So does anyone have one, or personally know of anyone that has one, or has anyone even seen one in the wild? I'm no on all three of those, and honest to God I kinda feel sorry for Dodge, in that whoever gambled to put so much into it didn't think it through enough. I mean, when i search new inventory for Dodges at local dealers, it's amazing and kinda sad how many are on the lots. I wonder if they can "fleet" them for something...anything. IMHO the fully loaded ICE version (not the R/T) is not a bad vehicle by the stats, but IMO it has an MSRP that probably has folks not even considering em in the preliminary stages of shopping.

I know this thread will likely be full of "fuck Dodge" and "fuck the Euro-commies" and all kinds of other nonsense, but I'm asking as an interested auto nut soul - from someone that follows the market and changes and performance and really wants everyone to do well at what they choose to excel in. Overall it's still about the best time to be alive for autos and everything else we're blessed with.

I absolutely LOVED the Hemis we had and still have - IMO there is nothing in the market that comes close in price for performance and tech etc. But I guess CAFE standards, and maybe a new parent company that has little love for American tastes is content to now watch this brand die on the vine. I dunno, but I read that the new Charger is configured for potentially making em with ICE Hurricane engines too, so who knows - maybe someone will wake up and offer em with the HO Hurricane and maybe even AWD.  I don't work in the industry and only know what I can find on the interwebs, but they could still turn this around. Especially if the better person wins the election and can maybe rein in the current CAFE madness and related reg restraints.

ETA, these are made in Italy, and are pretty much a rebranded Alfa Tonale. Not saying it's all fancy and superior cause of that, but there's more to this little machine than many might realize.

Lordy, I agree - that commercial is terrible...horrible. I hope they dump it soon if they really want to sell some to the market I would imagine they are trying to chase.

In looks and layout, it really reminds me of the KL Cherokee we had, which IMO was an outstanding vehicle that checked a whole lotta boxes.

On paper, IMHO the GT Plus checks a lot of boxes. Here's what some are saying it's got cooking.

You are probably right , but I'm gonna hold out hope for the Charger/HO Hurricane/possible AWD thing. IF that happens, IMO could possibly be as significant for them as the whole Scat Pack thing.....

I hear ya. With me I still try to check every box possible these days, since IMO we're about in a golden age of ICE vehicles and technology. But I'll bet your opinion is a big part of why they may not be selling at all.

Interdasting...I've read a bit on the GT (all ICE), but near nothing on the R/T (plug in hybrid), but have not yet driven either.

I kinda feel the same about our current 6.4. But in my mind ya never know, and never say never. They just might starting making the new Charger, or maybe even a new Challenger, with HO Hurricanes and AWD. I get the feeling that remote possibility will become greater if the better person wins the election.