Saul Alinsky (Rules for Radicals) died in 1972. (Page 1 of 2)
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https://x.com/kristof_poland/status/2101452083639579037?s=61&t=kxZ0lCHT5PtfVXRtpASqnQ He is not the villain of this story. He built a toolkit for the powerless and then the powerful picked it up. The weapon changed hands. Which is what makes the story worth telling. 1. Start with what he actually built. A toolkit for the powerless against the powerful. Not a philosophy a set of practical instructions for people with no money, no lawyers, and no access, facing a landlord who wouldn't repair anything or a company that wouldn't hire them. In that context the rules are not sinister. They are what you use when you have nothing else. And they are good rules. Power is not what you have but what the enemy thinks you have. Make the enemy live up to his own rulebook nobody can, because no institution can meet its own stated standards. Ridicule is man's most potent weapon; there is no defense against it. Read those as a tenant in 1960s Chicago and they are simply true. |
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Originally Posted By scopedope: A radical communist Jew of Eastern European linage. What’s not like about him? His entire life was subversive and his views are antithetical to America and it’s political tenets. Agreed, with one caveat. The AK was/is the weapon of our enemy. Picking them up, learning them, and using them against our enemy is no crime. Same goes for us adopting and using the techniques described in Rules for Radicals against our enemies. |
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Alinsky was also a satanist, but he wasn’t serious about it. More in the edge lord sense than the ritual sense. He said to his friends that he wanted to go to hell when he died because, “that’s where the interesting people are.” |
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Originally Posted By TitanXD: Saul Alinsky died from being bludgeoned to death, and then hanged in public in NYC? "On June 12, 1972, three months after the publication of the Playboy interview, Alinsky died, aged 63, from a heart attack while walking near his home in Carmel, California." -Wikipedia. |
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Alinsky's rules are toxic as fuck if you're trying to have a functioning organization or society. His intent was literally to create artificial conflict so a situation would come into existence that could be taken advantage of. However this rarely if ever solves the actual problem and instead just increases the amount of conflict. Buried in the rules in an unstated goal of attrition and capitulation, that if they keep creating conflict long enough it wears down the opposition, but when your goals are insane to the majority this never happens, so you end up with endless made-up conflict (sound familiar?) The example of picking up an AK isn't the right parallel. It's more like picking up some random chemical or biological weapon that poisons you when you use it against an enemy. That's viable if you're a member of an insane death cult, or leadership trying to force an unpopular change while keeping distance from the people doing the dirty work (e.g. the DSA), but completely useless to everyone else. |
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Originally Posted By Predicament: "On June 12, 1972, three months after the publication of the Playboy interview, Alinsky died, aged 63, from a heart attack while walking near his home in Carmel, California." -Wikipedia. Originally Posted By Predicament: Originally Posted By TitanXD: Saul Alinsky died from being bludgeoned to death, and then hanged in public in NYC? "On June 12, 1972, three months after the publication of the Playboy interview, Alinsky died, aged 63, from a heart attack while walking near his home in Carmel, California." -Wikipedia. I know his history. I was just wishing Alinsky had died a violent death. Just talking out loud while posting. 
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Originally Posted By scopedope: A radical communist Jew of Eastern European linage. What's not like about him? His entire life was subversive and his views are antithetical to America and it's political tenets. |
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I read years ago how he began his career of building a following by scamming soup kitchens with coupons for the homeless to get free meals. Hilary Clinton was his understudy. She worked for him. Hanging from a lamp post in NY would have been appropriate. |
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I think more people should read his book. If you can find a copy that is. Not to use any of the techniques he describes but to recognize when they are being used against you. If you want to get inside someone's decision cycle you have to know what that cycle is first. Recognize the play before the ball is snapped. I dislike the idea of giving that man and his heirs any money but a digital copy was the only way I could find and read it. It was always checked out or misshelved at the library for some reason. I can't imagine why. |
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Originally Posted By Predicament: I can get behind that. I'll delete my post if you delete the quote.... Originally Posted By Predicament: Originally Posted By TitanXD: I know his history. I was just wishing Alinsky had died a violent death. Just talking out loud while posting. I can get behind that. I'll delete my post if you delete the quote.... We should keep it. 
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And yet the harm he did lives on and on. FSA and I'm not talking about the Free S**t Army (although they enjoy fruits of his "work.") 
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Originally Posted By Predicament: OP, if you are going to post up a X post without stating your position, then we have no recourse to accept that is your position. Alinsky was a full blown commie asshole, and I hope he's burning and screaming in Hell. One of my articles of faith is what Justice Learned Hand called "that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you are right." I've never been sure I'm right but also I'm also sure nobody else has this thing called truth. I hate dogma. People who believed they owned the truth have been responsible for the most terrible things that have happened in our world, whether they were Communist purges or the Spanish Inquisition or the Salem witch hunts.[14] |
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Originally Posted By Paul_Sothern: Saul Alinsky getting a makeover. He wasn't so bad... Yeah, no hidden Leftists on this Conservative gun owning forum...  |
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Originally Posted By Blundersteer: I think more people should read his book. If you can find a copy that is. Not to use any of the techniques he describes but to recognize when they are being used against you. If you want to get inside someone's decision cycle you have to know what that cycle is first. Recognize the play before the ball is snapped. I dislike the idea of giving that man and his heirs any money but a digital copy was the only way I could find and read it. It was always checked out or misshelved at the library for some reason. I can't imagine why. |
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Originally Posted By SAARINEN: That's like saying Karl Marx wasn't the villain for writing the communist manifesto because 'radicals' abused it. |
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Originally Posted By Blundersteer: I think more people should read his book. If you can find a copy that is. Not to use any of the techniques he describes but to recognize when they are being used against you. If you want to get inside someone's decision cycle you have to know what that cycle is first. Recognize the play before the ball is snapped. I dislike the idea of giving that man and his heirs any money but a digital copy was the only way I could find and read it. It was always checked out or misshelved at the library for some reason. I can't imagine why. It has been available on Amazon. I bought a few copies for friends. |
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Originally Posted By Blundersteer: I think more people should read his book. If you can find a copy that is. Not to use any of the techniques he describes but to recognize when they are being used against you. If you want to get inside someone's decision cycle you have to know what that cycle is first. Recognize the play before the ball is snapped. Exactly right. Read "Rules for Radicals" and "Mein Kampf" and you will never be surprised at what the Left does. You've seen it all before. You've got their playbook. |
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Originally Posted By nightstalker: He speaks for himself. One of my articles of faith is what Justice Learned Hand called "that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you are right." I've never been sure I'm right but also I'm also sure nobody else has this thing called truth. I hate dogma. People who believed they owned the truth have been responsible for the most terrible things that have happened in our world, whether they were Communist purges or the Spanish Inquisition or the Salem witch hunts.[14] Originally Posted By nightstalker: He speaks for himself. One of my articles of faith is what Justice Learned Hand called "that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you are right." I've never been sure I'm right but also I'm also sure nobody else has this thing called truth. I hate dogma. People who believed they owned the truth have been responsible for the most terrible things that have happened in our world, whether they were Communist purges or the Spanish Inquisition or the Salem witch hunts.[14] Anyway, many here might be surprised how the RKBA movement successfully adopted Alinsky tactics to prevail in court, namely through the efforts of Jewish fellows like Alan Gura and Robert Levy and Alan Gottlieb and Aaron Zelman whose activism forced US Supreme Court cases against big urban metropolises like DC vs Heller, McDonald vs Chicago, Bruen, etc. on behalf of ethnic minorities. Such as the forthcoming USSC cert case of Viramontes. "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules." - Saul Alinsky |
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Originally Posted By Squeefoo: It was a great idea dedicating it to Satan. Originally Posted By fadedsun: |
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Cloward Piven Gramsci Alinsky Written into the congressional record back in the 1960's 45 Goals of the communist party for the USA All this time they did nothing to stop them...when they could have made them illegal...of one of their goals was to make sure that never happened. |
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Originally Posted By SAARINEN: That's like saying Karl Marx wasn't the villain for writing the communist manifesto because 'radicals' abused it. |
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Originally Posted By Paul_Sothern: Saul Alinsky getting a makeover. He wasn't so bad... Yeah, no hidden Leftists on this Conservative gun owning forum... No shit. There are less and less reasons to bother with ARF all the time. Might as well find a Reddit subforum. |
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Originally Posted By scopedope: Stalin was a pretty cool dude if you look past his starving 30M people. Look at all of the good he did for the Soviet Union. 
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Originally Posted By PoiDog: Here is what Alinsky thought about taking power. This is the guy that some are trying to make people believe wasn't so bad. And Hillary was his understudy. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/735/Alinsky_quote_about_guns-3830400.jpg "The essence of Lenin's speeches during this period was "They have the guns and therefore we are for peace and for reformation through the ballot. When we have the guns then it will be through the bullet." And it was." Saul D. Alinsky, Rules for Radicals |
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Originally Posted By 9divdoc: Cloward Piven Gramsci Alinsky Written into the congressional record back in the 1960's 45 Goals of the communist party for the USA All this time they did nothing to stop them...when they could have made them illegal...of one of their goals was to make sure that never happened. I've read some of that before but its very eye opening to read the whole thing and very relevant to whats happening today. I mean it fuckin nails it when compared to what the various organizations/groups are doing today to destroy the Country and Western civilization. |
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power petitioning power I don't think you can outlib the libs, despite the half century plus tantalization of "conservatives" with the idea HEY GUYS, what if the libs were the real racists What if the libs were the real nazis ad nauseum nothing wrong with using your enemies weapons against them, but you should a) always remember their your enemies' weapons b) abandon them if they're not working c) figure out what happens after you go back to the well a dozen times, because people adapt |
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Originally Posted By Hesperus: Alinsky was also a satanist, but he wasn’t serious about it. More in the edge lord sense than the ritual sense. He said to his friends that he wanted to go to hell when he died because, “that’s where the interesting people are.” To his chagrin, he got his wish. Imagine thinking you've got it all figured out, only to come face to face with the One who knows you & everything beyond comprehension, & in that moment, you realize you were objectively & utterly wrong & stupid, & realize you have to account for yourself because you publicly rejected the only One who could save you from judgment. Hope the "edge" was worth it. |