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Quoted: When the discretion is based on who someone knows or whether they've paid for membership to a particular organization, it IS a violation. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Seems to be a violation of equal protection under the law. It may be human nature, but laws are intended to curb the excesses of human nature. If you've ever tried to civilize a toddler, you recognize that grabbing whatever attracts their attention is human nature, no matter who actually owns it, as well as biting, scratching, fighting, etc... We've decided some forms of raw human nature are inconsistent with civilized life and made laws against them, such as robbery, rape, murder, assault, etc... When you start having different standards based on who someone knows or pays off, you erode that civilization, especially when they believe they have a RIGHT to that treatment. It isn't a violation of equal protection under the law since discretion in enforcement of the law has existed in the enforcing the law since before the founding of this nation and the Founders themselves practiced it. When the discretion is based on who someone knows or whether they've paid for membership to a particular organization, it IS a violation. Btw, I'm in the middle of my mandatory annual training for a government contract. From the "Principles for Ethical Conduct for Government Officers and Employees" Principle 8: Employees shall act impartially and NOT give preferential treatment to any private organization or individual. So according to the training all Federal employees and contractors are required to take, giving breaks on law enforcement action based on someone's membership in a particular private organization or personal ties IS a violation of ethics rules and can be grounds for disciplinary action. |
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Quoted: Masons only have 3 degrees... Everyone is a 3rd after being raised. This had nothing to do because of his Masonic ties. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: My uncle was a high level mason and active in veteran's organizations. He had a deck of courtesy cards thicker than his wallet. He was pulled over a few times while I was with him. He always had a card from the Sheriff or the Chief. He passed this Saturday morning at 95. I miss him terribly and I'm not the only one. Masons only have 3 degrees... Everyone is a 3rd after being raised. This had nothing to do because of his Masonic ties. @Backnblack Sorry about that - I know very little about Masons. I thought someone said he was 30 something degree - That must be wrong. In any case he knew a lot of Masons and a lot of veterans everywhere I went with him. That includes up and down the east coast and far into Canada. I always figured that knowing a ton of people had something to do with that stack of cards. |
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Quoted: I comment when I get different answers from the same profession. It seems that LE here can't even agree. For the most part, Texans don't like to walk so the pedestrian stops tend to be in certain areas where the local dislike/mistrust LE. The last time LE stopped me when I was walking was out of boredom and wanted to talk about my GSD. I live in a boring community. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Unless the system is down or it’s not a traffic stop but a pedestrian stop. Do you guys comment on other professions you have no experience with either? I comment when I get different answers from the same profession. It seems that LE here can't even agree. For the most part, Texans don't like to walk so the pedestrian stops tend to be in certain areas where the local dislike/mistrust LE. The last time LE stopped me when I was walking was out of boredom and wanted to talk about my GSD. I live in a boring community. Because different cops and agencies are all different. Maybe the question should be why you have so many interactions with police. |
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Quoted: No idea what works nowadays but a lot of those generic ones were pretty much useless. The ones that worked were issued to an officer and had their shield number on it. On the back there was a line where the officer was supposed to write the name of who he gave it to. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/57330/card-1378970.png View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: @Extorris Do they look like this? https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/14834/production/_99702048_f3bf0060-d1bf-4b06-b4ab-da179381ebba.jpg https://media.nbcnewyork.com/2019/09/courtesy-cards-nyc.jpg?fit=722%2C406 https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/13082/Nypd-Pba-Dea-Police-Family-Member-Card-I-1378931.JPG https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/293486597837_/Lifetime-Nypd-Gold-Card-Officer-Family-This-Card.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/13082/NJSP_PBA_jpg-1378932.JPG https://marginalrevolution.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/card-e1516581369117.jpg No idea what works nowadays but a lot of those generic ones were pretty much useless. The ones that worked were issued to an officer and had their shield number on it. On the back there was a line where the officer was supposed to write the name of who he gave it to. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/57330/card-1378970.png One sits in my wallet now. |
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Quoted: Your right fuck it why even try to change Our system is not the same as past nations that have failed. We the people can at least try to fix shit. But why bother why put any effort into anything we all die in the end right? View Quote Absolutely, as individuals, we can strive for better. We can try to fix it. It’s those Herculean individual efforts that have kept us afloat. I haven’t seen any indication that the general populace has any interest in fixing it. On the contrary, the seem quite content on the trajectory we are traveling. Can you provide me with any evidence that we aren’t traveling the same rocky road as those other historical superpowers? Our system really isn’t different. It’s a damn near carbon copy of the 18th Century British government, with some ideals from the Roman Republic and Greek city states thrown in. Much of our Bill of Rights can be found in various English documents like the Magna Carta. Even then we’ve strayed so far from our founding vision that it would damn near unrecognizable to the men who met in Philadelphia. How are you going to fix it? If you say voting, you’re wrong. |
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So many people commenting in this thread would end up making great case law, are full of shit and only can judge or comment from the outside.
I loved being a cop but I'm glad I'm not anymore. |
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I saw the back of a Orange County (CA) Sheriff's business card in the early 90's.
to paraphrase, it said that any attempt by anyone to use the card as a get out of jail card, would get taken to jail. Jay |
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Quoted: Should both the officer and person pulled over be charged with said violation? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Seems to be a violation of equal protection under the law. It may be human nature, but laws are intended to curb the excesses of human nature. If you've ever tried to civilize a toddler, you recognize that grabbing whatever attracts their attention is human nature, no matter who actually owns it, as well as biting, scratching, fighting, etc... We've decided some forms of raw human nature are inconsistent with civilized life and made laws against them, such as robbery, rape, murder, assault, etc... When you start having different standards based on who someone knows or pays off, you erode that civilization, especially when they believe they have a RIGHT to that treatment. It isn't a violation of equal protection under the law since discretion in enforcement of the law has existed in the enforcing the law since before the founding of this nation and the Founders themselves practiced it. When the discretion is based on who someone knows or whether they've paid for membership to a particular organization, it IS a violation. Should both the officer and person pulled over be charged with said violation? When they're materially participating in the conspiracy, yes. Presentment of a PBA card is a bribe, as they have monetary value based upon recorded ebay sales of equivalent products. The officers are provided with PBA cards by their shop steward for distribution to family members or sale, knowing the cards have value and will be used for unethical benefit or sale so unrelated persons can participate in the scheme. The system is enforced by the retribution dealt out for an officer failing to honor a PBA card by the process of the card's originating officer telling his shop steward who informs the writing officer's shop steward of the failure to honor it. Kharn |
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Quoted: When they're materially participating in the conspiracy, yes. Presentment of a PBA card is a bribe, as they have monetary value based upon recorded ebay sales of equivalent products. The officers are provided with PBA cards by their shop steward for distribution to family members or sale, knowing the cards have value and will be used for unethical benefit or sale so unrelated persons can participate in the scheme. The system is enforced by the retribution dealt out for an officer failing to honor a PBA card by the process of the card's originating officer telling his shop steward who informs the writing officer's shop steward of the failure to honor it. Kharn View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Seems to be a violation of equal protection under the law. It may be human nature, but laws are intended to curb the excesses of human nature. If you've ever tried to civilize a toddler, you recognize that grabbing whatever attracts their attention is human nature, no matter who actually owns it, as well as biting, scratching, fighting, etc... We've decided some forms of raw human nature are inconsistent with civilized life and made laws against them, such as robbery, rape, murder, assault, etc... When you start having different standards based on who someone knows or pays off, you erode that civilization, especially when they believe they have a RIGHT to that treatment. It isn't a violation of equal protection under the law since discretion in enforcement of the law has existed in the enforcing the law since before the founding of this nation and the Founders themselves practiced it. When the discretion is based on who someone knows or whether they've paid for membership to a particular organization, it IS a violation. Should both the officer and person pulled over be charged with said violation? When they're materially participating in the conspiracy, yes. Presentment of a PBA card is a bribe, as they have monetary value based upon recorded ebay sales of equivalent products. The officers are provided with PBA cards by their shop steward for distribution to family members or sale, knowing the cards have value and will be used for unethical benefit or sale so unrelated persons can participate in the scheme. The system is enforced by the retribution dealt out for an officer failing to honor a PBA card by the process of the card's originating officer telling his shop steward who informs the writing officer's shop steward of the failure to honor it. Kharn |
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Quoted: No idea what works nowadays but a lot of those generic ones were pretty much useless. The ones that worked were issued to an officer and had their shield number on it. On the back there was a line where the officer was supposed to write the name of who he gave it to. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/57330/card-1378970.png View Quote I've used mine a few times, always for answering work emails in bumper to bumper Brooklyn traffic. Guys usually take the card and ask you the guys name who issued it and their command and maybe a relationship, "Oh yeah Jeff is my best friend, he's the stats bitch at the 'one oh five'" |
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Quoted: I saw numerous people get out of a DUI arrest because they had a card when stopped by our precinct's DUI guys. View Quote wife, who could barely walk, to consider maybe not driving their car away. I got in biiiiig shit for intervening in that. They let him drive home. The cops told my supervisor that the subject "was armed and could have shot me." But also they cut him loose cause he was a cop. My boss told them the FOAD. |
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Quoted: I'm a FL PBA member and we don't do any of that. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Seems to be a violation of equal protection under the law. It may be human nature, but laws are intended to curb the excesses of human nature. If you've ever tried to civilize a toddler, you recognize that grabbing whatever attracts their attention is human nature, no matter who actually owns it, as well as biting, scratching, fighting, etc... We've decided some forms of raw human nature are inconsistent with civilized life and made laws against them, such as robbery, rape, murder, assault, etc... When you start having different standards based on who someone knows or pays off, you erode that civilization, especially when they believe they have a RIGHT to that treatment. It isn't a violation of equal protection under the law since discretion in enforcement of the law has existed in the enforcing the law since before the founding of this nation and the Founders themselves practiced it. When the discretion is based on who someone knows or whether they've paid for membership to a particular organization, it IS a violation. Should both the officer and person pulled over be charged with said violation? When they're materially participating in the conspiracy, yes. Presentment of a PBA card is a bribe, as they have monetary value based upon recorded ebay sales of equivalent products. The officers are provided with PBA cards by their shop steward for distribution to family members or sale, knowing the cards have value and will be used for unethical benefit or sale so unrelated persons can participate in the scheme. The system is enforced by the retribution dealt out for an officer failing to honor a PBA card by the process of the card's originating officer telling his shop steward who informs the writing officer's shop steward of the failure to honor it. Kharn It's very much an NY/NJ thing. Kharn |
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Quoted: When they're materially participating in the conspiracy, yes. Presentment of a PBA card is a bribe, as they have monetary value based upon recorded ebay sales of equivalent products. The officers are provided with PBA cards by their shop steward for distribution to family members or sale, knowing the cards have value and will be used for unethical benefit or sale so unrelated persons can participate in the scheme. The system is enforced by the retribution dealt out for an officer failing to honor a PBA card by the process of the card's originating officer telling his shop steward who informs the writing officer's shop steward of the failure to honor it. Kharn View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Seems to be a violation of equal protection under the law. It may be human nature, but laws are intended to curb the excesses of human nature. If you've ever tried to civilize a toddler, you recognize that grabbing whatever attracts their attention is human nature, no matter who actually owns it, as well as biting, scratching, fighting, etc... We've decided some forms of raw human nature are inconsistent with civilized life and made laws against them, such as robbery, rape, murder, assault, etc... When you start having different standards based on who someone knows or pays off, you erode that civilization, especially when they believe they have a RIGHT to that treatment. It isn't a violation of equal protection under the law since discretion in enforcement of the law has existed in the enforcing the law since before the founding of this nation and the Founders themselves practiced it. When the discretion is based on who someone knows or whether they've paid for membership to a particular organization, it IS a violation. Should both the officer and person pulled over be charged with said violation? When they're materially participating in the conspiracy, yes. Presentment of a PBA card is a bribe, as they have monetary value based upon recorded ebay sales of equivalent products. The officers are provided with PBA cards by their shop steward for distribution to family members or sale, knowing the cards have value and will be used for unethical benefit or sale so unrelated persons can participate in the scheme. The system is enforced by the retribution dealt out for an officer failing to honor a PBA card by the process of the card's originating officer telling his shop steward who informs the writing officer's shop steward of the failure to honor it. Kharn I've never seen any PBA cars have monetary value. Dont hurt yourself with that stretch. |
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Quoted: I've never seen any PBA cars have monetary value. Dont hurt yourself with that stretch. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Seems to be a violation of equal protection under the law. It may be human nature, but laws are intended to curb the excesses of human nature. If you've ever tried to civilize a toddler, you recognize that grabbing whatever attracts their attention is human nature, no matter who actually owns it, as well as biting, scratching, fighting, etc... We've decided some forms of raw human nature are inconsistent with civilized life and made laws against them, such as robbery, rape, murder, assault, etc... When you start having different standards based on who someone knows or pays off, you erode that civilization, especially when they believe they have a RIGHT to that treatment. It isn't a violation of equal protection under the law since discretion in enforcement of the law has existed in the enforcing the law since before the founding of this nation and the Founders themselves practiced it. When the discretion is based on who someone knows or whether they've paid for membership to a particular organization, it IS a violation. Should both the officer and person pulled over be charged with said violation? When they're materially participating in the conspiracy, yes. Presentment of a PBA card is a bribe, as they have monetary value based upon recorded ebay sales of equivalent products. The officers are provided with PBA cards by their shop steward for distribution to family members or sale, knowing the cards have value and will be used for unethical benefit or sale so unrelated persons can participate in the scheme. The system is enforced by the retribution dealt out for an officer failing to honor a PBA card by the process of the card's originating officer telling his shop steward who informs the writing officer's shop steward of the failure to honor it. Kharn I've never seen any PBA cars have monetary value. Dont hurt yourself with that stretch. If someone will pay to acquire the object and use it for the same purpose, it has monetary value. Kharn |
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Quoted: If someone will pay to acquire the object and use it for the same purpose, it has monetary value. Kharn View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Seems to be a violation of equal protection under the law. It may be human nature, but laws are intended to curb the excesses of human nature. If you've ever tried to civilize a toddler, you recognize that grabbing whatever attracts their attention is human nature, no matter who actually owns it, as well as biting, scratching, fighting, etc... We've decided some forms of raw human nature are inconsistent with civilized life and made laws against them, such as robbery, rape, murder, assault, etc... When you start having different standards based on who someone knows or pays off, you erode that civilization, especially when they believe they have a RIGHT to that treatment. It isn't a violation of equal protection under the law since discretion in enforcement of the law has existed in the enforcing the law since before the founding of this nation and the Founders themselves practiced it. When the discretion is based on who someone knows or whether they've paid for membership to a particular organization, it IS a violation. Should both the officer and person pulled over be charged with said violation? When they're materially participating in the conspiracy, yes. Presentment of a PBA card is a bribe, as they have monetary value based upon recorded ebay sales of equivalent products. The officers are provided with PBA cards by their shop steward for distribution to family members or sale, knowing the cards have value and will be used for unethical benefit or sale so unrelated persons can participate in the scheme. The system is enforced by the retribution dealt out for an officer failing to honor a PBA card by the process of the card's originating officer telling his shop steward who informs the writing officer's shop steward of the failure to honor it. Kharn I've never seen any PBA cars have monetary value. Dont hurt yourself with that stretch. If someone will pay to acquire the object and use it for the same purpose, it has monetary value. Kharn However, they are not sold by the PBA or FOP. What others do, is on them. |
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Quoted: However, they are not sold by the PBA or FOP. What others do, is on them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Seems to be a violation of equal protection under the law. It may be human nature, but laws are intended to curb the excesses of human nature. If you've ever tried to civilize a toddler, you recognize that grabbing whatever attracts their attention is human nature, no matter who actually owns it, as well as biting, scratching, fighting, etc... We've decided some forms of raw human nature are inconsistent with civilized life and made laws against them, such as robbery, rape, murder, assault, etc... When you start having different standards based on who someone knows or pays off, you erode that civilization, especially when they believe they have a RIGHT to that treatment. It isn't a violation of equal protection under the law since discretion in enforcement of the law has existed in the enforcing the law since before the founding of this nation and the Founders themselves practiced it. When the discretion is based on who someone knows or whether they've paid for membership to a particular organization, it IS a violation. Should both the officer and person pulled over be charged with said violation? When they're materially participating in the conspiracy, yes. Presentment of a PBA card is a bribe, as they have monetary value based upon recorded ebay sales of equivalent products. The officers are provided with PBA cards by their shop steward for distribution to family members or sale, knowing the cards have value and will be used for unethical benefit or sale so unrelated persons can participate in the scheme. The system is enforced by the retribution dealt out for an officer failing to honor a PBA card by the process of the card's originating officer telling his shop steward who informs the writing officer's shop steward of the failure to honor it. Kharn I've never seen any PBA cars have monetary value. Dont hurt yourself with that stretch. If someone will pay to acquire the object and use it for the same purpose, it has monetary value. Kharn However, they are not sold by the PBA or FOP. What others do, is on them. Doesn't matter, it's still a product acknowledged to have a cash value. Do you concede that writing a +5mph ticket over a PBA card in NJ will have your PBA rep on your ass? Kharn |
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Quoted: Doesn't matter, it's still a product acknowledged to have a cash value. Do you concede that writing a +5mph ticket over a PBA card in NJ will have your PBA rep on your ass? Kharn View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Seems to be a violation of equal protection under the law. It may be human nature, but laws are intended to curb the excesses of human nature. If you've ever tried to civilize a toddler, you recognize that grabbing whatever attracts their attention is human nature, no matter who actually owns it, as well as biting, scratching, fighting, etc... We've decided some forms of raw human nature are inconsistent with civilized life and made laws against them, such as robbery, rape, murder, assault, etc... When you start having different standards based on who someone knows or pays off, you erode that civilization, especially when they believe they have a RIGHT to that treatment. It isn't a violation of equal protection under the law since discretion in enforcement of the law has existed in the enforcing the law since before the founding of this nation and the Founders themselves practiced it. When the discretion is based on who someone knows or whether they've paid for membership to a particular organization, it IS a violation. Should both the officer and person pulled over be charged with said violation? When they're materially participating in the conspiracy, yes. Presentment of a PBA card is a bribe, as they have monetary value based upon recorded ebay sales of equivalent products. The officers are provided with PBA cards by their shop steward for distribution to family members or sale, knowing the cards have value and will be used for unethical benefit or sale so unrelated persons can participate in the scheme. The system is enforced by the retribution dealt out for an officer failing to honor a PBA card by the process of the card's originating officer telling his shop steward who informs the writing officer's shop steward of the failure to honor it. Kharn I've never seen any PBA cars have monetary value. Dont hurt yourself with that stretch. If someone will pay to acquire the object and use it for the same purpose, it has monetary value. Kharn However, they are not sold by the PBA or FOP. What others do, is on them. Doesn't matter, it's still a product acknowledged to have a cash value. Do you concede that writing a +5mph ticket over a PBA card in NJ will have your PBA rep on your ass? Kharn No, it does not. That's something you believe, but it's not true. I have written people with PBA cards. But I also never have written someone for 5 over. |
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Quoted: Absolutely, as individuals, we can strive for better. We can try to fix it. It’s those Herculean individual efforts that have kept us afloat. I haven’t seen any indication that the general populace has any interest in fixing it. On the contrary, the seem quite content on the trajectory we are traveling. Can you provide me with any evidence that we aren’t traveling the same rocky road as those other historical superpowers? Our system really isn’t different. It’s a damn near carbon copy of the 18th Century British government, with some ideals from the Roman Republic and Greek city states thrown in. Much of our Bill of Rights can be found in various English documents like the Magna Carta. Even then we’ve strayed so far from our founding vision that it would damn near unrecognizable to the men who met in Philadelphia. How are you going to fix it? If you say voting, you’re wrong. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Your right fuck it why even try to change Our system is not the same as past nations that have failed. We the people can at least try to fix shit. But why bother why put any effort into anything we all die in the end right? Absolutely, as individuals, we can strive for better. We can try to fix it. It’s those Herculean individual efforts that have kept us afloat. I haven’t seen any indication that the general populace has any interest in fixing it. On the contrary, the seem quite content on the trajectory we are traveling. Can you provide me with any evidence that we aren’t traveling the same rocky road as those other historical superpowers? Our system really isn’t different. It’s a damn near carbon copy of the 18th Century British government, with some ideals from the Roman Republic and Greek city states thrown in. Much of our Bill of Rights can be found in various English documents like the Magna Carta. Even then we’ve strayed so far from our founding vision that it would damn near unrecognizable to the men who met in Philadelphia. How are you going to fix it? If you say voting, you’re wrong. We are on the road, soon to drive off the cliff. Honestly I don't know how to change it. Our establishment is so entrenched that maybe we can't Your right about voting them out people will vote how cnn and fox tell them to. Best I can come up with is a low level vote swapping system with the far left. Basically we would swap a few percent of our votes with the far left. They hate politicians as much as we do. And I think a grass roots campaign could work, basically if your Gov is a Republican, on the next election cycle you would vote dem. If 2% of our side and 2% of the left did this we could easily vote out most of the politicians. Continue that cycle of constantly booting out incumbents indefinitely. If politicians can't stay in power more than 1-2 terms we loose alot of the corruption by default. This would only require 4 % of voters, I think that both sides have enough low level activists to pull this off. Think arfcom voting block and the antifa block swapping votes. Still probably wouldn't work since the gov would go after people with a vengeance. |
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Quoted: I pulled over a car once, ran a stop sign. Walked up to the car, the driver was a Marine, in uniform. He already had his license out, and I was like, "Yeah, I don't need that. Watch those signs. Have a nice day." Uniform worked better than any card. Some people you just don't write. Never wrote cops, firemen, or military people. View Quote Had this happen to me was in uniform on my way to base got pulled over officer walks up takes one look and says have a nice day and walks away! It was great. |
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Quoted: Had this happen to me was in uniform on my way to base got pulled over officer walks up takes one look and says have a nice day and walks away! It was great. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I pulled over a car once, ran a stop sign. Walked up to the car, the driver was a Marine, in uniform. He already had his license out, and I was like, "Yeah, I don't need that. Watch those signs. Have a nice day." Uniform worked better than any card. Some people you just don't write. Never wrote cops, firemen, or military people. Had this happen to me was in uniform on my way to base got pulled over officer walks up takes one look and says have a nice day and walks away! It was great. VA state police wrote me for 10 over while I was in uniform. They will ticket their own mothers. |
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Quoted: In his defense, the local PD where I was stationed targeted the shit out of military members and their dependents. They would sit on a road that was only used by people with base access and write speeding tickets all day long. I don't believe his 1 over claim, though. View Quote Oh, I have no doubt SOMETHING happened, it was a podunk dept 50 years ago, doing the "old fashioned" police work GD is always asking for. What I doubt is his recollection's matching with actual history. |
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Only one I have ever heard of, first hand, was in the late 60’s/early 70’s in a large’ish City in the South. But, it was more a traffic stop don’t detain thing.
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