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Posted: 6/21/2021 2:20:00 PM EDT
https://world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Russia-starts-building-lead-cooled-fast-reactor
https://www.powermag.com/nuclear-first-work-starts-on-russian-fast-neutron-reactor/  This is the first of it's type fast-neutron reactor that will use lead as a coolant instead of sodium. Russia already has operational sodium cooled fast-neutron reactors and India, China, and South Korea are also developing this technology. This reactor under construction will be a smaller unit to demonstrate the technology and will have on site plants to reprocess spent fuel and to fabricate the new fuel rods. The plant will use a new type of Uranium-Plutonium fuel that will include the use of depleted Uranium. If this works out as planned it will be a game changer in nuclear power as it will greatly reduce the problem of long-term storage of spent nuclear materials. |
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Posted: 6/21/2021 2:24:04 PM EDT
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Vodkatech strikes again? Cyka Blyat!!
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Posted: 6/21/2021 2:25:10 PM EDT
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What could possibly go wrong?
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Posted: 6/21/2021 2:26:14 PM EDT
[#3]
Lead cooling...
Makes for a compact reactor. But when there's a leak... |
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Posted: 6/21/2021 2:27:03 PM EDT
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From the country that gave us Chernobyl.
ETA: Quoted: If this works out as planned It never works out as planned! |
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Posted: 6/21/2021 2:27:15 PM EDT
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This is how you get Russian Bearzilla.
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Posted: 6/21/2021 2:28:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryIt's fine, he's in uniform, they aren't shooting at him. He is just another soldier in their military. |
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Posted: 6/21/2021 2:28:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From the country that gave us Chernobyl. What country - Ukraine? 
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Posted: 6/21/2021 2:29:12 PM EDT
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Why lead instead of sodium?
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Posted: 6/21/2021 2:29:47 PM EDT
[#9]
Radio active lead... never been done befro.
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Posted: 6/21/2021 2:30:26 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What country - Ukraine? Well I didnt read the links now did I? |
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Posted: 6/21/2021 2:30:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/21/2021 2:31:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well I didnt read the links now did I? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What country - Ukraine? Well I didnt read the links now did I? "Russia" is right in the title. Can't you see it from your house anyway? |
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Posted: 6/21/2021 2:31:17 PM EDT
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Lead is certainly better than sodium.
I'm glad the Sodium LMFBR is mostly dead though... It's a stupid fucking design. I have no idea why nuclear scientists were so enamored by it for so long. |
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Posted: 6/21/2021 2:31:45 PM EDT
[#14]
So down the line there is a possibility that we can buy radioactive lead bullets, just not in Cali.
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Posted: 6/21/2021 2:38:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why lead instead of sodium? The soviets used lead coolant on one class of submarine. They occasionally would freeze but it was "fail safe". |
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Posted: 6/21/2021 2:38:18 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So down the line there is a possibility that we can buy radioactive lead bullets, just not in Cali. NEW, from Wolf and TulAmmo! |
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Posted: 6/21/2021 2:40:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/21/2021 2:42:45 PM EDT
[#18]
We are falling so far behind, and many comments in this thread reflect why.
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Posted: 6/21/2021 2:43:29 PM EDT
[#19]
Chernobyl 2.0 coming soon to a rain cloud near you.
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Posted: 6/21/2021 2:44:54 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We are falling so far behind, and many comments in this thread reflect why. "Durr, nUcleAr p0weR iS onlY g00g foR maKinG GodZillas." |
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Posted: 6/21/2021 2:48:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lead doesn't get explody when water touches it. The soviets used lead coolant on one class of submarine. They occasionally would freeze but it was "fail safe". If the lead is hot enough (molten), when it touches water, the water vaporizes and the lead can get moving pretty good (enough to stick to the ceiling anyway. So yeah, not chemically reactive like sodium. Just kinectically energetic.
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Posted: 6/21/2021 2:52:46 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why lead instead of sodium? Because it doesn't react explosively with both air and water. Sodium reactors have some of the worst safety records out there. |
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Posted: 6/21/2021 2:54:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Russia" is right in the title. Can't you see it from your house anyway? Only during the third month of winter. |
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Posted: 6/21/2021 2:55:14 PM EDT
[#24]
At least they are still trying to make nuclear power .. we could lead the world but somehow out overlords have chosen not to.
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Posted: 6/21/2021 2:56:23 PM EDT
[#25]
Not great, not terrible.
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Posted: 6/21/2021 2:57:56 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: At least they are still trying to make nuclear power .. we could lead the world but somehow out overlords have chosen not to. If we were to develop advanced nuclear reactors that processed their waste products down to things that are commercially useful and a few other things with a half life of centuries instead of millennia then that would be, in the opinion of anti-nuclear activists, playing god  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/21/2021 3:01:31 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lead doesn't get explody when water touches it. The soviets used lead coolant on one class of submarine. They occasionally would freeze but it was "fail safe". They have a long history of lead and lead-bismuth cooled reactors. None of it good. 5 years or less before they freeze it right cock stiff.
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Posted: 6/21/2021 3:08:58 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Liquid lead does. Not from the same mechanism. But hot liquid metals and water are a non-starter regardless of chemistry. Good energy density though. they made a couple submarines with them and they were the aquatic versions of the MIG-25. Fast as shit. They have a long history of lead and lead-bismuth cooled reactors. None of it good. 5 years or less before they freeze it right cock stiff. The Russians intended to have dockside steam plants to keep the lead in the Alpha Class Submarines reactor coolant liquid. The steam plants never worked right so they had to keep their reactors going while in port. I have the image in my minds eye of some guy with a hot rod with an insanely powerful engine. But he can't turn the engine off. So he has to pay local kids to sit in it and occasionally rev the engine, all hours of the day and night. That kind of nuclear program makes you very popular with your neighbors.
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Posted: 6/21/2021 3:20:21 PM EDT
[#29]
Cool! Time to cut those pesky green house gases! Way to go mother Russia!
Vodka infused concrete reinforced with scraped Ak-47’s! |
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Posted: 6/21/2021 3:23:45 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why lead instead of sodium? not a nuclear engineer here. But I would guess its because in case of a leak - lead is fairly non reactive, whereas sodium is an alkali metal, and reacts violently to water (it explodes) and can catch on fire when exposed to oxygen. Additionally lead is a damn good radiation filter. |
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Posted: 6/21/2021 3:27:13 PM EDT
[#31]
Quoted: At least they are still trying to make nuclear power .. we could lead the world but somehow out overlords have chosen not to. I think it comes down to not being enough kickbacks for people in power. Anyone can start a green energy company and use connections to get tax subsidies to make a huge profit. Nuclear requires a huge investment and miles of red tape. Two nuclear plants in IL are shutting down this year because they can't compete economically with subsidized wind and solar power. The US was the world leader in just about everything but we pissed it away for short term profits and feel good bullshit. For all the talk of Russia being a gas station that produces nothing, they are pretty much the world leader in nuclear power. Around the world there are 50 nuclear reactors under construction. Russia is building 16 of them. Only 3 are in Russia, they are building reactors in Slovakia, Turkey, Iran, India, Bangladesh, and China. China is building 16 reactors and the US is building.... 2. |
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Posted: 6/21/2021 3:28:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why lead instead of sodium? I would venture to say, lead isn't going to spontaneous explode like highly reactive sodium... A leak is a leak... a sodium leak could make chernobyl look pleasant... Kabombski! |
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Posted: 6/21/2021 3:44:14 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So down the line there is a possibility that we can buy radioactive lead bullets, just not in Cali. Sweeeeet. My bullets are gonna be super deadly.
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Posted: 6/21/2021 3:46:00 PM EDT
[#34]
3.6 Roentgen
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Posted: 6/21/2021 3:47:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If we were to develop advanced nuclear reactors that processed their waste products down to things that are commercially useful and a few other things with a half life of centuries instead of millennia then that would be, in the opinion of anti-nuclear activists, playing god https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/383325/image_png-1986355.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: At least they are still trying to make nuclear power .. we could lead the world but somehow out overlords have chosen not to. If we were to develop advanced nuclear reactors that processed their waste products down to things that are commercially useful and a few other things with a half life of centuries instead of millennia then that would be, in the opinion of anti-nuclear activists, playing god https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/383325/image_png-1986355.JPG Caldicott is a twat. |
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Posted: 6/21/2021 3:51:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Caldicott is a twat. And like AOC and Pelosi, she is a powerful twat. So anyone who wants advanced fission technologies is going to have to deal with her and her followers. A few days ago I had an acquaintance screaming at me about Fukushima. Claiming that it had discharged hundreds of millions of tons of cesium into the Pacific Ocean and it was all washing up in California. I tried to explain to him that it was physically impossible for the Fukushima-Daichi reactors to discharge that much cesium but he wouldn't listen and neither will the rest of these twats. |
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Posted: 6/21/2021 3:52:06 PM EDT
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You know what I find fascinating about nuclear energy production? It is all steam based. We have been powering stuff with steam since the late 1600s. I am not a rocket scientist and you would think by now we could have something better than using something as high tech as a nuclear plant to just boil water into steam to power a turbine.
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Posted: 6/21/2021 3:52:09 PM EDT
[#38]
Hopefully they don't let it cool into a radioactive lead brick:
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Posted: 6/21/2021 3:54:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You know what I find fascinating about nuclear energy production? It is all steam based. We have been powering stuff with steam since the late 1600s. I am not a rocket scientist and you would think by now we could have something better than using something as high tech as a nuclear plant to just boil water into steam to power a turbine. What about closed circuit hydro electric? Low power circulation motors pushing momentum and driving high speed turbines, trap and recycle condensates so the system doesn’t lose hydro to evap. |
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Posted: 6/21/2021 3:57:28 PM EDT
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Elan Musk needs to be working on this kind of stuff. It takes alot of juice to charge all those cars he will have on the road in 10 years. If the power grid gets flakey because of increasing demand on it for EV and other growth, people won't have so much confidence in EV and his sales drop
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Posted: 6/21/2021 3:57:29 PM EDT
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If I recall from some of the "Sub Brief" videos, the Russians have a lengthy, and not particularly great, track record with liquid metal cooled reactors in their subs.
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Posted: 6/21/2021 3:58:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You know what I find fascinating about nuclear energy production? It is all steam based. We have been powering stuff with steam since the late 1600s. I am not a rocket scientist and you would think by now we could have something better than using something as high tech as a nuclear plant to just boil water into steam to power a turbine. Even if we develop commercially viable fusion we will probably be using it to heat water for a good long time. Direct energy conversion is possible. But all such systems are fairly delicate and strictly experimental at the moment. Nothing that can withstand the neutron bombardment inside a reactor. At the moment I think the only thing that can even compete with water is molten salts. The heat from which is usually passed to water via a cooling loop. Personally I want to build a molten salt reactor with a synthetic diamond moderator instead of a graphite moderator. There have been experiments with converting radioactive graphite from decommissioned nuclear reactors into diamond batteries. |
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Posted: 6/21/2021 4:01:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Elon Musk needs to be working on this kind of stuff. It takes alot of juice to charge all those cars he will have on the road in 10 years. If the power grid gets flakey because of increasing demand on it for EV and other growth, people won't have so much confidence in EV and his sales drop He's busy right now. But yeah, he really should have a power plant program or two besides these dinky solar panel outfits he's fucking around with. Once offworld colonies are established he is probably going to have to get into the nuclear game. But I would be shocked if he didn't have some sketches for space based solar satellites. |
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Posted: 6/21/2021 4:01:45 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We are falling so far behind, and many comments in this thread reflect why. This. ^^^ Meanwhile in the USA we want to shut power plants down, want ever car and truck electric by 2025, and think 87,000 windmills will power the US. AMERICA |
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Posted: 6/21/2021 4:04:26 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We are falling so far behind, and many comments in this thread reflect why. |
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Posted: 6/21/2021 4:07:36 PM EDT
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Why not use gallium? Other than being corrosive to certain stuff it seem like a no brainer since it’s melting point is 30c
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Posted: 6/21/2021 4:07:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hopefully they don't let it cool into a radioactive lead brick:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z673s5w8000 |
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