That Every Man Be Armed 2.0 (Page 5 of 11)
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Originally Posted By Romano316: For the ARF hall monitors, this was cleared through Striker and Aimless beforehand. I sold something in the EE to fund a build in this thread. I won’t link to the specific EE post, but it was a SCO-15 lower receiver that I got as part of the BOGO and pledged 100% of the proceeds to the build for Tarheel’s daughter. Anyway, on its way to Tarheel: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/487147/0B19B421-DFFC-48A8-89C5-59DC04CEFEBA_jpe-2177540.JPG Let’s get a few more builds done in 2021. @Belial Thanks so much. I appreciate it. I'll see about picking up a bcg for her and charging handle and she will be able to shoot. |
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Originally Posted By Romano316: For the ARF hall monitors, this was cleared through Striker and Aimless beforehand. I sold something in the EE to fund a build in this thread. I won’t link to the specific EE post, but it was a SCO-15 lower receiver that I got as part of the BOGO and pledged 100% of the proceeds to the build for Tarheel’s daughter. Anyway, on its way to Tarheel: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/487147/0B19B421-DFFC-48A8-89C5-59DC04CEFEBA_jpe-2177540.JPG Let’s get a few more builds done in 2021. @Belial I saw that ad and that's what got me to this thread. Hell of a thing to do, sir! 
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Got the upper in. I'll post pics in a few min.Attached File I have a green bcm grip ordered for it and I need a bcg. But thanks so much to @romano316 for the upper and the stock and everyone else that helped. @MoarCoffee i got the charging handle today. thankyiu very much. |
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Originally Posted By tarheel7734: Got the upper in. I'll post pics in a few min.https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/380981/20211130_135253_jpg-2186993.JPG I have a green bcm grip ordered for it and I need a bcg. But thanks so much to @romano316 for the upper and the stock and everyone else that helped. @MoarCoffee i got the charging handle today. thankyiu very much. |
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I took this off my rifle, because I wasn't happy with the green dot. I asked my son what I should do with it, and he sighed, "You're just going to give it way, like always." Well, gee, what a great idea! So, for a first time builder, or who's building a rifle for a first time owner, here you go. Used, but not too badly, and with the original box and all. Claimed! Attached File Call it a late Christmas present, maybe? Attached File |
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Originally Posted By armoredman: I took this off my rifle, because I wasn't happy with the green dot. I asked my son what I should do with it, and he sighed, "You're just going to give it way, like always." Well, gee, what a great idea! So, for a first time builder, or who's building a rifle for a first time owner, here you go. Used, but not too badly, and with the original box and all. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/360589/SIG_1_jpg-2244616.JPG Call it a late Christmas present, maybe? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/360589/SIG_2_jpg-2244617.JPG That's awesome of you and will be amazing for a first time gun owner or builder. Update on daughters rifle. Got bcg installed,new grip and she got to see it for Christmas. She loves it. We are still planning on putting a mi rail on it and I found a foliage magpul vfg for her once rail is installed. Attached File |
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@armoredman The MSR showed up today. She absolutely loves her rifle. I truly appreciate everyone's help building it. It's something she will truly cherish and something that will bring us closer after I missed most of her life due to my military service. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By tarheel7734: @armoredman The MSR showed up today. She absolutely loves her rifle. I truly appreciate everyone's help building it. It's something she will truly cherish and something that will bring us closer after I missed most of her life due to my military service. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/380981/20220207_122513_jpg-2270382.JPG That looks awesome! I love this place! |
| I am working on a build for a neighbor. He’s a vet and disabled and can’t afford to buy or build. So far I have buffer tube, castle nut and plate, lower parts including stock, grip and lpk. Also have a charging handle If anyone can help me out I’d appreciate it. |
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Originally Posted By Brackeen22: I am working on a build for a neighbor. He’s a vet and disabled and can’t afford to buy or build. So far I have buffer tube, castle nut and plate, lower parts including stock, grip and lpk. Also have a charging handle If anyone can help me out I’d appreciate it. I have a BCA freebie 16 hbar non threaded barrel I can send out. Its their match barrel ( so they say ), heavy under the hand guard, carbine gas if I remember target non threaded muzzle. @Brackeen22 Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Brackeen22: I am working on a build for a neighbor. He's a vet and disabled and can't afford to buy or build. So far I have buffer tube, castle nut and plate, lower parts including stock, grip and lpk. Also have a charging handle If anyone can help me out I'd appreciate it. @Iam4 what size gas block does that barrel take? 3/4"? If so I have one I can send. |
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Originally Posted By IAm4: I have a BCA freebie 16 hbar non threaded barrel I can send out. Its their match barrel ( so they say ), heavy under the hand guard, carbine gas if I remember target non threaded muzzle. @Brackeen22 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/497353/PXL_20220210_033140533_jpg-2273647.JPG I actually had a friend offer a barrel before I saw this but man I really appreciate it. |
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Originally Posted By Luvman: @Brackeen22 I have a stripped upper. Will need a port door. PM or email me where to ship it. @Iam4 what size gas block does that barrel take? 3/4"? If so I have one I can send. Yes it is a 3/4 but he declined it. I think I might have an extra gas block as well. |
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Originally Posted By backbencher: That's what I'm talking about! There are enough non-threaded HBARs in the US to arm a division. I have actually been tempted a few time to throw it in an upper just to see what it can do. The BCA barrels get reports of either god awful or really good groups, wonder where this one will land up. @backbencher |
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A few people mentioned about building ARs for someone in need. Just understand that you cannot build an AR and then ship it to an FFL as a whole gun as you cannot build for anyone but yourself unless you are an 07. Building an AR-15 from a kit is still considered manufacturing even if the receiver is complete (even a gun store can get nailed if they are not a licensed manufacturer). You can build a lower assembly and ship that to the FFL separately, and then ship the complete upper directly to the guy you are donating to - when he assembles both halves he assembled/manufactured for himself which is legal. Bear Creek just had a sale on this side charger model for like $350 complete (no mag or sights):  But, it just went up today to $439. I have their .450 Bushmaster side-charger and the quality is great and it shoots without issue. |
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Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: A few people mentioned about building ARs for someone in need. Just understand that you cannot build an AR and then ship it to an FFL as a whole gun as you cannot build for anyone but yourself unless you are an 07. Building an AR-15 from a kit is still considered manufacturing even if the receiver is complete (even a gun store can get nailed if they are not a licensed manufacturer). You can build a lower assembly and ship that to the FFL separately, and then ship the complete upper directly to the guy you are donating to - when he assembles both halves he assembled/manufactured for himself which is legal. Bear Creek just had a sale on this side charger model for like $350 complete (no mag or sights): https://www.bearcreekarsenal.com/media/catalog/product/cache/04c4374053692f834e2bc820c5ae2c18/2/2/223-sc-bl-ar-15-rifle-218-r.jpg But, it just went up today to $439. I have their .450 Bushmaster side-charger and the quality is great and it shoots without issue. I am not sure your legal analysis is correct. Cite? |
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I think he's sort of right - if you home build a firearm, from the ground up, i.e., 80% receiver, then you are home building a firearm and if you built it specifically to transfer it to another person, that puts you in manufacturer land. However, assembling parts onto a serial numbered and properly transferred receiver may be that grey area. ATFE has, in my experience working in two gun shops and running two ranges, absolutely zero sense of humor. So, in the spirit of the thing, we send stripped or partially assembled components. Also, I think that defining mating an upper to a lower as "manufacturing" wouldn't stand up in court, as we commonly swap uppers all over the nation. But I am not a lawyer nor do I play one on TV, I suggest seeking the advice of genuine counsel in your area familiar with both your local laws, (I'm in Arizona, best gun laws in the entire nation), and federal statutes. This advice is, of course, free and worth what you paid for it. |
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Originally Posted By backbencher: I am not sure your legal analysis is correct. Cite? Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: A few people mentioned about building ARs for someone in need. Just understand that you cannot build an AR and then ship it to an FFL as a whole gun as you cannot build for anyone but yourself unless you are an 07. Building an AR-15 from a kit is still considered manufacturing even if the receiver is complete (even a gun store can get nailed if they are not a licensed manufacturer). You can build a lower assembly and ship that to the FFL separately, and then ship the complete upper directly to the guy you are donating to - when he assembles both halves he assembled/manufactured for himself which is legal. Bear Creek just had a sale on this side charger model for like $350 complete (no mag or sights): https://www.bearcreekarsenal.com/media/catalog/product/cache/04c4374053692f834e2bc820c5ae2c18/2/2/223-sc-bl-ar-15-rifle-218-r.jpg But, it just went up today to $439. I have their .450 Bushmaster side-charger and the quality is great and it shoots without issue. I am not sure your legal analysis is correct. Cite? I have held every BATFE license (importing/manufacturing/dealer) from the late 1980s through 2011. This addresses it (from a licensed gunsmithing perspective) but also the FFL Handbook is very clear as well as other sources: https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/ruling/2010-10-manufacturing-operations-maybe-performed-licensed-gunsmiths-under/download |
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Originally Posted By armoredman: I think he's sort of right - if you home build a firearm, from the ground up, i.e., 80% receiver, then you are home building a firearm and if you built it sepcifically to transfer it to another person, that puts you in manufacturer land. However, assembling parts onto a serial numbered and properly transferred receiver may be that grey area. ATFE has, in my experience working in two gun shops and running two ranges, absolutely zero sense of humor. So, in the spirit of the thing, we send stripped or partially assembled components. Also, I think that defining mating an upper to a lower as "manufacturing" wouldn't stand up in court, as we commonly swap uppers all over the nation. But I am not a lawyer nor do I play one on TV, I suggest seeking the advice of genuine counsel in your area familiar with both your local laws, (I'm in Arizona, best gun laws in the entire nation), and federal statutes. This advice is, of course, free and worth what you paid for it. If the stripped receiver is completed, this applies as well. See link in other post. You can swap uppers all you want but if you start with a stripped/never before assembled frame or receiver that counts as manufacturing. Assembling is considered to be manufacturing. You can manufacture for yourself, but you cannot buy a bunch of kits and finished receivers, put them together, and sell them (technically, someone giving you $20 to put their AR kit together for them may constitute manufacturing without a license). An 01 FFL can't even do that unless he gets an 07 (and follows the requirements of that license which are registration, his company's markings/engraving, paying FET, etc.). 4473s or acquisition/disposition books are to be marked as "frame" or "receiver" if the FFL transfers just a frame or receiver. It is incorrect for an FFL to write in "rifle" if it's a stripped AR-15 lower he is acquiring or transferring. |
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Originally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: So I guess this thread is done now? people are donating parts. Other people are donating labor to assemble lowers. People are donating labor assembling uppers. People then give lowers and uppers to other people. |
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Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: I have held every BATFE license (importing/manufacturing/dealer) from the late 1980s through 2011. This addresses it (from a licensed gunsmithing perspective) but also the FFL Handbook is very clear as well as other sources: https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/ruling/2010-10-manufacturing-operations-maybe-performed-licensed-gunsmiths-under/download Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: A few people mentioned about building ARs for someone in need. Just understand that you cannot build an AR and then ship it to an FFL as a whole gun as you cannot build for anyone but yourself unless you are an 07. Building an AR-15 from a kit is still considered manufacturing even if the receiver is complete (even a gun store can get nailed if they are not a licensed manufacturer). You can build a lower assembly and ship that to the FFL separately, and then ship the complete upper directly to the guy you are donating to - when he assembles both halves he assembled/manufactured for himself which is legal. Bear Creek just had a sale on this side charger model for like $350 complete (no mag or sights): https://www.bearcreekarsenal.com/media/catalog/product/cache/04c4374053692f834e2bc820c5ae2c18/2/2/223-sc-bl-ar-15-rifle-218-r.jpg But, it just went up today to $439. I have their .450 Bushmaster side-charger and the quality is great and it shoots without issue. I am not sure your legal analysis is correct. Cite? I have held every BATFE license (importing/manufacturing/dealer) from the late 1980s through 2011. This addresses it (from a licensed gunsmithing perspective) but also the FFL Handbook is very clear as well as other sources: https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/ruling/2010-10-manufacturing-operations-maybe-performed-licensed-gunsmiths-under/download I am afraid your cite applies to FFL holders only. Please try again, and find a citation that applies to private individuals NOT engaged in the firearms trade. |
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Originally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: So I guess this thread is done now? Why? A complete upper can be shipped directly to the guy and a complete lower and go to his FFL. Or just pay for a complete rifle: DelTon, Bear Creek, and Anderson have sales all the time for AR-15s in the $375-$450 range. SALE IS BACK ON BUT OUT OF STOCK (rain check?):  NEW, .223 Wylde, 16” Parkerized M4 Barrel, 1:8 Twist, Carbine Length Gas System, 15” MLOK Rail|New MLOK|Rifle (No Magazine/Anodized Engraved Lower) SKU - RIFLE613N-223-LAAR15-AE Special Price $349.99 Regular Price $459.99 https://www.bearcreekarsenal.com/ar-15/ar-15-rifles.html IN STOCK  5.56 NATO, 16" Parkerized M4 Barrel, 1:8 Twist, Carbine Length Gas System, 15" MLOK Rail|Side Charging Rifle (Gen 2/Billet Lower/No Magazine)|New MLOK SKU - RIFLE912N-556-LAAR15-BLAE $349.99 Regular Price $459.99 |
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Originally Posted By Brackeen22: Which have no bearing on what is going on. Not sure why he is posting. Originally Posted By Brackeen22: Originally Posted By backbencher: No, he's an FFL attempting to apply BATFE rules for FFLs to private individuals. Which have no bearing on what is going on. Not sure why he is posting. I recognize that it doesn't affect guys sending parts or factory built guns, but the sap at the end of the chain who cobbles the thing together for his kids, or his buddy, or that old vet down the street may be in trouble. |
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Originally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: What I'm reading, if true, says that building a firearm (and we all know how loosely FATF interprets THAT word) MAKES you a manufacturer for the purpose of fucking you over. Not because you are an ffl, but because you're not. I recognize that it doesn't affect guys sending parts or factory built guns, but the sap at the end of the chain who cobbles the thing together for his kids, or his buddy, or that old vet down the street may be in trouble. Huh? The serialized part is the firearm. Everything else is just an accessory hanging off of it. If they're not manufacturing the serialized part, they can add whatever the hell they want and then give it away freely to anyone legally able to own a gun. Hell, even if they do manufacture the serialized part for personal use, they can later sell it or give it to anyone legally able to own a gun. Can even go visit the FFL and do paperwork if it gives you the warm fuzzies, but it's not necessary. |
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Originally Posted By xdoctor: Huh? The serialized part is the firearm. Everything else is just an accessory hanging off of it. If they're not manufacturing the serialized part, they can add whatever the hell they want and then give it away freely to anyone legally able to own a gun. Hell, even if they do manufacture the serialized part for personal use, they can later sell it or give it to anyone legally able to own a gun. Can even go visit the FFL and do paperwork if it gives you the warm fuzzies, but it's not necessary. Originally Posted By xdoctor: Originally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: What I'm reading, if true, says that building a firearm (and we all know how loosely FATF interprets THAT word) MAKES you a manufacturer for the purpose of fucking you over. Not because you are an ffl, but because you're not. I recognize that it doesn't affect guys sending parts or factory built guns, but the sap at the end of the chain who cobbles the thing together for his kids, or his buddy, or that old vet down the street may be in trouble. Huh? The serialized part is the firearm. Everything else is just an accessory hanging off of it. If they're not manufacturing the serialized part, they can add whatever the hell they want and then give it away freely to anyone legally able to own a gun. Hell, even if they do manufacture the serialized part for personal use, they can later sell it or give it to anyone legally able to own a gun. Can even go visit the FFL and do paperwork if it gives you the warm fuzzies, but it's not necessary. |
History indicates that Conservative Americans only have three speeds: silence, peaceful protest rallies, and Total Industrialized Warfare. They excel at the latter.
---spartacus2002
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Originally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: What I'm reading, if true, says that building a firearm (and we all know how loosely FATF interprets THAT word) MAKES you a manufacturer for the purpose of fucking you over. Not because you are an ffl, but because you're not. I recognize that it doesn't affect guys sending parts or factory built guns, but the sap at the end of the chain who cobbles the thing together for his kids, or his buddy, or that old vet down the street may be in trouble. What he quoted is telling FFL 01s (retail dealer, gunsmith) they can't change the classification of a firearm (from firearm receiver) to rifle w/o an FFL 07 (manufacturer). We're not FFL 01s (well, most of you, anyway), so you're not prohibited from assembling an AR from parts & giving it to someone. Where folks have been busted by ATF the last few years is folks who get some 80%s, proceed to mill them out, build complete rifles & pistols, and sell em @ gun shows w/o SNs, no FFL, & no manufacturing FFL. That's a no-no. |
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Originally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: What I'm reading, if true, says that building a firearm (and we all know how loosely FATF interprets THAT word) MAKES you a manufacturer for the purpose of fucking you over. Not because you are an ffl, but because you're not. I recognize that it doesn't affect guys sending parts or factory built guns, but the sap at the end of the chain who cobbles the thing together for his kids, or his buddy, or that old vet down the street may be in trouble. I’ve always understood that you can assembly something and give it as a gift. Your not making money on it. |
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That rifle turned out great. Originally Posted By tarheel7734: @armoredman The MSR showed up today. She absolutely loves her rifle. I truly appreciate everyone's help building it. It's something she will truly cherish and something that will bring us closer after I missed most of her life due to my military service. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/380981/20220207_122513_jpg-2270382.JPG |
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Originally Posted By StaccatoC2: I have a BCA freebie 16 hbar non threaded barrel I can send out. Its their match barrel ( so they say ), heavy under the hand guard, carbine gas if I remember target non threaded muzzle. @Brackeen22 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/497353/PXL_20220210_033140533_jpg-2273647.JPG StaccatoC2 if the bbl is still available, I'd be interested. Helped nephew build ar but here in NY not supposed to be a threaded bbl Pinned thread protector would be ok, but he is uncomfortable w/ that. I was gonna get him a 20'' and have it cut/crowned but money's been tight. This would be perfect and he'd feel a lot better. |
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