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Posted: 6/27/2024 2:36:47 PM EDT
I’m considering buying a used Porsche as a daily driver. So something not pristine, no skinny tires on 21 inch rims that will get destroyed on NY roads. I need it to be a cabriolet. Leaning towards auto but manual is ok. I’m aware of the IMS issue. I’ve been thinking ( maybe incorrectly) a carrera S or carrera 4S ? Any real world info is much appreciated
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Posted: 6/27/2024 3:15:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Toasted]
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Get a CPO at your local Porsche dealership.
They have been inspected, all maintenance is up to date, all wear items are 50% or less, and come with a two year unlimited miles warranty on top of any remaining factory warranty. Any modern 911 has more than enough power to get you into trouble. Some desirable options are sports chrono, premium package, keyless entry and drive, sports exhaust, Bose sound, heated and ventilated seats, and rear axle steering. If you get a 991.2 it comes with Apple carplay standard, and the turbocharged engines can put out massively more power with just an ECU tune. Also, https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/The-Official-ARFCOM-Porsche-Thread/5-2440191/ |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 6/27/2024 3:59:55 PM EDT
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In the famous words of Joe OXiden, "Don't just don't."
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Posted: 6/27/2024 4:31:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mousegun: In the famous words of Joe OXiden, "Don't just don't." |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 6/27/2024 6:43:40 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Pault: I’m considering buying a used Porsche as a daily driver. So something not pristine, no skinny tires on 21 inch rims that will get destroyed on NY roads. I need it to be a cabriolet. Leaning towards auto but manual is ok. I’m aware of the IMS issue. I’ve been thinking ( maybe incorrectly) a carrera S or carrera 4S ? Any real world info is much appreciated If I were to go non-turbo, I'd be all over a 997.2 C4S as a daily. |
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Posted: 6/27/2024 7:07:23 PM EDT
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What ones are you looking at?
I was a Porsche Master tech for 20+ years. |
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Posted: 6/27/2024 9:56:28 PM EDT
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So far in my price range I’m seeing the carrera S and 4S cabrio. Depending on condition anything from early 2000s in mint low mileage condition to mid 2010s in crazy high mileage condition. Optimally I’d like to keep spending to $50k or less, less is way better lol. But I’ve considered getting a loan and going as high as $70k, I prefer not to unless there’s a good reason though
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Posted: 6/27/2024 9:57:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Danted: What ones are you looking at? I was a Porsche Master tech for 20+ years. If you were in my shoes, what would you choose ? |
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Posted: 6/27/2024 10:18:54 PM EDT
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How long do you plan on keeping it?
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Posted: 6/27/2024 10:30:45 PM EDT
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Just bought a 2015 Boxster GTS manual, anything you can tell me to watch for?
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Posted: 6/27/2024 10:32:18 PM EDT
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The 718 cayman is nice. You should at least look at a used one even if your dead set on a 911.
I just built a nice brand new one for 80k on the website. Not that I'm buying one anytime soon. good luck. |
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Posted: 6/27/2024 10:43:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: KcConquistador]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Danted: What ones are you looking at? I was a Porsche Master tech for 20+ years. May I ask your thoughts on a 997.2 2009 911 Carrera S, 58k miles, PDK, well maintained. I don’t trust my local KC Porsche dealer, and the car’s previous owners mechanic doesn’t want to work. I replaced the front bump stops myself, the Porsche dealership missed checking the bump stops during the 60k service. Car drives a little loose in steering and a little bumpy suspension-wise. I would like to get it to drive as new. Your thoughts would be appreciated. Thank you in advance! |
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Posted: 6/27/2024 11:27:49 PM EDT
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OP, you can get a very nice 996 or 997 for under $50k. As mentioned in the other thread, get a PPI so you avoid surprises. Many Porsche owners will have maintenance records so look for those. You mentioned a convertible. That’s what I drive and I love it. You do want to make sure the PPI covers the convertible top cylinders as they can leak (as mine did), but they can be rebuilt.
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WV, USA
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Posted: 6/27/2024 11:44:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Danted: What ones are you looking at? I was a Porsche Master tech for 20+ years.  Fully aware of xcase issues on the gas motors and oil coolers on the diesels. Anything else I should watch out for? |
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Posted: 6/28/2024 9:58:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DoubleTaps: The 718 cayman is nice. You should at least look at a used one even if your dead set on a 911. I just built a nice brand new one for 80k on the website. Not that I'm buying one anytime soon. good luck. |
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Posted: 6/28/2024 12:22:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pault: If you were in my shoes, what would you choose ? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pault: Originally Posted By Danted: What ones are you looking at? I was a Porsche Master tech for 20+ years. If you were in my shoes, what would you choose ? What are your plans for the car. Do you diy |
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Posted: 6/28/2024 12:25:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ChuckD05: I'd like to pick your brain on 958s. Fully aware of xcase issues on the gas motors and oil coolers on the diesels. Anything else I should watch out for? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ChuckD05: Originally Posted By Danted: What ones are you looking at? I was a Porsche Master tech for 20+ years. Fully aware of xcase issues on the gas motors and oil coolers on the diesels. Anything else I should watch out for? Run away from hybirds Diesels are ok but if they aren't deleted they have a lot of emissions issues. Big issue with diesels is they all will need a reseal due to a mistake at the assembly line. It's a huge jib. Besides transfer case the only other 958 issues are leather dashboards the leather shrinks. The non leather door panels seprate and aren't repairable and real expensive to fix |
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Posted: 6/28/2024 12:28:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KcConquistador: May I ask your thoughts on a 997.2 2009 911 Carrera S, 58k miles, PDK, well maintained. I don’t trust my local KC Porsche dealer, and the car’s previous owners mechanic doesn’t want to work. I replaced the front bump stops myself, the Porsche dealership missed checking the bump stops during the 60k service. Car drives a little loose in steering and a little bumpy suspension-wise. I would like to get it to drive as new. Your thoughts would be appreciated. Thank you in advance! #1 what do you have for tires? How old and worn are they? These cars are really sensitive to junk/worn/old tires. 2# 15 year old car probaly has some weak shocks. 3. I would probaly start with new shocks and a good alignment |
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Posted: 6/28/2024 12:29:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mugsy: Just bought a 2015 Boxster GTS manual, anything you can tell me to watch for? Really solid car, keep the rear top drains clean. I'd remove the plugs. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 6/28/2024 12:35:51 PM EDT
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If you get one, get something that you know has been checked out. If not, you could be looking at repair bills in excess of the purchase price.
Used Porsches (Audi, BMW, Mercedes, etc) are only for people that afford really expensive maintenance. Just budget that stuff in right from the beginning. |
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Posted: 6/28/2024 2:03:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Danted: What are your plans for the car. Do you diy I will use it to go to and from work and out to dinner and weekend trips |
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Posted: 6/28/2024 10:46:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Danted: #1 what do you have for tires? How old and worn are they? These cars are really sensitive to junk/worn/old tires. 2# 15 year old car probaly has some weak shocks. 3. I would probaly start with new shocks and a good alignment Thank you sir, I appreciate you! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Danted: Originally Posted By KcConquistador: May I ask your thoughts on a 997.2 2009 911 Carrera S, 58k miles, PDK, well maintained. I don’t trust my local KC Porsche dealer, and the car’s previous owners mechanic doesn’t want to work. I replaced the front bump stops myself, the Porsche dealership missed checking the bump stops during the 60k service. Car drives a little loose in steering and a little bumpy suspension-wise. I would like to get it to drive as new. Your thoughts would be appreciated. Thank you in advance! #1 what do you have for tires? How old and worn are they? These cars are really sensitive to junk/worn/old tires. 2# 15 year old car probaly has some weak shocks. 3. I would probaly start with new shocks and a good alignment Thank you sir, I appreciate you! |
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Posted: 6/29/2024 8:51:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pault: I will use it to go to and from work and out to dinner and weekend trips If you're not gonna drive it daily I would buy a 996 turbo. No engine issues and less price flucation with the market. They were the first "supercar" absolutely wonderful cars... but they are 20+ years old now. If you want something newer get a 997.2 with a manual trans. Pdk is expensive when it breaks. The 997 is a good car and the .2 is absolutely the best engine in a non turbo 911 since the 90s. No ims issues. Honestly I like 991s too but the bean counters cheapend up the build materials and they wear poorly, lots of ittle nitpicking things that break or need work and they usually look older then they are. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 6/30/2024 9:55:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Danted: Really solid car, keep the rear top drains clean. I'd remove the plugs. this happened with my GTI. got backed up and water was leaking into the car. Removed plugs solved the issue. |
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Posted: 6/30/2024 1:13:22 PM EDT
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The 993 was the first car porache stopped trying to keep water out and instead just control the flow.
Works great till the drains plug. 996/997/cayene/986/987/panamera,macan all have some type of drain that could be an issue. Pull the cowl drain plugs on everything. Cut the evap and sunroof drains on everything |
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Posted: 6/30/2024 1:25:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dirtyboy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NukeThemTillTheyGlow: Love to hear an explanation of why you say that. Porsche is one of the the most reliable car brands out there, regardless of price. I'd say that because the nearest dealer is 150 miles away. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 6/30/2024 1:44:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dirtyboy: I'd say that because the nearest dealer is 150 miles away. And probably $300 an hour in labor. There will be lots of labor. |
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Posted: 6/30/2024 9:53:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By maslin02: And probably $300 an hour in labor. There will be lots of labor. Dealers here are 350-550. Per hour |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 7/1/2024 12:19:18 AM EDT
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Spinning wrenches means getting a Bentley book if it's published for that model. Even for other European makes too, if nothing else for knowledge.
Rennlists forum too. |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 7/1/2024 12:09:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By maslin02: And probably $300 an hour in labor. There will be lots of labor. I want to slap my HS guidance counselor... I have a couple of indy Porsche shops on speed dial and they aren't near that much. <200/hr according to my recent invoices. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 7/5/2024 1:10:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Toasted: Get a CPO at your local Porsche dealership. Or you can go private party, pay for an independent PPI, and make sure the car is CPO eligible. You can pay to get it done later as long as it’s under 4 years/50k miles IIRC |
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