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Posted: 1/15/2024 3:47:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Also he’s on record as saying he won’t have time for “retribution” so once again these guys are casting their own wishes on Trump. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So what excites you most about a second Trump term? What policy issue or agenda item has he articulated that you hope he puts at the top of the list? I hope closing the borders would be on the top of his list. Then starting deportations of illegals. But realistically I know there will be no mass deportations of illegals, how would one go about rounding them all up. Sadly the numbers of illegals allowed in during the treasonist biden administration will be enough to cause irreparable damage to our country.  What exactly does the swamp fear about Trump? He gave them promotions and pardons the last time around. Also he’s on record as saying he won’t have time for “retribution” so once again these guys are casting their own wishes on Trump. Let’s be honest now, you’re taking orange man at his word when you likely don’t believe other shit he says. He ALWAYS finds time to be a prick, a 2nd term won’t be different. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 3:47:53 PM EST
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This is a Never Trumper
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Posted: 1/15/2024 3:56:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You know what the irony of your post is ?..... the Never Trumpers act just like them . Ask a Rabid leftist Trumper hater to say anything good about the Trump presidency and they will clutch their pearls the same way Never Trumpers do on this site so THAT is an accurate representation . No logic Only emotions  Irony at it's finest on display Sorry, but that is not true. I've stated repeatedly that I am very thankful that Trump won over the Hated Hilary in 2016. That miracle win allowed Republicans (thanks to Mitch McConnell) to get three Justices onto the SCOTUS before Trump lost in 2020. Had Trump losts, we wouldn't have help with the SCOTUS. I approved completely of his Border Policy. We have to stop welcoming Criminals who break US law and treat them like unwanted pests not guests. I certainly wish that Trump had used his Presidency with Control of both the House & of the Senate to change the immigration laws to redefine & close the "refugee" loophole. Trump didn't do any of that. Also Trump should have taken away the Carrot that leads the "refugees" (Actually Economic Migrants) to the USA - the ability to Work. Fine in a VERY Significant way employers who hire Illegal Aliens and you will turn off the Magnet that draws them North. It's ALL about the Dollars Amigo! Jobs & Money!! Turn off the hiring and they can't find work, they will not have any reason to stay, especially if they are subject to effective deportation. I Approved of his desire to Challenge China on unfair trade conditions. Unfortunately Trump stupidly did the LEAST Effective thing - Tariffs. Because any president can roll them back. Had Trump worked with Congress to CHANGE the Laws so that Outsourcing (Be it China, Mexico, Vietnam, or Where ever did not receive TAX BENEFITS for doing so, instead of PENALTIES I'd have been very much more happy and it would be difficult to roll back. So there are three things right off the top. Bigger_Hammer 
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Posted: 1/15/2024 3:57:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: WOW nothing but insults and attacks from the cowardly left democrats. never seen such a bunch of traitors on a forum.... you cant even discuss anything with them without them refuting back to insults..... Trumpers don’t think they be like they is but they do. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 4:00:54 PM EST
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@Low_Country who should we vote for and why?
Desantis / Haley 2024??? McConnell / McDaniel??? Kamala / Moochelle ??? Pence / Pence???? Christie / Nougat??? |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 4:00:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is a Never Trumper https://i.postimg.cc/3WMhdwv1/21743247-1473903559356720-8861505232203402625-n.jpg That's just childish. But it Perfectly Matches the O.P. Whaa Waaahhh Waaahhhhh They don't worship my Orange Jebus!! For a Christian (as you claim), you sure follow a sordid & sinful "Leader".  Bigger_Hammer
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Posted: 1/15/2024 4:01:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Let’s be honest now, you’re taking orange man at his word when you likely don’t believe other shit he says. He ALWAYS finds time to be a prick, a 2nd term won’t be different. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So what excites you most about a second Trump term? What policy issue or agenda item has he articulated that you hope he puts at the top of the list? I hope closing the borders would be on the top of his list. Then starting deportations of illegals. But realistically I know there will be no mass deportations of illegals, how would one go about rounding them all up. Sadly the numbers of illegals allowed in during the treasonist biden administration will be enough to cause irreparable damage to our country. What exactly does the swamp fear about Trump? He gave them promotions and pardons the last time around. Also he’s on record as saying he won’t have time for “retribution” so once again these guys are casting their own wishes on Trump. Let’s be honest now, you’re taking orange man at his word when you likely don’t believe other shit he says. He ALWAYS finds time to be a prick, a 2nd term won’t be different. I generally do… I also recall (and hold in contempt) the guys who were selling us on the HPA and other things they knew we’d - as gun owners - salivate over. I get what you’re saying about the “mean tweets” and he may have just said that to briefly mollify the press and Lefties. I don’t know. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 4:02:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's just childish. But it Perfectly Matches the O.P. Whaa Waaahhh Waaahhhhh They don't worship my Orange Jebus!! For a Christian (as you claim), you sure follow a sordid & sinful "Leader". https://i.imgur.com/3QiSWES.jpg Bigger_Hammer  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 4:03:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My temporary sig line you're referring to was quoting a post from you that went something like "riddle me this: if DJT is such a lefty gun grabber, why are so many RW gun owners voting for him?" You meant it as some kind of 4D chess, but to normal people it just read as a massive self-own because we can see RW gun owners here try to articulate their reasons for still supporting Trump, and it's definitely not anything having to do with superior insight or careful reasoning.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: 37 pages of reposting swamp media, enjoying the last few days before desantis drops out. jokes on you NTs, desantis is just another proxy for GEOTUS.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1YP_zZJFXsTHATs gotta hurt. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/TrumpThicc-466.gif Schadenfreude noted. You guys gloated last time the far more conservative candidate ("Lyin' Ted" you labeled him) running dropped out too. Which is sad, because we need more real conservatives in leadership. And you have such one-track minds you didn't stop kicking at him for years for daring run against your beloved GEOTUS. Which reminds me, I've brought this up in the past: why do you continually focus on the wrong enemy - "nTs" - and not the real (and presumably, shared) one, Democrats not sure if you noticed eesmith's sig line for awhile there, but trump supporters can back the guy who's draining the swamp without just blindly going along with everything he says. the vast majority don't support gun control or taking the jab, and we're likely cruz supporters too. personally i was for ben carlson in 16 before trump won the primary. some for are for vivek, based on what he says, or against him based on the likelihood that he's just another uniparty plant. which brings us to desantis, a guy who trump made and wholeheartedly was a trump supporter for awhile, but who on the surface has turned on him- and trump in turn. there's pros and cons there, either he took too much dirty money and really broke away or he's just playing along to suck in more traitors. despite our ability to exercise discernment and think through the chess moves, that doesn't put us above needling trump haters with stuff like bump stocks, desantis, or how djt just endlessly beats the lawfare brought against him. as an NT you're either a straight up ally of the swamp or an unwitting dupe who thinks you're defending true conservatism. you're just slowing the process of draining the party of the rinos and all the corrupt DC money that completely powers the dems. You meant it as some kind of 4D chess, but to normal people it just read as a massive self-own because we can see RW gun owners here try to articulate their reasons for still supporting Trump, and it's definitely not anything having to do with superior insight or careful reasoning. how you can spend so much time following and participating in politics, yet still insist that everything is wysiwyg is beyond me. look around, there are no 'normal people' anymore. there are the awake and the rest. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 4:06:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But you are not a Never Trumper You said you don't want to see him win the nomination but he's better than the alternative Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Don't know of any leftist trump haters here. I know I've pointed out the good things Trump did in the past. It's just that none of it is enough to get me to vote for him again, especially when we have better options. But you are not a Never Trumper You said you don't want to see him win the nomination but he's better than the alternative I've been called that many times. I still don't see any NT leftists here. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 4:07:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry, but that is not true. I've stated repeatedly that I am very thankful that Trump won over the Hated Hilary in 2016. That miracle win allowed Republicans (thanks to Mitch McConnell) to get three Justices onto the SCOTUS before Trump lost in 2020. Had Trump losts, we wouldn't have help with the SCOTUS. I approved completely of his Border Policy. We have to stop welcoming Criminals who break US law and treat them like unwanted pests not guests. I certainly wish that Trump had used his Presidency with Control of both the House & of the Senate to change the immigration laws to redefine & close the "refugee" loophole. Trump didn't do any of that. Also Trump should have taken away the Carrot that leads the "refugees" (Actually Economic Migrants) to the USA - the ability to Work. Fine in a VERY Significant way employers who hire Illegal Aliens and you will turn off the Magnet that draws them North. It's ALL about the Dollars Amigo! Jobs & Money!! Turn off the hiring and they can't find work, they will not have any reason to stay, especially if they are subject to effective deportation. I Approved of his desire to Challenge China on unfair trade conditions. Unfortunately Trump stupidly did the LEAST Effective thing - Tariffs. Because any president can roll them back. Had Trump worked with Congress to CHANGE the Laws so that Outsourcing (Be it China, Mexico, Vietnam, or Where ever did not receive TAX BENEFITS for doing so, instead of PENALTIES I'd have been very much more happy and it would be difficult to roll back. So there are three things right off the top. Bigger_Hammer but you are not a Never Trumper I posted what a Never Trumper is There's only a few here .. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 4:08:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: how you can spend so much time following and participating in politics, yet still insist that everything is wysiwyg is beyond me. look around, there are no 'normal people' anymore. there are the awake and the rest. Let me guess, you’re “awake”?
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Posted: 1/15/2024 4:09:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've been called that many times. I still don't see any NT leftists here. I didn't say they were leftists I said they act like them when the word Trump is mentioned Peal clutching |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 4:10:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I generally do… I also recall (and hold in contempt) the guys who were selling us on the HPA and other things they knew we’d - as gun owners - salivate over. I get what you’re saying about the “mean tweets” and he may have just said that to briefly mollify the press and Lefties. I don’t know. The HPA was never, ever going to pass. Mussolini and Hitler couldn’t have made the HPA reality. I was disemboweled on this forum for saying so, apparently realistic points of view are “defeatist”. I feel bad for people that thought it was a realistic objective, they clearly don’t understand American politics + guns. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 4:10:22 PM EST
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Man, for a bunch of dejected ideological purists who can’t hold your nose to vote for the lesser of two evils, you guys sure do have a lot of time to uselessly complain and piss in the wind with zero effect on the election outcome.
I don’t argue with the fact that Trump is a deeply flawed human being who has made many poor and immoral choices in life. I don’t say that he is perfect or even good. But for some reason, he is the only guy who is getting the votes. Desantis and Haley just don’t have it. For career politicians, they suck at this. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 4:12:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Low_Country who should we vote for and why? Desantis / Haley 2024??? McConnell / McDaniel??? Kamala / Moochelle ??? Pence / Pence???? Christie / Nougat??? This has been done over and over. Every single issue conservatives claim to care about, DeSantis is far and away the best candidate. Fiscal responsibility, individual rights, pro-2A, pro-constitution, anti-woke, “drain the swamp”, integrity, morals, service… |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 4:16:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t say that he is perfect or even good. But for some reason, he is the only guy who is getting the votes. Now we are getting somewhere. “Getting the votes” is not an endorsement of Trump. It’s an indictment of the voters. By your own statement, it seems you’d agree with that? |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 4:21:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Man, for a bunch of dejected ideological purists who can’t hold your nose to vote for the lesser of two evils, you guys sure do have a lot of time to uselessly complain and piss in the wind with zero effect on the election outcome. I don’t argue with the fact that Trump is a deeply flawed human being who has made many poor and immoral choices in life. I don’t say that he is perfect or even good. But for some reason, he is the only guy who is getting the votes. Desantis and Haley just don’t have it. For career politicians, they suck at this. I'm most definitely a Pragmatist. RealPolitic kind of guy. Someone doesn't have to be perfect, but they should at least be good. Trump as a train wreck as President, and even worse after the lost the 2020 election. January 6th put the nails in his political return. Trump won over independents against the most hated Democrat since Jefferson Davis to barely squeak by a win in the Electoral College. No Republican has won the Total Votes since George W. Bush Vs. Kerry back in 2004. Think about that 20 years...  How will January 6th affect Independents and the Vote come November 2024? Glad you asked. Trump & January 6th TV Commercial for 2024 Commercial Starts - Sunny Morning with Blue Skies - camera slowly drops down to see Large Beautiful American flag flying proudly in the skies, then drops down further to show it is atop the US Capitol building. Patriotic Americas feel pride in our Nation & our Capitol. Announcer - On January 6th, 2021 - after losing the 2020 Presidential Election, Donald Trump & his "Team Crazy" called Thousands of his most loyal supporters - including the Proud Boys & Three Percenter Militia - groups know for violence - to Washington D.C. Trump sound alike - "Come to D.C. January 6th - It will be WILD!" Announcer - Trump promised his loyal supporters he would walk down to the Capitol with them - but instead Trump retreated into the White House to watch the Chaos he had set into motion. Cut away to scenes of Trump Attire Clad Rioters beating on the Capitol Police & using Bear Spray - hitting them with poles, bats & even the US flag. Cut away to scenes of Trump Attire Clad Rioters breaking windows & kicking in doors to breach into the Capitol. Cut away to scenes of Trump Attire Clad Rioters running through the halls of Congress screaming "Hang Pelosi"!" & "Hang Mike Pence!". Then cut to Para-military Rioters in helmets & plate carriers with multiple flex cuffs inside the Senate Chamber looking for Senators to take "Hostage". Announcer - All this Chaos was Televised Live across America & Around the World for all to see - And what did Donald Trump do? For THREE Hours Donald Trump did - NOTHING. Trump didn't broadcast for the rioters to stop. Trump didn't Tweet to tell his loyal followers to stop their illegal violence & destruction. Donald Trump sat back in the White House and watched it all happen on live TV and when American lives were at risk - Trump did NOTHING. Cut to rioters breaching door & Ashli Babbett climbing up to go through and then a loud Gunshot rings out and she falls dying - fade to black. Announcer - Six Americans lost their lives at the US Capitol on January 6th - just so Donald Trump could try to stop Congress from Certifying the Results of the 2020 Presidential Election. Announcer - Americas 247 year record to "peaceful transfer" of power after an election - gone in a few hours of Rioting and Assault on our Democracy by Trump & his Supporters Announcer - 6 Americans died from Trumps "Team Crazy" to mount a Coup on January 6th to hold onto power - but Trump couldn't stop Democracy - This Time. Announcer - And Now, Donald Trump is telling his followers at his rallies that he will Presidentially Pardon those very same violent Rioters - IF he is Re-elected Announcer - On this Election Day 2024 Ask yourself this most important question - Do you REALLY want to put THAT person back into the White House to try to do it all over AGAIN? Fade to Proud American Flag flying ... This commercial or similar running day & night will remind all those American Independent Voters about January 6th & Trump Team Crazy will be a powerful reminder that will sway voters away from Trump and those who support him. I fear that Trump will continue to be a Conspiracy Idiot & in doing so, alienate even further Independents & motivate the "anybody but Trump" voters to turn out like never before. The worst is that Trump getting Stomped in 2024 will decimate the Republican ticket all up & down the Ballots - in the US House, Senate & in the States too - potentially giving the Democrats the Presidency, House & Senate. All Very Bad News for America & Gun Owners. I want a President with Good Policy who isn't an Idiot who stupidly gets everybody to hate him. Bigger_Hammer |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 4:22:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: how you can spend so much time following and participating in politics, yet still insist that everything is wysiwyg is beyond me. look around, there are no 'normal people' anymore. there are the awake and the rest. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 4:24:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Man, for a bunch of dejected ideological purists who can’t hold your nose to vote for the lesser of two evils, you guys sure do have a lot of time to uselessly complain and piss in the wind with zero effect on the election outcome. I don’t argue with the fact that Trump is a deeply flawed human being who has made many poor and immoral choices in life. I don’t say that he is perfect or even good. But for some reason, he is the only guy who is getting the votes. Desantis and Haley just don’t have it. For career politicians, they suck at this. A while back, early in the Trump Administration and when I was still on the Trump Train, I made the decision that I wouldn't be voting for the "lesser of the two evils" ever again. I was tired of being forced to vote for the likes of McCain and Romney just because they were the R nominees, in spite of the fact that they had done next to nothing to advance policies that align with my beliefs (with the mild exception of some foreign policy stuff). I still maintain that position, but I've now realized that Trump is no different, personality and rhetoric aside. With the exception of three cities, my state is going to overwhelmingly vote for whoever the R nominee is. So, I'm going to maintain my dignity and not vote for another sack of shit. Sorry. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 4:34:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The HPA was never, ever going to pass. Mussolini and Hitler couldn’t have made the HPA reality. I was disemboweled on this forum for saying so, apparently realistic points of view are “defeatist”. I feel bad for people that thought it was a realistic objective, they clearly don’t understand American politics + guns. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I generally do… I also recall (and hold in contempt) the guys who were selling us on the HPA and other things they knew we’d - as gun owners - salivate over. I get what you’re saying about the “mean tweets” and he may have just said that to briefly mollify the press and Lefties. I don’t know. The HPA was never, ever going to pass. Mussolini and Hitler couldn’t have made the HPA reality. I was disemboweled on this forum for saying so, apparently realistic points of view are “defeatist”. I feel bad for people that thought it was a realistic objective, they clearly don’t understand American politics + guns. I was unpopular for stating as much as well. I never thought it was realistic, but I will remind the guys who pushed this stuff on us - as if it was going to happen - of their folly whenever they try pulling those shenanigans again. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 4:36:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Man, for a bunch of dejected ideological purists who can’t hold your nose to vote for the lesser of two evils, you guys sure do have a lot of time to uselessly complain and piss in the wind with zero effect on the election outcome. I don’t argue with the fact that Trump is a deeply flawed human being who has made many poor and immoral choices in life. I don’t say that he is perfect or even good. But for some reason, he is the only guy who is getting the votes. Desantis and Haley just don’t have it. For career politicians, they suck at this. You were just bragging how this was your longest running thread, now you’re whining about “useless complaints”? That’s how you got your longest running thread. Make up your mind. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 4:36:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This has been done over and over. Every single issue conservatives claim to care about, DeSantis is far and away the best candidate. Fiscal responsibility, individual rights, pro-2A, pro-constitution, anti-woke, "drain the swamp", integrity, morals, service I get it. You hate Trump with a demonic passion. Clearly, you're not alone. That's your prerogative and you're entitled to it. DeSantis may find a way to get the nomination. I don't know if that's going to solve much since the Eye of Sauron will turn its unholy gaze upon him. Will he pass the purity tests or will he also be found wanting? Bickering with each other when we're all supposed to be on the same side is cute and all, but it's also what's going to end us all. I don't think anyone here needs to have Trump. We need to have someone who isn't going to finish ripping up the Constitution. That person may not be on the ballot in November. That's the real problem. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 4:36:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I fear that Trump will continue to be a Conspiracy Idiot & in doing so, alienate even further Independents & motivate the "anybody but Trump" voters to turn out like never before. The worst is that Trump getting Stomped in 2024 will decimate the Republican ticket all up & down the Ballots - in the US House, Senate & in the States too - potentially giving the Democrats the Presidency, House & Senate. All Very Bad News for America & Gun Owners. I want a President with Good Policy who isn't an Idiot who stupidly gets everybody to hate him. Bigger_Hammer thats the other issue as well, it doesnt quite matter who wins presidency if we lose the house and senate, because then nothing will be able to get done. and thats the arena where laws can wind up getting passed. also we need to heavily focus on state elections and local even, if shit goes south at the top level, it may come down to the states and even smaller degrees than that. Trump has shown his hand and shown he will be an enemy to the Constitution, his followers are as heavily sheep minded as the liberals are, they refuse to acknowledge the facts, Trump hurt our individual freedoms and pushed for the removal of Due process with his national red flag laws. people must not truly value our econd amendment or truly understand why it exists.. Trump is a favorite by the sadly but honestly uneducated.. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 4:41:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Man, for a bunch of dejected ideological purists who can’t hold your nose to vote for the lesser of two evils,. The Lesser of Two Evils is still Evil - or do you not get that part? Many of us want the Republican party not to join a suicide pact to jump off the cliff in the General Election by putting a Candidate who is monumentally flawed on the ballot. Sure, the Craziest of the MAGA folks (you can tell by their constant "Conspiracy" comments like "Globalists", "Deep State", "Swamp" and similar mumbo jumbo mush mind fluff. It would already be a tough year for Republicans due to the SCOTUS overturn of Roe Vs. Wade, which has women of ALL political sides hopping mad. But then bringing back Donald Trump who is making idiotic claims like he will "Free all the January 6th Political Prisoners", (He could have pardoned them before he left office) or "Retribution & Retaliation are the reason I'm running", just totally drives independents to turn out in mass to vote "ANYBODY except Trump". in 2020 only a handful of voters turned out to vote FOR Joe Biden, but a LOT of Voters marked their ballots for him because he was "NOT Trump". Trump won 2016 because he wasn't Hilary Clinton. Biden won 2020 because he wasn't Donald Trump. So if the Conspiracy Fans & "Q-Crewe" want to put Donald Trump back on the Ballot for the General Election, it's going to be a rough December digesting the results of the General Election and the Massacre of "Trump Republicans". A few will win in Solid Red States, but in any contested elections, just look at 2022 and the Trump hand picked Senate Candidates losing in every single key Senate election. 100% Failure of "Team Trump" which made the Republican situation in the Senate even more dire. We should have learned our lessons in 2022, so we don't need that pain again for 2024. Bigger_Hammer |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 4:42:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL YOU think money is the reason DeSantis might lose in Iowa He spent more than Trump there . You think that's the reason he's not connecting with voters in Iowa Sometimes you just throw up your hands and move on when you get an answer like this But anyways go ahead and blame the arfcom member who has nothing to do with how DeSantis is doing in Iowa if it makes you feel better Do you have any answers to LC's questions? |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 4:46:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was unpopular for stating as much as well. I never thought it was realistic, but I will remind the guys who pushed this stuff on us - as if it was going to happen - of their folly whenever they try pulling those shenanigans again. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I generally do I also recall (and hold in contempt) the guys who were selling us on the HPA and other things they knew we'd - as gun owners - salivate over. I get what you're saying about the "mean tweets" and he may have just said that to briefly mollify the press and Lefties. I don't know. The HPA was never, ever going to pass. Mussolini and Hitler couldn't have made the HPA reality. I was disemboweled on this forum for saying so, apparently realistic points of view are "defeatist". I feel bad for people that thought it was a realistic objective, they clearly don't understand American politics + guns. I was unpopular for stating as much as well. I never thought it was realistic, but I will remind the guys who pushed this stuff on us - as if it was going to happen - of their folly whenever they try pulling those shenanigans again. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 4:46:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I like DeSantis. I would not mind one bit if he becomes the GOP nominee. But DeSantis may not be one of the choices we have in November. That seems to make a certain segment of this thread quite furious for some reason. But it is what it is. If DeSantis isn't a choice in November, then what to do? Sit out and not vote at all? Pull the lever for the potato, if he is the other choice just for spite? Or some other DNC operative? . We need to have someone who isn't going to finish ripping up the Constitution. That person may not be on the ballot in November. That's the real problem. Trump was the one who ripped up the constitution to begin with! His bump stock ban, regardless anyones opinion on the stock, was done by way of executive order and not the legal way to pass law through congress. he shown he has little respect for rule of law and how laws become passed. he made the ATF bend to his will, and now look what Biden has had the ATf do ever since using that very same play, Trump wanted to push national red flag laws, talk about the erasure of your due process rights and the bill of rights, or are those not a big deal to you? HE ran as PRO GUN but he did the complete opposite, and likely did more damage than even obama did. he wanted to pass an AWB as well, he is using the Pro 2a communitys desperation to get someone to back them up to his advantage even if he blatantly has shown he is anything but, ad its sadly working. I think trump is pulling the biggest con job on many of the american people because he knows they fear the idea of biden or worse winning again, he is looked at as a sortof messiah, placed on a pedestal and worshipped all while helping you sell your freedom t a cheap cost that you dont even know is happening. or do but dont care. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 4:50:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It may not have been realistic on the first try, but a hard push for it would be helpful because it helps illuminate the frontiers of the possible for now -plus it would help normalize the idea somewhat, so that the 3rd, 4th, or 5th push wouldn't sound so radical and might actually achieve it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I generally do I also recall (and hold in contempt) the guys who were selling us on the HPA and other things they knew we'd - as gun owners - salivate over. I get what you're saying about the "mean tweets" and he may have just said that to briefly mollify the press and Lefties. I don't know. The HPA was never, ever going to pass. Mussolini and Hitler couldn't have made the HPA reality. I was disemboweled on this forum for saying so, apparently realistic points of view are "defeatist". I feel bad for people that thought it was a realistic objective, they clearly don't understand American politics + guns. I was unpopular for stating as much as well. I never thought it was realistic, but I will remind the guys who pushed this stuff on us - as if it was going to happen - of their folly whenever they try pulling those shenanigans again. Agree, excellent point… we should be trying to get something approaching the HPA passed every year. Every chance we get. Expand rights, not slowly restrict them and expect everyone to feel good that we only lost a little at a time… |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 4:51:06 PM EST
[#30]
Should be an entertaining evening, Pres. Trump will have a BIG NITE !
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Posted: 1/15/2024 4:55:14 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Trump was the one who ripped up the constitution to begin with! His bump stock ban, regardless anyones opinion on the stock, was done by way of executive order and not the legal way to pass law through congress. he shown he has little respect for rule of law and how laws become passed. he made the ATF bend to his will, and now look what Biden has had the ATf do ever since using that very same play, Trump wanted to push national red flag laws, talk about the erasure of your due process rights and the bill of rights, or are those not a big deal to you? HE ran as PRO GUN but he did the complete opposite, and likely did more damage than even obama did. he wanted to pass an AWB as well, he is using the Pro 2a communitys desperation to get someone to back them up to his advantage even if he blatantly has shown he is anything but, ad its sadly working. I think trump is pulling the biggest con job on many of the american people because he knows they fear the idea of biden or worse winning again, he is looked at as a sortof messiah, placed on a pedestal and worshipped all while helping you sell your freedom t a cheap cost that you dont even know is happening. or do but dont care. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 5:01:46 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Agree, excellent point we should be trying to get something approaching the HPA passed every year. Every chance we get. Expand rights, not slowly restrict them and expect everyone to feel good that we only lost a little at a time |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 5:06:04 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, the Constitution ripping began long before Trump. The bump stock debacle was a ridiculous shit pile for Trump to step into. I agree with you, he stepped right into that steaming pile. In fact, he did a lot of dumb shit when he was in office. He wasn't a seasoned, experienced politician which meant he made a lot of rookie mistakes and bad calls. He was extremely naive and still seems to be. Is he pure evil on two legs? I don't think he's evil. The democrats are pure evil on two legs. So evil, I'm not sure they still qualify as human if they ever were. Where does that leave us? With some difficult choices if DeSantis can't get a lot more popular and very quickly. I don't think anyone here knows how to do that. Yes but my issue with trump is he ran and campaigned on supporting and strengthening the 2A which in turn strengthens the entirety of the constitution and bill of rights, if he had just been neutral on it, that would have been better. however he didnt, he lied to get his position and then he set a ball rolling that will take billions in our donations to groups like GOA or fpc etc to fight, meanwhile he AF have an endless pool to spend which is also on us since its our tax money funding their side of those lawsuits.. who will run out of money first? how many executive orders you think biden may try and shove through the ATF before the end of the year? all because Trump broke the proverbial dam that will be near impossible to fix at a rate faster then we are being flooded. If someone ran and were openly against the 2A and won, as bad as that would be, atleast we know before hand what their stance is on it, versus someone who lures us with being an aid to the 2a, and stabs us in the bag first, i find that even worse. Traitors are worse then the enemies who are openly your enemy from the start to the end. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 5:07:11 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It may not have been realistic on the first try, but a hard push for it would be helpful because it helps illuminate the frontiers of the possible for now -plus it would help normalize the idea somewhat, so that the 3rd, 4th, or 5th push wouldn't sound so radical and might actually achieve it. It would not have passed because Republicans don't know how executive power works and can't figure out how to correctly coerce people into doing what they want. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 5:10:07 PM EST
[#35]
My biggest issue is look at anyone else who has done anti gun things or even hinted at the desire or even consideration of doing so, in the Pro 2A and pro american sides eyes they are traitors, rhinos, they need to be removed from office, tried for treason, jailed and all kinds of things like that, however when its trump doing or even attempting those same things, Crickets from those same folks.. Im in Tn and many people want to remove Bill lee as Governor for trying to push through red flag laws, look how many states have reed flag laws now, and how many of yall want them out of office if not jailed? so then why is trump free from the same wraith for doing the same thing or worse?
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Posted: 1/15/2024 5:11:10 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It would not have passed because Republicans don't know how executive power works and can't figure out how to correctly coerce people into doing what they want. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It may not have been realistic on the first try, but a hard push for it would be helpful because it helps illuminate the frontiers of the possible for now -plus it would help normalize the idea somewhat, so that the 3rd, 4th, or 5th push wouldn't sound so radical and might actually achieve it. It would not have passed because Republicans don't know how executive power works and can't figure out how to correctly coerce people into doing what they want. You’re both right on here. Our “Right” thinkers in government legitimately don’t know how to politic beyond the ends of their noses. Our trolls here who put us on the defensive every chance they get by putting words in the rest of our mouths are actually better at putting people on the defensive than the entire GOP to include Trump. And “executive power” is a problematic thing (if you’re referring to the President just wielding his pen and making things happen). We hate it when Xiden has it… yet love it when our guy has it. I’ve gotten really comfortable with the thought that neither side should have it. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 5:14:06 PM EST
[#37]
This is why i say many of trumps cult boys are equally sheep to those on the left, just different sides of the fence, because if Trump had openly done something such as burning up a daycare full of kids, most of you would still be defending him or trying to justify his actions, or claiming it was a hoax and not real.. reality has no place with most of you, logic and reason is gone or is a foreign concept, so much to the point that most of you view logic as being a leftist just because it isnt praising trump.
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Posted: 1/15/2024 5:18:52 PM EST
[#38]
I thought the Bible made it clear not to place any thing or other person up on a pedastal and worship them, or to idolize them, yet the way some of yall have stitched yourself to the man, its as close to worship as can really be. and this is how folks like hitler wound up with kids who would kill themselves because they thought there was no life without hitler in it, there was people who would kill their own families rather than surrender to the llies, because they worshipped hitler like a diety. He was the father to so many because the people looked up to him like a parent and blindly obeyed anything he said or believed and never once stopped to see how crazy it may be.. No im not saying hitler is like trump, however the mentality easily leads to the extreme when left unchecked.
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Posted: 1/15/2024 6:17:59 PM EST
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Posted: 1/15/2024 6:20:43 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
"We always hated Massie" in 3... 2... 1... |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 6:39:40 PM EST
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Posted: 1/15/2024 7:07:16 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Reminder that Lara Trump floated this, and Bannon talked about being worried about it. Not MSNBC, Bannon. 
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Posted: 1/15/2024 7:08:03 PM EST
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Posted: 1/15/2024 7:22:48 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Reminder that Lara Trump floated this, and Bannon talked about being worried about it. Not MSNBC, Bannon. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:
Reminder that Lara Trump floated this, and Bannon talked about being worried about it. Not MSNBC, Bannon. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 7:24:47 PM EST
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Posted: 1/15/2024 7:25:09 PM EST
[#46]
All I know is I’m on my second cocktail and just booked a week in Maui for
my birthday in May. Let me know how the caucus turns out. 
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Posted: 1/15/2024 7:27:31 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Trump is a rich old man from NYC. I don’t expect him to know anything about the freedom-preserving or safety-preserving effects of any guns, let alone a class of rifle stock that has only existed for a short time. I also don’t expect him to be strong on 2A principles. It is indeed ironic that Joe “shoot a few warning shots with your 12-gauge” Biden might end up being a strong 2A absolutist now that his crack-addled felon son lied on a 4473. If you add up all Trumps flaws they could float the Titanic but Biden is worse. And those are the choices. And not voting is numerically about the same as voting half a vote for the worse candidate. But they aren't the only choices, literally the primaries are just starting today and we have better options. This false binary choice is ignorance |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 7:29:04 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Meanwhile, we could all use a good laugh, https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/144599/GD6-Ak6WsAAXvxM_jpg-3095937.JPG Legit lol… it always cracks me up how they extrapolate the winners based on less than 10% reporting. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 7:34:09 PM EST
[#49]
Quote History Man that sucks.   |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 7:38:54 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Legit lol… it always cracks me up how they extrapolate the winners based on less than 10% reporting. In some cases it makes perfect sense, in others… not so much. I’m ready to call California, Massachusetts, and NY in the general election for Biden right now. And Alabama and Oklahoma for Trump. |
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