Clayton is the area you seek.

For court, and then get out.

Traffic hell!!!!

There are nice places around St. Louis to live but let it be known that it is so FUCKING HOT there in the summer that I thought I was turning into a heat blister.

The west side of stl (including Fenton) is pretty nice.

If you want to move to St Louis, it sounds like you already have the crack addiction so it should be fine for you.

The only way to fix St. Louis is the same as Memphis.

New Madrid.

This thread proves that many here haven't visited the other eastern post industrial shit hole city's. STL is pretty much just like the rest of them. There are areas that are sketchy AF, and some areas that are very nice.

It's the humidity.

Come for a visit, we’ve got plenty of hills around Hot Springs.

2018 murder map from stltoday.com :

Wow. It's crazy how bad of a rep the 'East Side' (illinois east st louis metro area) has, but that map doesn't reflect that. Looks like all the bad stuff is really centered on the city proper itself, surprisingly so - surprised more of it isn't heavy in north city and surrounding county areas.

fenton is outside of St louis and a nice area, as is nearly all the sw suburbs,

AB brewery, take the tour
grants farm, take the tour
Baseball, best ever
forest Park, great zoo, muny opera, art hill in the winter snow
rock and roll half marathon in the fall
few people hang out anymore in downtown st louis, for the reasons already stated
it's a working person's town like most older cities
tons of places to eat, Italian food on the hill is outstanding
Ozarks, two and ahalf hours away from fenton

there's worse places for sure.

If you’re where I think you are, I wouldn’t mind living there.  A little way either way wouldn’t be too bad either.

I really liked growing up in southern Jeff county. Not too far to the city, not terribly far to MTNF. I wouldn’t mind living around Hillsboro, but there’s not a whole lot for me there work wise.

Panera Bread is called St. Louis bread there.

Oh really?

I live, work and socialize in the city.  How am I not a "real" resident?

drove through st louis once...glad it was the only time. if i had to move there for work...i'd quit my job. first, i wouldn't move anywhere for any job. second, i definitely wouldn't move to st louis.

we considered moving there and mostly looked in chesterfield and wildwood. lots of nice places in a rural setting. great school systems around, too, if you need that.

I'd like to visit the Museum of Transportation in St. Louis, but have no idea what the area is like.

That's out in the county, West of 270 on Dougherty Ferry Rd. It's fine to visit, and I always enjoyed it.

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Thank you!

After living all over the country, I've learned that it is better to find places that charge admissions fees. It's like a modest tax that you pay to not have to have your kids around rich and vibrant fuckfaces like this one: https://www.foxnews.com/us/boy-thrown-mall-of-america-returns-home-from-hospital-landen-hoffman

I live in West St Louis County and it is very nice.  I go to a lot of Cardinals and Blues games every year and never so much an issue.  There are a lot of nice bars and restaurants around Busch stadium I've been to and never felt unsafe.  The mainstream areas of downtown STL are nice and 99.9% of the time you will never have any problems.  Just like anywhere use your common fucking sense.   There are areas of St Louis City you do not go like North city.

You're welcome.

I wish I could find my pics, and show you some of them. They may be part of what disappeared, the last time a storm fried my computer. If I find them soon, I'll post a few in here.

There's always so much ignorance in St. Louis threads.

Tons of things to do including free things.

St. Louis city and St. Louis county are two different things, but effectively its all St. Louis, no need to be an absolutist shitstain about it.

Lots of major sports teams and breweries.

If you're into the arts there's a lot of wonderful museums.

The Fox, The Muny, Powell Hall, etc. for performing arts that are awesome and treasures to go to.

Basically if you avoid the bad areas you won't get shot and you can have a great time.

I don't miss the humidity and weather, but great spring and fall.

Columbia, Illinois is a nice place to live.

Monroe County is the safest county in the metro region.

The rest of Illinois just sucks.

I used to be based in STL. Let me put it this way. I have been in two race riots. The LA riots and Ferguson riots. If you want to know if it’s a good area look at your skin. If it matches the people next to you your ok. If it dosent you need to GTFO.

Seriously Detroit was nicer than STL. Friendlier also. There’s only two bigger shitholes I have been too. Flint and Newark.

I have also been to a few cities in South America like Leon, Quito, and a few others. I’ll take them any day over STL.

Fenton is a reasonably nice area.

West County / St Charles is upscale and nice.  Jefferson County, south of STL county, is nice but more ordinary middle class.

The bad spots are Carondelet off I-55 near the brewery and of course Ferguson and Florissant.  Ferguson and Florissant are in the northern and eastern parts, next to the airport.  If you go to either of those two, good chance you won't come back.

East St Louis is a Mad Max style hellscape.  You have no reason to go there, ever, unless you prefer being dead.

Clayton and Forest Park are OK, but some of that borders some bad stuff.  Downtown is fine during the day.  It is not fine at night, especially along the southern portions.  Night time downtown is ok if you are going to or leaving a Blues or Cardinals game because the police will be all over it but, other than that, don't go wandering downtown after dark.

In general, as far as avoiding bad spots in the city, one thing to remember about STL is that geographically it's relatively compact.  You can go from Good or OK to Shitstorm very rapidly if you're not paying attention.  Like any city, STL has good places and bad places.  I'd be fine living in any of the good areas.  The bad areas in STL are, however, fairly exceptionally bad.

I-270 is practically impassable during rush.  The people in the city are reasonably friendly except when driving, where they become demon possessed.  Driving habits are highly aggressive.  Horns will be used a lot, and many don't bother looking on the 6 and 8 lane freeways before taking a lane to see if someone two lanes over is about to take the same lane.  Head on a swivel while driving.

If you have to fly into or out of Lambert Field, try to fly Southwest.  They operate out of the second terminal which is quite small and much nicer to pass through than Terminal 1, which is a typical large international airport type affair.

Cool stuff: Anheuser-Busch, Cardinals, Blues, the Muni (if you like music).  The Zoo is free admission.  The Art Museum is free admission as well, and is my favorite thing the city has.  Most people talk about the zoo, which is pretty good, but I favor the art museum.  Plenty of shopping for the lady.  A healthy selection of gun shops, including several NFA dealers and some professional training outfits as well.

If my job transferred me to STL I'd have no issue with it.  Like any town, rent or buy in a nice area, don't hang out with criminals, and you'll have no issues.

There is no such thing as a nice place to live in IL.  Since property taxes are higher than many people's mortgages at this point.

Clayton is a shit hole.

lul Fenton nice? If you prefer to live with methy next door... Sure... May as well move into a trailer in House Springs....

Missouri is an example of what motivated conservatives can do.  This used to be a purple state that could go either way.  Now it's typical for conservatives to win on the presidential ticket pretty significantly.  The state level deregulation of NFA goodies is relatively recent (within the past 20 years) and we also have statutory permitless carry for residents now.  About the only NFA stuff that isn't good to go is DDs, last I checked.

You just loved it for the brewery

I hate the STL metro area.  I would never work there.

Ferguson area is pretty nice.

Lol’d

Population density. More people available for murdering in St. Louis, MO city vs East St. Louis, IL.

Also consider, the people in East St. Louis, IL have far fewer police to contend with and that gives them more time to to un-ass the scene before LE arrives, more time to dispose of a dead body and far more places to toss out the trash. And fewer witnesses. Lots of dirt deeds done in ESL that never make the news.

There are probably more street lights in six square blocks of north city St. Louis than the entire city of East St. Louis, IL. It's like someone turned out the lights when you cross the Mississippi driving east.

There's also a lot of business done in St. Louis, MO that the citizens of East St. Louis would rather not do in their neighborhood ...

Lived in south city for 20 years. Lived in the county near Lambert Field for 17 years before moving into the city. Recently moved far south and west to rural hills. Know all 12 of the neighbors and all their kids. Very quiet area. Nearest neighbor is about a 1/2 acre away. Closer than we wanted but there's a solid 50 foot wide line of heavy brush and timber between us so we don't really 'see' them without actually leaving our property. And that's pretty much the surrounding 10 square miles.

They do have good pizza there. If you like thin crust.

Warrenton? Wright City?

 It's in Kirkwood, great place to live and grow up, I've been to the MOT dozens of times, way cool if you like old trains for sure.

I would like to know more.

Been in MO for 34 yrs.  ill take kc please.  Stl is ok,  but the people there strike me as wannabe east coasters.

Lots of 10mm fail posted here

Use this map. I tell everyone that asks,  yes, st. Louis IS as bad as you hear on the news.
But, the city is small, and the surrounding areas are good, very diverse, you'll still have some research to do.
Aside from KC and St. Louis, the rest of the state is beautiful, and  mostly conservative.
Good luck!

I've heard that KC the the most eastern western city, and STL is the most western eastern city.

Seems pretty accurate IMO.

If you lived near Fenton . . . or perhaps a bit southwest of there . . . you could be on the water in two hours and have a great day or weekend.

https://www.missouricanoe.org/

That's pretty awesome.

Aot of car cloutings, robberies and a few home invasions  in clayton... and the residents by and large are total assholes...