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Posted: 1/14/2019 9:42:15 AM EDT
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One thing I should add. In my post above with the picture of my G17, I'm usually asked, "...why no BUIS?" My pistol has the simplest solution. A Trijicon front sight post with a line scribed on the center of the RMR. It's an effective BUIS, it makes for a very clean install and it moves the RMR back from the ejection port about as far as you can get it. All you have to do is put the dot on the post and pull the trigger!
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Posted: 1/14/2019 9:45:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s a constant in these threads Disagreement is frowned upon And yep safe bet OP already had his mind made up Verification is all he wanted... Buy a dot You don’t need ARFcom’s approval.. If it makes you faster better and capable of 100 yard shots Keep it If not Put it on the EE Start one of theses threads And someone will buy it... |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 9:47:30 AM EDT
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As I age and my eyes are getting weaker, it is something I'm looking at pretty hard. I can see the target fine with no glasses, but I can't see my sights. With readers, I can see my sights but the target isn't clear. It sucks. |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 9:48:58 AM EDT
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is a G43 too small to RMR?
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Posted: 1/14/2019 9:50:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wouldn't even hesitate on a duty gun. It's a totally different carry set up. AIWB is a whole 'nother story. FO ETA .......AIWB all the time in a N82 holster |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 9:51:23 AM EDT
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is a G43 too small to RMR? |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 9:53:08 AM EDT
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goddamn I cant believe Im the fucking old guy now saying that irons are all you need
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Posted: 1/14/2019 9:54:09 AM EDT
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I found that there is a cult like following for RDS on pistols on this page.. And threads about them are more like Facebook than good ole ARFcom.. I have gone from Colt SP1 to a LPVO on rifles in my “Boomer” life.. Handguns with a dot are that trend in a smaller package.. If they work well for those that use them great... I may get one for one of my pistols.. Just when you start the bullshit about 100 yard take out the bad guys with a pistol Ya I’m gonna call it.. I don’t care what you put on top of your pistol It’s still a pistol You still have legalities concerning self defense and deadly force.. You still have pistol ballistics You still have pistol energy You have simply put a sight on top.. Stop acting like a red dot makes you anything more than a person with a pistol Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Watching Den of Theives Russel Crow is running an RDS on his duty pistol That’s it I’m sold What’s the best deal on an RDS for my Glock??? 
Seems that you just like to shit in any thread regarding RMR’s on handguns. I hope you choose the stubborn boomer option in the poll.  And threads about them are more like Facebook than good ole ARFcom.. I have gone from Colt SP1 to a LPVO on rifles in my “Boomer” life.. Handguns with a dot are that trend in a smaller package.. If they work well for those that use them great... I may get one for one of my pistols.. Just when you start the bullshit about 100 yard take out the bad guys with a pistol Ya I’m gonna call it.. I don’t care what you put on top of your pistol It’s still a pistol You still have legalities concerning self defense and deadly force.. You still have pistol ballistics You still have pistol energy You have simply put a sight on top.. Stop acting like a red dot makes you anything more than a person with a pistol You haven’t contributed anything of substance to this thread. Hell, you even admit to have nearly zero experience with RDS mounted handguns. Why don’t you make like a tree, and GTFO? |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 9:58:04 AM EDT
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This is easily some of the worst slam poetry I’ve ever read. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I found that there is a cult like following for RDS on pistols on this page.. And threads about them are more like Facebook than good ole ARFcom.. I have gone from Colt SP1 to a LPVO on rifles in my “Boomer” life.. Handguns with a dot are that trend in a smaller package.. If they work well for those that use them great... I may get one for one of my pistols.. Just when you start the bullshit about 100 yard take out the bad guys with a pistol Ya I’m gonna call it.. I don’t care what you put on top of your pistol It’s still a pistol You still have legalities concerning self defense and deadly force.. You still have pistol ballistics You still have pistol energy You have simply put a sight on top.. Stop acting like a red dot makes you anything more than a person with a pistol Maybe he can shit on those. There’s a “cult like following” for the Constitution as well. Perhaps he can find a way to fling his poop at that also. |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 9:59:00 AM EDT
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OP should change the title of this thread. Clearly, any opinion that is not 100% pro RMR is being shit upon and he has already made up his mind. Title should read. "I am getting an RMR and if you don't, you're stupid." I call it “Shadowboxing with bullshit”. |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 10:00:37 AM EDT
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goddamn I cant believe Im the fucking old guy now saying that irons are all you need 
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Posted: 1/14/2019 10:01:17 AM EDT
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goddamn I cant believe Im the fucking old guy now saying that irons are all you need Sure... Do you even “need” a firearm at all? Probably not. Do you “need” a personally owned vehicle? In the days of Über, probably not. See how “need” works? |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 10:03:37 AM EDT
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Because most of the arguments against MRDS are largely based upon myth, misconception and are really more perceived issues than anything which occurs in the real world. I call it “Shadowboxing with bullshit”. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OP should change the title of this thread. Clearly, any opinion that is not 100% pro RMR is being shit upon and he has already made up his mind. Title should read. "I am getting an RMR and if you don't, you're stupid." I call it “Shadowboxing with bullshit”. I’ve got no doubt in my mind about that. What the posters here with the room temperature IQ’s have failed to grasp is that’s not what this thread is about. This thread is very specific to a carry gun. Even more specific is the AIWB position. |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 10:04:11 AM EDT
[#14]
wrote an article on this topic a while ago
http://www.vdmsr.com/2017/06/optic-mounted-pistols-and-concepts-in.html |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 10:09:23 AM EDT
[#15]
I made the plunge into an RM07 on my G19 about two years ago now and absolutely love it.
I think most of the arguments against an RMR, with the exception of cost, are way overblown. I will still say that if you have only $1000 to spend, you're better off getting a gun and training than a gun and an RMR, but if you can make the financial swing, it's well worth it. |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 10:25:41 AM EDT
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You sure like to project your bullshit a lot. You haven’t contributed anything of substance to this thread. Hell, you even admit to have nearly zero experience with RDS mounted handguns. Why don’t you make like a tree, and GTFO? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Watching Den of Theives Russel Crow is running an RDS on his duty pistol That’s it I’m sold What’s the best deal on an RDS for my Glock???
Seems that you just like to shit in any thread regarding RMR’s on handguns. I hope you choose the stubborn boomer option in the poll. And threads about them are more like Facebook than good ole ARFcom.. I have gone from Colt SP1 to a LPVO on rifles in my “Boomer” life.. Handguns with a dot are that trend in a smaller package.. If they work well for those that use them great... I may get one for one of my pistols.. Just when you start the bullshit about 100 yard take out the bad guys with a pistol Ya I’m gonna call it.. I don’t care what you put on top of your pistol It’s still a pistol You still have legalities concerning self defense and deadly force.. You still have pistol ballistics You still have pistol energy You have simply put a sight on top.. Stop acting like a red dot makes you anything more than a person with a pistol You haven’t contributed anything of substance to this thread. Hell, you even admit to have nearly zero experience with RDS mounted handguns. Why don’t you make like a tree, and GTFO? It’s make like a tree and leave... The reason I read these threads is I may actually buy one.... I sure as hell ain’t going to know if all that is said here from the fans is true until I do.. It would be nice if some of the experts would post up a readers digest version that just gave the technical info What sights are the most durable Known common problems and the fixes Best mounts Does the dot bloom for people with astigmatism Best holster for CCW And cut out all the back patting and wild ass self defense scnario’s Will you ever really engage a threat at 100 yards.. Maybe... Will the threat you are most likely to engage be well within that? Probably Distance shots on threats is actually a whole nother topic.. So don’t be mad at me brah.... But seriously consider that most people see these threads for what they are.. You are joining the Arfcom pistol RDS fraternity and they are giving you their approval.. And along with that the threads do have some useful information Now how about that readers digest technical post ? |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 10:32:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Distance shots on threats is actually a whole nother topic.. So don’t be mad at me brah.... Quote HistoryQuoted: Distance shots on threats is actually a whole nother topic.. So don’t be mad at me brah.... Quoted:
So legitimate self defense distance would have to place the person you just killed at a distance where they posed an imminent threat to you. I suppose you could conceivably find yourself in a situation where someone was shooting at you from a distance far away.. Last time, you started by saying red dots weren't needed because you point shoot at self defense distances. This time, you spout some crap about "legal self defense range", despite having brought that "issue"up in the last RMR thread and had it addressed repeatedly. You don't give a shit about technical RDS issues, you're just here to excuse away why you don't have one with made up factors well outside any technical discussion of the merits/issues with RDS guns. Readers digest version: Stop trolling RDS threads with things like point shooting and "legal self defense distances". |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 10:38:27 AM EDT
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I haven’t decided to join any “fraternity”.
That’s more of your bullshit projection. This thread is specific to carry guns. Did you happen to notice my carry set up in the OP? Yeah, it’s about as minimal as it gets. I like minimal. So far, in this thread I’ve learned that the RMR doesn’t change the way the gun carries. This is good. I’ve also learned that it is slower out of the holster. This is not good. I’m on fire when I get a 1.5 on my 1st shot on my 8” steel. I usually get a 1.8 I don’t want to be slower. However follow up shots are faster with the RMR. Shots are more precise with the RMR. You can make hits more consistently at distance with an RMR. There seems to be both pros and cons to an RMR on a carry pistol. I’m looking for input from people with actual experience with them on carry guns. |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 10:38:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because most of the arguments against MRDS are largely based upon myth, misconception and are really more perceived issues than anything which occurs in the real world. I call it “Shadowboxing with bullshit”. Speaking of experience versus derp, since OP asked about AIWB with a red dot: I don't notice any difference carrying with a RDS than without, with the right kind of AIWB holster. Some are much, much better than others. Personally, I'd avoid trexarms and go with something like the bawidamann gotham. A good quality AIWB and a RDS on the slide is pretty much a non issue. |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 10:41:34 AM EDT
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Truth. Speaking of experience versus derp, since OP asked about AIWB with a red dot: I don't notice any difference carrying with a RDS than without, with the right kind of AIWB holster. Some are much, much better than others. Personally, I'd avoid trexarms and go with something like the bawidamann gotham. A good quality AIWB and a RDS on the slide is pretty much a non issue. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Because most of the arguments against MRDS are largely based upon myth, misconception and are really more perceived issues than anything which occurs in the real world. I call it “Shadowboxing with bullshit”. Speaking of experience versus derp, since OP asked about AIWB with a red dot: I don't notice any difference carrying with a RDS than without, with the right kind of AIWB holster. Some are much, much better than others. Personally, I'd avoid trexarms and go with something like the bawidamann gotham. A good quality AIWB and a RDS on the slide is pretty much a non issue. It won’t interfere with a mounted RDS. I’m not sure how it would change how the holster carries though. |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 10:43:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Leave It’s make like a tree and leave... The reason I read these threads is I may actually buy one.... I sure as hell ain’t going to know if all that is said here from the fans is true until I do.. It would be nice if some of the experts would post up a readers digest version that just gave the technical info SNIP Now how about that readers digest technical post ? |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 10:46:09 AM EDT
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Your very first post in this thread: Just like last time, you don't come into these threads asking for information. Last time, you started by saying red dots weren't needed because you point shoot at self defense distances. This time, you spout some crap about "legal self defense range", despite having brought that "issue"up in the last RMR thread and had it addressed repeatedly. You don't give a shit about technical RDS issues, you're just here to excuse away why you don't have one with made up factors well outside any technical discussion of the merits/issues with RDS guns. Readers digest version: Stop trolling RDS threads with things like point shooting and "legal self defense distances". Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Distance shots on threats is actually a whole nother topic.. So don’t be mad at me brah.... Quoted:
So legitimate self defense distance would have to place the person you just killed at a distance where they posed an imminent threat to you. I suppose you could conceivably find yourself in a situation where someone was shooting at you from a distance far away.. Last time, you started by saying red dots weren't needed because you point shoot at self defense distances. This time, you spout some crap about "legal self defense range", despite having brought that "issue"up in the last RMR thread and had it addressed repeatedly. You don't give a shit about technical RDS issues, you're just here to excuse away why you don't have one with made up factors well outside any technical discussion of the merits/issues with RDS guns. Readers digest version: Stop trolling RDS threads with things like point shooting and "legal self defense distances". My first post in this thread was a response to the op asking a question about legitimate self defense distances You must have missed that part. First thread I participated in Did I not come back and admit my errors Yes why yes I did.... So really these threads are helpful but what would be more helpful is the readers digest version... |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 10:46:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I really like Raven’s Vanguard. It won’t interfere with a mounted RDS. I’m not sure how it would change how the holster carries though. If it wasn't buried somewhere unknown in a box of gun stuff I'd bust it out and try it with my 19/RMR. One thing I like about bigger AIWB holsters over the vanguard in general is the belt doesn't have to be as tight, since it's not helping retain the gun like it does when carrying with the vanguard. That makes for a smoother draw and a little more comfortable carry all day, IMO. |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 10:47:01 AM EDT
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You know you are in GD not a tech section, correct? The best tech info you will find is in the white paper that has been linked to these threads. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Leave It’s make like a tree and leave... The reason I read these threads is I may actually buy one.... I sure as hell ain’t going to know if all that is said here from the fans is true until I do.. It would be nice if some of the experts would post up a readers digest version that just gave the technical info SNIP Now how about that readers digest technical post ? Thanks |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 10:47:53 AM EDT
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That’s funny.. My first post in this thread was a response to the op asking a question about legitimate self defense distances You must have missed that part. First thread I participated in Did I not come back and admit my errors Yes why yes I did.... So really these threads are helpful but what would be more helpful is the readers digest version... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So legitimate self defense distance would have to place the person you just killed at a distance where they posed an imminent threat to you. I suppose you could conceivably find yourself in a situation where someone was shooting at you from a distance far away.. Last time, you started by saying red dots weren't needed because you point shoot at self defense distances. This time, you spout some crap about "legal self defense range", despite having brought that "issue"up in the last RMR thread and had it addressed repeatedly. You don't give a shit about technical RDS issues, you're just here to excuse away why you don't have one with made up factors well outside any technical discussion of the merits/issues with RDS guns. Readers digest version: Stop trolling RDS threads with things like point shooting and "legal self defense distances". My first post in this thread was a response to the op asking a question about legitimate self defense distances You must have missed that part. First thread I participated in Did I not come back and admit my errors Yes why yes I did.... So really these threads are helpful but what would be more helpful is the readers digest version... You must have missed that part. |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 10:48:23 AM EDT
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My response to bigtard was snarky. You must have missed that part. |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 10:51:47 AM EDT
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wrote an article on this topic a while ago http://www.vdmsr.com/2017/06/optic-mounted-pistols-and-concepts-in.html Most of us adults have been training with and practicing with iron sighted handguns for decades. I believe that is what I will rely upon should I ever find myself in a deadly force on force confrontation. That, and the fact that at 100 yards, 99.9 out of 100 bad guys won't be able to hit me as I am hauling ass away from the scene. |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 10:58:28 AM EDT
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My response to bigtard was snarky. You must have missed that part. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So legitimate self defense distance would have to place the person you just killed at a distance where they posed an imminent threat to you. I suppose you could conceivably find yourself in a situation where someone was shooting at you from a distance far away.. Last time, you started by saying red dots weren't needed because you point shoot at self defense distances. This time, you spout some crap about "legal self defense range", despite having brought that "issue"up in the last RMR thread and had it addressed repeatedly. You don't give a shit about technical RDS issues, you're just here to excuse away why you don't have one with made up factors well outside any technical discussion of the merits/issues with RDS guns. Readers digest version: Stop trolling RDS threads with things like point shooting and "legal self defense distances". My first post in this thread was a response to the op asking a question about legitimate self defense distances You must have missed that part. First thread I participated in Did I not come back and admit my errors Yes why yes I did.... So really these threads are helpful but what would be more helpful is the readers digest version... You must have missed that part. Imagine that Guy makes a comment going against the herd and you respond with snark That’s what makes these threads so interesting All the snark I’ll scroll through and get the link for the white paper as it’s called And read it And play with a pistol or two with an RDS and see... You guys have fun now!!! |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 11:03:40 AM EDT
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I’ll scroll through and get the link for the white paper as it’s called And read it FYI. |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 11:04:03 AM EDT
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goddamn I cant believe Im the fucking old guy now saying that irons are all you need |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 11:07:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve already seen that a RDS is worth it on a handgun. I’ve got no doubt in my mind about that. What the posters here with the room temperature IQ’s have failed to grasp is that’s not what this thread is about. This thread is very specific to a carry gun. Even more specific is the AIWB position. A MRDS allows for a tanglible and significant performance increase with a carry gun. It adds no significant bulk in carrying a firearm, regardless of position. |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 11:11:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It was posted in the last RDS thread you shit in too. FYI. |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 11:15:01 AM EDT
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It's posted in every MRDS thread and hardly anyone reads the damn thing. It should really be a sticky. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: It was posted in the last RDS thread you shit in too. FYI. You know for us old guys with dial up and revolvers It would be sooo much easier.... |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 11:17:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some of my senior guys were saying that about optics when we first got acogs. 
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Posted: 1/14/2019 11:19:40 AM EDT
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That's an excellent idea You know for us old guys with dial up and revolvers It would be sooo much easier.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: It was posted in the last RDS thread you shit in too. FYI. You know for us old guys with dial up and revolvers It would be sooo much easier.... 
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Posted: 1/14/2019 11:21:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s an excellent idea You know for us old guys with dial up and revolvers It would be sooo much easier.... Just bookmark the damn thing already. |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 11:34:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I post it in every one of these threads and it answers all the questions you keep asking which are answered repeatedly. Just bookmark the damn thing already. For knowledge from one who has Shown no interest |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 11:38:20 AM EDT
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You assume desire For knowledge from one who has Shown no interest Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I post it in every one of these threads and it answers all the questions you keep asking which are answered repeatedly. Just bookmark the damn thing already. For knowledge from one who has Shown no interest |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 11:44:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s funny.. My first post in this thread was a response to the op asking a question about legitimate self defense distances You must have missed that part. First thread I participated in Did I not come back and admit my errors Yes why yes I did.... So really these threads are helpful but what would be more helpful is the readers digest version... Precision married with speed Fudds may disagree |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 11:55:51 AM EDT
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I don't carry AWIB because I'm fat, but I've never noticed my RMR guns carrying any differently IWB.
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Posted: 1/14/2019 11:57:36 AM EDT
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Red dots on pistols Precision married with speed Fudds may disagree Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: That’s funny.. My first post in this thread was a response to the op asking a question about legitimate self defense distances You must have missed that part. First thread I participated in Did I not come back and admit my errors Yes why yes I did.... So really these threads are helpful but what would be more helpful is the readers digest version... Precision married with speed Fudds may disagree |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 11:58:48 AM EDT
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It’s a constant in these threads Disagreement is frowned upon And yep safe bet OP already had his mind made up Verification is all he wanted... Buy a dot You don’t need ARFcom’s approval.. If it makes you faster better and capable of 100 yard shots Keep it If not Put it on the EE Start one of theses threads And someone will buy it... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OP should change the title of this thread. Clearly, any opinion that is not 100% pro RMR is being shit upon and he has already made up his mind. Title should read. "I am getting an RMR and if you don't, you're stupid." Disagreement is frowned upon And yep safe bet OP already had his mind made up Verification is all he wanted... Buy a dot You don’t need ARFcom’s approval.. If it makes you faster better and capable of 100 yard shots Keep it If not Put it on the EE Start one of theses threads And someone will buy it... You pseudopoetically shat in the thread and are now acting like a martyr about it. |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 12:05:13 PM EDT
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Will you ever really engage a threat |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 12:10:55 PM EDT
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for all you no RMR having fudds
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Posted: 1/14/2019 12:10:57 PM EDT
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goddamn I cant believe Im the fucking old guy now saying that irons are all you need Of course, then there are also guys who have old eyes with issues that cause the red dot to "shatter", rendering the image totally useless. |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 12:12:20 PM EDT
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All the theorical arguments aside, you know what switched me from a mrds skeptic to believer?
A few guys I was beating at pistol matches got dots and trounced me That's all it took.
This was a match with mostly 0-15Y with some 25Y shots too ... not 100Y exhibition shooting. The dot gave them an advantage at close range and long range. Go point shoot a uspsa/idpa match and see how you do. |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 12:13:39 PM EDT
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All the theorical arguments aside, you know what switched me from a mrds skeptic to believer? A few guys I was beating at pistol matches got dots and trounced me That's all it took.
This was a match with mostly 0-15Y with some 25Y shots too ... not 100Y exhibition shooting. The dot gave them an advantage at close range and long range. Go point shoot a uspsa/idpa match and see how you do. |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 12:16:18 PM EDT
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All the theorical arguments aside, you know what switched me from a mrds skeptic to believer? A few guys I was beating at pistol matches got dots and trounced me That sounds far inferior to engaging in endless bullshit what ifs about how far away you'd need to shoot. Hard pass. |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 12:18:21 PM EDT
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You make some excellent points there. Most of us adults have been training with and practicing with iron sighted handguns for decades. I believe that is what I will rely upon should I ever find myself in a deadly force on force confrontation. That, and the fact that at 100 yards, 99.9 out of 100 bad guys won't be able to hit me as I am hauling ass away from the scene. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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wrote an article on this topic a while ago http://www.vdmsr.com/2017/06/optic-mounted-pistols-and-concepts-in.html Most of us adults have been training with and practicing with iron sighted handguns for decades. I believe that is what I will rely upon should I ever find myself in a deadly force on force confrontation. That, and the fact that at 100 yards, 99.9 out of 100 bad guys won't be able to hit me as I am hauling ass away from the scene. As I stated in the article, the only really acceptable reason, other than mission requirements, to use an optic on your pistol (like an RMR) is because your eye sight is such that you can no longer see your front sight properly. Then it may be advisable and effective to use an optic. Outside of the above, and other reasons, stated in the article, there is absolutely zero reason to use an RMR over irons. No speed difference and the only accuracy enhancement is outside of 25yards. |
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Posted: 1/14/2019 12:18:27 PM EDT
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