't always project the same as we have come to expect from the west and they are often not on their information warfare game, so it is difficult to speculate what it is official. It is historic! Just my 2 ducats. Israel was monitoring their phones, and tracking them so they decided to go to pagers to prevent Israel from eating their lunch. Apparently someone got a the team a group buy on these, so they were going to known bad guys. You will probably see injured "aid workers" as well from several organizations. The same ones the terrorists use the basements of. It's a brilliant move. |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 10:24:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXubHC0XIAAzu27?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXua3MfXoAA5KXt?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXufSemXYAAPztS?format=png&name=small So what happens if Ukraine hits an ammo depot, some idiot Russians stored nukes there, and a sympathetic nuclear detonation results? |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 10:35:08 PM EST
[Last Edit: Capta]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher15: Big god damned kaboom
Wowzers! ….”falling debris hit the ground causing some fires.”… 
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Posted: 9/17/2024 10:37:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher15: Welp, that place is a total loss. So what happens if Ukraine hits an ammo depot, some idiot Russians stored nukes there, and a sympathetic nuclear detonation results? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher15: Originally Posted By Prime:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXubHC0XIAAzu27?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXua3MfXoAA5KXt?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXufSemXYAAPztS?format=png&name=small So what happens if Ukraine hits an ammo depot, some idiot Russians stored nukes there, and a sympathetic nuclear detonation results? I think Russian nukes are always stored at their own separate sites. |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 10:43:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher15: Welp, that place is a total loss. So what happens if Ukraine hits an ammo depot, some idiot Russians stored nukes there, and a sympathetic nuclear detonation results? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher15: Originally Posted By Prime:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXubHC0XIAAzu27?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXua3MfXoAA5KXt?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXufSemXYAAPztS?format=png&name=small So what happens if Ukraine hits an ammo depot, some idiot Russians stored nukes there, and a sympathetic nuclear detonation results? Probably a low yield detonation, dirty bomb. |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 10:54:01 PM EST
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Posted: 9/17/2024 11:17:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXul5rGWMAAowRn?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXupVvXXsAAnFGb?format=jpg&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXuuxddW0AAGP6v?format=jpg&name=large A quick look at the map says this is about 200 miles to the Ukrainian border. Along with LR drones, this puts it within the range of Neptune cruise missiles. |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 11:30:17 PM EST
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 Russia's Remaining Towed Artillery - Approaching Crisis Point |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 11:45:21 PM EST
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Posted: 9/18/2024 12:14:19 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: A quick look at the map says this is about 200 miles to the Ukrainian border. Along with LR drones, this puts it within the range of Neptune cruise missiles. The kinetic energy of a cruise missile allows for much more effect against hardened targets like munitions bunkers. |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 12:30:36 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher15: Welp, that place is a total loss. So what happens if Ukraine hits an ammo depot, some idiot Russians stored nukes there, and a sympathetic nuclear detonation results? I don't believe nukes work that way. |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 12:46:10 AM EST
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Posted: 9/18/2024 1:05:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryThings that happen when you drag ass but I do question his assessment. |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 1:20:25 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher15: Things that happen when you drag ass but I do question his assessment. I’d have to dig for it but I’m pretty sure Rob Lee and Mike Kaufman also made a similar claim earlier this month. I don’t k ow what metrics they are all using to make these claims, so hard for me to comment one way or the other. |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 1:56:09 AM EST
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Mobilized servicemen appealed to the Governor of Altai Krai with a request for help, stating that they wanted to send them to the assault without any preparation. Lazarev Boris Evgenievich , born August 8, 1999, and Skorik Sergei Sergeevich , born in 1994, natives of the Altai Territory, serve in the 1st platoon of the repair and recovery company of the 1442nd regiment (military unit 95383). They said that during mobilization they were promised service in the rear, but despite this, they wanted to send them to the assault: "We were tightening screws, we were repairing equipment. Everything seemed to be fine. But it didn't last that long." According to them, the reason for such a decision by the command is the lack of personnel. Now they are planning to send people who have not undergone even minimal training to the assault: "Due to the fact that there are large losses on the front line, they decided to use us to plug the holes... Without any training, without the ability to shoot, without the ability to provide any medical assistance, they send us to the assault, that is, to the front as cannon fodder. They just want to plug the holes with us." The soldiers reported that they refused to storm the building for the first time. For this they were beaten and warned that they would soon storm it anyway: "We don't know what to do with this. So please help us... We are just tired. We want to go home, to our families, wives, children." |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 2:00:14 AM EST
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Posted: 9/18/2024 2:07:40 AM EST
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The first and largest was a 2.8 at 3:56 Hrs Moscow Time, and the most recent was a 2.7 at 6:23 Hrs 11 of the 17 explosions registered 2.5 or greater, which is on the edge of where a human can perceive the shaking |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 2:10:17 AM EST
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Holy shit another one.
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Posted: 9/18/2024 2:15:37 AM EST
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Using the math from @Mattl8241 in his Russian Logistics Thread this single depot if at full capacity with 22,080 tons of munitions could supply Task Group North if I'm reading his math correctly of tonnage of munitions every 3 days. Feel free to correct me if I read the math wrong. Read his thread of threads and his spreadsheet below. 👇
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Posted: 9/18/2024 2:20:07 AM EST
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Posted: 9/18/2024 2:57:01 AM EST
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These last 24 hrs have been explosive with Russia and Hezbollah
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Posted: 9/18/2024 4:30:28 AM EST
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Posted: 9/18/2024 4:32:55 AM EST
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 when the war came home to toropets, russia.
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MD, USA
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Posted: 9/18/2024 5:55:00 AM EST
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A rather good post by Mal_means_bad in the Pager Explosion Thread:
LINKY The Iranian ambassador, the son of a VIP, etc at the top got hit, most of the casualties on video are well fed middle aged men in polos and slacks (captains and senior lieutenants?), and a handful of them are skinny poor looking flip-flop wearing young dudes on scooters (squad leaders?). There'd be more skinny young guys wounded if every squad leader got a pager, instead the majority of the wounded seem to be fat and in their mid thirties and forties, thus middle ranks. So it appears every level of the Hezbollah officer corps got hit, but disproportionately in the middle and higher ranks, which makes perfect sense if senior officers got the new pagers first and the dregs slowly trickled down to the shooters as new gear often does. Hezbollah claims to be 100,000 men, but before 10/7 independent estimates started at 20,000 active plus 20,000 reserve and topped out at 50,000. So let's say 50,000 and suppose there's one officer for every five boots as in the US Army, thus 8,333 officers. If so 3,900 casualties from pager bombs (so far) is 46% of their officer corps incapacitated. |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 6:01:06 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: To maintain the secrecy and have that many enemy combatants simultaneously injured/killed. Bravo Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: Originally Posted By jungatheart: I'm reading in excess of 2,700 pagers affected. Great OP, much respect. To maintain the secrecy and have that many enemy combatants simultaneously injured/killed. Bravo F'ing genius is what it is. An all-time intelligence success that will be written about, studied and taught for decades. We just witnessed history. |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 6:13:00 AM EST
[Last Edit: michigan66]
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Pagers tied to a company in Budapest--their business sign was a piece of paper taped to the door. Article from X post below
Media sources first reported that Hezbollah had recently ordered 5,000 of the latest model of pager from Gold Apollo, a Taiwanese company, which Gold Apollo then denied. The company's CEO, Hsu Ching-Kuang, told reporters on Wednesday that the pagers involved in Tuesday's explosions bear the Taiwan company's logo but were not manufactured by it, the state-run Central News Agency (CNA) reported. According to the CEO, the pagers were reportedly designed and manufactured by a company based in Hungary called BAC. "As per the agreement, we authorize BAC to use our brand trademark for product sales in specific regions, but the design and manufacturing of the products are entirely handled by BAC," Ching-Kuang stated. The stated address for BAC Consulting in Budapest was a building on a mostly residential street in an outer suburb. The company name was posted on the glass door on an A4 sheet. A person at the building who asked not to be named said BAC Consulting was registered at the address but did not have a physical presence there. Several other companies were also registered at that address, though none answered telephone calls and physical inquiries from Reuters. The CEO of BAC Consulting, Cristiana Barsony-Arcidiacono says on her LinkedIn profile that she has worked as an adviser for various organizations including UNESCO. She did not respond to emails from Reuters. The company website makes no reference to manufacturing. According to high-level regional intelligence sources speaking to Al-Monitor on Wednesday, the decision to carry out the Israeli-attributed pager attack was "imposed" on Israel following an intelligence breach that involved two Hezbollah operatives who discovered that the devices had been tampered with. The report adds that Israel's original plan was to detonate the pagers only in the event of a full-blown war with Hezbollah in order to gain a strategic advantage over the organization, but was forced to detonate on Tuesday. |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 6:30:51 AM EST
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Posted: 9/18/2024 6:36:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sebastian_MacMaine: Toropets ammo dump is still burning in daylight  Fuck yeah! It will burn for a couple of days. No way to put this out. |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 7:08:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By borderpatrol: I'm jealous that I didn't think of this first. It probably doesn't take a lot of C4 if you have held to your ear. Being on the inside and knowing they are buying pagers/phones in bulk, has its advantages. Not much more explosives (maybe less) than in a blasting cap. I'm very curious about the explosive used and how triggered. Probably a similar type and design to an electrical blasting cap. PETN? C4, like most explosives would need a separate blasting cap or similar to initiate which takes away too much space in the pager. Tiny amounts of explosives are hard to use/trigger. The damage from the pagers looks more than from a typical blasting cap. Hopefully we will never learn the exact details but I would not be surprised if some pagers failed to blow and will be examined by Iran, China, etc. |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 7:10:33 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: Fuck yeah! It will burn for a couple of days. No way to put this out. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By Sebastian_MacMaine: Toropets ammo dump is still burning in daylight Fuck yeah! It will burn for a couple of days. No way to put this out. Could be Neptune, could also be Stormshadow. The decision was reportedly close, and someone said the warning would be when Stormshadow lands on targets. |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 7:11:11 AM EST
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Posted: 9/18/2024 7:13:59 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By michigan66:
Pagers tied to a company in Budapest--their business sign was a piece of paper taped to the door. Article from X post below
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By michigan66:
Pagers tied to a company in Budapest--their business sign was a piece of paper taped to the door. Article from X post below
Media sources first reported that Hezbollah had recently ordered 5,000 of the latest model of pager from Gold Apollo, a Taiwanese company, which Gold Apollo then denied. The company's CEO, Hsu Ching-Kuang, told reporters on Wednesday that the pagers involved in Tuesday's explosions bear the Taiwan company's logo but were not manufactured by it, the state-run Central News Agency (CNA) reported. According to the CEO, the pagers were reportedly designed and manufactured by a company based in Hungary called BAC. "As per the agreement, we authorize BAC to use our brand trademark for product sales in specific regions, but the design and manufacturing of the products are entirely handled by BAC," Ching-Kuang stated. The stated address for BAC Consulting in Budapest was a building on a mostly residential street in an outer suburb. The company name was posted on the glass door on an A4 sheet. A person at the building who asked not to be named said BAC Consulting was registered at the address but did not have a physical presence there. Several other companies were also registered at that address, though none answered telephone calls and physical inquiries from Reuters. The CEO of BAC Consulting, Cristiana Barsony-Arcidiacono says on her LinkedIn profile that she has worked as an adviser for various organizations including UNESCO. She did not respond to emails from Reuters. The company website makes no reference to manufacturing. According to high-level regional intelligence sources speaking to Al-Monitor on Wednesday, the decision to carry out the Israeli-attributed pager attack was "imposed" on Israel following an intelligence breach that involved two Hezbollah operatives who discovered that the devices had been tampered with. The report adds that Israel's original plan was to detonate the pagers only in the event of a full-blown war with Hezbollah in order to gain a strategic advantage over the organization, but was forced to detonate on Tuesday. No way to tell if its disinformation, but if the story is true that two Hezbollah randos discovered the tampering, it means that they have monitoring from the pagers, ergo they have a shitload of info on Hezbollah now. |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 7:15:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: Oh no, I’m devastated.
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Posted: 9/18/2024 7:15:51 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXvRCIeXoAAOJAU?format=jpg&name=largewhen the war came home to toropets, russia. The more I look at that picture, the creepier that room is. |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 7:18:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO: sweet baby jesus on a unicycle… I bet that guy stopped at a gas station to fill up on his way out of town. Lovely daytime views, lots of explosions still heard. Daytime, rolling explosions still ongoing. |
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