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Posted: 9/13/2024 11:43:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Jack_Dempsey]
Leaning toward P1S due to cost and doubtful need for the X1C’s features (and P1S nozzle and gears apparently easy to upgrade). However, the higher possible bed temperature of the X1C might push me in that direction. Unless the bed temperature of the P1S can be hacked as discussed here with a simple resistor. Although, I’m a bit unsettled by the idea of purchasing probably $0.25 worth of resistor, wire, connectors, and heat shrink tubing for $25. Although I suppose realistically it would be paying for the seller’s knowledge and expertise in figuring out the hack. So……… does anyone here know the resistor value and where to connect it?
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Posted: 9/14/2024 12:19:39 AM EDT
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do it!
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Posted: 9/14/2024 12:31:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: MrMackey]
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Posted: 9/14/2024 12:47:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Keekleberrys: do it! Yes! Wait what? |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 12:49:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack_Dempsey: Yes! Wait what? yes |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 1:25:39 AM EDT
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FPNI, again.
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Posted: 9/14/2024 8:12:39 AM EDT
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I started off with the X1C. It’s been great. I’ve since added an A1 mini and A1 with the ams lite to the collection and will probably get a P1S for printing smelly filaments in the garage. You can’t go wrong with any of their printers as long as it has the features that you require. The print quality and speed for all of them is about the same.
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Posted: 9/14/2024 1:33:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: -Obsessed-]
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OP just get the X1C.
People are all like, "Get the P1S, and then get enclosure panels! Don't forget hardened hotend! Don't forget hardened hotend gears! Don't forget bed upgrade! Don't forget screen upgrade! Don't forget auxiliary parts cooling fan! Don't forget AMS!" You'd be better off just buying the X1C. At least then you get automatic filament calibration. 
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Posted: 9/14/2024 3:07:41 PM EDT
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Huh, had no idea they nerfed the bed temps on them.
 Then again I have an X1C so had no need to care.
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Posted: 9/14/2024 3:19:52 PM EDT
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P1s is too gimped up with the screen. Can't put aftermarket firmware on it or control AMS with it.
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Posted: 9/14/2024 9:49:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -Obsessed-: OP just get the X1C. People are all like, "Get the P1S, and then get enclosure panels! Don't forget hardened hotend! Don't forget hardened hotend gears! Don't forget bed upgrade! Don't forget screen upgrade! Don't forget auxiliary parts cooling fan! Don't forget AMS!" You'd be better off just buying the X1C. At least then you get automatic filament calibration. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/467079/1000010365-3201646.jpg The P1S already has enclosure panels. Yeah, I’d probably upgrade to hardened hotend and gears. But those are all relatively cheap and easy, from what I understand. Bed upgrade? You mean the subject of this thread? Something else? I’m not convinced the screen is worth it for me. Tell me more about the auxiliary parts cooling fan? I would get the AMS bundled. Automatic filament calibration seems like it’d be nice, but I’m not convinced it’s $600 nice. |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 9:51:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gaspain: P1s is too gimped up with the screen. Can't put aftermarket firmware on it or control AMS with it. Why would I want to put aftermarket firmware in? And why wouldn’t I just use the slicer for the AMS? Serious questions. |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 10:02:34 PM EDT
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spaghetti detection was enough to push me to the x1c. i leave my printer unattended all day long at work. and its nice when it automatically stops a failed print. you can check in on the bambu handy app but theres times when i dont pick up my phone for hours.
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Posted: 9/14/2024 10:36:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack_Dempsey: The P1S already has enclosure panels. Yeah, I’d probably upgrade to hardened hotend and gears. But those are all relatively cheap and easy, from what I understand. Bed upgrade? You mean the subject of this thread? Something else? I’m not convinced the screen is worth it for me. Tell me more about the auxiliary parts cooling fan? I would get the AMS bundled. Automatic filament calibration seems like it’d be nice, but I’m not convinced it’s $600 nice. A lot of folks don't understand the true need for proper calibration at these speeds. The amount of pressure differential necessary at these speeds requires a very dialed in K value. An incorrect k value can lead to under extrusion, over extrusion, bad geometry in corners, and corners that are radiused when they shouldn't be or bulged. Often all four of these can exist in the same print. K value also can change enough between rolls, or even within the same roll at different wetnesses. Flow calibration alone is worth $600. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 10:55:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack_Dempsey: Why would I want to put aftermarket firmware in? And why wouldn’t I just use the slicer for the AMS? Serious questions. because the original firmware is spyware in the most literal sense. and if you want to reprint things and move filaments around you dont have to reslice, sync of colors |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 10:58:31 AM EDT
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Get X1C, you can do alot more with it..
I miss mine, been traveling... |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 12:17:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gaspain: because the original firmware is spyware in the most literal sense. and if you want to reprint things and move filaments around you dont have to reslice, sync of colors Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gaspain: Originally Posted By Jack_Dempsey: Why would I want to put aftermarket firmware in? And why wouldn’t I just use the slicer for the AMS? Serious questions. because the original firmware is spyware in the most literal sense. and if you want to reprint things and move filaments around you dont have to reslice, sync of colors Is there good firmware available? Does it add any functionality? |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 2:15:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -Obsessed-: OP just get the X1C. People are all like, "Get the P1S, and then get enclosure panels! Don't forget hardened hotend! Don't forget hardened hotend gears! Don't forget bed upgrade! Don't forget screen upgrade! Don't forget auxiliary parts cooling fan! Don't forget AMS!" You'd be better off just buying the X1C. At least then you get automatic filament calibration. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/467079/1000010365-3201646.jpg P1S has the panels, hardened hotend, no hardened extruder though, and a part cooling fan. I hardly use the screen on mine, so that's no big issue. P1P is the one lacking all those features. It's worth the extra going from the P1P to the P1S, but P1S to X1C is a maybe. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 2:17:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -Obsessed-: A lot of folks don't understand the true need for proper calibration at these speeds. The amount of pressure differential necessary at these speeds requires a very dialed in K value. An incorrect k value can lead to under extrusion, over extrusion, bad geometry in corners, and corners that are radiused when they shouldn't be or bulged. Often all four of these can exist in the same print. K value also can change enough between rolls, or even within the same roll at different wetnesses. Flow calibration alone is worth $600. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -Obsessed-: Originally Posted By Jack_Dempsey: The P1S already has enclosure panels. Yeah, I’d probably upgrade to hardened hotend and gears. But those are all relatively cheap and easy, from what I understand. Bed upgrade? You mean the subject of this thread? Something else? I’m not convinced the screen is worth it for me. Tell me more about the auxiliary parts cooling fan? I would get the AMS bundled. Automatic filament calibration seems like it’d be nice, but I’m not convinced it’s $600 nice. A lot of folks don't understand the true need for proper calibration at these speeds. The amount of pressure differential necessary at these speeds requires a very dialed in K value. An incorrect k value can lead to under extrusion, over extrusion, bad geometry in corners, and corners that are radiused when they shouldn't be or bulged. Often all four of these can exist in the same print. K value also can change enough between rolls, or even within the same roll at different wetnesses. Flow calibration alone is worth $600. If you stick with the same filament brand I haven't seen much issues needing to adjust K value between rolls or colors much. Now definitely I recommend calibrating everything for any filament. I've found Bambu's own profiles for their own filament to be off. My P1S has been awesome. I just wish it had a chamber heater like my QIDI XPlus3. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 5:46:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: gaspain]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack_Dempsey: Is there good firmware available? Does it add any functionality? https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=x1plus I don't have it because I have a dumb p1s. 
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Posted: 9/15/2024 7:03:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: -Obsessed-]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By memsu: P1S has the panels, hardened hotend, no hardened extruder though, and a part cooling fan. I hardly use the screen on mine, so that's no big issue. P1P is the one lacking all those features. It's worth the extra going from the P1P to the P1S, but P1S to X1C is a maybe. I get the two mixed up. My bad. I'd still opt for X1C but that's just me. When you print as much as I do the cost of the printer is inconsequential to total cost of the hobby. My MK3S+ I ran over $8000 of filament through. Still works too. 
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Posted: 9/17/2024 7:22:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -Obsessed-: I get the two mixed up. My bad. I'd still opt for X1C but that's just me. When you print as much as I do the cost of the printer is inconsequential to total cost of the hobby. My MK3S+ I ran over $8000 of filament through. Still works too. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -Obsessed-: Originally Posted By memsu: P1S has the panels, hardened hotend, no hardened extruder though, and a part cooling fan. I hardly use the screen on mine, so that's no big issue. P1P is the one lacking all those features. It's worth the extra going from the P1P to the P1S, but P1S to X1C is a maybe. I get the two mixed up. My bad. I'd still opt for X1C but that's just me. When you print as much as I do the cost of the printer is inconsequential to total cost of the hobby. My MK3S+ I ran over $8000 of filament through. Still works too. Pretty much. I’d conservatively say I already spent 2 times what I paid for the X1 in filament. I have to find something to do with all these left over spools. |
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Posted: 9/23/2024 8:24:49 PM EDT
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Never met a P1S owner who regretted not getting an X1C
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Posted: Yesterday 4:03:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -Obsessed-: A lot of folks don't understand the true need for proper calibration at these speeds. The amount of pressure differential necessary at these speeds requires a very dialed in K value. An incorrect k value can lead to under extrusion, over extrusion, bad geometry in corners, and corners that are radiused when they shouldn't be or bulged. Often all four of these can exist in the same print. K value also can change enough between rolls, or even within the same roll at different wetnesses. Flow calibration alone is worth $600. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -Obsessed-: Originally Posted By Jack_Dempsey: The P1S already has enclosure panels. Yeah, I’d probably upgrade to hardened hotend and gears. But those are all relatively cheap and easy, from what I understand. Bed upgrade? You mean the subject of this thread? Something else? I’m not convinced the screen is worth it for me. Tell me more about the auxiliary parts cooling fan? I would get the AMS bundled. Automatic filament calibration seems like it’d be nice, but I’m not convinced it’s $600 nice. A lot of folks don't understand the true need for proper calibration at these speeds. The amount of pressure differential necessary at these speeds requires a very dialed in K value. An incorrect k value can lead to under extrusion, over extrusion, bad geometry in corners, and corners that are radiused when they shouldn't be or bulged. Often all four of these can exist in the same print. K value also can change enough between rolls, or even within the same roll at different wetnesses. Flow calibration alone is worth $600. And the lidar first layer check is great. I no longer have to spend 45 minutes watching the printer during the entire startup cycle to ensure proper adhesion. I just load up my random filament into the AMS and hit print. Kharn |
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Posted: Yesterday 4:45:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By norseman1: Never met a P1S owner who regretted not getting an X1C Never met an X1C owner who regretted getting an X1C. So there! 
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Posted: Yesterday 8:39:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -Obsessed-: Never met an X1C owner who regretted getting an X1C. So there! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -Obsessed-: Originally Posted By norseman1: Never met a P1S owner who regretted not getting an X1C Never met an X1C owner who regretted getting an X1C. So there! That $300 order to Bambu's website the night after I got home with mine for all the hotends, additional Bambu filaments, vibration feet, empty spools, spare thermisistors, heaters, etc hurt a bit. But in for a penny, in for a pound. Kharn |
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Posted: Yesterday 8:54:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kharn: And the lidar first layer check is great. I no longer have to spend 45 minutes watching the printer during the entire startup cycle to ensure proper adhesion. I just load up my random filament into the AMS and hit print. Kharn I hit print on my Prusa printers and walk away with confidence 
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Posted: Yesterday 9:47:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rat_Patrol: I hit print on my Prusa printers and walk away with confidence Yeah I don't use it as much for that. Prusa is rock solid with that, unless you accidentally use the wrong filament profile which I did on two occasions. Auto calibration of k-value is insanely nice though. And speghetti detection is nice. And skip object is useful too. |
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Posted: Yesterday 10:18:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Rat_Patrol]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -Obsessed-: Yeah I don't use it as much for that. Prusa is rock solid with that, unless you accidentally use the wrong filament profile which I did on two occasions. Auto calibration of k-value is insanely nice though. And speghetti detection is nice. And skip object is useful too. |
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