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Link Posted: 10/15/2024 11:29:27 AM EDT
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🇨🇳 national Fengyun Shi, a grad student studying agricultural engineering at the University of Minnesota, has been sentenced to 6 months in prison after pleading guilty to two misdemeanor counts of use of aircraft for the unlawful photographing of a designated installation without authorization in connection with his drone flying in January above Newport News Shipbuilding in Norfolk.

Shi has also been ordered to be on court supervision for one year after his release as part of his sentence under a World War II-era statute that is part of the Espionage Act.Former U student from China given 6-month prison term for taking drone photos over naval shipyard
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Ukraine War | October 2024

Ukrainian road and rail logistics axes to Pokrovsk and Kurakhove.
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Ukraine War | October 2024

To complete yesterday's logistics mapping, a general view of the Kupiansk | Pokrovsk axis in order to be able to locate the different front lines or cities mentioned in the various news items.

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🇨🇳 national Fengyun Shi, a grad student studying agricultural engineering at the University of Minnesota, has been sentenced to 6 months in prison after pleading guilty to two misdemeanor counts of use of aircraft for the unlawful photographing of a designated installation without authorization in connection with his drone flying in January above Newport News Shipbuilding in Norfolk.

Shi has also been ordered to be on court supervision for one year after his release as part of his sentence under a World War II-era statute that is part of the Espionage Act.Former U student from China given 6-month prison term for taking drone photos over naval shipyard
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Over 3,000 Chinese nationals go to school at the UM Minneapolis.  Local news was covering this.
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Escape from the meat grinder: the making of a Russian deserter
Thousands are refusing to go into battle for Putin. These are two of their stories

Oct 11th 2024



By Arkady Ostrovsky

The house was one of the few in Bakhmut that still had a roof. Rucksacks, rifles and dirty clothes were strewn across the floor. Stepan wished he was alone in the makeshift base, and tried to block out the chatter of the dozen or so other soldiers. He had not washed or shaved for weeks. His clothes were almost black – encrusted in the heat with sweat, blood and mud. An itchy rash had spread all over his body, but Stepan had decided he wasn’t going to clean himself until this was all over. He couldn’t imagine when that would be.

From August 2022 to May 2023, Bakhmut was the site of ferocious fighting between Russia and Ukraine. Stepan had just spent two hellish weeks on the front line, before managing to drag himself back to base. Now he’d been ordered to return to the meat grinder. “I lost faith and I lost hope and I certainly lost trust in any of the commanders,” he said.

He went down into the pitch-black cellar which served as a dormitory. The air was close and smelled of mould. He lay on a bunk and closed his eyes – but he could not sleep, despite the fact that he had been awake for days. Eventually he got out of bed, returned upstairs and sat by himself at the table, trying to put his mind in order. He thought of the cross he always wore around his neck, which he had lost wading through a swamp. The next day he would be expected to take part in an assault on the Ukrainian trenches. “I knew I would not come out alive.”

“I lost faith and I lost hope and I certainly lost trust in any of the commanders”

Stepan picked up a grenade fuze – a small tube that contains the explosives with a ring attached to it. He walked outside to a shed, closed the door and imagined what it would feel like were he to pull the ring. But he didn’t.

Instead, he put the fuze in his pocket and went to join the other soldiers preparing for the assault. Quad bikes dropped the men off by a copse near a railway line. From there, they were to advance directly towards the Ukrainian positions in small groups. Stepan sat under a tree while others scouted ahead. He stared intently in front of him in order to “work himself into a daze and switch off from reality”. Then he took out the fuze and pulled the ring.

I first met Stepan this May in Yerevan, the capital of Armenia. He is in his early 20s but, lacking facial hair, he looked younger. His eyes were piercing and his fingers long and delicate. He wore a zip-up fleece, even though it was t-shirt weather. It had been only a few days since he escaped from Russia. During the daytime he slept; his nights were spent scrolling through social media, brooding over his ordeal. He seemed nervous, and kept looking down at the table. Eventually he ordered a glass of sweet liquor: “Otherwise I won’t be able to tell you anything,” he said.

Stepan is one of more than 1,000 men who have deserted from the Russian army with the help of a volunteer group called Idite Lesom (this translates literally as “Go through the forest”, but colloquially means “Get lost”). Idite Lesom has also helped tens of thousands of Russians dodge the draft. The organisation says the number of requests from potential deserters rose tenfold from January 2023 to January 2024. Two-thirds of these deserters have left the country, primarily for Armenia, Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan – states that allow Russians to enter without a passport. The rest are hiding in Russia. Most western countries offer little help.

There is no precise figure for the total number of Russian deserters, but it is clearly increasing. In the first seven months of 2024, the Russian army prosecuted 5,200 soldiers for going absent without leave (awol) – more than in the entirety of 2023. Many of these cases end with suspended sentences, so that the accused can be sent back to the front. The size of the Russian army in Ukraine is about 540,000 men, and the rate of desertion is around 2.5% – the same rate as the German army experienced during the second world war.

On the Ukrainian side, some 100,000 men are said to have absconded, and the rate of desertion and unauthorised absence may be as high as 10%. On a recent trip to Ukraine I met two men who had fled from the front, along with half of their 700-strong brigade. Neither wished to be cannon fodder. “I am not a cat. I don’t have nine lives. I only have one life,” one told me. Idite Lesom is now getting requests for help from Ukrainian soldiers and draft-dodgers, which they turn down on principle. Grigory Sverdlin, its founder, explains that his volunteers are not pacifists but part of the resistance to Vladimir Putin’s war.

Most Russian deserters are neither conscientious objectors nor ardent opponents of the regime. They are ordinary men who trusted their government and accepted its edicts, because that’s what they had always done. Sverdlin believes such soldiers deserve his help, even if their desire to flee the battlefield is not primarily driven by conscience: “What matters is the fact that the deserters no longer want to participate in this war, not how they got involved in it.” The deserters I have spoken to tended to have three things in common: a close brush with death, an almost mystical sense that they were saved, and a strong motivation to keep living.

They are ordinary men who trusted their government and accepted its edicts, because that’s what they had always done

Over the past quarter-century, Vladimir Putin has embraced war as Russia’s national destiny and fostered a cult of death in which he has equated bravery with indifference to life. In totalitarian regimes the fear of death acquires meaning beyond the instinct of self preservation – it is a reassertion of humanity. According to Olga Fedyanina, a Russian expert on 20th-century German history, “Fear of the state can paralyse people. The fear of death can bring them out of this paralysis and give them courage to act,” she told me.

War has not always been glorified in Russia’s recent history. Elena Racheva, a sociologist at the University of Oxford, has explained how the Soviet war in Afghanistan during the 1980s, and Russia’s first war in Chechnya in the mid-1990s, were perceived at home as blunders. Russian soldiers – most of them conscripts – were treated as victims of politics rather than heroes.

From the beginning of his rule, Putin changed his narrative. He recast the humiliations of Afghanistan and Chechnya as audacious sequels to the great patriotic war of 1941-45 – as Russians call the second world war. He controlled the media coverage of the second Chechen war, fought between 1999 and 2009, and ensured that it became regarded as a heroic saga in the public imagination. In 2020, a much-mythologised last stand by a band of Russian paratroopers in Chechnya was commemorated with a huge military festival. This involved a musical with a chorus line dressed in uniform, dancing with Kalashnikovs and firing intermittently at the ceiling.

The same year, a vast cathedral dedicated to Russia’s armed forces was inaugurated in Moscow. A Byzantine-style monstrosity in khaki-coloured stone, its floor was made from melted-down German tanks. The dome was decorated with mosaics and stained glass commemorating Russian military escapades, including the annexation of Crimea in 2014 and the intervention in Syria’s civil war.

Putin has exploited a national disposition to see lack of care for one’s life as a virtue. As he said recently, “I think only our people could have come up with the famous saying: ‘Death is beautiful when you’ve got people around you [watching]’. How come? Death is horrible, isn’t it? But no, it appears it may be beautiful if it serves the people. Death for one’s friends, one’s people or for the homeland…Many peoples have their own advantages but this is certainly ours.”

At the beginning of 2022 Stepan was 21 years old and working as a mechanic at Norilsk Nickel, one of Russia’s largest mining firms, located 300km north of the Arctic Circle on the site of a former gulag. The climate was bitterly cold and the air was toxic. When the wind blew, Stepan’s throat would itch and he could taste sulphur in his mouth. Stepan did not plan to work there long – he wanted eventually to move back to Bashkiria, a region in central Russia where he was born before his family moved to Norilsk. He was only four months away from qualifying for a mortgage and dreamed of starting a family of his own if he could find the right woman. Perhaps he would study engineering in the Czech Republic. Politics didn’t preoccupy him. “I wanted everything to be normal and Putin did not have much influence on the lives of the young people.” He obeyed the rules and accepted the existing order like the weather.

Then, in February 2022, Putin launched his “special military operation” in Ukraine. Stepan believed that it would last only a few days, since Russian troops were already near Kyiv.

So, too, did Putin.

But Ukrainian resistance was more vigorous than expected, and Russia was forced to retreat from Kyiv and Kharkiv. In September that year Putin declared a partial mobilisation – the first since the second world war – as he realised this would become a war of attrition. Like most large enterprises in Russia, Norilsk Nickel, nominally a private firm, is controlled by an oligarch loyal to Putin. The company was obliged to provide a certain number of employees to the army, just as 18th- and 19th-century landlords supplied their serfs for the tsar’s wars.

Vladimir Putin has embraced war as Russia’s national destiny and fostered a cult of death in which he has equated bravery with indifference to life

Stepan was unlucky that his last name starts with an A: “They probably just picked up a bunch of files that were close to the top.” A member of the local military commissariat delivered his mobilisation papers to his front door. The foreman from the plant accompanied her, shook Stepan’s hand and said, “It’s just the way things go.” Stepan was now a mobik – a derogatory word used to describe the hundreds of thousands of Russian men used as cannon fodder. Most of them did not join enthusiastically but neither did they resist with ardour. “I was always told to go with the flow and not stick my head out,” Stepan said.

This attitude has been at the heart of Russian culture for centuries. In 1893, on his way to his country estate, Leo Tolstoy observed a train full of soldiers. The men were “for the most part good, kind, even tender-hearted fellows”, yet they were willingly going off to put down a revolt of famished peasants just a few miles away. “Why do they do it? What forces them to believe that the existing order is unchanging and they must support it?” he asked in “The Kingdom of God is Within You”, his treatise on non-violence. Tolstoy concludes that fear of the state compels people into the army – and the might of the army sustains the coercive power of the state.

Tolstoy’s observations remain relevant today. “I was more scared of going to jail than I was of going to war, because at the time I could not imagine anything scarier than jail,” Stepan said. Opinion polls suggest that people fear violence at the hands of the state more than they fear poverty, illness or even dying itself.

War and death in Russia have become a commercial enterprise. Men who have been mobilised receive a monthly salary of 200,000 roubles – three times the average. Those who sign up voluntarily get more. The signing-on bonus is about $5,000 – 40% more than at the start of the year – though in some regions it can reach $30,000. The army does not just provide cash – it also offers status, debt write-offs, tax breaks, child care and exemption from criminal prosecution. And for many people the death of a son or father brings a great fortune as well as pride: the family of a slain soldier can receive up to 15m roubles ($150,000) in recompense.

Russia is now spending 1.5% of its gdp on soldiers and their families, though the sharp increase in signing-on bonuses suggests that Putin is running out of willing volunteers. Nonetheless, tens of thousands of Russian men have come to see the war as a remunerative if gruelling job, akin to working in a remote oilfield or mine.

The morning after Stepan received his papers, he was told by an officer at the mustering point that he was being mobilised to “defend the motherland”. He and his family knew this was a lie, but went along with it. They spent the rest of the day shopping for necessities that they knew the army would not provide: boots, warm clothes, a sleeping mat, a dumb phone, painkillers, a rucksack.

The company was ordered to provide a certain number of employees to the army, just as 18th- and 19th-century landlords supplied their serfs for the tsar’s wars

Stepan’s father saw him off the day after – his mother stayed at home as “it was just too much for her”. Patriotic music blasted out of loudspeakers, as the young men were loaded onto buses and taken to Norilsk airport. Nobody told them where they were going; none of the new recruits felt compelled to ask.

They were flown to Omsk, a city in Siberia, for training, and dumped outside a hangar while they waited to be assigned to their units. They camped in the open air and made fires to keep warm. Stepan, who had done a year’s compulsory national service when he was 18, found the training extremely basic: an occasional run, lessons in first aid, and instruction on how to strip down and reassemble a Kalashnikov. Much of this was staged for the benefit of a television crew that wanted to film well-fed, well-equipped reservists excitedly preparing “day and night”.

All the recruits were given an abridged Bible and a pamphlet of patriotic propaganda, which stated that Russian soldiers were “fighting on the side of Good…against Ukrainian nationalism and world Satanism.” It ended with a quote from Putin: “We will go to heaven as martyrs and they will die like animals.” Stepan told me he felt repulsed. “I don’t know who this propaganda is made for…imbeciles?”

Stepan was assigned to the 83rd Air Assault Brigade based in Nova Kakhovka, a Ukrainian town in the south-east of the country that had been occupied by Russian forces since the beginning of the invasion. Shortly after arriving there, he searched for his unit on the internet and learned that soldiers who had served in this brigade had slaughtered dozens of civilians in Bucha, a suburb of Kyiv, and been involved in atrocities in Mariupol.

Some of his comrades boasted of their brutality to prove their toughness. One told Stepan how he had sometimes killed children in Mariupol, fearing that they might throw a grenade or shoot at him. Recalling the conversation, Stepan struggled to speak. “I can’t remember the details,” he said, averting his eyes.

Stepan sought out “normal” soldiers to patrol his patch with him – a village 10km east of Nova Kakhovka called Raiske (which translates as Paradise). He did not encounter any resistance from the locals. Those who objected to Russia’s occupation had long since fled. A drunk soldier living in his house boasted about raping a woman across the street. (The woman pressed charges and the man soon disappeared.)  Stepan felt he had missed his chance to escape this dire situation and had no way out: “I felt I was going mad.”

On New Year’s Eve, Stepan was sent to Enerhodar – the site of the Zaporizhia nuclear-power station – to defend it against a Ukrainian attack. The soldiers were housed in a bunker deep underground and disguised as power-plant workers in a futile attempt to pull the wool over the eyes of inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency, who were allowed in by the Russians to assure the safety of the plant. “It was a ridiculous sight,” he said. “Some guys with machineguns in white dressing gowns and helmets.”

Stepan was unlucky that his last name starts with an A: “They probably just picked up a bunch of files that were close to the top”

At Enerhodar, Stepan was put in charge of a captured armoured vehicle in need of fixing. He had no idea where to begin, and was overcome by the fear of failure. Psychologically, he said, these were among the most difficult months of war so far. “I did not yet know the fear of death, because I had not seen it close up.” But he knew the time would come soon. One day his commander shaved his head and said, “We need to turn you into a killing machine.”

Some deserters are most struck by the horror of the war, others by its absurdity. The Russian state crushes many of those whom it exploits. But it also breeds an anarchic streak that allows enterprising individuals to dodge its reach.

Victor was a good-looking, streetwise 33-year-old car mechanic from Magadan, a port city in the far east of Russia. Years in a harsh environment far from Moscow had taught him how to rely on his own devices. On his call-up papers, he scribbled protests against his enlistment but told himself that he would always be able to wriggle out of his obligations if he needed to. “I thought that if they sent me to the rear – as they promised – I would slack off. And if they send me to the front, I would run away.”

In fact, he was tasked with operating a tank, but had to wait for over a month for one to become available. The first consignment of T-80s – designed in the 1960s, built in the 1980s and rusting in the tank graveyards – arrived in December 2022. But they were far from battle-ready. They had turrets, cannons and treads, but no communication systems and no gun sights. Crucially, only two out of the ten had working engines. The tanks were transported to the village of Respublika, just north of Mariupol, where Victor spent several weeks fixing them up.

This was not a front-line assignment, but it was still dangerous. Shortly before he arrived, two mechanics had been badly injured when a shell exploded inside a rusty cannon. The first time Victor tested whether his tank could fire, he tied a rope to the trigger and yanked it tentatively from the outside.

Once the tank was in working condition, he and two comrades were deployed to Fedirivka, a village in the Zaporizhia region. They saw no action and were largely left to their own devices. But the war seemed to find them. On one occasion an uncharacteristically friendly local offered them a lift to the local market. “He kept asking questions and telling us that he wholeheartedly supported Russia,” Victor recalled.

That night, several houses on Victor’s street got hit by mortar fire. Victor and his crew hid in a shelter outside, but a salvo intended for them hit the home of a local couple instead, blowing the man’s arm off. “We put him in a tank and drove him to a hospital,” Victor said. The “helpful” local must have passed on intelligence about the group’s location to the Ukrainian army. In the morning, Victor and his crew reported the informant to Russia’s security service. He was arrested and no one saw him again. After this incident, Victor and his pals invested in a second-hand Lada.

Victor felt no hostility towards the Ukrainian prisoners-of-war he encountered and did not regard them as enemies. (Indeed, Victor’s maternal grandfather was Ukrainian; before the war he had often visited relatives nearby.) “My own country did more harm to me than these Ukrainian men. Why should I hate them?” he said.

In the winter of 2023 Victor’s tank brigade was ordered to fire upon a village controlled by Ukrainian forces. Victor drove towards the front line. But he had seen what happened when civilians were subject to imprecise bombardment. He had no intention of killing people he had no animosity towards. Instead he raised the barrel, removed the detonator and fired shells into the air. Having wasted all the ammunition, he decided to wreck the tank. “I pulled off the bolts from the oil pump, bled the oil and screwed up the transmission.” By the time the tank had crawled back to Fedirivka, it was only good for scrap metal.

Stepan was now a mobik – a derogatory word used to describe the hundreds of thousands of Russian men used as cannon fodder

He seemed to get away with his sabotage. Indeed, it made his situation cushier. Without a tank, Victor spent the rest of that year repairing vehicles. In December he went back to Magadan for two weeks leave. He considered whether he should take the opportunity to go awol – but was scared, above all, of ending up in prison. He presumed he would return to his safe job as a mechanic in the rear. Then in February 2023 he was told he was being transferred to an assault unit.

Towards the end of spring 2023, Russia finally took Bakhmut after a battle that lasted more than seven months and took the lives of 20,000 Russian soldiers. The charge was led by the Wagner Group, a mercenary outfit. After the conquest, responsibility passed to the Russian army. Stepan’s brigade was pulled out of the relative quiet of Zaporizhia to replace the mercenaries.

They were deposited in a small house on the edge of Bakhmut. That evening, an officer informed the soldiers that they would attack the Ukrainians the following morning. “They told us not to drink, but everybody was drinking, because of this enormous stress,” said Stepan. “We even found an old grill and fried up some meat.” To get the men in the right frame of mind, their sergeant showed them a film he had downloaded onto his phone – a gut-churning documentary called “Purgatory” about Russia’s war in Chechnya.

Their mission was to advance in small squads of between five and ten men across the front line and skirmish with Ukraine’s defenders. Most of the soldiers would be obliterated before they got a chance to engage the enemy. Those who did were expected to fight until they were killed. Then another wave would be sent forward. And then another, until the Ukrainian forces were driven out.

All Stepan could make out was a road sign that said Bakhmut. Beyond it lay a smouldering ruin. “The smog was so thick, you could barely see – and it never lifted.” The air tasted metallic. It was dark when they were dropped off by a treeline. The artillery fire – distant the night before – was now close and appeared to be trained on them. Drones circled overhead and cluster bombs exploded around them.

His squad took shelter in the cellar of the only building they could see that was still standing. Boxes of ammunition served as beds. On the following evening, they were ordered to dash towards the Ukrainian trenches and clear them. The commander selected the first group. “He looked at me but decided to leave me behind,” Stepan said. “He probably took pity on me. Perhaps he thought I was not ready.” As he recounted this moment, Stepan started involuntarily tapping his knee with his hand. The drags on his vape grew deeper and more frequent.

“The first fire group went ahead and by the evening radioed back that the fire was too intense, and they would carry on the next day.” The rest of the unit never saw them again. The second group sent to resupply the first one also never returned. Once, a soldier from an advance party rushed inside the cellar, “his eyeballs popping out of sockets from an excess of adrenaline”.

Three days later just five soldiers, including Stepan, remained in the cellar. The building came under artillery fire and shrapnel pierced the roof. The Ukrainian forces had evidently identified their base. An officer handed out tranquillisers to calm the troops. But the real fear set in when the artillery stopped – it meant that the cellar was about to be stormed. The officer in charge decided to pull everyone out before it happened.

One day his commander shaved his head and said, “We need to turn you into a killing machine”

They regrouped in another house, and Stepan was told it was his group’s turn to attack the Ukrainian trenches. “Our morale was at rock bottom. Everyone was in panic and refused to go.” A senior officer – accompanied by a military prosecutor – told them that they could, of course, decline to take part in another assault. But that would mean they would be sent to Storm-Z, a punishment battalion made up of convicts who were forced to clear minefields by marching through them.

When it was clear no one wanted to take this option, the commanders staged an oath-swearing ritual. “They took us to some dug-out, gave us pieces of paper, turned on a video camera and told us to read the text out loud and sign,” said Stepan. The words of the oath ran: “I, [insert name], despise weakness and fear, pledge never to retreat and fight to the last drop of blood.” Stepan felt as if he were falling into a hole. “I felt completely helpless and could not influence anything.”

Yet Stepan was not sent straight to his death. At the last minute, a senior officer decided that simply forcing the recalcitrant soldiers back to the front would be pointless. Instead Stepan was sent to a camp in the occupied Ukrainian province of Luhansk to be trained by Wagner Group mercenaries.

The conditions there were almost as bad as on the front line. The mobilised soldiers were made to run 10km a day in scorching heat while being chased by drones that dropped live cluster grenades. One of the soldiers had his legs blown off when he tripped over a mine. The men slept on the open ground, getting soaked when it rained.

After a week of training, Stepan’s company was replenished with fresh recruits  – some as young as 19 – and sent back to Bakhmut. What followed were “the longest two weeks in my life,” Stepan said. The company took shelter in the cellar of a ruined house. Some 60 metres away stood the brick carcass of a building that served as an observation post and firing position. Soldiers took turns manning it. But sometimes the fire was so precise and intense that they were not able to swap positions for days.

On one occasion Volodya, a man whom Stepan had grown attached to, ran back to the cellar to change places with him. He was opening the metal door at the top of the stairs when a mortar landed next to him. A brick flew off a wall and hit Volodya, sending him tumbling down the steps. When he landed on the floor, his guts were spilling out of his stomach. “We stood there in some stupor. I’ve never seen anything like this,” said Stepan. “We were told not to touch any organs if people get this kind of wounds, but somehow he just managed to turn and the insides fell back in. I seized the opportunity and started bandaging him.” Stepan then injected him with promedol, a powerful opioid, and called for medics to evacuate him.

Hours passed but no one came. Soon they ran out of painkillers. Volodya kept asking for a drink; all Stepan had was some stale water in his flask, which he let him sip from the lid. Every couple of minutes Stepan lit up another cigarette. After eight hours the evacuation team arrived nearby and Stepan helped carry Volodya out of the cellar on an improvised stretcher. The injured soldier was pale, cold and delirious.

The mobilised soldiers were made to run 10km a day in scorching heat while being chased by drones that dropped live cluster grenades

Stepan needed finally to take his post at the firing position. When he got to the shell-blasted building, he discovered that his commander and three others had been killed or wounded there. Soon he ran out of ammunition. Stepan and the rest of the platoon returned to the house and huddled in the basement. The radio battery was dead. “I resigned myself to the fact that it’s probably over. We lost our communications. We didn’t know who’s ahead, who’s behind.” He was strangely calm amid the chaos. He smoked and wondered whether he’d be taken prisoner or killed by a grenade thrown through the door. “I did not have any thoughts and felt ready to go to the other world, quietly.”

After a night of bracing themselves for a Ukrainian assault that never came, Stepan and the remaining soldiers decided on their own initiative to retreat. Avoiding the road, they beat a path through bushes until they came to a swamp. They waited until the rain set in and the clouds blinded the drones, then began to cross it. The bog stank. Weighed down by weapons and ammunition, Stepan was nearly submerged. Eventually Stepan made it back to a hospital behind the lines, where he learned that Volodya had died.

Stepan was examined by the doctors. On discovering that he had no injuries, they packed him off to the ranks. Once again, Stepan and the rest of his platoon found themselves in Bakhmut, in one of the few houses that still had a roof. The political commissar joked that if they wanted to avoid the battle they would need to break their arms. Stepan was wondering if that was just a joke when he noticed the grenade fuze.

Later that day, the commissar brought energy bars and fresh socks to encourage the men. As he sat under a tree and he slotted ammunition into his gun, Stepan decided he was not going to risk death this time. He smoked compulsively as he waited and fondled the fuze he had stashed in his pocket. When he was ordered to advance, Stepan pulled the fuze out and tugged the ring.

The fuze had a two-second delay programmed into it. Stepan pressed his sweaty palm to a tree in order “to direct the force of the explosion”. He felt the heat building up and smelled his own skin burn. The soldiers heard a bang, turned around and saw a bleeding stump on Stepan’s hand. Stepan did not cry out. In the shock he felt no pain. No one bothered to look for the thumb. The soldiers must have known what he had done but did not ask any questions; they just injected him with a painkiller, bandaged his hand and called for an evacuation. He was taken back to hospital in Bakhmut – this time with a palpable wound – and then transferred to Rostov, a city in Russia to the south-east of Ukraine.

His mother came to visit him. She “cried and I was just standing there with a stone face, not knowing how to respond. I just did not feel anything – I hadn’t since the time I had decided to pull the ring.” He felt raw physical pain but the emotional numbness did not lift when he flew back to Norilsk. “I thought I would be happy to go home, but it was as if everyone was a stranger there. I felt no empathy, no connection with anyone – I just tried to imitate the emotions.”

After a short period of leave, he returned to a military base in Russia’s far east, hoping he would be decommissioned. Instead he was told that his injury was not considered serious enough for him to be released. In two weeks, he would be sent back to Ukraine. That was when he decided to desert.

“I thought I would be happy to go home, but it was as if everyone was a stranger there. I felt no empathy, no connection with anyone – I just tried to imitate the emotions”

Stepan worked out a plan. He got a plane ticket to Bashkiria, his home region, and flushed his phone down the toilet. “I just wanted to get as far as possible from the military base.”

He bought a second-hand phone and a new sim card and sent a message through a fake social-media account to a friend in Norilsk, asking him to tell his parents not to look for him.
He spent the next two months in hiding in Bashkiria. He met a young woman – “I was not completely indifferent to her,” he said – and told her what had happened. She rented a room for him in her name. Mostly he stayed inside, watching anti-war videos on YouTube, which was how he learned about Idite Lesom. The same day Stepan got in touch with the organisation, more in hope than expectation of help. They responded almost immediately and, after verifying his identity, gave him instructions for what to do next.

He needed money to make his escape but the authorities identified him from his digital footprint when he used his bank card at an atm. His friend in Norilsk told him the officials were looking for him, asking relatives and acquaintances to bring him back so that he could redeem himself on the battlefield.

Stepan had to move fast. On advice from Idite Lesom, he bought a train ticket to a Russian city bordering a former Soviet republic that admits Russian citizens without passports. (The place names need to be kept secret to protect Idite Lesom’s operations.) Idite Lesom told him not to book a hotel once he was out of the country, so he slept on a bench in the rain. The next morning he went to the airport and bought a ticket to Yerevan – this time with cash.

It was not until Stepan stepped off that plane in Yerevan and passed through border control that he felt a sense of relief. He got into a taxi and asked the driver to take him to the nearest hotel. Overcome by exhaustion, he fell into a deep sleep. Twenty-four hours later, he woke up, famished, and went out to get a kebab.

Victor’s defection was much less gory. He and two of his comrades simply refused to join the assault brigade, saying they would prefer to go to jail. They were dumped in an L-shaped pit, five metres deep, to await arrest and prosecution. This was the moment when they finally decided to desert – they had no intention of braving a Russian prison. “We just said to each other, let’s get the hell out of here.”

When it got dark, Victor and his two comrades, driven by force of will, climbed out by grappling onto the roots of the trees and excavating handholds in the mud. After two hours of walking in the dark, Victor managed to find his car, which he had hidden in the woods. The men changed into civilian clothes, washed the mud off the car and ripped off its military markings.

Once in Mariupol, they crossed into Russia on foot. Victor then took a train to Magadan to see his girlfriend. She broke up with him on the spot. “It was not because she was patriotically minded, but because she did not want to have any problems,” Victor said. She did not even let him stay with her. An acquaintance helped him rent a house outside the city, but the army started looking for him. So he flew to Moscow and, with the help of Idite Lesom, left Russia. “I felt I had been chewed up and spat out,” he said.

It took a few months for Victor to make his way to Germany, where he gave himself up and sought political asylum. He ended up in Ellwangen, a refugee camp that had provided a haven to Poles and Ukrainians during the first and second world wars. Victor found himself cheek by jowl with Ukrainian draft-dodgers. “We got on well,” he said.

This was the moment when they finally decided to desert. “We just said to each other – let’s get the hell out of here”

Germany has historically been compelled to grapple with the problem of desertion more than any other European country. Around 400,000 soldiers deserted the Wehrmacht in the second world war. It was not until the turn of this century that they were cleared of treason. Since then monuments to unknown deserters have been erected across the country.

One known deserter was Alfred Andersch, a novelist who absconded in 1944, while fighting in central Italy against the Allied advance up the peninsula. In his memoir, “The Cherries of Freedom”, he writes that his determination to defect did not stem simply from his desire to avoid death: it was also a gesture of defiance against the totalitarian system that was oblivious to the value of his life and the lives of others. “At a certain moment I chose to act in a way that gave meaning to my life, and from that time on that action became the axle around which the wheel of my existence revolved.” He wandered away from the slaughter through valleys and wheatfields, plucking wild cherries that “tasted fresh and tart”.

Stepan’s escape was less bucolic. As he endured a jittery wait to leave Russia he composed in his head the speech he would make in court if he was captured. Its language was less hifalutin than Andersch’s, but its sentiment was the same. “I was very proud when I fucked up my finger. For the first time in my life I resisted the system. I decided to live my own way – without any guarantees from the state, without anything. Because it all looked so stupid. I mean, how can you die for nothing? For some abstract idea that I didn’t support in any way. It just didn’t make any sense to me. If I am to die, at least I would want to die the right way.”  ■●

Arkady Ostrovsky is The Economist’s Russia editor

The names of the deserters have been changed to protect their identities. Our podcast, The Weekend Intelligence, will have an episode on Russian deserters


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I have always questioned the combat value of press-ganged soldiers. At the same time, it's hard to ask someone else to send their child to fight and die while you/your kid sits home because they don't want to fight. Maybe some support jobs could be found for such men. It's better they fix equipment or do other labor rather than wounding themselves or deserting.
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Over 3,000 Chinese nationals go to school at the UM Minneapolis.  Local news was covering this.
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🇨🇳 national Fengyun Shi, a grad student studying agricultural engineering at the University of Minnesota, has been sentenced to 6 months in prison after pleading guilty to two misdemeanor counts of use of aircraft for the unlawful photographing of a designated installation without authorization in connection with his drone flying in January above Newport News Shipbuilding in Norfolk.

Shi has also been ordered to be on court supervision for one year after his release as part of his sentence under a World War II-era statute that is part of the Espionage Act.Former U student from China given 6-month prison term for taking drone photos over naval shipyard

Over 3,000 Chinese nationals go to school at the UM Minneapolis.  Local news was covering this.

Only 3,000? Pretty sure it's a lot more than that at UW-Madison.
Federal law enforcement arrested him on Jan. 18 before he could board a one-way flight to China.
Yeah, he knew what he was doing, and he knew he was spying. Dual-use visa holders. Studying agriculture at a midwestern university is completely innocent, but clearly he was sent on a side trip to go 'sightseeing' at one of the most sensitive locations the Navy has.
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Imagine this if you will. Tinfoil hat engaged.

Trump destroyed in an airplane by a manpad or stinger smuggled over border -  tracked back to Iran - Irael/US vs. Iran war.  Of course that would be the "narrative".

Dems get rid of Trump and get their war. Sounds like a win win for them. Plausible?
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No. This mal-administration is pro Iran and wants to maintain the status quo and help Iran towards getting a nuclear bomb for “balance”.
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In on 556. Thanks to all who keep this thread going.
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https://gcaptain.com/lpg-tankers-explode-one-linked-to-iranian-gas-smuggling/ imagine if someone wanted to do something.
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It's actually a thing in Larry Bond's book Cauldron. It goes into a pretty concise description of what would happen to a port and coastal area.
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Huh. I thought those were supposedly inaccurate in land attack mode, but they nailed the heck out of one specific block with good follow-up hits.
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Headshot videos

Asking people about the demographic problem in Russia. The consensus is that economic conditions in Russia are not conducive to families big enough to grow or even sustain the population.
Russia's Birth Rate Crisis: Public Reactions 2024


Should Russia trade land for peace?
Should We Give Kursk to Ukraine for Peace?
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17 sec video.

Sauce —
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🇨🇳 national Fengyun Shi, a grad student studying agricultural engineering at the University of Minnesota, has been sentenced to 6 months in prison after pleading guilty to two misdemeanor counts of use of aircraft for the unlawful photographing of a designated installation without authorization in connection with his drone flying in January above Newport News Shipbuilding in Norfolk.

Shi has also been ordered to be on court supervision for one year after his release as part of his sentence under a World War II-era statute that is part of the Espionage Act.Former U student from China given 6-month prison term for taking drone photos over naval shipyard
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6 months for getting caught spying? Then back the China/home forever seems like a good deal for the bad guys.
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UK Fears Chinese Hackers Compromised Critical Infrastructure
Labour ministers informed of widespread attacks, officials say
Systemic incursions go beyond previously known incidents



By Ellen Milligan, Alex Wickham, and Jamie Tarabay
October 15, 2024 at 3:25 PM UTC


Chinese state actors have made widespread — and likely successful — efforts to access British critical infrastructure networks, according to UK officials, underscoring fears of vulnerabilities to increasingly sophisticated cyberattacks by foreign powers.

Senior ministers in the Labour government have been informed since taking power in July that hackers linked to Beijing have probably compromised supply chains and computer systems key to a range of vital services, people with direct knowledge of the matter told Bloomberg. Such Chinese activity is systemic and goes beyond the alleged attacks on Parliament and the Defense Ministry made public in the past year, said the people, who requested anonymity to discuss national security matters.

The officials said successive governments had decided not to make public the full extent of these vulnerabilities, and that the matter of disclosure was under consideration by the new administration. The officials declined to specify the entities targeted.

The Chinese Embassy in London didn’t respond to a request for comment.

British security agencies have repeatedly highlighted the risk of Chinese interference domestically, with MI5 Director-General Ken McCallum warning in a speech last week that the UK and its allies “should expect further testing and in places defeating” of their cyberdefenses. Prime Minister Keir Starmer’s administration was informed of vulnerabilities to the UK’s infrastructure networks soon after the July 4 election, the people said, prompting work on new cybersecurity legislation.
Starmer’s office and several departments declined to comment on the cyber incursions. “The UK government maintains complete confidence in the robustness of our security systems and their adaptive capacity to continuously address and evolve in response to evolving threats, ensuring the safety of all citizens,” the Treasury said in a statement.
While seeking to bolster the UK’s cyberdefenses, Starmer is also attempting to rebuild relations with Beijing, which have run cold since President Xi Jinping’s crackdown on dissent in the former British colony of Hong Kong. Foreign Secretary David Lammy is expected to travel to China this week, Bloomberg reported earlier, in what would only be the second visit by the UK’s top diplomat in six years.

Timing such China exchanges has frustrated recent British governments, even as Western allies such as France, Germany and the US move to shore up ties with the world’s second-largest economy. Any goodwill built by then-Foreign Secretary James Cleverly’s Beijing trip last August was later undermined by British allegations that China was behind hacks of the Electoral Commission and Members of Parliament.

British officials also believed China was behind a recent hack into the personal data of the nation’s armed forces personnel, Bloomberg reported in May.

Chinese officials routinely denounce foreign allegations of hacking as politically motivated, arguing the country has often been a victim of cyber attacks. The Chinese Embassy in London condemned claims its agents were behind the Ministry of Defence data breaches as “nothing but a fabricated and malicious slander.”

The government is drafting a Cyber Security and Resilience Bill with plans to pass it next year. The legislation aims to ensure that the UK’s critical infrastructure is secure, and will focus on transport, energy, drinking water, health and digital infrastructure as well as online marketplaces, search engines and cloud-computing services.

The newer attacks were believed to have targeted defense and energy entities, government agencies and the National Health Service, as well as private businesses focused on cutting-edge technology, the people said. The personal communications of senior politicians are another area of concern raised by officials, with several successful attempts to access politicians’ data beyond those that have been made public.
The concerns do not relate to a specific or new threat and the activity is seen as likely to have taken place for years, they said.

While the British officials didn’t identify any particular hackers involved in the recent attacks, security officials have publicly named China-affiliated groups including so-called Volt Typhoon as concerns. The National Cyber Security Centre has warned that the group’s “living-off-the-land” techniques allow it to hide within legitimate network activity and could be used to lay the ground for destructive cyberattacks in the event of a conflict or crisis.

Chinese Hackers Embedded in US Networks for at Least Five Years

US officials earlier this year carried out an operation to disrupt Volt Typhoon by deleting malware from thousands of internet-connected devices the group had hijacked to gain access to the networks in critical parts of the economy. Among the sectors targeted were communications, energy, transportation and water systems.

In May, acting NCSC chief Felicity Oswald issued a “clear warning about China’s intent to hold essential networks at risk” in a speech.

“It is a warning that providers of essential services in the UK cannot afford to ignore,” Oswald said. “We are past the point of running unsupported systems. It is not tenable.”

— With assistance from Jordan Robertson, Katrina Manson, and Andrew Martin

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-10-15/uk-fears-chinese-hackers-compromised-critical-infrastructure

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Crazy!   That is one way to F up an MSR.   Even if it was half styrofoam, it would still cause them to slow down, then add some legit ones and chaos happens.

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that’s fucking wild. Just came here to post that.
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that’s fucking wild. Just came here to post that.
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Crazy!

that’s fucking wild. Just came here to post that.


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So NATO does?.......




CMOS
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Crazy!

that’s fucking wild. Just came here to post that.


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It was a thermal video of a “Baba Yaga” drone carrying one of the Dragon Teeth barriers .
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Can’t wait till they start reporting on the Chinese “volunteers”.
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Can’t wait till they start reporting on the Chinese “volunteers”.
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The advantage for China is Chinese volunteers can be North Koreans

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concern
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The advantage for China is Chinese volunteers can be North Koreans

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Exactly!  I posted that exact thing several times. Just like they pretend to be North Koreans 59 years ago.  

“History never repeats itself, but it does often rhyme.”   Mark Twain
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I’m waiting for more info which will likely take to the end of the month or early November but atm things are looking challenging in Kursk, Toretsk and to a lesser degree Zaporizhia. Pokrovsk is intense with ongoing gains and losses but Russia appears to have clawed its way a mile closer to the city and a couple gains south of it. Biden going to Europe so waiting to see what’s decided

I think this below is a hyperbole but Ukraine looks to be heading to a difficult winter

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1962467/ukraine-suffers-massive-defeat-kursk/amp
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Imagine this if you will. Tinfoil hat engaged.

Trump destroyed in an airplane by a manpad or stinger smuggled over border -  tracked back to Iran - Irael/US vs. Iran war.  Of course that would be the "narrative".

Dems get rid of Trump and get their war. Sounds like a win win for them. Plausible?
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The dem's bureaucracy would hide the links and evidence. They have decided to help Iran and would not derail that because Iran did some DNC dirty work for them. They could catch IRGC member in uniform with Iran made rockets, etc and the fbi would be left perplexed and confused about the possible motive or who was behind it.

What makes you think the dems want a war anywhere, especially involving their #1 pet project: Iran?
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Exactly!  I posted that exact thing several times. Just like they pretend to be North Koreans 59 years ago.  

“History never repeats itself, but it does often rhyme.”   Mark Twain
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Stick with what works, old tricks etc.
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Is this purely symbolic? I'm sure not much "goods" or workers going back and forth between them.
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Russia Forms Special Battalion of North Korean Citizens to Participate in War Against Ukraine
And now this👇
18 North Korean servicemen have already fled positions on Ukraine's border with the Bryansk and Kursk regions of Russia (Translate to English to read)https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61522/IMG_5116_jpeg-3350026.JPG
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It would be glorious if the Nork troops pulled an "Irish" like in the movie Braveheart.
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Of coarse it WAS considered. Luckily they decided against it for now. If Harris wins the election then embargo's back on the menu. Que the meme from Thunder Dome...
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Ukrainian video analysis platform Vezha in the service of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

Published: October 15, 2024





They say Discord has been blocked in Russia. This caused panic among the Russian army because it was their main tool for communicating with drones. This was reported by the Communications Group of the Ternopil OTCC and SP.

We have something to be proud of, because we have our own Vezha video analysis platform and it is integrated into the DELTA combat system! Below we will tell you what Vezha is.

Vezha

Vezha transmits broadcasts from drones in real time. This helps to strike at the enemy more effectively. This is a great addition to DELTA, as it increases the efficiency and accuracy of combat operations.

Thanks to Vezha, the military processes more than 4000 reconnaissance objects every day. In Vezha, you can communicate with your voice and transcribe video footage together. This allows our fighters to act quickly and inflict significant losses on the enemy.

Vezha — development of the 411th Battalion "Hawks"

Vezha is a development of the 411th Hawks Battalion. The Center for Innovation of the Ministry of Defense has joined forces with them, as well as with the teams of streaming services Tube and Raven to create a single video analysis platform based on DELTA.

And thanks to the Center for Scaling Technology Solutions, it was possible to adapt Vezha for field conditions and accelerate the implementation of the platform. This is an example of successful cooperation for the development of technologies of the Defense Forces of Ukraine.

The combined team continues to work on expanding streaming capabilities to support thousands of simultaneous video broadcasts from different types of drones and cameras.

https://rovesnyknews.te.ua/ukrayinska-platforma-dlya-videoanalizu-vezha-na-sluzhbi-zsu/

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Over 3,000 Chinese nationals go to school at the UM Minneapolis.  Local news was covering this.
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I was told repeatedly here that they are like Einstein fleeing nazi Germany and will be a huge net positive for the USA...
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A rare photo. Taken from a Su-35S
Comet C/2023 A3 (Tsuchinshan–ATLAS) is a short-period comet.
It received a double name because it was discovered simultaneously by two teams of observers: on February 27, 2023, on the 50-cm ATLAS survey telescope in South Africa, and on January 9, a month and a half before that moment, by employees of the Chinese Tsuchinshan Asteroid Survey.  The frequency of its appearance is about 70,000 years.


https://t.me/fighter_bomber/18435

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Only 3,000? Pretty sure it's a lot more than that at UW-Madison. Yeah, he knew what he was doing, and he knew he was spying. Dual-use visa holders. Studying agriculture at a midwestern university is completely innocent, but clearly he was sent on a side trip to go 'sightseeing' at one of the most sensitive locations the Navy has.
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Do you think the "kid" was an actual spy or just pro CCP simp that was contacted by a friend of a friend who wanted some pictures for his "school project"?

I think most actual CCP agents are working for US politicians as aids, secretaries, drivers, and girlfriends. Or employees of critical manufacturers and firms doing cutting edge research.
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No. This mal-administration is pro Iran and wants to maintain the status quo and help Iran towards getting a nuclear bomb for “balance”.
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Exactly. The last thing they want any anyone bothering the Iran nuke programs.
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France aren't the only ones. A bunch of the Europeans will reduce aid for Ukraine, especially for year 2025.

It's also likely they're not going to be able to reach the 2% GDP NATO Defense expenditure pledge either.
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I wonder what the pro-Russian clowns in GD will make of that? "Norks always were the good guys"? or "All just the same"?
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France aren't the only ones. A bunch of the Europeans will reduce aid for Ukraine, especially for year 2025.

It's also likely they're not going to be able to reach the 2% GDP NATO Defense expenditure pledge either.
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Some have met or will meet it but some have also included stuff the rest wouldn’t consider defense expenditures.

Canada is saying 2030 for their hope to meet 2%

Trump now wants 3%

The countries with their ass on the line like the Baltics and Poland met it a long time ago
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I’m waiting for more info which will likely take to the end of the month or early November but atm things are looking challenging in Kursk, Toretsk and to a lesser degree Zaporizhia. Pokrovsk is intense with ongoing gains and losses but Russia appears to have clawed its way a mile closer to the city and a couple gains south of it. Biden going to Europe so waiting to see what’s decided

I think this below is a hyperbole but Ukraine looks to be heading to a difficult winter

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1962467/ukraine-suffers-massive-defeat-kursk/amp
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I have no data to back up my feelings, but I have felt for about a month or so now that both Russia and Ukraine are on the verge of breaking.

The problem is that Russia has NK, Iran and China to help with men and material while UA has the EU and the US.

On paper this should be a no brainer, but it seems there is little to no heart left in the west for the fight.

Two years in and there are no Eagle squadrons, Flying Tigers or La Fayette Escadrille.

Two years in and the west shivers and flinches under Chinese hacking attacks and Russian sabotage instead of gearing up and butt fucking them on live TV nightly.

I try to stay positive and not clutter up the thread with doom but it truly looks like that's where we're headed.

My heart and prayers are with UA. May their will and strength never fail them as we have, and may God and Saint Michael protect them, because we sure as hell aren't.
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I was told repeatedly here that they are like Einstein fleeing nazi Germany and will be a huge net positive for the USA...
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There are legit people fleeing China ergo the “Chinese police stations” in the USA but there’s also many who aren’t. The future looks bad for those who are legit confused with those that aren’t.
The FBI told me 30 years ago “not their curvys not their monkeys” and again in 2011.

I’m still baffled by those conversations

We’ve got posts within this thread about the Director naming China threats but it’s not proactive on actionable intelligence?

I dunno, domestic was never my field, overseas was always my stuff.
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I have no data to back up my feelings, but I have felt for about a month or so now that both Russia and Ukraine are on the verge of breaking.

The problem is that Russia has NK, Iran and China to help with men and material while UA has the EU and the US.

On paper this should be a no brainer, but it seems there is little to no heart left in the west for the fight.

Two years in and there are no Eagle squadrons, Flying Tigers or La Fayette Escadrille.

Two years in and the west shivers and flinches under Chinese hacking attacks and Russian sabotage instead of gearing up and butt fucking them on live TV nightly.

I try to stay positive and not clutter up the thread with doom but it truly looks like that's where we're headed.

My heart and prayers are with UA. May their will and strength never fail them as we have, and may God and Saint Michael protect them, because we sure as hell aren't.
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Absolutely hear ya

I’m not recommending caving to doom but I would recommend adjusting expectations.

The axis bloc is 100% commuted to its goals whereas our alliance seems less so

Even Japanese intelligence has picked up on this dilemma
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