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Posted: 4/2/2019 1:44:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Now they find the bino's.  |
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Posted: 4/2/2019 3:17:51 PM EDT
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Jury is still out on that. A dead calm sea and atmospheric lensing doomed the titanic. |
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Posted: 4/2/2019 3:58:10 PM EDT
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Could Ballard really have claimed the wreck and kept others away? Wouldn't it have been some kind of salvage claim, and for that do you need to actually salvage something?
I know he was dead set against removing anything, at least that's what he said at the time. |
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Posted: 4/2/2019 4:10:50 PM EDT
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I got a piece of the Ark for sale if your interested. |
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Posted: 4/2/2019 4:15:44 PM EDT
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Could Ballard really have claimed the wreck and kept others away? Wouldn't it have been some kind of salvage claim, and for that do you need to actually salvage something? I know he was dead set against removing anything, at least that's what he said at the time. IIRC they were actually working for the DOD/Navy to film the Scorpion wreck. I could be wrong but I think that's what I read. |
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Posted: 4/2/2019 4:26:54 PM EDT
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Could Ballard really have claimed the wreck and kept others away? Wouldn't it have been some kind of salvage claim, and for that do you need to actually salvage something? I know he was dead set against removing anything, at least that's what he said at the time. |
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Posted: 4/2/2019 4:27:33 PM EDT
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Could Ballard really have claimed the wreck and kept others away? Wouldn't it have been some kind of salvage claim, and for that do you need to actually salvage something? I know he was dead set against removing anything, at least that's what he said at the time. |
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Posted: 4/2/2019 4:35:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He's written that he could have and regrets not doing it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Ballard Other source "" According to National Geographic, under these circumstances, the first the first people to bring an object from the wreck to the surface have exclusive salvage rights to the wreck. https://www.azula.com/who-owns-titanic-2586074881.html |
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Posted: 4/2/2019 4:40:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is all here, he didn't know about the nut coal though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Ballard Other source "" According to National Geographic, under these circumstances, the first the first people to bring an object from the wreck to the surface have exclusive salvage rights to the wreck. https://www.azula.com/who-owns-titanic-2586074881.html 
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Posted: 4/2/2019 4:47:41 PM EDT
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THATS CALLED NUT COAL, BIG SHIPS BURN BIG COAL. THATS THE SIZE YOU BURN IN A KITCHEN COAL STOVE. I BURN BIGGER COAL THEN THAT IN OUR PARLOR STOVE. OF COURSE THEY MIGHT HAVE HAD BIG LUMPS AND CRACKED THEM INTO 4 PIECES FOR PROFIT . THE BIG SHIPS AND FOUNDRYS BURN EGG COAL. COAL IS SOLD BY THE SIZE RICE,BUCK,PEA,NUT,STOVE, AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST EGG. I LIVE RIGHT IN THE HEART OF THE COAL REGION AND ALWAYS HAVE. IF I WASNT SO TIRED I WOULD GO TAKE PICTURES OF BUCK (I BURN THAT IN A STOKER) AND SOME STOVE COAL (I BURN IN THE PARLOR STOVE) 
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Posted: 4/2/2019 4:47:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good read. Thanks for the link. I was at Mote Marine in school, and he did a live satellite show with us. He seemed like a really interesting guy. |
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Posted: 4/2/2019 5:06:37 PM EDT
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https://www.bestofvegas.com/common_resources/resize_library/titanic-artifact-exhibition-big-piece-1050x420.jpg http://i.hurimg.com/i/hdn/75/0x0/59c690fd45d2a027e8395d02.jpg https://caveviews.blogs.com/.a/6a00d8341bffd953ef016760387d96970b-pi https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c8/1d/96/c81d96177487e2a88f92b3bc018ad8b6.jpg http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wvwhyah-7sE/Tq6dCLudisI/AAAAAAAANe0/rMoENK8QgdY/s1600/cards.jpg https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/180920064820-01-titanic-artifact-file.jpg |
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Posted: 4/2/2019 5:17:38 PM EDT
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Wow. I know it's in frigid water, but I'm impressed how well preserved that stuff is. 
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Posted: 4/2/2019 5:19:20 PM EDT
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THATS CALLED NUT COAL, BIG SHIPS BURN BIG COAL. THATS THE SIZE YOU BURN IN A KITCHEN COAL STOVE. I BURN BIGGER COAL THEN THAT IN OUR PARLOR STOVE. OF COURSE THEY MIGHT HAVE HAD BIG LUMPS AND CRACKED THEM INTO 4 PIECES FOR PROFIT . THE BIG SHIPS AND FOUNDRYS BURN EGG COAL. COAL IS SOLD BY THE SIZE RICE,BUCK,PEA,NUT,STOVE, AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST EGG. I LIVE RIGHT IN THE HEART OF THE COAL REGION AND ALWAYS HAVE. IF I WASNT SO TIRED I WOULD GO TAKE PICTURES OF BUCK (I BURN THAT IN A STOKER) AND SOME STOVE COAL (I BURN IN THE PARLOR STOVE) |
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Posted: 4/2/2019 5:29:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I love ARF. I was fascinated by story as a child. Of course as I got older and more read on the subject it became just another wreck. Ballard also found the Bismark, and that one really caught my imagination. I was at Mote Marine in school, and he did a live satellite show with us. He seemed like a really interesting guy. I was getting ready to go to college when Dr. Ballard found her. That excited me she was found but bummed me out because I dreamed of finding her. Dr. Ballard killed my childhood dream and caused me to become a miscreant.
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Posted: 4/2/2019 5:34:49 PM EDT
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Me too. I saw the movie A Night To Remember and got the bug when I was little. I read the book A Night to Remember by Walter Lord dozens of times. I got maps trying to figure out where she might rest. I was getting ready to go to college when Dr. Ballard found her. That excited me she was found but bummed me out because I dreamed of finding her. Dr. Ballard killed my childhood dream and caused me to become a miscreant. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I love ARF. I was fascinated by story as a child. Of course as I got older and more read on the subject it became just another wreck. Ballard also found the Bismark, and that one really caught my imagination. I was at Mote Marine in school, and he did a live satellite show with us. He seemed like a really interesting guy. I was getting ready to go to college when Dr. Ballard found her. That excited me she was found but bummed me out because I dreamed of finding her. Dr. Ballard killed my childhood dream and caused me to become a miscreant.
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Posted: 4/2/2019 5:35:07 PM EDT
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Who the fuck has a parlor in this, or even last, century?
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Posted: 4/2/2019 5:39:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That bastard! I did end up on a submarine just not the type I thought I would.
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Posted: 4/2/2019 5:45:30 PM EDT
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I know right. I did end up on a submarine just not the type I thought I would. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: That bastard! I did end up on a submarine just not the type I thought I would. 
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Posted: 4/2/2019 5:48:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This, this will come in handy.
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Posted: 4/2/2019 5:54:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/2/2019 5:55:34 PM EDT
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I wonder how many hundreds of thousands of years it took for the earth to make that lump of coal for you and all the other yahoos to take and destroy the ecology of the wreck  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/2/2019 6:04:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Me too. I saw the movie A Night To Remember and got the bug when I was little. I read the book A Night to Remember by Walter Lord dozens of times. I got maps trying to figure out where she might rest. I was getting ready to go to college when Dr. Ballard found her. That excited me she was found but bummed me out because I dreamed of finding her. Dr. Ballard killed my childhood dream and caused me to become a miscreant. Could you find the civil war gold
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Posted: 4/2/2019 6:05:58 PM EDT
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I wonder how many hundreds of thousands of years it took for the earth to make that lump of coal for you and all the other yahoos to take and destroy the ecology of the wreck |
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Posted: 4/2/2019 6:07:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am sorry Could you find the civil war gold
Edit: This thread is a riot. 
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Posted: 4/2/2019 6:09:37 PM EDT
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OK, I'll be that guy and ask: What is this from? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder how many hundreds of thousands of years it took for the earth to make that lump of coal for you and all the other yahoos to take and destroy the ecology of the wreck |
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Posted: 4/2/2019 6:11:44 PM EDT
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Who the fuck has a parlor in this, or even last, century?  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/2/2019 6:38:10 PM EDT
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Coal story, bro.
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Posted: 4/2/2019 6:43:53 PM EDT
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THATS CALLED NUT COAL, BIG SHIPS BURN BIG COAL. THATS THE SIZE YOU BURN IN A KITCHEN COAL STOVE. I BURN BIGGER COAL THEN THAT IN OUR PARLOR STOVE. OF COURSE THEY MIGHT HAVE HAD BIG LUMPS AND CRACKED THEM INTO 4 PIECES FOR PROFIT . THE BIG SHIPS AND FOUNDRYS BURN EGG COAL. COAL IS SOLD BY THE SIZE RICE,BUCK,PEA,NUT,STOVE, AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST EGG. I LIVE RIGHT IN THE HEART OF THE COAL REGION AND ALWAYS HAVE. IF I WASNT SO TIRED I WOULD GO TAKE PICTURES OF BUCK (I BURN THAT IN A STOKER) AND SOME STOVE COAL (I BURN IN THE PARLOR STOVE) |
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Posted: 4/2/2019 6:45:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/2/2019 6:45:08 PM EDT
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IF IT'S ON THE BOTTOM OF THE OCEAN, IT'S FAIR GAME. SAME THING FOR THE MOON. . . . . . . . I checked. |
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Posted: 4/3/2019 12:58:17 PM EDT
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IIRC sea pressure is 44 psi per 100ft. Any bodies on the ship were pulverized and liquefied long before reaching the seabed. As far as salvage goes we recycle cars that people have died in. We don't leave them on the streets. If souls are imbedded into the ship and the artifacts, what about all the people that have died at sea and never recovered. Are we swimming in souls when we go to the beach? We display dead bodies (mummies) in museums, unearth ancient cities and recover lost gold from Spanish galleons. We have raised and salvaged sunken submarines just for info on the enemy. We even salvage body parts for transplants. We keep urns with loved ones ashes as memorials. I'm not seeing an issue with some black rocks that may or may not have been from the wreck of the Titanic. I keep mine as a memorial in my office and as a reminder of man's arrogance. It reminds me that I never know everything and nothing is perfect. That in my opinion is the Titanic's greatest legacy. |
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Posted: 4/3/2019 1:11:05 PM EDT
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Kinda sad that the wreck will be almost completely gone in 15-20 years. Apparently its deteriorating at a very fast rate.
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Posted: 4/3/2019 1:36:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This, this will come in handy. |
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Posted: 4/3/2019 2:19:54 PM EDT
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Kinda sad that the wreck will be almost completely gone in 15-20 years. Apparently its deteriorating at a very fast rate. |
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Posted: 4/3/2019 7:24:03 PM EDT
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Scavenging stuff preserves it.
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Posted: 4/3/2019 9:21:26 PM EDT
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Burning more coal does not require a ship to go faster. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So, according to that article, the Titanic was going really fast because they had to shovel the burning coal into the "furnace" really fast to fight the fire... https://thei535project.files.wordpress.com/2018/09/20180920_161542.jpg?w=700 |
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Posted: 4/3/2019 10:04:43 PM EDT
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 Titanic Sinks |
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Posted: 4/3/2019 10:13:09 PM EDT
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There are different ways of riveting hulls than having huge rivets protruding especially near or below the waterline. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't believe everything you're told sheeple. The hull of the Titanic was not riveted: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/475058/IMG_5309_JPG-898228.jpg Construction on the Titanic began in 1909 and she launched in 1911. Do you have any examples of flush-rivets or blind-rivets from this time period? |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 9:21:09 AM EDT
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The flush rivet was invented in the 1920's and the blind rivet even later. Construction on the Titanic began in 1909 and she launched in 1911. Do you have any examples of flush-rivets or blind-rivets from this time period? |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 12:17:46 PM EDT
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The flush rivet was invented in the 1920's and the blind rivet even later. Construction on the Titanic began in 1909 and she launched in 1911. Do you have any examples of flush-rivets or blind-rivets from this time period? 
https://www.maritimequest.com/liners/olympic_page_5.htm Looks like rivet holes to me without plainly obvious rivets on surrounding plates. Kinda coincides with everybody including those that have seen the wreck in person that it was hull plates buckling and rivets failing that did her in. Larger warships (as in cruisers) did not have welded hulls until after WWI and they had teething problems with the technology then. |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 1:09:30 PM EDT
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Who's law prevents me from privately acquiring (disregard the monetary/logistic problem) "artifacts" from the titanic? Is the queen going to send the royal marines to storm my house? Will uncle sam send his cronies to shoot my dog? Spain going to sue me into poverty? https://www.thejournal.ie/who-owns-the-titanic-and-who-can-dive-at-the-wreck-404369-Apr2012/ |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 1:20:42 PM EDT
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This is kinda disturbing IMO. The Titanic is a grave site and should be left alone, there's over 1500 dead people there. |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 1:57:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Burning more coal does not require a ship to go faster. They had to turn that coal into miles, in order to make port. |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 2:05:19 PM EDT
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I'm not sure he could have claimed it. The Titanic expedition was actually cover for Woods Hole. IIRC they were actually working for the DOD/Navy to film the Scorpion wreck. I could be wrong but I think that's what I read. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Could Ballard really have claimed the wreck and kept others away? Wouldn't it have been some kind of salvage claim, and for that do you need to actually salvage something? I know he was dead set against removing anything, at least that's what he said at the time. IIRC they were actually working for the DOD/Navy to film the Scorpion wreck. I could be wrong but I think that's what I read. He found / filmed both ships ahead of schedule and since they had some more time left in the budget he was allowed to search for the Titanic: Once Ballard had completed his mission—if time was left—Thunman said, Ballard could do what he wanted, but never gave him explicit permission to search for the Titanic.
Ballard said Navy Secretary John Lehman knew of the plan. "But the Navy never expected me to find the Titanic, and so when that happened, they got really nervous because of the publicity," Ballard said.
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/11/titanic-nuclear-submarine-scorpion-thresher-ballard/ |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 2:07:41 PM EDT
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I'm kind of amazed at the casual attitude here on Arfcom toward removing items from the Titanic. Would you be so cavalier if someone wanted to go souvenir hunting on the USS Arizona? |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 2:10:40 PM EDT
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That's cool I remember the Titanic attraction selling them in the gift shop a while back. |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 2:12:37 PM EDT
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Nut coal is such great copypasta
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Posted: 4/4/2019 2:13:23 PM EDT
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Who's law prevents me from privately acquiring (disregard the monetary/logistic problem) "artifacts" from the titanic? Is the queen going to send the royal marines to storm my house? Will uncle sam send his cronies to shoot my dog? Spain going to sue me into poverty? It is not "illegal" to take relics, but for someone subject to the jurisdiction of the United states - that would be citizens , or companies or individuals operating in the United States - the company's permission would be needed first, otherwise it is theft. The company is not compelled to grant such permission. |
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Posted: 4/4/2019 2:15:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess I do not understand your premise with the Titanic. It could have been Dr. Robert Ballard's wreck, he did not do it. I personally do not want anything off it. Now that civil war gold in lake Michigan? We were manipulating Japans markets and stopped oil to their island. We knew what was coming too. |
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