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Link Posted: 1/10/2019 4:21:31 PM EST
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The BOR was drafted and ratified as negatives against the newly created federal government only and had no bearing on state or local laws.

It wasn’t until 1925 that the courts “invented” what we now know as incorporation doctrine out of thin air.

Prior to this perversion of the law it was up to the constitutions of the several states (which in many cases pre-dated the US Constitution) to restrict state or local infringements of the rights of the citizenry.

So… in 1881, in a US Territory, if a local town marshal banned guns within city / town limits it would have absolutely NOT been a violation of the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution.
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Do you believe the Constitution applied at all to a territory? Would inter-state commerce be covered when states dealt with a territory during the 1880s? A lot has changed since then, and we are sorting this out through a soup of history. To be honest, I'm not sure how much of our Constitution is applied to US territories today. I've never visited one, nor thought about it until now.
Link Posted: 1/10/2019 4:22:12 PM EST
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That's one of the articles which shade how the west handled gun control. I don't have one definitive link for my position, I've read a lot of old west researchers over the years. So you can take my version with a large grain of salt.

Note that these strict gun laws are only carry laws, usually only open carry. Outlawing open carry has been considered Constitutional since the Aymette decision in 1838. That's the Aymette decision referenced in Miller and Heller.

That article makes it seem gun control was the reason for low murder rates, when it really was the increase in the number of women and children which changed towns from lawless areas to civilized towns. The desire to attract females is a great civilizing force. Actually, women are the great civilizing force, and the desire for women will make the men accept it.

For example, Dodge City was unbelievably safe on one side of the Deadline RR tracks. Crime was almost unheard of where the 'respectable' people lived with their families. Crimes against 'proper' women was essentially zero.

Gun control was unevenly applied on the bad side of town, some years it was essentially unenforced, and some years it was fairly strictly enforced. It was always enforced when someone walked across the tracks into the 'good' side of town. One report I read was where a cowboy was drinking in a saloon while open carrying, and then decided to take a tour of the nice part of town. He didn't make it 10 steps across the deadline before he was buffaloed from behind and taken to jail.

In the 17 years of Dodge City as a tough cowtown, they averaged less than one murder per year, but there was one year with 5 murders. Those 5 murders were all connected together in the same range war and retaliations for shootings.
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North side versus south side of the tracks?  I would think the north side would be the good side of town and the south side would be the bad based on Dodge as it is now but I don't know that for sure.  I've been to Dodge lots of times but I didn't live there.
Link Posted: 1/10/2019 4:33:07 PM EST
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Dana Delany seems to have aged well
Link Posted: 1/11/2019 11:17:03 AM EST
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North side versus south side of the tracks?  I would think the north side would be the good side of town and the south side would be the bad based on Dodge as it is now but I don't know that for sure.  I've been to Dodge lots of times but I didn't live there.
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That's one of the articles which shade how the west handled gun control. I don't have one definitive link for my position, I've read a lot of old west researchers over the years. So you can take my version with a large grain of salt.

Note that these strict gun laws are only carry laws, usually only open carry. Outlawing open carry has been considered Constitutional since the Aymette decision in 1838. That's the Aymette decision referenced in Miller and Heller.

That article makes it seem gun control was the reason for low murder rates, when it really was the increase in the number of women and children which changed towns from lawless areas to civilized towns. The desire to attract females is a great civilizing force. Actually, women are the great civilizing force, and the desire for women will make the men accept it.

For example, Dodge City was unbelievably safe on one side of the Deadline RR tracks. Crime was almost unheard of where the 'respectable' people lived with their families. Crimes against 'proper' women was essentially zero.

Gun control was unevenly applied on the bad side of town, some years it was essentially unenforced, and some years it was fairly strictly enforced. It was always enforced when someone walked across the tracks into the 'good' side of town. One report I read was where a cowboy was drinking in a saloon while open carrying, and then decided to take a tour of the nice part of town. He didn't make it 10 steps across the deadline before he was buffaloed from behind and taken to jail.

In the 17 years of Dodge City as a tough cowtown, they averaged less than one murder per year, but there was one year with 5 murders. Those 5 murders were all connected together in the same range war and retaliations for shootings.
North side versus south side of the tracks?  I would think the north side would be the good side of town and the south side would be the bad based on Dodge as it is now but I don't know that for sure.  I've been to Dodge lots of times but I didn't live there.
I'm not sure, but I think the Long Branch was north of the deadline.

ETA: LB was north of Deadline. The map is blurry, but you can see that that sign announcing no carry in Dodge City would have not been on the edge of town.:



ETA2: The Long Branch is in the second building from the intersection. Earlier I said it was the third, I think at some point it was the third business from the intersection. I'll have to try and find the old picture showing that.
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