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Posted: 4/21/2023 11:19:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By t75fnaco3pwzhd: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuPvv2mXgAIJgui?format=jpg&name=900x900 You think maybe a flame trench and water deluge system might have been prudent? |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 11:20:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By t75fnaco3pwzhd: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuPvv2mXgAIJgui?format=jpg&name=900x900 
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Posted: 4/21/2023 11:21:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ILfreedom: You joined Arf in 2008. I joined in 2023. I'm failing to see the difference here. Is there some unspoken rule on longevity of accounts I don't understand? Just watching the trend. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 11:22:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By t75fnaco3pwzhd: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuPvv2mXgAIJgui?format=jpg&name=900x900 Well the Boring company is up and operational! |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 11:22:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By t75fnaco3pwzhd: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuPvv2mXgAIJgui?format=jpg&name=900x900 I'm starting to wonder if that's totaled. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2023 11:23:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ILfreedom: I believe NASA made an error in awarding the moon lander contract to Spacex. Starship requires 8 to 10 orbital refuelings in earth LEO to get to lunar orbit and then take the astronauts down to the surface. NASA isn't going to let men ride on that ship until it has a safety record at least as good as the Falcon 9. Instead, Starship should just do unmanned cargo flights to deposit everything you need on the lunar surface to build a lunar base. Let some other company do the actual landings and then those astronauts can unload the cargo starship. Of the two other quotes, 1 was impossible (the math didn't add up) and the other was like 10 billion dollars with requiring another $1 billion SLS launch. AKA the other options blew. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 11:27:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: snakes19]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By t75fnaco3pwzhd: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuPvv2mXgAIJgui?format=jpg&name=900x900 oh boy that is not a "just fill it in with dirt" fix, those columns look rough wonder how many cubic yards of material this rocket dug out there |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2023 11:33:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmnoid77: Just watching the trend. I'll make my trend more obvious. I support aid to Ukraine, I'll vote for Desantis if he runs, I won't vote for Trump. Have I cleared that trend up for you? |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 11:34:47 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/21/2023 11:44:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By t75fnaco3pwzhd: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuPvv2mXgAIJgui?format=jpg&name=900x900 I'm thinking a lot of shit broke loose inside. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2023 11:44:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burnka871: I'm starting to wonder if that's totaled. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burnka871: Originally Posted By t75fnaco3pwzhd: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuPvv2mXgAIJgui?format=jpg&name=900x900 I'm starting to wonder if that's totaled. Yeah, that things done. Even if it's structurally sound, they'll still have to build up platform for a flame trench and all, and re-installing that is probably more expensive than building a new one. I expect the launch tower will be getting a couple sections added in the middle of it as well. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 11:47:32 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/21/2023 11:49:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By snakes19: oh boy that is not a "just fill it in with dirt" fix, those columns look rough wonder how many cubic yards of material this rocket dug out there Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By snakes19: Originally Posted By t75fnaco3pwzhd: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuPvv2mXgAIJgui?format=jpg&name=900x900 oh boy that is not a "just fill it in with dirt" fix, those columns look rough wonder how many cubic yards of material this rocket dug out there Photoshop Elon in this...   Attached File |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 11:51:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AJE: There are a lot of a) Elon haters and b) fucking idiots out there, and a lot of them like to comment on shit they don't know about. Oh Hell, there are some of them in GD. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 11:52:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher15: Thats not how it works. Congress funds each program. They dont give a lump sum to NASA and say 'have fun ya'll.' If youre going to criticize, learn how things are actually funded. Congress apportions monies to federal agencies, those agencies obligate it, if something runs more than is apportioned the money doesn't exist. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 11:57:38 AM EDT
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MT, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2023 11:58:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ILfreedom: 10 pmag bet that Starship won't be the lander that puts astronauts on the moon. Ante up. We have plenty of time to wait on this. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ILfreedom: Originally Posted By DK-Prof: I don't think you understand it at all. SpaceX did not get the HLS contract because they were the low bidder. They got the contract because they were the only bidder to submit an actual design that could work. Both of the other bids were basically "We kind of have an idea, but couldn't be bothered to fully develop it - so just give us a ton of money and maybe we'll build something someday." The Dynetics bid was basically of a design that couldn't work (because it didn't meet the mass requirements of the contract), and would have to be re-designed and the Blue Origin team bid basically admitted up front that their design didn't work and promised to design something new after they got the bid. Keep in mind, both Dynetics and the Blue Origin team were each given way more money by NASA up front to develop lander designs for the bid than SpaceX was given. Blue Origin was given almost $600 million up front, Dynetics was given $250 million up front, and SpaceX was given about $130 million - and guess who was the only company to actually come up with a realistic design?  I also don't think you understand how SpaceX operates. This was the first TEST (of many) of an EXPERIMENTAL vehicle. There are going to be tons and tons of tests, as they slowly iterate their way towards the final version. Once they have the final version, THEN they will start working more on reliability and safety and start worrying about getting it man-rated. Lots of Falcons blew up as the Falcon 9 was being developed, and now it is the ONLY man-rated rocket built by a US company and used by NASA. Why would Starship be any different? They are still in the very early stages. To immediately start clutching pearls and wringing hands about how people should never be on a fully developed Starship, just because a super-early test vehicle didn't work perfectly - missed the entire point of how the development process works. 10 pmag bet that Starship won't be the lander that puts astronauts on the moon. Ante up. We have plenty of time to wait on this. You'd probably need a clause that states "if either of us dies, the bet is off". Because I suspect that once Elon is no longer useful to the feds (i.e. when they get another vendor who can launch their satellites), they're gonna do their best to screw him in any way possible. If that happens, we may be waiting a LONG time before any lunar landing happens. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 12:03:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By redoubt: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/74363/diverter_png-2790646.JPG Enough launches and you will have a flame diverter.
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UT, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2023 12:09:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ILfreedom: I'm quite aware of the process and understood that astronauts were only riding the Starship from lunar orbit down. But it's a waste to do this when Starship is more ideally designed as an autonomous cargo ship. I saw the first lunar landing when I was 12 years old. I'd like to see another one before I croak. Starship is not that answer. NASA and SpaceX disagree with you. You state your opinion as if it were fact. LOL!!!! |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 12:11:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Enough launches and you will have a flame diverter. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Originally Posted By redoubt: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/74363/diverter_png-2790646.JPG Enough launches and you will have a flame diverter. enough launches and the Chinese Army can walk on in to the US. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 12:15:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By elcope:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuP7RyfXsAAEN-w?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuP7YvVWIAMzwFK?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 Mistakes were made. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2023 12:23:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Utahshooting: NASA and SpaceX disagree with you. You state your opinion as if it were fact. LOL!!!! Has Nasa ever made bad decisions in their history? My opinion is this is one of them. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2023 12:32:53 PM EDT
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Gosh, that launchpad is FUBAR'd for sure.
Dumb question, since there's no way to dig a trench because of the high water table, and they can't build a huge hill because of reasons, could they fill in/repair all the missing concrete, and then just cover the whole area with 1" thick steel plate? Or would that just melt and then you'd have molten steel flying everywhere instead of concrete? |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 12:42:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ILfreedom: Has Nasa ever made bad decisions in their history? My opinion is this is one of them. Carter Racing Team. But this isn’t one. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 12:45:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ILfreedom: You think maybe a flame trench and water deluge system might have been prudent? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ILfreedom: Originally Posted By t75fnaco3pwzhd: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuPvv2mXgAIJgui?format=jpg&name=900x900 You think maybe a flame trench and water deluge system might have been prudent? |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2023 12:52:33 PM EDT
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Conjecture from a lot of the space journalist groups, based on some of the observed hardware that's been delivered the past few months, is that SpaceX is going to be building a combination deluge/diverter system. My understanding is that the diverter itself will be constructed of and/or actively cooled by the plumbing delivering the water to the deluge. The water does double-duty, keeping the diverter from melting and then subsequently forming the deluge. Apparently this is how some rocket test stands already do things, and since the high water table and already-built tower preclude a huge NASA-esque trench, it seems like a logical direction for SpaceX to move towards.
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Posted: 4/21/2023 1:01:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By t75fnaco3pwzhd: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuPvv2mXgAIJgui?format=jpg&name=900x900 Well the trench is dug! |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2023 1:01:32 PM EDT
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Maybe there's enough room under the pad to have that quarter-circle ramp with water cascading down it that they used during the tests of all five F1 engines for the Saturn V at the Marshall Space Flight Center.
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Posted: 4/21/2023 1:02:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/21/2023 1:11:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Hadrian]
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Super tempted to order this and have it sent to Elon Musk c/o SpaceX, Boca Chica, TX.
https://www.amazon.com/Bakers-Pride-A3079X-FLAME-DIVERTER/dp/B01G29BCAO |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2023 1:19:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
We need pictures of the road. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 1:27:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ILfreedom: Has Nasa ever made bad decisions in their history? My opinion is this is one of them. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 1:28:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumafish: Conjecture from a lot of the space journalist groups, based on some of the observed hardware that's been delivered the past few months, is that SpaceX is going to be building a combination deluge/diverter system. My understanding is that the diverter itself will be constructed of and/or actively cooled by the plumbing delivering the water to the deluge. The water does double-duty, keeping the diverter from melting and then subsequently forming the deluge. Apparently this is how some rocket test stands already do things, and since the high water table and already-built tower preclude a huge NASA-esque trench, it seems like a logical direction for SpaceX to move towards. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 1:28:53 PM EDT
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Holy moly... looks like a war zone.
I think they are going to have to come up with a new plan for the launch mount and flame diverter. I think that level of damage and plan mitigation will take them a year before the next launch. -ZA |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 1:31:40 PM EDT
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 From NSF Forum |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 1:35:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher15: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/694811883953455184/1099023779843293224/Full_Resized.png From NSF Forum This makes the whole belly flop landing seem less insane. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 1:35:34 PM EDT
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The high water table doesn't really preclude a trench, it just means they would have to sheetpile and pump it, then keep it full of water so it doesn't float
Expensive but not uncommon. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 1:36:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ScaryBlackGuns: This makes the whole belly flop landing seem less insane. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ScaryBlackGuns: Originally Posted By Cypher15: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/694811883953455184/1099023779843293224/Full_Resized.png From NSF Forum This makes the whole belly flop landing seem less insane. That image is sideways I think |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 1:37:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By t75fnaco3pwzhd: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuPvv2mXgAIJgui?format=jpg&name=900x900 It's gonna need a paint job and a shitload of screen doors. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 1:42:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KonamiCode: It's gonna need a paint job and a shitload of screen doors. Nah I need a butt load of flowable fill and she ll be all set. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 2:05:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: double_trouble_2003]
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Great slow motion shot of the launch. Pause at 12 seconds, large, flaming debris to the right of Starship and pause again at 15 seconds, to the left of Starship, going higher / faster than the ship, out of frame. ETA: Not sure what's up with posting a tweet. (Brownelled) |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 2:10:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/21/2023 2:10:50 PM EDT
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Remove the "?" and everything after it in the link
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Posted: 4/21/2023 2:12:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ScaryBlackGuns: Remove the "?" and everything after it in the link Thanks brother! |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 2:19:25 PM EDT
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 Starbase Rover 2.0 Cam SpaceX Starship Launch Complex Go to 7:05 am, the drone rolls in to inspect the burning(?) venting(?) BQD. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 2:32:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By double_trouble_2003: Great slow motion shot of the launch. Pause at 12 seconds, large, flaming debris to the right of Starship and pause again at 15 seconds, to the left of Starship, going higher / faster than the ship, out of frame. ETA: Not sure what's up with posting a tweet. (Brownelled) Makes it even more impressive that it still launched and so many engines remained online. Looks like it was taking off in a veritable blender (of its own making). |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 2:46:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By double_trouble_2003: Great slow motion shot of the launch. Pause at 12 seconds, large, flaming debris to the right of Starship and pause again at 15 seconds, to the left of Starship, going higher / faster than the ship, out of frame. ETA: Not sure what's up with posting a tweet. (Brownelled) whomever said a piece of debris damaged engines is probably correct. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 2:52:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/21/2023 3:06:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumafish: Conjecture from a lot of the space journalist groups, based on some of the observed hardware that's been delivered the past few months, is that SpaceX is going to be building a combination deluge/diverter system. My understanding is that the diverter itself will be constructed of and/or actively cooled by the plumbing delivering the water to the deluge. The water does double-duty, keeping the diverter from melting and then subsequently forming the deluge. Apparently this is how some rocket test stands already do things, and since the high water table and already-built tower preclude a huge NASA-esque trench, it seems like a logical direction for SpaceX to move towards.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2023 3:19:34 PM EDT
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What a time to be alive!
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