the sad part is not that their house is destroyed, the sad part is that now if they choose to rebuild it's going to be a shit show from a permitting stand point with all the codes cali has

Yup, wing sliced right across the front of the truck

You say that why exactly...?

Houses ain't cheap on that street either . Little shit box houses selling for over $600,000

2 beds
1 bath
936 sq ft
$686,500

Link



Sold: $742,000
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Doctors have a long and sordid history of being full of false self confidence in areas outside of their expertise due to Expert Syndrome.

Combine that with their income, and you have a recipe for GA accidents.

Yea no one else crashes but doctors...
And they all crash due to being full of false self confidence and "Expert Syndrome"



(Physician pilots account for less than 2% of all GA accidents)

A friend of mine is a renowned ENT and Cosmetic surgeon, and he admits to this.  Says it's why he never went ahead and got his pilot certificate even though his dad was an active pilot and their family owned several aircraft.  

Also see:  Bonanza, the "Forked tail doctor killer", or it's modern replacement, the Cirrus........

Basically this. Rich people buying something with too much performance then crashing it.

https://generalaviationnews.com/2017/03/29/the-doctor-killer/

Physician pilots account for less than 2% of all GA accidents

(BTW your link is utterly irrelevant)

And yet anyone in GA will recognize the term "Doctor Killer".

It's not just doctors.

It's people that have done well in their careers, then decide to get a pilot's license and don't want to piddle around with the cheaper planes - jumping straight into something that is within their budget, but generally not recommended for new pilots.  I remember one business owner that had a trophy wife and a Mooney, then decided he wanted to move up to twins and bought a Cessna 320, bellied the 320 in (practicing engine out approaches and ignored the gear warning horn) not long after he bought it, then took the insurance check and made a down payment on an Aerostar.

Isolate just physicians and then look at the crash percentage compared to other groups. Throwing physicians in with mil trained pilots etc is not an accurate representation.

Yeah, we allow private pilots to fly real airplanes over people and homes, but there are more restrictions on where we can fly a tiny RC hobby model around.

All plane crashes are negligence. Whether it's pilot error, poor maintenance or in the design. It's still negligent.

Sadly this

Anyone in GA will recognize the term "Strawberry Shortcake"
What does that have to do with the fact that Physician pilots account for less than 2% of GA accidents

Probably poor maintenance would be my guess. Or a medical problem.

Where did I say a word about "mil trained pilots"?

A plane crashes and the assertion is made (repeatedly) that it shouldn't be surprising that the pilot was a doctor

Again, Physician pilots account for less than 2% of GA accidents

what about dentist?

That chip is getting pretty big

Dr. Pilots have the worst reputation in Aviation.   So much so, that it’s been a meme since they started buying planes in the ‘50s.  Google “V tail Dr. killer”

As with all such things, there are exceptions.  There are Dr.s who are safe, and there are pilots of other professions who are truly dangerous at any speed.   And, nobody perfect. Even good pilots can have a bad day.

What about them?
They are actually included in the <2%

I am slightly relieved to learn that the UPS driver who died was not the UPS driver who is my friend.

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2% is a hell of a lot, considering that GA is chock full of Expert Syndrome.      Some of the worst, comes from Pro pilots, who have thousands of hours flying million dollar aircraft in all weather.     Get in a small GA airplane and it’s very easy to exceed your capabilities.  


You asked, and you were correctly answered.   And then you have to Argue with the people who took the time to answer.    So typical.

Why are you so adamant about White knighting Doctors in aviation?    

What’s your angle?    At least help us understand the context?

Oh geez, here we go again.

Please just stop vomiting gobbledegook mixed with some minor aviation lingo against your keyboard.

ok so whos worse?

a Dr in a Lear Jet 25 or a Pro Pilot in a Comanche 400?

He was my doctor
RIP Doc

Doctors and lawyers tend to afford more plane than they can fly.

Still there are lots of possibilities from pilot error to trim or autopilot runaway so I would reserve judgement until the investigation is complete.

Well actually no, it isn't
And again, it's less than 2%
Of the many times its been looked at the number of MD and DDS pilots involved in accidents has averaged about 1.5%
Limiting to just MD's it's remained around 1% (again thats an average, the numbers do vary)
Normalizing for income/affordability, MD's account for a similar rate as their per cap in the working population
(flying is expensive)

What the studies have found that results in a commonality is their total number of hours flown per year
They tend to fly far FAR FAR more than the vast majority of GA pilots, if I recall correctly it was in the top 1%
(fly more = more likely to have accident)
When comparing to others in the GA community who fly similar hours, MD's have accidents at similar rates

It's a thing. Valid or no, it's a thing.

Not just doctor/pilot exclusive either. I've seen it in other areas as well.

Feelings do not trump FACTS
I cannot help that your feelings cloud your ability to use facts (as proven by your thinly veiled attacks)

Oh shit.
Sorry man.

Utterly irrelevant comparison
Just look at the factual data and leave the emotion (and cliche slogans) out of it

The original assertions were all along the lines of...
GA plane crash + Pilot was a doctor = Shouldn't be surprised
It's just an idiotic assertion given that less than 2% of GA accident involve Physician pilots

ETA...
After reading my response I guess I should explain why I state that it's an "irrelevant comparison"
Primarily... training
There are vast differences in training between a typical GA pilot and "professional" pilots like airline and corporate
Heck there are major training differences even between the latter two (ATP vs Corp)
All three are also often vastly different atmospheres and flight regimes

Better to ask...
"Who has better training, a 2000 hour GA Pilot in a Cessna or a 2000 hour ATP in a Cessna?"

I would hope that professional pilots are better than GA pilots

I would agree

But even then that doesn't mean the "professional" is a better pilot
I'll give you a perspective from my own experience

I'm 21, I was brought up on a family ranch where aircraft have been used since the 30's. Most of my elders have been pilots, my dad, several aunts & uncles, grandfather & grandmother, great-grandfather, etc. I started flying as a little kid sitting on someones lap in one of the ranch planes and eventually worked my way through soloing at 14 (glider) 16 (power) then obtained my instrument and very recently my multi-engine.

A family member recently married a pilot for a major airline, he's very experienced with many more flight hours than I have and has been through gobs of high-end professional training the likes of which I don't have. We welcomed him into the family and on one of his recent visits to the ranch we introduced him to many of our aircraft, including a first year production Cub. He mentioned he had never flown a Cub so I volunteered to take him up so he could have some fun.

This guy couldn't consistently coordinate a turn to save his life! Granted he had no experience in a Cub but coordinated turns aren't rocket science and are taught from day one, even after more than an hour he was still struggling with that along with a few other basics, so much so that I was getting a bit nauseous I helped teach my wife to fly and she was consistently making coordinated turns within her first hour, but this "professional" pilot with thousands of hours couldn't. At one point he acknowledged that all through his career he struggled with proper rudder control and that the automated systems on the big jets such as yaw damping and turn coordination were a crutch for him

So who is the "better" pilot, him or me?
Put me at the controls of the jet he fly's for a living and how good/bad would I do simply flying it?

I wouldn't dare to give an answer to that question as our experiences are vastly different
I also know pilots that could fly circles around both of us without breaking a sweat
There are crappy ATP's and outstanding GA pilots and vice versa, along with everything in between

Was the MD pilot in this accident a crappy pilot or a a good one, it's fun to speculate but we don't really know
Maybe he sucked, maybe his training sucked, maybe he was a great pilot with great training but had a really bad day

Don't you have a whip it to huff?

.   Thinly veiled attacks?  
You’re thinking of someone else.    Go back and read what I wrote.  
I didn’t even state my feelings.  I just stated the reputation they have in the community.  It was a meme, before memes.  

Did you have Covid recently?     I don’t remember you ever being this off center?

That means absolutely nothing. When you look at 'just' physicians their crash percentage is considerably high.

My house is in the landing/takeoff of our local regional airport.

If I had a drone I could fly it into the planes quite easily.

"teen"?

Jobs
Hours
Race
Sex
Age

Don't mean shit in aviation.

Bad decisions do.

There have been plenty of 14000+ hour pilots drilling 100+ people into the ground, globally.

And plenty of soloing private pilot students also drilling into the ground.

Humans make errors in judgement and bad choices at any age or level of experience.  

Trying to tie a profession to accident rates is retarded.

In the case of doctor's, they are simply a cohort that makes enough money to buy planes.

The fact that docs die in planes should not be shocking.

I know LAWYERS that own planes.

I bet there are:
Entrepreneurs
CEOs
Franchise owners
Etc that own planes at a higher rate than the average wage slave.

I wonder why.

after listening to the FAA comm recording it sounded to me like he may have had a stroke

it is odd that he went off course and off altitude and never corrected and even said he was at the altitude when he clearly was not. He said he was climbing but was still descending.  He asked if he was cleared the ILS when he had already missed turning on the localizer.

His radio calls appear to suddenly change, he stopped using standard phraseology and stopped repeating assignments.

He was either very busy and task saturated, disoriented or he was having mental issues like a stroke. You would think if he had a mechanical malfunction he would have declared an emergency or at least said he had a problem. but he never did. He just kept acknowledging but doing nothing about it.

All indications of disorientation or he did it on purpose. It doesnt appear he did it on purpose though.

He could have been disoriented in the weather but the videos looked like a clear sky, so I am speculated he had a medical problem that made him unable to communicate properly and made him disoriented, maybe a stroke.

That UPS guy got fucked up, I hope it was quick. Surprised they didn't blur him out.

You can see him laying on the ground (charred) in this video.

I don’t remember the exact METAR, but I was something like few 2200 and overcast 2800.

Only thing I saw was the truck