Trump declares victory in historic deal with Greenland as he secures 'permanent' US military rights (Page 4 of 5)
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Originally Posted By dwhitehorne: It will be interesting to see if Canada tries to open that door with their new Chinese buds. Originally Posted By dwhitehorne: Originally Posted By DK-Prof: There was exactly ZERO chance of China, Russia or anyone else being allowed to establish bases or maintain troops in a territory owned by a NATO member. It will be interesting to see if Canada tries to open that door with their new Chinese buds. That will be the end of Canada as we know it. |
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This is how Trump does it / did it... The Greenland deal is Classic Trump 101: start with the wild ask — “we should own Greenland” — get everybody freaking out, and then negotiate toward what you really want. And what did he want? A bigger, permanent U.S. security footprint in Greenland and a way to keep China and Russia out. You can hate the style, but this is how he deals: start huge, create leverage, then land the part you actually came for.
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Originally Posted By scrambler28: So the statehood threat worked after all. Lol Seems to have done so. We pretty much had carte blanche there for defense anyhow. The expansion over the old 40s or 50’s defense agreements are the exclusion of Russia and China. Now they cannot worm in there for mining or other similar developments. All that and we as far as I know don’t have to pick up the Greenlander’s welfare that Denmark pays for. Denmark totally subsidizes their socialism. |
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Why Greenland and Trumps Greenland deal is so important -Arctic sealanes -Golden dome -Critical resources like rare earth minerals ◾️on the map you can see the retreating icecap has opened shippinglanes for periods of the year. Greenland offers a place to monitor and restrict Russian and Chinese naval and submarine movements through the strategic North Atlantic sea corridor (known as the GIUK gap). And it complements Alaska to exert strategic control of the Arctic waters. ◾️The map also shows why Greenland is crucial for Trumps golden dome project, Us missile shield. ▶️Polar Flight Path: Sits directly under the shortest trajectory incoming missiles would take over the North Pole to hit the U.S. ▶️Safe Interception: Allows intercepting missiles in space so toxic debris falls over Arctic ice instead of American cities. ▶️Satellite Tracking Hub: Offers frequent, direct communication with polar-orbiting satellites tracking incoming threats. ▶️Perfect Laser Conditions: Features cold, dry, ultra-clear air that optimizes advanced laser and sensor tracking. ▶️Existing Radar Base: Leverages the Pituffik Space Base to feed early-warning radar data straight into the defense shield. ◾️Greenland holds some of the world's largest untapped reserves of rare earth minerals, including critical metals like lithium, titanium, cobalt, and nickel.These minerals are vital for advanced electronics, electric vehicle batteries, and defense technology. Acquiring influence over these reserves reduces U.S. reliance on China, which currently dominates the global supply chain. 
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Originally Posted By cyclone: Good.......now let's take Canada ! Now, why would we want to do that? A good portion (in the east) has grown accustomed to socialism. Besides, a good portion of them still think that they're 18th-century Frenchmen. I could seriously see making overtures to the Western Third, though. |
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Originally Posted By cyclone: Denmark will probably get some nice fighter planes Originally Posted By cyclone: Originally Posted By Northcountry06: So do you think this was basically a case of Trump asking for more than he ever thought he'd end up with, as part of a negotiating tactic? I wonder what he'd have ended up with if he had just asked for permanent military rights in the first place. I'm guessing something less than that Denmark will probably get some nice fighter planes No doubt. |
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TDS Tards- "We alreay had military bases is Greenland ..." This deal isn't about bases in Greenland. Like Venezuela and the Panama Canal, this is about countering China in the Western Hemisphere. We don't need Venezuelian oil, but China is no longer getting it at below market value. We don't need to own the Panama Canal, but a Chinese company is no longer operating it. We already have military bases in Greenland, but China is now blocked from extracting strategically critical minerals from there. Look at the bigger picture. This deal isn't about what the US can do, it's about being able to dictate what our main adversary can't do. |
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Originally Posted By Eponymous: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HSibLRGbcAAXtZM?format=jpg&name=small So? hasn't that pretty much been the case since the beginning of the Cold War? |
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Originally Posted By DK-Prof: lol All of that could have been had for the asking. Acting like a dick and threatening to take it with force (against a NATO ally) and insisting that the U.S. was going to "own" the island - only to settle for basing right that they U.S. pretty much already had - seems like he damaged the relationship - and US reputation - for little to no benefit. What he did get from playing hardball was that Denmark will now station a few more troops on the island, which they have never bothered to do before, and possibly beef up the Naval presence there as well . But I'm not convinced that an extra handful of boots on the ground, and maybe an extra cutter and occasionally frigate patrol, will by much more than symbolic.  Honestly, I think Trump played this all wrong. What could have worked MUCH better would have been to start secret talks with the Greenland local (autonomous) government, and offered them all kinds of sweet deals, investments, etc. - if they declared independence from Denmark (which Denmark would have granted immediately), and then sign close bilateral agreements with them as soon as they become independent. That could have resulted in stuff like the Vieques or Guantanamo deals - like 100 year leases and complete control, and Greenland would probably have been willing to give the U.S. total control over big pieces of Greenland to build military bases, ports, etc. Plus, they could probably have been convinced - in exchange for investments and welfare - to give the U.S. some exclusive mining rights for all kinds of stuff. Heck, a deal like that could EVENTUALLY result in Greenland becoming a U.S. protectorate, or even fully owned - like Guam - in the long run. U.S. control over Greenland - whether by direct ownership, or by what I described above - would be a MUCH BETTER outcome for everyone involved (including Denmark) instead of this "same old" agreement that gives the U.S. basing and overflight rights that we already had. It's a shame, because it's such a wasted opportunity. I do think there was a way for Greenland to have eventually become part of the U.S. - but it was handled in a really dumb way, IMO. Agreed that the blustery BS talk was way more detrimental than any benefits. The exclusion of Chinese mining was the one big perk. Iirc they had contracts but were stalled by Greenlanders green minded government, same as US mining companies efforts of expansion. I’m not so sure the Greenlander’s approval on certain projects were always possible. Granted didn’t we sink a nuke power plant through the ice back in the day? I get the local skepticism. Now if we build them some roads and our military boys can drive to the local towns to soak up the local booze we can aid on the expansion of their genetic pool. 
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Honestly, Canada is already basically the 51st state and should just make it official instead of wasting time trying to buddy up with the EU. Look at the numbers: 75% of Canadian exports go straight to the U.S., and NORAD already handles continental defense under one roof. Trying to pivot to Europe makes zero sense. You can’t trade the perks of a shared land border for a massive regulatory maze and high shipping costs an entire ocean away.
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Originally Posted By JLAudio: A deal with Iran A deal with China A deal with Canada They just laugh at him and us Originally Posted By JLAudio: Originally Posted By KonamiCode: Originally Posted By DmL5:  No, Trump negotiates by asking for something ludicrous ("ludacris" is a rapper), then he backs down when he doesn't get it, then he declares victory anyway. And gullible morons eat it up, thinking he accomplished something. Same exact thing he did with Canada, China, Iran, etc. What did he ask for that he didn’t get? ETA: beat A deal with Iran A deal with China A deal with Canada They just laugh at him and us Yes they do. |
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Originally Posted By AlvinYork: Now, why would we want to do that? A good portion (in the east) has grown accustomed to socialism. Besides, a good portion of them still think that they're 18th-century Frenchmen. I could seriously see making overtures to the Western Third, though. Originally Posted By AlvinYork: Originally Posted By cyclone: Good.......now let's take Canada ! Now, why would we want to do that? A good portion (in the east) has grown accustomed to socialism. Besides, a good portion of them still think that they're 18th-century Frenchmen. I could seriously see making overtures to the Western Third, though. We only want the good oarts.......Alberta and Saskatchewan.......the rest we will leave alone |
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Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Uh huh. So China doing some business in Greenland had you concerned they were going to take over and install MIG bases in a Denmark / NATO territory nation? Just as a headsup, China does business in every allied nation in the world, including heavily in the USA. Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By JamPo: Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By cyclone: Originally Posted By BobRoberts: Originally Posted By wheel: Well he did accomplish something here. If you're trying to spin it otherwise, that's foolish. So we get basing rights in a location we already had carte Blanche to base, and where no non NATO country was attempting to set up facilities, so what exactly was the win? It keeps China from doing a belt, road and lutefisk initiative Like that was ever on the table. This is like saying after much negotiations, the US now has a permanent agreement with Germany to have military bases there while baring Russia and China from same. This is an absurd victory declaration, and everyone is acting like we won the moon. It's a bit... wow; to see the reactions actually. It is amazing the people that will shit on everything without knowing the details. “China has not actively mined or held exclusive rights to operational mineral projects in Greenland, but it maintained significant financial stakes and strategic interest in key rare earth and iron ore deposits as part of its "Polar Silk Road" Arctic strategy.” @lazyengineer User name fits Uh huh. So China doing some business in Greenland had you concerned they were going to take over and install MIG bases in a Denmark / NATO territory nation? Just as a headsup, China does business in every allied nation in the world, including heavily in the USA. China anything has their military and other spies all throughout. If they had a mining site and buildings I’m pretty certain they would be spying and doing electronic surveillance of our operations. They do that shit all the time. Mining survey flights or supply flights would wander near bases etc. |
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Originally Posted By DmL5: Yeah, until a certain orange retard forced them to. Originally Posted By DmL5: Originally Posted By cyclone: Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By cyclone: Originally Posted By BobRoberts: Originally Posted By wheel: Well he did accomplish something here. If you're trying to spin it otherwise, that's foolish. So we get basing rights in a location we already had carte Blanche to base, and where no non NATO country was attempting to set up facilities, so what exactly was the win? It keeps China from doing a belt, road and lutefisk initiative Like that was ever on the table. This is like saying after much negotiations, the US now has a permanent agreement with Germany to have military bases there while baring Russia and China from same. This is an absurd victory declaration, and everyone is acting like we won the moon. It's a bit... wow; to see the reactions actually. No one ever thought they would see Canada cozy up to the Chinese either...... Yeah, until a certain orange retard forced them to. They were already doing so, importing Chinese cars, Chinese people, and laundering Chinese steel and aluminum as Canadaian made to circumvent US tariffs. Canadian government was always pretty comfortable doing heavy handed shit on their people. Their intelligence and security people were quite heavy handed going back in to WW2, granted they were just a dominion then. Now they’re a mostly independent dominion. |
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Originally Posted By Dissident: Didn’t he also want mineral rights? This is a good deal, but I do have to wonder if we had just approached them with the proposal in the first place, we might have avoided a lot of the BS. Already happening. Trump’s Greenland deal follows US firm’s purchase of rare-earth metals mine there By Geoff Earle Published Sep. 19, 2026, 9:56 a.m. ET Click To View Spoiler Greenland Mines closes acquisition of Sarfartoq rare earth magnet project Staff Writer | September 2, 2026 | 4:48 pm Greenland Mines Applauds Historic U.S.-Denmark-Greenland Security Agreement, Reinforcing Greenland’s Strategic Importance to the United States PRESS RELEASE GlobeNewswire Sep. 18, 2026, 07:03 PM |
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Originally Posted By Dissident: So did the Trump deal just formalize an already in place mineral rights deal; did the prospect of a pending Trump deal compel the parties to enter into the mineral rights deal; or are people conflating the 2 to make it appear that Trump’s deal achieved more than it really did? Greenland Mines Signs Definitive Agreement to Acquire the Sarfartoq Neodymium-Praseodymium Rare Earths Project in Greenland PR Newswire - 8:30 AM ET 5/21/2026 Click To View Spoiler Around 4 months from announcement to closing. One can speculate whether or not the mineral licenses transfer would have been approved by the Greenland government without the impending Trump deal. Did the impending deal play a role in pushing the approval through? I think so given the unnecessary PR news release by the company applauding the deal and the fact that the approval for license transfer was given by the Greenland government a few weeks ago. Greenland approves rare earths license transfer to Greenland Mines Company News Published Aug 21, 2026, 02:08 PM |
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Originally Posted By cyclone: Good.......now let's take Canada ! We don’t need to incorporate the leftists of Canada into the US. Instead let’s focus on promoting that the western politically conservative provinces secede and we secure mineral rights, rights to US military bases, and a mutual defense agreement. |
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Originally Posted By Eponymous: This is how Trump does it / did it... The Greenland deal is Classic Trump 101: start with the wild ask — “we should own Greenland” — get everybody freaking out, and then negotiate toward what you really want. And what did he want? A bigger, permanent U.S. security footprint in Greenland and a way to keep China and Russia out. You can hate the style, but this is how he deals: start huge, create leverage, then land the part you actually came for.
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Originally Posted By DmL5: Lol. It's just an old geezer making up more bullshit. This is the same guy who claims we won the war with Iran 15 times per month. And says Iran is begging for a deal. And the Strait is open for business. He lies as he breathes. I feel sorry for anyone who still falls for this shit. https://i.imgur.com/Ws4DVyG.jpeg Unfuckingbelievable. You can’t accept a win because it’s Trump? This is a gigantic geopolitical win. Most importantly the barring of foreign adversary investment and involvement in Greenland. Take the win. |
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Originally Posted By KonamiCode: What did he ask for that he didn’t get? ETA: beat Originally Posted By KonamiCode: Originally Posted By DmL5: No, Trump negotiates by asking for something ludicrous ("ludacris" is a rapper), then he backs down when he doesn't get it, then he declares victory anyway. And gullible morons eat it up, thinking he accomplished something. Same exact thing he did with Canada, China, Iran, etc. What did he ask for that he didn’t get? ETA: beat Mineral rights? I don't know the particulars of the deal but if we didn't get mineral rights, the deal goes from fantastic to just good/great. It's still a pretty big win for us, but it isn't some monumental victory unless we are getting something in return for the extra protection we are providing Greenland outside of just beefing up security in our region. That said, there wasn't a ton holding us back from beefing up our military presence in Greenland to start and there was a zero percent chance non-NATO members would be welcomed there even before this agreement. |
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So the new deal is better than the old deal, including rare mineral rights, the deal stands in perpetually in time regardless of NATO, It allows us to install the needed stuff for the missile system..... go figure, once again N_T's are wrong..at some point you would think they would realize they look even worse than they think Trump looks when they TDS everything he does, and he eventually proves them wrong once again..... 
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Originally Posted By eolian: probably that's where the missile interceptor system will go in. it will need to stop the mirv warheads before they separate at apogee. That kinda paints a target on Greenland. But if everyone's honest, nobody gets to sit out the next party especially if you live on strategic ground |
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Originally Posted By DmL5: No, Trump negotiates by asking for something ludicrous ("ludacris" is a rapper), then he backs down when he doesn't get it, then he declares victory anyway. And gullible morons eat it up, thinking he accomplished something. Same exact thing he did with Canada, China, Iran, etc. . |
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I think there are 2 strategic issues other than just the radar and missile defense. China wants a stranglehold on rare earth elements. Seems like this will at a minimal prevent them from owning ports in Greenland, and probably prevent them from developing infrastructure there. Not having a port is fairly huge, as we really don't want them to have easy access to bringing in containers of drones that would shut down our defense system overnight. I don't know what no cost to the US means, because any additional defense structure is costly. If we are getting some mineral rights concessions, perhaps Trump is hoping to offset income from them to pay for the infrastructure upgrades - so no cost to the taxpayer. |
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Originally Posted By DevilsEggAdvocate: Iran is the elephant in the room. The potential wins in Greenland are pretty small. This is just another one of those satisfying bones he likes to toss to his base to make it seem like he's making progress when the negatives outweigh the positives by a lot. Deaded IRGC will fix this. Matter of time. 
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Originally Posted By MADMAXXX: Nicaragua for one place. They've done it all through Africa. |
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