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Posted: 11/4/2024 8:28:21 PM EST
I'm looking to upgrade my 02 F150, partly because 13 mpg is getting old.
My price range lands me in 2017+ F150, Ram 1500 territory. I'm not worried about towing, so a 2.7 or a 3.6 Penta gets me what I need. I hear and read both good and bad about the 2.7, and especially the 3.5 eb, with their cam phaser issues. What's the reality? Experiences? |
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Posted: 11/4/2024 8:33:19 PM EST
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The gen II 3.5 EB id a solid motor, the 2.7 is even better...although not as peppy/powerful as the 3.5 EB
Coming from a 2002, both will feel like rocket ships. As a non-towing truck the 2.7 EB is a great choice. |
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Posted: 11/4/2024 8:45:46 PM EST
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Love mine. 3.5
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SC, USA
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Posted: 11/4/2024 8:46:42 PM EST
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Very happy with my 2016 f150 2.7
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IL, USA
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Posted: 11/4/2024 8:47:34 PM EST
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I have a 2.7. Ecoboost is a misnomer. You can have eco OR boost. Not both. Its a great plant but economy will depend on your inputs.
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Posted: 11/4/2024 8:50:11 PM EST
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We had a 2020 2.7 EB and currently have a 24 2.7 EB
Lifetime average is 20 mpg. Wife driving it goes down I drive it goes up a bit. Best we ever saw was 23 |
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Posted: 11/4/2024 8:53:07 PM EST
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My dad has owned a few ecoboost trucks and they've been fine.
Wife has an ecoboost 3.5 but it's in a car so it's slightly different. It's been mostly fine though. I have researched this a lot and one video showed the host interview a bunch of mechanics at Ford dealerships and all but one said they'd pick the 5.0 for reliability and power. The 5.0 is not as torquey as the 3.5, but it's a simpler engine and they seem to be the most reliable. I'm personally holding out for a 5.0, but I want a 2015+ crew cab with a 6.5 bed. I'll probably really try to find one this Spring. |
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Posted: 11/4/2024 9:00:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By D00m: I have a 2.7. Ecoboost is a misnomer. You can have eco OR boost. Not both. Its a great plant but economy will depend on your inputs. that's true, but I would bet the average guy with mixed driving gets 18-20 MPG with a 2.7, and 17-19 with the 3.5. Obviously, a fuel conscious person or lot's of highway miles will reflect better. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/4/2024 9:04:16 PM EST
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How's the eb do for longevity?
Most trucks I'm looking at are in the 70k miles or higher range. Am I going to be able to get a lot more out of them or do I need to stretch the budget more? |
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Posted: 11/4/2024 9:23:30 PM EST
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My Son in Laws 2014 with 127K on it has been at the Ford house for 9 weeks now. It got hot on him one day and he found oil in the water. The Ford house has done nothing but stonewall, lie, and fart and fall down since. First it was the intercooler, then possibly a head gasket, then a cracked head, then maybe a cracked block, on and on and on. They have quoted him $3500, 6000, 7700, and 9900 for repairs and then $11,000 for a new motor.
 The Eco-boost may be a good motor but don't expect Ford to stand behind it if something goes wrong. |
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Posted: 11/4/2024 9:31:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Moleonlobby: How's the eb do for longevity? Most trucks I'm looking at are in the 70k miles or higher range. Am I going to be able to get a lot more out of them or do I need to stretch the budget more? There is a simple way to judge longevity of any car or truck, independent of all the one-off data points you'll get in a thread like this. Go to Autotrader, and search for the vehicle with the specific powertrain you're looking at nationwide with the miles set to >200,000. Last time I looked, there were 63 F150 2.7 EBs on there, highest one was >600k miles. Bear in mind that the 2.7 is the newer of the EB engines, so owners have not had as much time to roll up miles on them as they have on 3.5s and 5.0s. Do that search occasionally over the course of a few months and you start to build a picture of long term reliability. As for miles and budget, honestly for any used car of any brand I would try to start out under 50k. Just gives you more headroom, less time/miles for the PO to have screwed something up. |
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Posted: 11/4/2024 9:31:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Moleonlobby: How's the eb do for longevity? Most trucks I'm looking at are in the 70k miles or higher range. Am I going to be able to get a lot more out of them or do I need to stretch the budget more? the 2.7 Seems to have alot of stories of high milage engines, if you do your part....keep em cool, change the oil, etc... |
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Posted: 11/4/2024 9:36:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jmo371: that's true, but I would bet the average guy with mixed driving gets 18-20 MPG with a 2.7, and 17-19 with the 3.5. Obviously, a fuel conscious person or lot's of highway miles will reflect better. I think what a lot of people miss is gearing and aftermarket wheels/tires. Get an EB with 3:31 or numerically lower gear, and you will get good mpg out of it if you keep your foot out of it. Get one with 3.55 or higher numerically, and you're going to get bad MPG. All EB V6 engines like to be held below 2200-2500 rpm for best MPG, which is easy to do. No truck OEM does separate fuel economy ratings for each gear set, and the higher numerical gears will take you right past those RPMs. They're allowed to pick the best gear set and run with it for the numbers on the Munroney sticker. Mess up your effective gear with big ol' tars, and that will drop MPG too. |
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Posted: 11/4/2024 9:59:38 PM EST
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Neighbor had problems twice with his 3.5. He went to the F-350.
If you’re not towing, you should be fine with the 2.7. The 3.5 is a better performer, but has the wear and tear that the Coyote shrugs off. |
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Posted: 11/4/2024 10:16:06 PM EST
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2.7 L V6 bi-turbo is solid
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/4/2024 10:26:17 PM EST
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As a dodge owner, for the love of all that is holy don’t buy a dodge especially with the 3.6
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OK, USA
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Posted: 11/4/2024 10:31:41 PM EST
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HARD pass on all Eco-boost.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 11/4/2024 10:47:24 PM EST
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My 5.0 had 3.73 gears, 33" tires, and I averaged about 17 mpg with a fair amount of idle time, hilly roads, and a lead foot. Sold it with 201k on the clock
If I had to pick between the Ecoboosts it would be the 2.7 |
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Posted: 11/5/2024 12:49:30 AM EST
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Hope you have $7K to replace the turbos(with better ones) when they go out.
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Posted: 11/5/2024 12:52:29 AM EST
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Have owned 10 or so 3.5 ecos. Great motors no issues other than cam phaser rattle on one of my raptors.
Have a 17 2.7 eco in the fleet at 80k miles and no issues. Just traded it out for a 3.5 eco proactively. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 11/5/2024 11:26:22 AM EST
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I have a '24 3.5EB, 14k miles no issues
My dad has a '20 3.5EB, 70k miles with no issues Friend has a '22 2.7EB, 40k miles with no issues I sold my 2012 Tundra 5.7 to buy the '24 Ford. Honestly, if I were buying a used truck today, it would only be a Tundra 5.7. |
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Posted: 11/5/2024 11:51:25 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Moleonlobby: I'm looking to upgrade my 02 F150, partly because 13 mpg is getting old. My price range lands me in 2017+ F150, Ram 1500 territory. I'm not worried about towing, so a 2.7 or a 3.6 Penta gets me what I need. I hear and read both good and bad about the 2.7, and especially the 3.5 eb, with their cam phaser issues. What's the reality? Experiences? The newest 3.5EB is a great machine. I had a 2013 and had cam phaser issues. The cam phaser thing is very evident when it's starting, and they can do it in a couple days, and it usually happens within the warranty period. Then, around 60K miles, the #2 piston decided to frag its "skirt" which necessitated a full engine replacement. It was probably my fault. I ran a 5Star tuning 93 Perf tune on it since it was practically new. I had an extended warranty, and it was covered for a $100 deductible. I got 13-16MPG, but I had nearly 35" tires on it, with a Bilstein leveling shocks up front, and the 3.73 gears. My dad's 2012 with the 3.31 or 3.55 gets 16mpg with me driving the same way I drove mine. He never had the cam phaser issues, and it's still running great. The 3.5EB is probably the best light truck motor out there. I don't like the lifter issues my mom's Tahoe had from the variable displacement thing they have..... |
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Posted: 11/5/2024 11:52:02 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Furyataurus: Hope you have $7K to replace the turbos(with better ones) when they go out. 
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Posted: 11/5/2024 11:52:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gopher: My Son in Laws 2014 with 127K on it has been at the Ford house for 9 weeks now. It got hot on him one day and he found oil in the water. The Ford house has done nothing but stonewall, lie, and fart and fall down since. First it was the intercooler, then possibly a head gasket, then a cracked head, then maybe a cracked block, on and on and on. They have quoted him $3500, 6000, 7700, and 9900 for repairs and then $11,000 for a new motor. The Eco-boost may be a good motor but don't expect Ford to stand behind it if something goes wrong. So one ford dealer speaks for all of them? I gaurantee there is more to this story.Meanwhile my dealership got ford to pay for all but $500 of a motor repair on a 64,000 mile(out of powertrain warranty) job. To answer OPs question there are tons of ecoboost motors of all flavors out there with well over 100k miles. and bunches with 150-200k. The 2.7 has been proven to be a super reliable engine. |
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Posted: 11/5/2024 11:53:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MarkBinSC: Very happy with my 2016 f150 2.7 Me too |
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Posted: 11/5/2024 11:55:11 AM EST
[Last Edit: midmo]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ColtRifle: Love mine. 3.5 +1. '14 F150 160K |
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Posted: 11/5/2024 12:16:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midmo: +1. '14 F150 160K Mine is a 2014 also. 140k now. Keep up on oil changes. I change between 5k-6.5k. Turbos are hard on oil. Otherwise, great engine. |
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Posted: 11/5/2024 12:32:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Crash1433: So one ford dealer speaks for all of them? I gaurantee there is more to this story.Meanwhile my dealership got ford to pay for all but $500 of a motor repair on a 64,000 mile(out of powertrain warranty) job. To answer OPs question there are tons of ecoboost motors of all flavors out there with well over 100k miles. and bunches with 150-200k. The 2.7 has been proven to be a super reliable engine. At least here in North Texas, this seems to be a rather common occurrence. It's almost as if Ford doesn't want to stand behind their products. YMMV |
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Posted: 11/5/2024 12:39:56 PM EST
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They get real tiny really fast in my rear view mirror for some reason
 Attached FileEcoboosts are decent engines. In all seriousness. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 11/5/2024 12:43:40 PM EST
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My cam phasers shit the bed at 90k in mine. Other then that no issues.
It turned into this 
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WA, USA
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Posted: 11/5/2024 12:44:23 PM EST
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Avoid all the 4 banger ecoboosts in the non-trucks. Especially the 2.0s from 2016-2018 or whenever it was with all the bad blocks. Both truck ones are solid, especially 2018+ imo.
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Posted: 11/5/2024 12:56:03 PM EST
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I have a 2016 f-150 with the 2.7 ecoboost for my company ride. It’s been pretty much problem free for 150,000 miles with not much more than normal maintenance. I would definitely buy one.
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Posted: 11/5/2024 1:16:30 PM EST
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Turbos are for diesels. Gas engines not designed for it, operators don't understand cool downs either.
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Posted: 11/5/2024 1:23:55 PM EST
[Last Edit: TxRabbitBane]
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I’ve had 3 ecoboosts, all 3.5 F-150s, and have never had a cam phaser issue. My last one had almost 300K on it. Current two are at about 125K and 65K, respectively
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Posted: 11/5/2024 1:36:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MrZeat: Avoid all the 4 banger ecoboosts in the non-trucks. Especially the 2.0s from 2016-2018 or whenever it was with all the bad blocks. Both truck ones are solid, especially 2018+ imo. Literally all of them have been swapped out under a recall. It was a focus RS thing bc they had the wrong head gaskets. It amazes me sometimes the amount of bad/outdated info members here give out sometimes. |
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Posted: 11/5/2024 1:37:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dirtyboy: Turbos are for diesels. Gas engines not designed for it, operators don't understand cool downs either. Diesel turbos are designed for diesels. Gas turbos don't really need cool downs as they are oil cooled and built for their application. |
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Posted: 11/5/2024 1:40:09 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Moleonlobby: I'm looking to upgrade my 02 F150, partly because 13 mpg is getting old. My price range lands me in 2017+ F150, Ram 1500 territory. I'm not worried about towing, so a 2.7 or a 3.6 Penta gets me what I need. I hear and read both good and bad about the 2.7, and especially the 3.5 eb, with their cam phaser issues. What's the reality? Experiences? I had a 2017 F150 2.7 and put 100k on it with zero issues. I loved it. I traded it for a 2023 F150 2.7 |
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Posted: 11/5/2024 1:53:52 PM EST
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Get a Power stroke. Best engine ford put in the F-150. 30 mpg highway at 70.
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/5/2024 5:45:05 PM EST
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My '13 developed the chain rattle, and leaky turbo fittings at around the 60K mark. I got rid of it.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/6/2024 2:46:16 AM EST
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Well, interesting you ask. I have a 01 5.4, a 2013 gen 1 3.5, and a gen 2.5 3.5.
The 3.5 will absolutely feel like a world different from your 5.4. The 2.7, I haven't driven, but will absolutely feel diff from your 5.4. I change the oil every 5k with full synthetic. Gets around the soot issue in the cam phasers. No major engine issues. Leaking vacuum pump and now a leaking turbo coolant line at 165k miles. No issues with the 2023 so far. Drive one and you'll know if you like it or not. Having 90% of your tq at 2k rpm is pretty fun. The 2013 with the 6 spd gets 14-16 mpg mostly highway driving. The 2023 with the 10 spd gets 18-21 mpg mostly highway driving. You'd prolly really like the 5.0 as well. |
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Posted: 11/6/2024 10:05:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dirtyboy: Turbos are for diesels. Gas engines not designed for it, operators don't understand cool downs either. The 2.7 and 3.5 EcoBoost were literally designed from the start to have turbos. They also have passive cooling after shutdown with coolant in addition to standard oil cooling. I traded my '13 3.5 in with 193k miles, no cam phaser issues, or turbo issues. 5k-7.5k full synthetic oil changes. Moved to and from Alaska pulling a trailer with it too.  My '23 is a 3.5L as well. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/6/2024 2:19:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jasoncar40: The 2.7 and 3.5 EcoBoost were literally designed from the start to have turbos. They also have passive cooling after shutdown with coolant in addition to standard oil cooling. I traded my '13 3.5 in with 193k miles, no cam phaser issues, or turbo issues. 5k-7.5k full synthetic oil changes. Moved to and from Alaska pulling a trailer with it too. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91056/83C55FF2-BC37-46D5-83FC-62526D89DBEF-397784.jpg My '23 is a 3.5L as well. From reading these posts on the Ford engines. I came up with the summary that the 2.7 and 3.5 must be their best engines. You beat me to it. |
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Posted: 11/6/2024 2:27:46 PM EST
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The current ones are excellent, but you should buy new.
Buy an old one, and you’re buying someone else’s problems. You have no real way to know how it was treated. Lots of discounts going on right now. Let’s say it costs you an extra $10k. That money isn’t lost, because the residual trade in value will be higher, plus, lower operating cost, plus more confidence, less aggravation. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 11/6/2024 4:57:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By VVinci: There is a simple way to judge longevity of any car or truck, independent of all the one-off data points you'll get in a thread like this. Go to Autotrader, and search for the vehicle with the specific powertrain you're looking at nationwide with the miles set to >200,000. Last time I looked, there were 63 F150 2.7 EBs on there, highest one was >600k miles. Bear in mind that the 2.7 is the newer of the EB engines, so owners have not had as much time to roll up miles on them as they have on 3.5s and 5.0s. Do that search occasionally over the course of a few months and you start to build a picture of long term reliability. As for miles and budget, honestly for any used car of any brand I would try to start out under 50k. Just gives you more headroom, less time/miles for the PO to have screwed something up. 2017 was the first year for the gen 2 3.5 ecoboost and the 10 speed transmissions. They share basically nothing with the previous generation. |
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Posted: 11/6/2024 5:00:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By callmestick: Get a Power stroke. Best engine ford put in the F-150. 30 mpg highway at 70. Unless you want to actually tow something. |
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