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Posted: 2/15/2024 3:05:12 PM EST
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Mine sucked. Wouldn't run right with belt or mag. Pretty sure it was the first SAW ever made, it had some features that no other SAW in the company had. Ejection port cover was shaped different for one. And then one time the grip bolt hole stripped out and deadlined it forever. Good riddance, I hated that fucking thing. Got in a firefight once in Mosul and it kachunked every other round. I had the only bolt action SAW in the country. Great timing. And don't tell me I didn't maintain that piece of shit either. I maintained the shit out of it. Ah Mosul. Lovely town. |
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Posted: 2/15/2024 3:15:58 PM EST
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You are a go at this station. Preceded by a no. They were more kind and helpful than that, almost sorry. Not me in Pic as i tried atleast a decade before, but they tried to help on things they thought we were not accustomed to, as you can see.  There was an extremely High attrition rate, i think less than 10 out of more than 200 succeded, all being older career officers. Latrine rumour was that they were helped so they could add that ribbon to their resume, but i think they Just succeded Just because they were good. |
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Posted: 2/15/2024 3:19:25 PM EST
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The ones I used in the 82nd were beat. Constant jams. In the 25th we got brand new ones and those were pretty cool. You could really ruin someone’s day with UTM rounds through one. It would have been a lot better without the magwell. Always got links or brass or whatever stuck in there and causing jams. This. Kinda wish they’d just done the Mk 46 thing right from the start. Never used a mag in mine, but did get all sorts of shit in the magwell. |
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Posted: 2/15/2024 3:28:47 PM EST
[#4]
I loved mine even though it did fail. I was told the receiver had stretched and was way out of spec and that’s why it wasn’t feeding right. But got another and it was 100%.
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Posted: 2/15/2024 3:29:50 PM EST
[#5]
 Suppressor Meltdown! 700 round burst through an M249 SAW! I wish I was there that day to watch that. |
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Posted: 2/15/2024 3:41:50 PM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Please tell us more about your hands on experience with the SAW. @Dragoth-Ur Friend of a friend has a SOT, asked me if I wanted to go with him to a MG shoot (mostly other Class 3 dealers, SOTs, range owners, etc) being hosted on private land, helping set up the tents, tables, etc and in return for my charitable works I would be rewarded with full auto awesomeness… And it was good Sadly the only thing that did not run properly was the SAW, it was go for about 2-5 rounds, then stop, after 3 stop and starts the owner of the SAW lifted up the AFG and tries to refucklate it. I get behind it again and after another 3 stop and starts he decides to pull it as it’s not going to fix itself and thus “it’s a problem that will wait for my attention” and “today was a day of fun and enjoyment” (as all days should be, especially with MGs) said the owner. He gave me a belt to his MG3 and let me hose down one of the cars we had as targets. To say it was amazing is an understatement. Got to enjoy many cool toys, the truck bed mounted bowling ball cannon was awesome. This was encounter with a SAW so far to maybe I am biased. Still had a great time. |
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Posted: 2/15/2024 3:44:47 PM EST
[#7]
Quoted: For folks that didn't get a chance to play with them and rely on those who did to determine it's awesomeness...you will hear lies. 99% of them come down to lazy infantrymen unwilling to pack the extra weight (the same losers that ditch their 60mm rounds on the march). It isn't a 240 by any means but it is so much better than an M4 for area fire and suppression that it isn't even comparable. I have carried both. The SAW is the best thing that ever happened to the fire team since the smoke grenade. Fight me. @mooreshawnm How do you ditch mortar rounds?! |
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Posted: 2/15/2024 3:45:37 PM EST
[#8]
I loved mine
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Posted: 2/15/2024 3:51:12 PM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @mooreshawnm How do you ditch mortar rounds?! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: For folks that didn't get a chance to play with them and rely on those who did to determine it's awesomeness...you will hear lies. 99% of them come down to lazy infantrymen unwilling to pack the extra weight (the same losers that ditch their 60mm rounds on the march). It isn't a 240 by any means but it is so much better than an M4 for area fire and suppression that it isn't even comparable. I have carried both. The SAW is the best thing that ever happened to the fire team since the smoke grenade. Fight me. @mooreshawnm How do you ditch mortar rounds?! I was armor and would never consider that behavior. Also being armor I never had to carry anything. Life sucks if you're infantry. The mortar round story comes from my kid who is a mortar. |
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Posted: 2/15/2024 3:53:28 PM EST
[#10]
I just came to say mooreshawn eats picanha.
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Posted: 2/15/2024 3:55:57 PM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just came to say mooreshawn eats picanha. How to properly mess with lug. I will have to give this some thought! 
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Posted: 2/15/2024 3:59:36 PM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @mooreshawnm How do you ditch mortar rounds?! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: For folks that didn't get a chance to play with them and rely on those who did to determine it's awesomeness...you will hear lies. 99% of them come down to lazy infantrymen unwilling to pack the extra weight (the same losers that ditch their 60mm rounds on the march). It isn't a 240 by any means but it is so much better than an M4 for area fire and suppression that it isn't even comparable. I have carried both. The SAW is the best thing that ever happened to the fire team since the smoke grenade. Fight me. @mooreshawnm How do you ditch mortar rounds?! throw them in the bushes  Not a mortar dude, but seriously thought about throwing a radio or two into the bushes on occasion. Being they are controlled crypto graphic items that's a very lorge grande bozo no no. 
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Posted: 2/15/2024 4:08:17 PM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was armor and would never consider that behavior. Also being armor I never had to carry anything. Life sucks if you're infantry. The mortar round story comes from my kid who is a mortar. Ahh not to be a dick but you never had to hump or jump the saw on long range patrols or be expected to run around like a rifleman with it. Vastly different experience vs emplaced or.mounted. Now some guys here loved that as by a few fellow infantryman posts but that thing sucked after a few hours humping hills then having to IMT with it like a rifleman. |
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Posted: 2/15/2024 4:10:43 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ahh not to be a dick but you never had to hump or jump the saw on long range patrols or be expected to run around like a rifleman with it. Vastly different experience vs emplaced or.mounted. Now some guys here loved that as by a few fellow infantryman posts but that thing sucked after a few hours humping hills then having to IMT with it like a rifleman. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I was armor and would never consider that behavior. Also being armor I never had to carry anything. Life sucks if you're infantry. The mortar round story comes from my kid who is a mortar. Ahh not to be a dick but you never had to hump or jump the saw on long range patrols or be expected to run around like a rifleman with it. Vastly different experience vs emplaced or.mounted. Now some guys here loved that as by a few fellow infantryman posts but that thing sucked after a few hours humping hills then having to IMT with it like a rifleman. Correct as I was a 19k. Our primary mission was to destroy the enemy. A SAW was a useful tool for that. Our secondary mission, which remains in effect to this day, is to demean and belittle the infantry. |
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Posted: 2/15/2024 4:11:57 PM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @mooreshawnm How do you ditch mortar rounds?! I don't know about him but in my unit we often jumped or humped mortar rounds that were dummy rounds for training. They weren't light but they expected each and everyone of them at the end of the training exercise. For training we jumped them in our butt packs and handed them off to the mortar guys once we linked up with them by he DZ or sometimes a billion kilometers from it. In any case they were accounted for. I was 11B though |
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Posted: 2/15/2024 4:12:55 PM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Correct as I was a 19k. Our primary mission was to destroy the enemy. A SAW was a useful tool for that. Our secondary mission, which remains in effect to this day, is to demean and belittle the infantry. Lol.right on |
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Posted: 2/15/2024 4:13:46 PM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: First guy I ever saw killed online was from two 3rd bursts from a m249. Blew my mind when I read the gunner was over 100yds away from the RPG dude, making accurate hits with a machine gun. Yeah I dunno if SAW barrels are made as good as 240 barrels... but I guess many people have taken m240 barrels and put them on bolt guns... and they're accurate as hell. Machine guns can be super accurate. |
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Posted: 2/15/2024 4:14:06 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol.right on Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Correct as I was a 19k. Our primary mission was to destroy the enemy. A SAW was a useful tool for that. Our secondary mission, which remains in effect to this day, is to demean and belittle the infantry. Lol.right on And it's all in fun brother |
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Posted: 2/15/2024 4:19:32 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: First guy I ever saw killed online was from two 3rd bursts from a m249. Blew my mind when I read the gunner was over 100yds away from the RPG dude, making accurate hits with a machine gun. Why? |
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Posted: 2/15/2024 4:31:00 PM EST
[#20]
It 100% comes down to if the saw is nice and fresh or clapped the fuck out. My old saw (2id, korea) was actually decent (better than most, jammed only with blanks, lucky to get two bursts from mag fed blanks). We got brand news ones (1id, ft hood) and I'm not sure i ever saw a jam.
At ft. Hood, due to fire risk the tracers were removed from the belts, at the end of the night we'd have the broke dicks relink all the tracers into their own belts and get the 6 plt SAWs and 3 m240s (we had an extra hq platoon didnt want) and go cyclic with solid tracers. That was fun to see. In afghanistan we got mk 46s (very lightweight saws) to replace the m249s. They jammed some but were very light in comparison. We also had mk 48s (7.62 mk 46s) to replace the m240s on patrol, those were a big upgrade in weight savings, also less reliable brand new). The SAW was the worst personal weapon to haul by far but fantastic to shoot. |
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Posted: 2/15/2024 4:32:02 PM EST
[#21]
Question for those who might know. Did the M249 run on D60 drums?
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Posted: 2/15/2024 4:35:26 PM EST
[#22]
I made the SAW my bitch, but I still say the Automatic rifleman should have... wait for it... an automatic rifle. Not a belt fed MG, but a drum fed automatic rifle, ala the RPK. It is too much to expect someone to keep up with the assault element when humping the quantities of ammo that make the SAW a useful weapon.
As is, the SAW should have the magwell removed, QD barrel capability removed, and should be subject to a much more intensive maintenance schedule. Nothing like having an E6 say you failed to properly clean your weapon when you show him there's literally no spring underneath the feed pawls. |
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Posted: 2/15/2024 4:45:24 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was armor and would never consider that behavior. Also being armor I never had to carry anything. Life sucks if you're infantry. The mortar round story comes from my kid who is a mortar. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: For folks that didn't get a chance to play with them and rely on those who did to determine it's awesomeness...you will hear lies. 99% of them come down to lazy infantrymen unwilling to pack the extra weight (the same losers that ditch their 60mm rounds on the march). It isn't a 240 by any means but it is so much better than an M4 for area fire and suppression that it isn't even comparable. I have carried both. The SAW is the best thing that ever happened to the fire team since the smoke grenade. Fight me. @mooreshawnm How do you ditch mortar rounds?! I was armor and would never consider that behavior. Also being armor I never had to carry anything. Life sucks if you're infantry. The mortar round story comes from my kid who is a mortar. |
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Posted: 2/15/2024 4:45:52 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Question for those who might know. Did the M249 run on D60 drums? I don't think anyone with .mil experience could answer that question, as D60s tend not to make their way around that circle, but I'd be curious if some SOTs could chime in. |
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Posted: 2/15/2024 4:49:32 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah I dunno if SAW barrels are made as good as 240 barrels... but I guess many people have taken m240 barrels and put them on bolt guns... and they're accurate as hell. Machine guns can be super accurate. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: First guy I ever saw killed online was from two 3rd bursts from a m249. Blew my mind when I read the gunner was over 100yds away from the RPG dude, making accurate hits with a machine gun. Yeah I dunno if SAW barrels are made as good as 240 barrels... but I guess many people have taken m240 barrels and put them on bolt guns... and they're accurate as hell. Machine guns can be super accurate. |
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Posted: 2/15/2024 4:57:51 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And it's all in fun brother Aye |
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Posted: 2/15/2024 5:01:12 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The ones I used in the 82nd were beat. Constant jams. In the 25th we got brand new ones and those were pretty cool. You could really ruin someone’s day with UTM rounds through one. It would have been a lot better without the magwell. Always got links or brass or whatever stuck in there and causing jams. Same thing for me in 4th ID, mid 2000s. They were pretty beaten down. Everyone liked the 240B better, including me. Even more so if it was going to be vehicle mounted. It was interesting to see a few 249s get retrofitted into burp guns during deployment. They put on a short barrel, a forward grip, and a small adjustable stock. You could lay down some serious hate with that in CQB situations. |
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Posted: 2/15/2024 5:09:50 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How to properly mess with lug. I will have to give this some thought! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I just came to say mooreshawn eats picanha. How to properly mess with lug. I will have to give this some thought! Buy him a new Hawaiian shirt?  
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Posted: 2/15/2024 5:10:07 PM EST
[#29]
Sure were, when factory new and within their engineered service life.
Unfortunately, the Army and USMC treated them with the same mindset as the Browning M2HBs. The Browning M2HB, due to its design, a milled steel forging, milled steel plates assembled with rivets, has few wear parts, the same M2HB originally manufactured between 1938 and 1945,goes into the shop, it gets new springs, the receiver housing gets inspected then reparkerized, a bolt and barrel combination are installed, headspace and timing set, then it gets returned to the units. The M249, a folded piece of sheet steel, was never designed to be permanently durable. They weren't throw away/disposable but they had a service life span measured in years not decades. Big Army and USMC failed to budget for proper periodic replacements, the same folded sheet steel from the 1980s were sent to war in 2001, just got wore the F out. SOCOM bought brand new Mk46 5.56 and Mk48 7.62NATO versions of the weapon system during the GWOT, the weapons continued to reliably serve. The Marines tested wore out M249 against brand new HK 416, and got the results THEY wanted in order to get the HK M27 IAR into the system. When the day comes the USMC is dug in on some Pacific island they are going to miss those M249s when the Chinese attack. |
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Posted: 2/15/2024 5:13:24 PM EST
[#30]
Anyone whom uses the incorrect nomenclature of SAW should have their opinions immediately disregarded. Also, they’re temperamental and pretty meh.
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Posted: 2/15/2024 5:15:11 PM EST
[#31]
The 249 was one of my favorite weapons.
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Posted: 2/15/2024 5:19:09 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone whom uses the incorrect nomenclature of SAW should have their opinions immediately disregarded. Also, they’re temperamental and pretty meh. I'm also a fan of the term 'long colt.' Muhahaha! |
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Posted: 2/15/2024 5:23:45 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ahh not to be a dick but you never had to hump or jump the saw on long range patrols or be expected to run around like a rifleman with it. Vastly different experience vs emplaced or.mounted. Now some guys here loved that as by a few fellow infantryman posts but that thing sucked after a few hours humping hills then having to IMT with it like a rifleman. Oh 100%…jumping a full combat load with a SAW, I used to just kinda stumble out of the bird because I couldn’t get the extra oomph to get a clean exit carrying 120lbs of shit…hated it. Loved jumping any other time, unless I was packing the CLU for my Javelin because it was just bulky. But movement to contact, bounding, and flanking with the riflemen while support by fire kept the fuck heads busy…good God…shit sucked but gotta nut up because you’re the most likely guy to smoke these fuckheads and everyone is counting on you, especially in an ambush. Was so glad to go to DM school and get to lug around an M110 instead lol, but that was WAY more fun to employ (IMO). |
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Posted: 2/15/2024 5:24:31 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm also a fan of the term 'long colt.' Muhahaha! 
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Posted: 2/15/2024 5:28:51 PM EST
[#35]
I was a SAW gunner for a year. Love that gun.
Only malfunctions I had were with blanks. I worked with the armorer and XO to replace the springs in our M249s and M9s since I had experience with them both. Good gun. Also, I'm surprised the 19Ks had time to learn how to use them properly in between the group buttsex. |
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Posted: 2/15/2024 5:30:51 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was a SAW gunner for a year. Love that gun. Only malfunctions I had were with blanks. I worked with the armorer and XO to replace the springs in our M249s and M9s since I had experience with them both. Good gun. Also, I'm surprised the 19Ks had time to learn how to use them properly in between the group buttsex. Don't even go there crunchie...I've seen how you spoon at night. It still disturbs me. |
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Posted: 2/15/2024 5:32:05 PM EST
[#37]
OP is not wrong.
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Posted: 2/15/2024 5:32:30 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Also, I'm surprised the 19Ks had time to learn how to use them properly in between the group buttsex. Lulzzzzzz |
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Posted: 2/15/2024 5:32:55 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't even go there crunchie...I've seen how you spoon at night. It still disturbs me. 
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Posted: 2/15/2024 5:34:51 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't even go there crunchie...I've seen how you spoon at night. It still disturbs me. Hey, having a manferno is a perfectly acceptable sleeping position. If we can’t snuggle with our fellow brothers, what the hell are we even fighting for?
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Posted: 2/15/2024 5:36:49 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hey, having a manferno is a perfectly acceptable sleeping position. If we can’t snuggle with our fellow brothers, what the hell are we even fighting for? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Don't even go there crunchie...I've seen how you spoon at night. It still disturbs me. Hey, having a manferno is a perfectly acceptable sleeping position. If we can’t snuggle with our fellow brothers, what the hell are we even fighting for? You guys slept all gay and always ran out of tobacco 24 hours into ANY field problem. |
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Posted: 2/15/2024 5:42:21 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You guys slept all gay and always ran out of tobacco 24 hours into ANY field problem. We run on gay innuendo, and tobacco products…it’s not our fault we need more than other weaker MOSs.
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Posted: 2/15/2024 5:55:47 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OP is spot on. Properly maintained, the 249 is a life altering tool in a near ambush! 18Z50 I would say your perspective is skewed by excessive competence. lol In the real army, where we have single term enlistees of low to mid IQ Infantryman, we'd have been better served by a more practical and less temperamental belt fed 5.56mm bullet hose. Let the operators have whatever they want. Give the single term enlistee, non elite, leg line Infantry whatever it is that they cannot break through the inevitable abuse, incompetence and/or neglect. 11B48 |
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Posted: 2/15/2024 5:56:44 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Marines tested wore out M249 against brand new HK 416, and got the results THEY wanted in order to get the HK M27 IAR into the system. When the day comes the USMC is dug in on some Pacific island they are going to miss those M249s when the Chinese attack. Either USMC doctrine or some other optimized use case...over and above the politics and the choice of the M27? Given the whole ensemble of GWOT generated accessories and lessons learned?  |
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Posted: 2/15/2024 6:08:48 PM EST
[#45]
I never got to kill anybody with one but I used it a lot enjoyed shooting it.
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Posted: 2/15/2024 6:11:30 PM EST
[#46]
It needs an adjustable gas position for reduced energy for magazine feed.
And to buy new ones that aren't completely worn out. US mil expects to buy things and keep them for 40 years until they change over to some new system. They're wear items, they should be replaced. The M17 pistol with the serial numbered fire control group is a step in the right direction. If the SAW was made that way, where all the parts could be replaced without "buying new weapons", folks would be happier with them. |
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Posted: 2/15/2024 6:23:56 PM EST
[#47]
I fitted the majority of all my SAWs with short barrels and extendable stocks. Great weapon with the rate of fire.
I may have turned a few barrels glowing white. |
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Posted: 2/15/2024 6:28:44 PM EST
[#48]
I think I'd rather have the Negev NG-5. Lighter, more reliable and fixes most of the deficiencies of the M249 design.
 Shooting the Negev LMG Just seems like the better option for an "automatic rifleman" role. |
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Posted: 2/15/2024 6:40:04 PM EST
[#49]
Closest thing I could purchase next to a saw. Mine has been 100% reliable. Been through about 4K rounds which isn't much but so far so good.
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Posted: 2/15/2024 6:41:49 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think I'd rather have the Negev NG-5. Lighter, more reliable and fixes most of the deficiencies of the M249 design.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuhYHUOu6BUJust seems like the better option for an "automatic rifleman" role. You go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time. ETA- this kind of sounded like I was being a dick but it's a Donald Rumsfeld joke, in case you don't get it.
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