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Posted: 10/24/2024 5:49:54 PM EST
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Posted: 10/24/2024 7:06:23 PM EST
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about 3mins from static fire
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Posted: 10/24/2024 7:12:46 PM EST
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Posted: 10/24/2024 7:26:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
Yikes. Kennedy said something similar and didn't live to see it come true. |
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Posted: 10/24/2024 8:05:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
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Posted: 10/24/2024 8:11:46 PM EST
[Last Edit: RhinelandArms]
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WOW, it will probably be at least another 10 years before NASA lights off another SLS. Its just a no contest, why even bother at this point.
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Posted: 10/24/2024 8:16:23 PM EST
[Last Edit: Hesperus]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RhinelandArms: WOW, it will probably be at least another 10 years before NASA lights off another SLS. Its just a no contest, why even bother at this point. Because political inertia. Because SLS is a megaproject and megaprojects demand hundreds, sometimes thousands of contracts and obligations and because NASA has at least one SLS core sitting around Cape Canaveral and it would be impractical to hang a for sale sign on it.  The Mega Moon Rocket of Madness |
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Posted: 10/24/2024 8:32:46 PM EST
[Last Edit: Kanin]
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Sorry....I realize this is Space X thread. |
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Posted: 10/24/2024 8:37:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kanin: It's in the VAB. I got to see it last week. Up close. Couldn't take pics along the side, because they had the covers open. They also had the tarp off the top and I could see the tank. The VAB certainly is an impressive building seen from the inside. 😀 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/415722/1000023788_jpg-3358025.JPG Mobile Launch Platform https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/415722/1000023727_jpg-3358027.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/415722/1000023728_jpg-3358030.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/415722/1000023726_jpg-3358031.JPG Got to see inside the Launch Control Center too. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/415722/1000023737_jpg-3358026.JPG Sorry....I realize this is Space X thread. Very cool, I'm glad you posted if only because the plan for Artemis is for SLS and Starship to work together to at least some degree. If memory serves Falcon Heavy is supposed to launch Lunar Gateway, Starship does the landing and SLS gets the astronauts out to the gateway. |
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Posted: 10/24/2024 9:03:47 PM EST
[Last Edit: Cobalt135]
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Was browsing NSF video post flight 5. Caught this bit about the hot stage ring. Someones cameras captured the splashdown about 6.5 miles from shore.
 Hot stage ring That was a clip I captured from NSF full video here at the 5:30 mark in the vid.:  Flight 6 Preps Underway | Starbase Update |
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Posted: 10/24/2024 10:08:04 PM EST
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It would seem they could have 4 to 5 booster/ship launches worth of engines in storage (150 or so) Raptor 2's.
And that was almost 3 months ago according to some Ringwatcher photos of completed engines(pictured below). Many of the engines on this latest flight 5 seemed to be serial numbers in the 400's, and they are in the upper 500's now. 2 years ago they were producing 1 raptor a day off the line. As we seen they were doing a shit ton of relights and endurance testing on the Raptor2's at McGregor a few days ago. We know the R3's are in testing as well from some leaked photos, but SpaceX is still pouring a lot of time into the 2's during the booster/ship testing. Interesting thing with SpaceX is they just do things because they can. Nobody on the outside sees any reason to relight a R2 30+ times in an hour, but they just did this week. They won't ever do a mission that requres it on R2's?. And when you look at R3 engines, it is hard to imagine there is much, if anything that they could carry over by doing this. The design of R3 is so clean and different. Hell, they would just beat the shit out of a R3 if that is what they wanted right now. I'm sure it is in the plans anyway.  Always exciting remembering back to the videos people got from McGregor about 2 or 3 years ago of numerous Raptor tests with the green plume developing on many tests and an occasional engine RUD. A tell tale sign that the engine was burning itself up and failing. They were destroying engines to build them better, and obviously did just that. How far they have come, in every aspect of engineering/design/build of all the components of Starship. Even booster 4 to booster 5 that they just caught had huge visual exterior differences and design changes within a matter of months.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/24/2024 10:49:32 PM EST
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Posted: 10/24/2024 10:58:37 PM EST
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So, as Chokey linked, Booster 13 is at the pad static firing less than 2 weeks from IFT 5. Good sign that the pad is in good shape after launch and landing and is reuseable with minimal (days) of refurb.
Ship 31 is likely next for launch on flight 6 and is having it's heat shield reworked I assume to match something close to ship 30 that just launched on booster 12. (tile gap fillers and blankets underneath tiles) I think ship 31 has had all of it cryo testing done and is otherwise ready for flight on the currently testing booster 13 after these heat shield upgrades. I could see the next flight by Christmas at the speed they progress. Ship 32 was a v1 design and seems it will not fly. I don't think this would be the first time a ship design was skipped for a newer design. Ship 33 is the 1st new v2 starship and it looks like it is complete unless they decide to upgade something but will be used on booster 14 that is stacked in the high bay already. Ship 33 v2 peek during the last launch coverage.... If I remember correctly V2 ships will have the flaps positoned back closer to the top of the ship during re-entry to reduce the heating they are subjected to and hopefully prevent burn thru as we seen during the last 2 launches. And witnessed by the bouy footage the v1 ship landed on target with flap damage, so the v2 should be a marked improvement.  Attached FileAnd last, Ship 34 is already under construction. The 2nd v2 design, is being built with a payload dispenser visible (enlongated oval door) at the lower part of this image and is being moved around on site to stack with other ship sections.....  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/25/2024 5:11:07 AM EST
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Posted: 10/25/2024 10:27:21 AM EST
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Posted: 10/25/2024 11:15:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cobalt135: So, as Chokey linked, Booster 13 is at the pad static firing less than 2 weeks from IFT 5. Good sign that the pad is in good shape after launch and landing and is reuseable with minimal (days) of refurb. Ship 31 is likely next for launch on flight 6 and is having it's heat shield reworked I assume to match something close to ship 30 that just launched on booster 12. (tile gap fillers and blankets underneath tiles) I think ship 31 has had all of it cryo testing done and is otherwise ready for flight on the currently testing booster 13 after these heat shield upgrades. I could see the next flight by Christmas at the speed they progress. Ship 32 was a v1 design and seems it will not fly. I don't think this would be the first time a ship design was skipped for a newer design. Ship 33 is the 1st new v2 starship and it looks like it is complete unless they decide to upgade something but will be used on booster 14 that is stacked in the high bay already. Ship 33 v2 peek during the last launch coverage.... If I remember correctly V2 ships will have the flaps positoned back closer to the top of the ship during re-entry to reduce the heating they are subjected to and hopefully prevent burn thru as we seen during the last 2 launches. And witnessed by the bouy footage the v1 ship landed on target with flap damage, so the v2 should be a marked improvement. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/164047/Screenshot_2024-10-24_233328_jpg-3358128.JPG And last, Ship 34 is already under construction. The 2nd v2 design, is being built with a payload dispenser visible (enlongated oval door) at the lower part of this image and is being moved around on site to stack with other ship sections..... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/164047/Screenshot_2024-10-24_235231_jpg-3358156.JPG Nick |
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Posted: 10/25/2024 11:34:30 AM EST
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WAI has a predicted launch date of Nov 11th. So help me I'm going to see this one in person. i'm already mentally preparing the family. It's a 6.5 hour drive to S. Padre but seeing this thing launch and land is on my bucket list for sure.
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Posted: 10/25/2024 11:36:12 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RinsableTick: WAI has a predicted launch date of Nov 11th. So help me I'm going to see this one in person. i'm already mentally preparing the family. It's a 6.5 hour drive to S. Padre but seeing this thing launch and land is on my bucket list for sure. Son of a gun, I want to go but again will be too far away taking care of something else. |
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Posted: 10/25/2024 3:54:26 PM EST
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I'll be looking for an opportunity to go next spring.
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Posted: 10/25/2024 5:42:47 PM EST
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Posted: 10/25/2024 7:54:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Commando_Guy: It hold up in closer shots as well-ship 33 appears to have some serious change in the appearance of the heatshield. Even close up it looks like a contiguous piece (it's not). Don't know if they have some kind of filler or an outer ablative cover? Nick Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Commando_Guy: Originally Posted By Cobalt135: So, as Chokey linked, Booster 13 is at the pad static firing less than 2 weeks from IFT 5. Good sign that the pad is in good shape after launch and landing and is reuseable with minimal (days) of refurb. Ship 31 is likely next for launch on flight 6 and is having it's heat shield reworked I assume to match something close to ship 30 that just launched on booster 12. (tile gap fillers and blankets underneath tiles) I think ship 31 has had all of it cryo testing done and is otherwise ready for flight on the currently testing booster 13 after these heat shield upgrades. I could see the next flight by Christmas at the speed they progress. Ship 32 was a v1 design and seems it will not fly. I don't think this would be the first time a ship design was skipped for a newer design. Ship 33 is the 1st new v2 starship and it looks like it is complete unless they decide to upgade something but will be used on booster 14 that is stacked in the high bay already. Ship 33 v2 peek during the last launch coverage.... If I remember correctly V2 ships will have the flaps positoned back closer to the top of the ship during re-entry to reduce the heating they are subjected to and hopefully prevent burn thru as we seen during the last 2 launches. And witnessed by the bouy footage the v1 ship landed on target with flap damage, so the v2 should be a marked improvement. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/164047/Screenshot_2024-10-24_233328_jpg-3358128.JPG And last, Ship 34 is already under construction. The 2nd v2 design, is being built with a payload dispenser visible (enlongated oval door) at the lower part of this image and is being moved around on site to stack with other ship sections..... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/164047/Screenshot_2024-10-24_235231_jpg-3358156.JPG Nick S33 could roll over to Massey site at any time for cryo testing. The photographers will be having a field day documenting everything on that ship. |
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Posted: 10/25/2024 8:09:05 PM EST
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Elon playing DiabloIV while on a conference call about Starship.
 They were about 1 second from aborting the booster catch.
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Posted: 10/25/2024 8:18:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: Elon playing DiabloIV while on a conference call about Starship. They were about 1 second from aborting the booster catch.
Sounds like the loss of that chine cover could have gone badly for the booster. |
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Posted: 10/25/2024 8:19:54 PM EST
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Posted: 10/25/2024 8:25:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: Elon playing DiabloIV while on a conference call about Starship. They were about 1 second from aborting the booster catch.
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Posted: 10/25/2024 8:42:38 PM EST
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My Flight 5 Mechazilla T-Shirt came in while I was out of town last week with work.
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Posted: 10/25/2024 10:22:07 PM EST
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Posted: 10/25/2024 10:23:52 PM EST
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Posted: 10/25/2024 10:54:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DarkGray: Sounds like the loss of that chine cover could have gone badly for the booster. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DarkGray: Originally Posted By Chokey: Elon playing DiabloIV while on a conference call about Starship. They were about 1 second from aborting the booster catch.
Sounds like the loss of that chine cover could have gone badly for the booster. That was an informative conversation, my take..... -Team would like to focus on booster risk reduction vs. extending ship on-orbit extension -Had a misconfigured STEM? (acronym, guessing software or control) that was one second from erroneously aborting a healthy booster from the catch attempt and crashing the booster near the tower to save it from damage. -Was scouring about 100 new abort critera that were not exactly trivial, but they thought the code was pretty based. In the days prior the team was considering delaying launch to look over things more. Admitted they likely would not even have found the error above that almost caused abort. -Had review meeting after getting flight data back going through the 100 abort criteria vs the flight data and what they need to change in the abort critera to allow more margin for the booster systems. -Portion of lower chine cover ripped and blew off right before landing burn. The spot welds were being questioned in some areas, specifically he states the 'margins'. Says it is being addressed. In my expierence with welding, that refers to the distance from the weld to the edge of the material. They could have had 2 issues they were looking at. A spot weld too close to the edge can cause distortion in the material like a ripple. This could catch air during flight putting pressure on the weld and skin. More likely was welds that were far enough from the edge to raise concern that even if the skin was not deformed air could lift the edges and have enough force to peel skin off. -Behind the area ripped off were valves and harnesses that had no backup and must function for the landing burn portion of flight. Luckily no damage. If Elon made a paywall X @Starshipmeetingstream account I would subscribe this minute  |
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Posted: 10/26/2024 5:37:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cobalt135: That was an informative conversation, my take..... -Team would like to focus on booster risk reduction vs. extending ship on-orbit extension -Had a misconfigured STEM? (acronym, guessing software or control) that was one second from erroneously aborting a healthy booster from the catch attempt and crashing the booster near the tower to save it from damage. -Was scouring about 100 new abort critera that were not exactly trivial, but they thought the code was pretty based. In the days prior the team was considering delaying launch to look over things more. Admitted they likely would not even have found the error above that almost caused abort. -Had review meeting after getting flight data back going through the 100 abort criteria vs the flight data and what they need to change in the abort critera to allow more margin for the booster systems. -Portion of lower chine cover ripped and blew off right before landing burn. The spot welds were being questioned in some areas, specifically he states the 'margins'. Says it is being addressed. In my expierence with welding, that refers to the distance from the weld to the edge of the material. They could have had 2 issues they were looking at. A spot weld too close to the edge can cause distortion in the material like a ripple. This could catch air during flight putting pressure on the weld and skin. More likely was welds that were far enough from the edge to raise concern that even if the skin was not deformed air could lift the edges and have enough force to peel skin off. -Behind the area ripped off were valves and harnesses that had no backup and must function for the landing burn portion of flight. Luckily no damage. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cobalt135: That was an informative conversation, my take..... -Team would like to focus on booster risk reduction vs. extending ship on-orbit extension -Had a misconfigured STEM? (acronym, guessing software or control) that was one second from erroneously aborting a healthy booster from the catch attempt and crashing the booster near the tower to save it from damage. -Was scouring about 100 new abort critera that were not exactly trivial, but they thought the code was pretty based. In the days prior the team was considering delaying launch to look over things more. Admitted they likely would not even have found the error above that almost caused abort. -Had review meeting after getting flight data back going through the 100 abort criteria vs the flight data and what they need to change in the abort critera to allow more margin for the booster systems. -Portion of lower chine cover ripped and blew off right before landing burn. The spot welds were being questioned in some areas, specifically he states the 'margins'. Says it is being addressed. In my expierence with welding, that refers to the distance from the weld to the edge of the material. They could have had 2 issues they were looking at. A spot weld too close to the edge can cause distortion in the material like a ripple. This could catch air during flight putting pressure on the weld and skin. More likely was welds that were far enough from the edge to raise concern that even if the skin was not deformed air could lift the edges and have enough force to peel skin off. -Behind the area ripped off were valves and harnesses that had no backup and must function for the landing burn portion of flight. Luckily no damage. Thanks for the summary. If Elon made a paywall X @Starshipmeetingstream account I would subscribe this minute Absolutely! At a minimum, I hope they release more snippets like this. 
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Posted: 10/26/2024 12:02:24 PM EST
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Posted: 10/26/2024 12:11:27 PM EST
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Posted: 10/26/2024 12:33:30 PM EST
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The old Mark 1 Starship sure didn't inspire confidence. But then it was always intended to be a mockup. Not something that was ever going to be shot into space.
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Posted: 10/26/2024 2:42:17 PM EST
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Posted: 10/26/2024 3:28:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/255381/IMG_6046_jpeg-3359435.JPG Were meant to fly Hands up And touch the sky |
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Posted: 10/26/2024 4:32:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/255381/IMG_6046_jpeg-3359435.JPG I saw that shirt at the gift shop at Kennedy Space Center last week. They had a bunch of Blue Origin, ULA, and Boeing shirts too. I liked that Spacex one the best. |
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Posted: 10/26/2024 5:49:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cobalt135: Ship 31 is likely next for launch on flight 6 and is having it's heat shield reworked I assume to match something close to ship 30 that just launched on booster 12. (tile gap fillers and blankets underneath tiles) I could see the next flight by Christmas at the speed they progress. Ship 32 was a v1 design and seems it will not fly. I don't think this would be the first time a ship design was skipped for a newer design. Ship 33 is the 1st new v2 starship and it looks like it is complete unless they decide to upgade something but will be used on booster 14 that is stacked in the high bay already. Ship 33 v2 peek during the last launch coverage.... If I remember correctly V2 ships will have the flaps positoned back closer to the top of the ship during re-entry to reduce the heating they are subjected to and hopefully prevent burn thru as we seen during the last 2 launches. And witnessed by the bouy footage the v1 ship landed on target with flap damage, so the v2 should be a marked improvement. And last, Ship 34 is already under construction. The 2nd v2 design, is being built with a payload dispenser visible (enlongated oval door) at the lower part of this image and is being moved around on site to stack with other ship sections..... Does anyone know if they will try for a full orbit, and for releasing an orbital payload, on any of these missions? From what you wrote here, 34 is the first possibility, but can 33 do it? |
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Posted: 10/26/2024 6:07:08 PM EST
[Last Edit: RattleCanAR]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kanin: I saw that shirt at the gift shop at Kennedy Space Center last week. They had a bunch of Blue Origin, ULA, and Boeing shirts too. I liked that Spacex one the best. Mine has Mechazilla on the back.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/26/2024 7:25:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Mine has Mechazilla on the back.https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/255381/IMG_6051_jpeg-3359635.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Originally Posted By Kanin: I saw that shirt at the gift shop at Kennedy Space Center last week. They had a bunch of Blue Origin, ULA, and Boeing shirts too. I liked that Spacex one the best. Mine has Mechazilla on the back.https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/255381/IMG_6051_jpeg-3359635.JPG Oohhh....I like that better. The KSC ones had Starship stacked on the Super Heavy Booster. |
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Posted: 10/26/2024 8:00:22 PM EST
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Today’s my birthday and my wife got me the SpaceX shirt that is just 33 white circles arranged in the same pattern as the engines on the Heavy Booster. Good wife.
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Posted: 10/27/2024 3:56:05 PM EST
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increment the crater count on Mars.
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Posted: 10/27/2024 4:16:13 PM EST
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Wonder at what point they send a small Starlink network to mars for coms and GPS.
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Posted: 10/27/2024 4:17:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NwG: Wonder at what point they send a small Starlink network to mars for coms and GPS. Who will be the first to shitpost on ARFCOM from mars? |
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Posted: 10/27/2024 4:19:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David0858:
I can't believe I just might live to see that.  I remember watching the Apollo missions as they happened and i'm way more excited now than I ever was then. |
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Posted: 10/27/2024 5:03:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NwG: Wonder at what point they send a small Starlink network to mars for coms and GPS. I bet they'll be on that first unmanned wave. |
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Posted: 10/27/2024 5:14:47 PM EST
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That's a tall order to pull that mission together in 2 years.
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Posted: 10/27/2024 5:16:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By atavistic: That's a tall order to pull that mission together in 2 years. |
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Posted: 10/27/2024 5:20:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NwG: Wonder at what point they send a small Starlink network to mars for coms and GPS. On Mars it’s called APS. |
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Posted: 10/27/2024 5:23:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By atavistic: That's a tall order to pull that mission together in 2 years. Get your ass to Mars! |
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Posted: 10/27/2024 6:01:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hadrian: That depends on the outcome of the election. With no regulatory interference, I have little doubt that they can do it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hadrian: Originally Posted By atavistic: That's a tall order to pull that mission together in 2 years. While a Trump win may reduce some of the regulatory hurdles, there is a lot of hardware they still have to develop. -There is a good chance they won't catch a ship for another 6 months which eats up almost a quarter of the time that have left until the Mars launch window. -Catching the booster was a huge step, but they still have to fix the heating issues on the outer ring of engines. -The v2 Ship still has to be validated and I wouldn't be surprised if it's heat shield needs refurbishment for several flights after they start catching them. -Raptor 3 engines will likely take at least one complete launch to validate (curious if they'll be forced to land in the water for the first flight). -The current tank farm cannot support more than once launch every few days and has to be scaled up significantly. -They have to build the tanker ship, perfect on orbit refueling procedures and successfully execute it ~12 times for every ship they want to send to Mars. That development can at least be done in parallel with their Artemis commitments. -The Mars lander ship is at best a hybrid of the Earth and lunar ship versions. I am convinced SpaceX can do every one of these, just much less convinced it will be done by Dec 2026. |
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