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Posted: 2/15/2023 11:39:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:This could well be considered the first means of active self-defense system fitted to a warplane, something that only warships, and more recently some battle tanks and armored vehicles, had previously been able to rely on. First? No, missed it by 80-years?  Are flares and chaff launchers considered active? |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 1:06:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Civil Engineer worked on bombers? Could be a mistranslation. They probably mean a civilian engineer as opposed to a military one. |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 1:29:30 PM EDT
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Even if he did work on it he will only know .01”% about the 1 thing he worked on. Need to know is need to know even in Russia. Being a civil engineer he probably worked on the tarmac.
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Posted: 2/15/2023 1:31:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Civil Engineer worked on bombers? I thought the same thing - however in Russia, it isn't that uncommon to find an engineer who's formal education is not what they work in but as long as they are good in math, science and skillful they can rise to advanced engineer roles. |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 1:34:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Let me guess.... https://i.gyazo.com/e90423b4f4182f9d45fea046fcd683a4.png Close!  |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 1:39:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He was working on the updated Tu-160. Claims that Tu-160 production is about to commence for the new variant. Upgraded with new doo dads. Might be useful intel.  They needed Civil Engineers because the new variant will have a small parking garage with EV charging stations, a peaceful outdoor space in the cockpit with small shrubs and concrete benches, and a new type of prairie grass will be planted on the wings that recycles rainwater and reduces emissions. |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 1:42:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why did he need to spill secrets? All he had to do was get a nice tan, dress like a Mexican and ask the nearest Border Patrol officer to arrange a bus ride for him to wherever he wanted to go. We're just letting motherfuckers in for free now, there's no need to be spilling anything. My understanding from meeting some Russians who came here recently and reading an article about some is the US has at least relaxed it's policy for Russians, but in a story I read about some who came here via Mexico, they had to go before an immigration judge, state their case (religious persecution was their reason for fleeing) and the judge allowed them to stay after that. I wonder if this guys story is true, or if he's making it up because he thinks it will make it more likely he and his family will get entry. |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 1:48:26 PM EDT
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Lmaooooo....what are we going to find out? How to make shitty rivets? How to make stuff so simple a Russian can figure out how to use it? How to make jet engines burn more oil than jet fuel?
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Posted: 2/15/2023 1:50:09 PM EDT
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Why would we care as all Russian technology is 30 or more years behind.
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Posted: 2/15/2023 1:52:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lmaooooo....what are we going to find out? How to make shitty rivets? How to make stuff so simple a Russian can figure out how to use it? How to make jet engines burn more oil than jet fuel? You would be a fool to doubt the power of your second question. |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 1:59:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Similar missions Tu-160 Blackjack is a little faster, b-1 carries more kaboom by weight and types. Tu-22 backfire is smaller Just an FYI….and you may already know this…. The B-1 no longer has a nuclear (bombing) mission. |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 2:01:45 PM EDT
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I can think of 3 things that might be interesting.
1. A 2. V 3. Onics Also, what are the in-flight snacks like? |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 2:06:06 PM EDT
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I say give him asylum, find out what he knows. Tell him he has to be productive and let him live the american dream under a new name in minot ND or someplace stupid cold where he will feel at home
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Posted: 2/15/2023 2:13:34 PM EDT
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How long before his info gets posted on the war thunder forums?
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Posted: 2/15/2023 2:15:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lmaooooo....what are we going to find out? How to make shitty rivets? How to make stuff so simple a Russian can figure out how to use it? How to make jet engines burn more oil than jet fuel? Suppose we find out they use shitty rivets on certain control surfaces. This tells us speed and maneuvering limitations. Suppose we find out just how much oil they burn in operation? This gives us flight endurance information. Both of those things gives us useful intel. unless you don't think those are thing we could use to our advantage... |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 2:19:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: what we thought were obsolete controls and use of vacuum tubes, but other guys would say there was a good reason they still built them that way. Were those guys right? The Russians adopted an arguably obsolete cartridge prior to WW1 and continue to use it today in their GPMGs and DMRs despite it making both belt and magazine feeding more difficult. Do you think they have a good reason? The only reason, in both cases, is that change involves cost and risk. If you're on a budget then you have to avoid both wherever possible. That's it. |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 2:22:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Civil Engineer worked on bombers? He likely just means civilian. |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 2:23:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Could be a mistranslation. They probably mean a civilian engineer as opposed to a military one. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Civil Engineer worked on bombers? Could be a mistranslation. They probably mean a civilian engineer as opposed to a military one. Thousands of engineers with CE degrees work on the design and engineering of aircraft and weapons in the US. Especially structures sciences. |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 2:26:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In Iraq, if we came across MIGs, we’d shoot them up, or toss a grenade in the cockpit, we’d get calls about those and buried French Mirages, from the local,citizenry, but never a Topolev…but here’s my question: we’d laugh at what we thought were obsolete controls and use of vacuum tubes, but other guys would say there was a good reason they still built them that way. Were those guys right? Vacuum tubes are EMP hardened and not affected by neutron activation as much - So if your plane is close to a nuke, but not destroyed, it can still fly. specialized cameras for radiation hot cells still use tubes if I recall correctly. |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 2:26:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How long before his info gets posted on the war thunder forums? |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 2:27:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thousands of engineers with CE degrees work on the design and engineering of aircraft and weapons in the US. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Civil Engineer worked on bombers? Could be a mistranslation. They probably mean a civilian engineer as opposed to a military one. Thousands of engineers with CE degrees work on the design and engineering of aircraft and weapons in the US. It is fairly common even in the US for someone to get an engineering degree and end up working in a different engineering field. After a few years experience matters more than what your degree says as long as it is some flavor of engineering. |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 2:34:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is fairly common even in the US for someone to get an engineering degree and end up working in a different engineering field. After a few years experience matters more than what your degree says as long as it is some flavor of engineering. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Civil Engineer worked on bombers? Could be a mistranslation. They probably mean a civilian engineer as opposed to a military one. Thousands of engineers with CE degrees work on the design and engineering of aircraft and weapons in the US. It is fairly common even in the US for someone to get an engineering degree and end up working in a different engineering field. After a few years experience matters more than what your degree says as long as it is some flavor of engineering. The numbers of CE's or ME's easily outnumber the number of AE's in the industry. My sister is a Chem E. Her last job was program manager over USAF avionics programs. Now she has been moved up. Like my buddy says, her IQ has four digits. (She has patents on a couple of electronic based medical products.) |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 2:47:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn’t they rip off the B-1 for that? BONE-Ski! |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 2:47:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thousands of engineers with CE degrees work on the design and engineering of aircraft and weapons in the US. Especially structures sciences. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Civil Engineer worked on bombers? Could be a mistranslation. They probably mean a civilian engineer as opposed to a military one. Thousands of engineers with CE degrees work on the design and engineering of aircraft and weapons in the US. Especially structures sciences. It's certainly possible that he's a civil engineer, but it's also possible he's just a regular engineer. In Swedish the term for engineer is civilingenjör, which would literally be translated to civil engineer. I don't know which word is which in Russian, but many languages use similar terms for engineers. |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 2:49:07 PM EDT
[#25]
What secrets?
 Hell that bomber was their best attempt to COPY our Bone.
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Posted: 2/15/2023 2:49:26 PM EDT
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with how russian tech is doing in ukraine....
they full of shit. their bomber doesnt work, its lucky to fly. this engineer is gonna "tell all" about how it will bomb us without us even knowing, and we should fear russia again sorry bub, your less than a paper tiger |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 3:10:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't be surprise We had civil engineers working on AC structures, major load bearing structural components, and ground support equipment large tooling, and other support structure in the hanger. In the SSTO program, both MDD and LM have civil engineers working on the launch and landing pad, due to rocket thrust erosion. Takes all kind of different engineers to get an A/C from paper concept to operational. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Civil Engineer worked on bombers? Well that explains a lot about Russian aircraft. Don't be surprise We had civil engineers working on AC structures, major load bearing structural components, and ground support equipment large tooling, and other support structure in the hanger. In the SSTO program, both MDD and LM have civil engineers working on the launch and landing pad, due to rocket thrust erosion. Takes all kind of different engineers to get an A/C from paper concept to operational. Or tooling. Tool design and analysis is going to see the entire structure, how it's actually built, and would have a lot of discussion with design about how the designers think things should do together and function (and then correcting them into how it actually can be put together). Might even get a bigger system view of the aircraft than someone who only focuses on a single aspect of design. |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 4:58:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In Iraq, if we came across MIGs, we’d shoot them up, or toss a grenade in the cockpit, we’d get calls about those and buried French Mirages, from the local,citizenry, but never a Topolev…but here’s my question: we’d laugh at what we thought were obsolete controls and use of vacuum tubes, but other guys would say there was a good reason they still built them that way. Were those guys right? They fly when microchips fry. |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 5:01:11 PM EDT
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Based on what we now know for sure about Russia and how they are doing in Ukraine, I don’t really think how they fold paper to make paper planes in Russia matters one fucking bit to the USA.
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Posted: 2/15/2023 5:19:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/15/2023 5:22:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Civil Engineer worked on bombers? So it was made of concrete. |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 5:22:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He's gonna spill secrets about the cutting edge design of a now 50 year old plane ? 
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Posted: 2/15/2023 5:26:12 PM EDT
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If they learn things they'll keep it to themselves and not share it with the industry who builds our airplanes. Cause we can't be giving any company a competitive advantage
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Posted: 2/15/2023 7:17:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or tooling. Tool design and analysis is going to see the entire structure, how it's actually built, and would have a lot of discussion with design about how the designers think things should do together and function (and then correcting them into how it actually can be put together). Might even get a bigger system view of the aircraft than someone who only focuses on a single aspect of design. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Civil Engineer worked on bombers? Well that explains a lot about Russian aircraft. Don't be surprise We had civil engineers working on AC structures, major load bearing structural components, and ground support equipment large tooling, and other support structure in the hanger. In the SSTO program, both MDD and LM have civil engineers working on the launch and landing pad, due to rocket thrust erosion. Takes all kind of different engineers to get an A/C from paper concept to operational. Or tooling. Tool design and analysis is going to see the entire structure, how it's actually built, and would have a lot of discussion with design about how the designers think things should do together and function (and then correcting them into how it actually can be put together). Might even get a bigger system view of the aircraft than someone who only focuses on a single aspect of design. The airplane will be flown to characterize its performance, unless we already have one or two. No magic technology to be discovered. |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 8:09:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Vacuum tubes are EMP hardened and not affected by neutron activation as much - So if your plane is close to a nuke, but not destroyed, it can still fly. specialized cameras for radiation hot cells still use tubes if I recall correctly. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In Iraq, if we came across MIGs, we'd shoot them up, or toss a grenade in the cockpit, we'd get calls about those and buried French Mirages, from the local,citizenry, but never a Topolev but here's my question: we'd laugh at what we thought were obsolete controls and use of vacuum tubes, but other guys would say there was a good reason they still built them that way. Were those guys right? Vacuum tubes are EMP hardened and not affected by neutron activation as much - So if your plane is close to a nuke, but not destroyed, it can still fly. specialized cameras for radiation hot cells still use tubes if I recall correctly. |
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Posted: 2/15/2023 8:14:32 PM EDT
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lol
B-1 First Flight:1974. Tu-160 First Flight: 1981   |
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