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Posted: 10/18/2024 3:10:18 PM EST
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Posted: 10/18/2024 3:11:33 PM EST
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Posted: 10/18/2024 3:26:23 PM EST
[Last Edit: Cobalt135]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
And there it is for the ones who skip alot of the twitter links, bouy cam footage...  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/18/2024 3:43:11 PM EST
[Last Edit: Hesperus]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GaMnibPWQAAE_hi?format=jpg&name=large The ring will become an integral component soon enough. But I wouldn't say Ship 30 is being reused. On a somewhat related note...  Guardsman Joe Accidentally Causes Exterminatus |
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Posted: 10/18/2024 3:43:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
Maybe it's the angle...that looks way more aggressive coming in than the booster. |
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Posted: 10/18/2024 4:10:50 PM EST
[Last Edit: AZ_Sky]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burnka871: Maybe it's the angle...that looks way more aggressive coming in than the booster. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burnka871: Originally Posted By Chokey:
Maybe it's the angle...that looks way more aggressive coming in than the booster. I don't know, it probably depends on the approach profile. I've seen some pretty aggressive looking Falcon9 landing approaches.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/18/2024 5:15:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
Starship achieved a precise, soft landing in the ocean, paving the way for return to launch site and being caught by the tower arms, like the booster. Full & rapid reusability improves the cost of access to orbit & beyond by >10,000%. It is the fundamental technology breakthrough needed to make life multiplanetary and for us to become a true spacefaring civilization. |
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Posted: 10/18/2024 5:16:32 PM EST
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Posted: 10/18/2024 5:51:31 PM EST
[Last Edit: Cobalt135]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burnka871: Maybe it's the angle...that looks way more aggressive coming in than the booster. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burnka871: Originally Posted By Chokey:
Maybe it's the angle...that looks way more aggressive coming in than the booster. You could say it is aggressive. At 1:05 in this video is about the same time the bouy video starts. SN8, about 4 years ago.  Wow! SpaceX Starship SN8's landing maneuver flip video is mind-boggling |
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Posted: 10/18/2024 6:24:59 PM EST
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Posted: 10/18/2024 7:23:37 PM EST
[Last Edit: Hesperus]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cobalt135: And there it is for the ones who skip alot of the twitter links, bouy cam footage... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/164047/Screenshot_2024-10-18_162527_jpg-3352629.JPG YouTube vid.  SpaceX Starship flight 5 splashdown and explosion captured by buoy camera I'm expecting that when we get to see this falling from space it will look a lot like the Battlestar Galactica coming in through the atmosphere of New Caprica.  Battlestar Galactica | Galactica Tricks The Cylons Maybe someone should have a live band with bagpipes and drums in Texas when this happens? |
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Posted: 10/18/2024 7:27:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By johnh57: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/335829/1000002227_jpg-3352757.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By johnh57: Originally Posted By Chokey: bumping this to start a new page  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/335829/1000002227_jpg-3352757.JPG I didn't miss it, I think you missed it. 
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Posted: 10/18/2024 8:18:03 PM EST
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I was at KSC today on a private tour. Got up close to the Space X pad.
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Posted: 10/18/2024 8:20:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JPN: Starship will make it much easier to assemble a station similar to a bicycle wheel, with the 'tire' being the majority of the pressurized space and spokes to tie the tire to the hub/dock, but more substantial rotating stations will be limited by the problem of getting the oversize sections out of Earth's gravity well while dealing with the aerodynamic loads of our atmosphere. They could still be made in smaller sections, but each joint is a potential leak that has to be sealed and joined with enough strength to handle the load from the pressure differential and the force from the spin. The Sierra Space inflatable hab modules will be perfect for building a ring-type station. They are proving to be very robust during burst testing. Packaged for launch, even the biggest one fits inside a Starship cargo section. 
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Posted: 10/18/2024 11:11:52 PM EST
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NEW: @theallinpod praises @elonmusk and @SpaceX for successfully catching the massive Starship booster and projects that @Starlink could easily surpass 100 million subscribers. "SpaceX has dramatically reduced the costs per kilogram to launch material into low-earth orbit." "Elon's always said that $1000 a kilogram is too high, and his objective is to get the cost down to $10 a kilogram." "It was critical to be able to reuse that heavy booster, and that's what Elon just demonstrated. So you can actually catch that heavy booster, refuel it, and launch it an hour later." "If you can do that over and over again, you're spending $10 a kilogram to put material into space. You can get fuel into space and then get those Starships to fly off to Mars and deliver all this material, including setting up a base that would allow you to actually make more fuel on Mars." "So it's the beginning of the next series of really important milestones that will hopefully get humanity to Mars. It was so amazing to see it come together. The economics are legit. This is like a 1000x reduction in cost." "Starlink is running like 4 million subs right now at $100 a month." "If we can get satellite to phone and Starlink more broadly available, this could be a 100 million subscriber business." |
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Posted: 10/18/2024 11:29:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burnka871: Maybe it's the angle...that looks way more aggressive coming in than the booster. I think was due to having to slide it in a bit to get it either there, or protect the arms from being blasted. Then again the Falcon boosters come in a bit angled too just not at the end stage. |
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Posted: 10/18/2024 11:58:07 PM EST
[Last Edit: Obo2]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_of_Orion: Yes. Capturing. Easy. (also necessary no matter where you are) Redirecting. Easy. (also necessary no matter where you are) Deorbiting. Super brain dead Easy. Processing in a gravity well. Easy. Producing Fuel. Easy. (also necessary no matter where you are) SpaceX's rocket will reduce the cost to get to Orbit from Earth... But Earth will always be the most expensive place to lift stuff into Orbit from. The Moon is also a viable processing factory location. But its gravity is pitifully low... I doubt people could live there long term. You could do a year long "tour of duty" system without too much trouble but you definitely don't want families and kids being born there. So your workforce will always be limited and inexperienced. Both the Moon and Mars have the benefit of not needing to care what "waste gasses" you vent out onto their surface. And in Mars' case any and all waste gases vented would be encouraged. The key though is getting to orbit from Earth cheap enough to get things started. Starship and the Super Heavy Booster are designed to do just that. After that people will find the most efficient place to set up shop and do so. None of that is as easy as slapping together a modular ring station and spinning it. Make it an all in one station that rendezvous with an asteroid and processes it en route to wherever as it slowly changes its orbit. Or just plays station.io and keeps getting bigger and bigger... Mars is already quite obviously rich in iron and being less massive than earth with less active geology likely means a lot of pms are not as deep as on earth. Seems to me more of an inconvenience to try to process asteroids on it and then transport them back off when you can do virtually the same thing with omg it spins. Whatever this thread quickly spins in to theory and fiction between launches. I guess it makes it fun to dream. Mars has an economic viability independent of any sort of asteroid mining in the same way the west had economic viability to railroad barrens and anyone else who could gobble up some land and create a sustainable industry. If musk succeeds in creating a sustainable city on mars it's likely the fortune of his heirs that move there could exceed his own wealth on earth. Of course he might go bankrupt trying and or kill a lot of people. |
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Posted: 10/19/2024 1:49:29 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mickdog13: Most classic response for Anti-space and it has been easily debunked for decades if you did the slightest bit of research. Eta: you sound like a climate scientist! Hahaha, just giving you some shit. Posters above are explaining what I was driving at with charm and knowledge. I am only good at sarcasm. Really? You could've fooled me! |
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Posted: 10/19/2024 10:25:32 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RinsableTick: Where the rubber meets the RUD. That is rubber, right? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RinsableTick: Originally Posted By Chokey: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GaMk_GoWoAADXuc?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GaMk_9GXYAAaZhr?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GaMlmN5bUAEuLP8?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GaMlmwbaUAA3x2V?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 Where the rubber meets the RUD. That is rubber, right? Nick |
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Posted: 10/19/2024 11:47:29 AM EST
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 SpaceX's Frantic Push to Move Forward with Starship! Big Changes Are Coming!  Starship Launch Pad Damage Inspections | SpaceX Boca Chica |
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Posted: 10/19/2024 12:10:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7: RGV has a lawsuit against SpaceX for water pollution. https://wccftech.com/spacex-says-it-will-lose-4-million-per-day-if-starship-launches-are-suspended-by-court/ SpaceX says it will lose 4 million per day if launches are halted. 4 million per day is 1.46 billion per year. |
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Posted: 10/19/2024 12:25:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CleverNickname: Don't get me wrong, more power to him if that's what he wants to spend his money on. I just think it'll be way more difficult to do than he's claiming, and there's much less of a reason to do it. IMO if you're worried about the Earth being destroyed, it'd make more sense to spend lots of money on making Earth more survivable, like telescopes to detect asteroids and systems to redirect or destroy them; or making many deep earth habitats with the "send a series of military families to live underground for 6 months at a time" idea mentioned earlier in the thread. |
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Posted: 10/19/2024 12:35:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cpt_Kirks: He must have grown up reading Clarke and Heinlein. |
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Posted: 10/19/2024 12:36:14 PM EST
[Last Edit: Hesperus]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Houstons_Problem: You mean like having a primary goal of building really big, reusable rockets, in vast numbers and sending them on huge projects so that diverting a couple to destroy or deflect dangerous objects is more of an inconvenience rather than an impossible task?  NASA's DART Mission to an Asteroid (Official Mission Trailer) Falcon 9 made this mission not only possible. But relatively easy. The original plan was for DART to go up to orbit on a rideshare mission. Then use it's ion engine to get out to the asteroid. Falcon 9 shot it straight at Diddymoon which is a very good thing because there was some kind of an issue with the ion engine. As far as I'm concerned we should have done a mission like this much sooner. At the same time it's nice to know that if we have a big space rock heading towards us we won't have to count on having something like a Shuttle or a Delta 🚀 being ready to go to save us. We can build an impactor and load it on some random F-9 booster. Theoretically we could even build a Super DART loaded with the biggest fucking nuclear payload we can cram into a Falcon Heavy fairing and if that doesn't work we can keep on firing until either the thing is either knocked off course or at least we all go down swinging. Starship will probably allow us in time to knock asteroids into orbits where we can mine them. |
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Posted: 10/19/2024 1:08:07 PM EST
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Kids are forming rocketry clubs again and you're blackpilling?
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Posted: 10/19/2024 3:06:22 PM EST
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I know it has been posted at least twice, but but Tim's team and the Cosmic Perspective team have hands down the best 4K and sound capture of anyone on the internet. With a dozen different cameras including a couple high speed cameras and excellent high zoom long distance tracking shots as well.
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Posted: 10/19/2024 3:10:13 PM EST
[Last Edit: Hadrian]
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Quote HistoryCan anybody summarize the "big changes" that are "coming" or is that just a clickbait title? |
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Posted: 10/19/2024 3:12:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mPisi: Kids are forming rocketry clubs again and you're blackpilling?
That is great |
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Posted: 10/19/2024 3:46:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DK-Prof: Good thing that literally the richest man on the entire planet, who has personally created the most successful rocket/space company in existence and is drastically driving costs down, is obsessed with accomplishing it. You are 100% correct that if this were up to governments, it would almost certainly NEVER happen. It's kind of bizarre that one human being has single-handedly made it his personal mission to make the human species interplanetary. It's like something out of a poorly written science-fiction novel that we would all scoff at. It's fascinating to be witnessing. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DK-Prof: Originally Posted By CleverNickname: Call me a pessimist, but I don't see it happening anytime soon. The main reason is there's no economic reason to do so. We're not running out of space on earth for people; the world population is almost certain to stop rising and start falling within a few decades. Even if we did start running out of habitable land to live on, it would be orders of magnitude easier to move large populations to live in places like the Sahara and Antarctica instead of Mars. But it'd be worth it if there were resources in space which we want to have on Earth. And there's a lot of asteriods with valuable metals. But how many people would be needed in space to supervise a bunch of robots? Multiple planets with people living on them to prevent a cataclysm on Earth from destroying all of humanity is a laudable goal I guess, but it's a really expensive and difficult undertaking to counter a really low probability event. And I have a feeling that getting Mars to a point where it could survive without any support from Earth is way more complicated than Elon claims it is. Good thing that literally the richest man on the entire planet, who has personally created the most successful rocket/space company in existence and is drastically driving costs down, is obsessed with accomplishing it. You are 100% correct that if this were up to governments, it would almost certainly NEVER happen. It's kind of bizarre that one human being has single-handedly made it his personal mission to make the human species interplanetary. It's like something out of a poorly written science-fiction novel that we would all scoff at. It's fascinating to be witnessing. our government, the UN, the world bank, and all the rest of the One Worlders are most likely worried about the success of Musk and his type......if history is any guide on this how the hell do they control those who will colonize off world? |
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Posted: 10/19/2024 3:47:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David0858: It's disgusting to think about, but if it wasn't for Musk we would still be sending our astronauts to space on a Russian rocket or just not able to put anyone in space. China would own space now without Musk.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David0858: Originally Posted By DK-Prof: Originally Posted By CleverNickname: Call me a pessimist, but I don't see it happening anytime soon. The main reason is there's no economic reason to do so. We're not running out of space on earth for people; the world population is almost certain to stop rising and start falling within a few decades. Even if we did start running out of habitable land to live on, it would be orders of magnitude easier to move large populations to live in places like the Sahara and Antarctica instead of Mars. But it'd be worth it if there were resources in space which we want to have on Earth. And there's a lot of asteriods with valuable metals. But how many people would be needed in space to supervise a bunch of robots? Multiple planets with people living on them to prevent a cataclysm on Earth from destroying all of humanity is a laudable goal I guess, but it's a really expensive and difficult undertaking to counter a really low probability event. And I have a feeling that getting Mars to a point where it could survive without any support from Earth is way more complicated than Elon claims it is. Good thing that literally the richest man on the entire planet, who has personally created the most successful rocket/space company in existence and is drastically driving costs down, is obsessed with accomplishing it. You are 100% correct that if this were up to governments, it would almost certainly NEVER happen. It's kind of bizarre that one human being has single-handedly made it his personal mission to make the human species interplanetary. It's like something out of a poorly written science-fiction novel that we would all scoff at. It's fascinating to be witnessing. It's disgusting to think about, but if it wasn't for Musk we would still be sending our astronauts to space on a Russian rocket or just not able to put anyone in space. China would own space now without Musk. The fact that you're asking the question is a sure indication that you already know what the answer is. |
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Posted: 10/19/2024 3:49:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmnoid77: Redundancy is resiliency. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmnoid77: Originally Posted By CleverNickname: Originally Posted By dmnoid77: Originally Posted By CleverNickname: Multiple planets with people living on them to prevent a cataclysm on Earth from destroying all of humanity is a laudable goal I guess, but it's a really expensive and difficult undertaking to counter a really low probability event. It only takes one. But even then the vast majority of humanity is still dead. The money would be better spent making Earth more resilient IMO. Redundancy is resiliency. do maple trees survive purely by focusing on one particular hill to drop their seeds on? |
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Posted: 10/19/2024 4:18:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Obo2: Whatever this thread quickly spins in to theory and fiction between launches. I guess it makes it fun to dream. Probably because there was so much hope for where things would go after the Apollo program was done, then NASA became a lower and lower priority as the left kept labeling it as a waste of funds, until we began to accept that the expectations we had for space travel in our youth, wasn't going to happen in our lifetimes. Then Musk comes along and builds what used to be 1950s Science Fiction, and makes it actually work. |
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Posted: 10/19/2024 4:59:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlvinYork: our government, the UN, the world bank, and all the rest of the One Worlders are most likely worried about the success of Musk and his type......if history is any guide on this how the hell do they control those who will colonize off world? |
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Posted: 10/19/2024 5:09:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JCoop: Probably the same way, and about as well, as the king of England did the New World? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JCoop: Originally Posted By AlvinYork: our government, the UN, the world bank, and all the rest of the One Worlders are most likely worried about the success of Musk and his type......if history is any guide on this how the hell do they control those who will colonize off world? Bill of Rights of the Free Mars Alliance Amendment 1: Nobody's taking anybody's weapons, because tyrants need to be killed. Amendment 2: If you are such a fragile snowflake that the words of other people hurt you that much, you should probably keep your mouth shut and avoid doing anything that could make the people that are talking think you are a wannabe tyrant. History has taught us that tyrants like to reinterpret what should be easy to understand statements, so in the future we should word important documents so that there can be no doubts about the intent. |
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Posted: 10/19/2024 6:17:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlvinYork: our government, the UN, the world bank, and all the rest of the One Worlders are most likely worried about the success of Musk and his type......if history is any guide on this how the hell do they control those who will colonize off world? In much the same way England controlled the Colonies: by forbidding them to trade among themselves or with foreign countries. Perhaps by creating and (artificially) controlling some commodity necessary to their existance. Oxygen for replenishing lost atmosphere? The kerosene they need for their rocket engines? The list must be fairly obvious. |
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Posted: 10/19/2024 6:38:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankSymptoms: In much the same way England controlled the Colonies: by forbidding them to trade among themselves or with foreign countries. Perhaps by creating and (artificially) controlling some commodity necessary to their existance. Oxygen for replenishing lost atmosphere? The kerosene they need for their rocket engines? The list must be fairly obvious. “The spice must flow…” |
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Posted: 10/19/2024 6:41:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JPN: Bill of Rights of the Free Mars Alliance Amendment 1: Nobody's taking anybody's weapons, because tyrants need to be killed. Amendment 2: If you are such a fragile snowflake that the words of other people hurt you that much, you should probably keep your mouth shut and avoid doing anything that could make the people that are talking think you are a wannabe tyrant. History has taught us that tyrants like to reinterpret what should be easy to understand statements, so in the future we should word important documents so that there can be no doubts about the intent. |
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Posted: 10/19/2024 6:59:33 PM EST
[Last Edit: BigGrumpyBear]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JCoop: Probably the same way, and about as well, as the king of England did the New World? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JCoop: Originally Posted By AlvinYork: our government, the UN, the world bank, and all the rest of the One Worlders are most likely worried about the success of Musk and his type......if history is any guide on this how the hell do they control those who will colonize off world? If you are a tyrant, and the colonies were not yet self sufficient there are several ways, first you could use bureaucratic delays on food and water shipments, maybe even have a couple of "accidents" on the launch pad or just after launch causing the FAA or the time period appropriate bureaucracy in charge of space travel, to take several months reviewing manufacturing, safety procedures and for foreign intel agencies while you ringed your hands and said oh no! on camera and anyway, off camera. After everyone's kids went hungry and thirsty several times when the resupply ships were destroyed/ late, folks will fall in line. If more direct methods were called for there is always on site sabotage of air/ water/ food supply maybe even a habitat breach causing catastrophic loss of environment in certain areas, maybe even with loss of life. Once they are self sufficient it becomes harder but leverage to ones families still on earth can work, massive bribes to corrupt politicians or reappointment of colonial governors to more loyalist minions can bring about compliance ala what Russia does to Belarus and did to Ukraine to keep them from being able to get free of their influence. When all that fails there is direct military action and the Colonial Space Marines created to defend colonies against the CCP's PLASM (Peoples Liberation Army Space Marines) will see action against colonialist who just want to keep their daughters and their livestocks virginity intact. That's just off the top of my head. I'm sure some of the more devious minded members here can come up with a dozen different ways I haven't thought of. |
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Posted: 10/19/2024 7:10:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wmounts: “The spice must flow…” Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wmounts: Originally Posted By FrankSymptoms: In much the same way England controlled the Colonies: by forbidding them to trade among themselves or with foreign countries. Perhaps by creating and (artificially) controlling some commodity necessary to their existance. Oxygen for replenishing lost atmosphere? The kerosene they need for their rocket engines? The list must be fairly obvious. “The spice must flow…” Ah yes, power mad, blood thirsty psychopaths holding on to power with an iron grasp. That never goes wrong or gets undone by rebellions.  Dune: Part One (2021) - Sardaukar battle preparations on Salusa Secundus [HD] "3 Italians, as agreed." |
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Posted: 10/19/2024 7:51:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlvinYork: The fact that you're asking the question is a sure indication that you already know what the answer is. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlvinYork: Originally Posted By David0858: Originally Posted By DK-Prof: Originally Posted By CleverNickname: Call me a pessimist, but I don't see it happening anytime soon. The main reason is there's no economic reason to do so. We're not running out of space on earth for people; the world population is almost certain to stop rising and start falling within a few decades. Even if we did start running out of habitable land to live on, it would be orders of magnitude easier to move large populations to live in places like the Sahara and Antarctica instead of Mars. But it'd be worth it if there were resources in space which we want to have on Earth. And there's a lot of asteriods with valuable metals. But how many people would be needed in space to supervise a bunch of robots? Multiple planets with people living on them to prevent a cataclysm on Earth from destroying all of humanity is a laudable goal I guess, but it's a really expensive and difficult undertaking to counter a really low probability event. And I have a feeling that getting Mars to a point where it could survive without any support from Earth is way more complicated than Elon claims it is. Good thing that literally the richest man on the entire planet, who has personally created the most successful rocket/space company in existence and is drastically driving costs down, is obsessed with accomplishing it. You are 100% correct that if this were up to governments, it would almost certainly NEVER happen. It's kind of bizarre that one human being has single-handedly made it his personal mission to make the human species interplanetary. It's like something out of a poorly written science-fiction novel that we would all scoff at. It's fascinating to be witnessing. It's disgusting to think about, but if it wasn't for Musk we would still be sending our astronauts to space on a Russian rocket or just not able to put anyone in space. China would own space now without Musk. The fact that you're asking the question is a sure indication that you already know what the answer is. There's no question in there, it was a statement. |
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Posted: 10/19/2024 8:14:01 PM EST
[Last Edit: RarestRX]
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 *EPIC* #starship IFT - 5 CINEMATIC [FREE BIRD COVER]  Starship IFT-5 : Interstellar Cinematic Film |
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Posted: 10/19/2024 8:30:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankSymptoms: In much the same way England controlled the Colonies: by forbidding them to trade among themselves or with foreign countries. Perhaps by creating and (artificially) controlling some commodity necessary to their existance. Oxygen for replenishing lost atmosphere? The kerosene they need for their rocket engines? The list must be fairly obvious. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankSymptoms: Originally Posted By AlvinYork: our government, the UN, the world bank, and all the rest of the One Worlders are most likely worried about the success of Musk and his type......if history is any guide on this how the hell do they control those who will colonize off world? In much the same way England controlled the Colonies: by forbidding them to trade among themselves or with foreign countries. Perhaps by creating and (artificially) controlling some commodity necessary to their existance. Oxygen for replenishing lost atmosphere? The kerosene they need for their rocket engines? The list must be fairly obvious. 
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Posted: 10/19/2024 8:51:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Obo2: None of that is as easy as slapping together a modular ring station and spinning it. Make it an all in one station that rendezvous with an asteroid and processes it en route to wherever as it slowly changes its orbit. Or just plays station.io and keeps getting bigger and bigger... Mars is already quite obviously rich in iron and being less massive than earth with less active geology likely means a lot of pms are not as deep as on earth. Seems to me more of an inconvenience to try to process asteroids on it and then transport them back off when you can do virtually the same thing with omg it spins. Whatever this thread quickly spins in to theory and fiction between launches. I guess it makes it fun to dream. Mars has an economic viability independent of any sort of asteroid mining in the same way the west had economic viability to railroad barrens and anyone else who could gobble up some land and create a sustainable industry. If musk succeeds in creating a sustainable city on mars it's likely the fortune of his heirs that move there could exceed his own wealth on earth. Of course he might go bankrupt trying and or kill a lot of people. An iron-rich Mars made me wonder whether mass drivers would work there. Looks like someone has considered using Olympus Mons to throw mass to Martian orbit. Imagine cast iron pigs thrown into space for machining and assembly into spacecraft. |
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Posted: 10/19/2024 9:11:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Houstons_Problem: The Heinlein character D. D. Harriman coming to life as Elon Musk was the very first thing I thought of when two boosters landed simultaneously while starman drove his tesla lotus to cross the orbit of Mars while listening to David Bowie. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Houstons_Problem: Originally Posted By Cpt_Kirks: He must have grown up reading Clarke and Heinlein. |
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Posted: 10/20/2024 6:28:58 AM EST
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Posted: 10/20/2024 6:52:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlvinYork: our government, the UN, the world bank, and all the rest of the One Worlders are most likely worried about the success of Musk and his type......if history is any guide on this how the hell do they control those who will colonize off world? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlvinYork: our government, the UN, the world bank, and all the rest of the One Worlders are most likely worried about the success of Musk and his type......if history is any guide on this how the hell do they control those who will colonize off world? “For Services provided on Mars, or in transit to Mars via Starship or other colonization spacecraft, the parties recognize Mars as a free planet and that no Earth-based government has authority or sovereignty over Martian activities. Accordingly, Disputes will be settled through self-governing principles, established in good faith, at the time of Martian settlement.” https://www.universetoday.com/148733/one-of-the-terms-of-service-for-starlink-is-that-you-recognize-mars-as-a-free-planet/ |
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Posted: 10/20/2024 10:12:07 AM EST
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 SpaceX Starship Flight 5 LAUNCH + CATCH / UP CLOSE! (4K/HDR) |
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Posted: 10/20/2024 11:53:37 AM EST
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Posted: 10/20/2024 2:32:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JPN: Bill of Rights of the Free Mars Alliance Amendment 1: Nobody's taking anybody's weapons, because tyrants need to be killed. Amendment 2: If you are such a fragile snowflake that the words of other people hurt you that much, you should probably keep your mouth shut and avoid doing anything that could make the people that are talking think you are a wannabe tyrant. History has taught us that tyrants like to reinterpret what should be easy to understand statements, so in the future we should word important documents so that there can be no doubts about the intent. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JPN: Originally Posted By JCoop: Originally Posted By AlvinYork: our government, the UN, the world bank, and all the rest of the One Worlders are most likely worried about the success of Musk and his type......if history is any guide on this how the hell do they control those who will colonize off world? Bill of Rights of the Free Mars Alliance Amendment 1: Nobody's taking anybody's weapons, because tyrants need to be killed. Amendment 2: If you are such a fragile snowflake that the words of other people hurt you that much, you should probably keep your mouth shut and avoid doing anything that could make the people that are talking think you are a wannabe tyrant. History has taught us that tyrants like to reinterpret what should be easy to understand statements, so in the future we should word important documents so that there can be no doubts about the intent. Thank god someone finally recognizes the right to civillian nuclear weapons and artillery scatterable nerve gas mines. |
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Posted: 10/20/2024 3:04:53 PM EST
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Even if we had space navies, rocks are still the best low cost weapon you got. spaceships are paper thin and we don't have shields yet. Any extra mass is going to cost big time. All you need is a bucket with a rocket motor and guidance. If you miss you might be able to recover the launcher.
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