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@ Smashy
Notches in the shaft below the tangs of the point. Crisscrosses from the point tangs to notches on the opposite side of the shaft. As the sinew dries, the point is pulled tighter into the shaft's clevis. I'll try to remember to take some pics when I get home. (My piddling is noting like your fine work.) I have some theories about the evolution of base styles from clovis to woodland relating to hafting. |
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@ Smashy Notches in the shaft below the tangs of the point. Crisscrosses from the point tangs to notches on the opposite side of the shaft. As the sinew dries, the point is pulled tighter into the shaft's clevis. I'll try to remember to take some pics when I get home. (My piddling is noting like your fine work.) I have some theories about the evolution of base styles from clovis to woodland relating to hafting. View Quote |
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I'm jelly of your knapping skills. Very nice.
I'm barely past getting a rifle flint or small, triangle bird point knapped out. ![]() |
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This is a Lost Lake type I found that had tip damage and a snapped base. I resharpened the tip and formed the base in something like a Quad. I made it and some others for a Boy Scout Arrow of Flight ceremony. They thought I hung the moon: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/12140/20200122_155627-1244991.jpg This is a sketch I made for friends explaining a theory why the clovis was made the way it was--the purpose of fluting and why there was grinding far above the base. The grinding was so that the sinew wouldn't be cut by the blade as it dries and contracted: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/12140/20190308_110419-1244989.jpg IMO, hafting style further evolved into the later tanged styles like quads and lost lake that I suspect were hafted like the first pic shows. I suspect still later, Woodland period, stemmed points were just forced into a hole in a shaft. I suspect it was realized that a shot dart will either strike its target or not: and is likely to break whether it hits bone, or hits a tree, ground, rock, etc if the target is missed. i.e. Why go through all the trouble to haft with sinew and seal it if it's so likely to break? I suspect this not-hafting technology is what displaced archaic people from major rivers. BTW, I noticed the bases of woodland points I found in a particular place would have bases with widths within ~1mm of each other. A sort of standardization. Evidence of an advancement of weaponology perhaps. View Quote |
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I sure like finding points!!! Someday maybe I'll try and haft some. Nice!!!!!
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French/European model.
![]() Municion L.M.P. 1889: Paris Commune to Spanish Civil War |
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Cool stuff!
I always remember my cousins going arrowhead hunting. They had a huge collection. |
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Suddenly I really want an obsidian AR with all the chip marks.
I think it would look pretty neat with some hand carved wood furniture. ETA: Your work is nothing short of amazing, Smashy. Thanks for posting. |
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What is your pitch blend? Resin, fat and charcoal ? I have some we use on bark baskets and a canoe?
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What is your pitch blend? Resin, fat and charcoal ? I have some we use on bark baskets and a canoe? View Quote |
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lol
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Very interesting, thanks for posting.
How hard is it to break a spear point? It seems a spear like that would penetrate animal flesh easy unless it his a large bone. I met a guy a few years ago that made spear tips like that. |
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I shot a deer years ago with a stone point a buddy made and attached to an arrow for me. It penetrated the right side of his rib cage and stuck out about a foot thru the left side and broke off. The tip of the point had about 1/4” broken off. The ribs were broken/chipped on both sides. My buddy said he’d found original points that looked like they had been broken off and napped back to a useable point. It’s somewhere around if I can find it I’ll post a pic
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How hard is it to break a spear point? View Quote |
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My brother in FL is big into this. He makes some nice points but he hasn't really gotten into attaching them to handles and making knives and such.
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I nominate Smashy to be our weapons officer for WW IV. It will be a new green war with sustainable, eco-friendly non-polluting weaponry.
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How does the atlatl compare to a bow in the penetration department? I assume an atlatl dart is way heavier, but slower than a bow? View Quote A few years ago this guy took a 15 point buck, he said he got 11 inches of penetration. Obviously enough to do the job. ![]() A couple of years later this lady did well enough with one of her darts. ![]() ETA: George Frison killed an elephant with a large atlatl and dart. @makintrax73 |
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I don't have any rawhide. I tried to use some from a dog chew a while ago but it didn't turn out well. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Where do you get the rawhide? I want some for tomahawk projects. Edit, answered. |
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And I'm seeing too from your "experiments" that the stone point is not the valuable, hard to acquire part, it's the shaft. Whether an arrow(which would have to have a really straight, proper shaft) or a spear, the shaft is the hard part.
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And I'm seeing too from your "experiments" that the stone point is not the valuable, hard to acquire part, it's the shaft. Whether an arrow(which would have to have a really straight, proper shaft) or a spear, the shaft is the hard part. View Quote |
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I remember seeing this documentary on PBS or one of those type stations a few years ago. They found a bison skull with a stone point stuck in it, so apparently they penetrate bone pretty well. https://forums.arrowheads.com/media/kunena/attachments/835/disk_two_040-600x450.jpg https://i.pinimg.com/originals/75/aa/65/75aa6563a1a12b62f841d75a0282afc6.jpg View Quote ![]() |
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