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Posted: 5/12/2024 3:30:04 PM EDT
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I’ve used a MakerBot in the past, however, it’s been moved so I can no longer use it.
I really liked how it could use water soluble filament for the supports as well as carbon fiber. I’ll mainly be printing stuff for guns like stock spacers and maybe try a lower or frame at some point. I like the idea of the Prusa XL but it’s just too large for my space. Any thoughts would be appreciated. https://us.store.bambulab.com/products/x1-carbon-combo |
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Bambu p1s here. I didn't get the AMS because it was out of my budget at the time.
There's some really nice multicolor stuff out there that makes me want to get one, but on the other hand, people are having a lot of issues with it too. Failure to feed or retract mostly. That from following a couple of FB groups for Bambu. |
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Not sure about the AMS, but Bambu would be a good first printer
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Do it, I've had my prusa mk3s for about 3 years and as soon as I get around to it I am switching to the x1c. I love the prusa but everything about the xc1 is better.
matternof fact I am ordering today. |
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Originally Posted By jt526: Do it, I've had my prusa mk3s for about 3 years and as soon as I get around to it I am switching to the x1c. I love the prusa but everything about the xc1 is better. matternof fact I am ordering today. View Quote Find any coupons by chance? That’d probably push me over the edge. |
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Microcenter had 10% off, in store only.
Compare matterhackers.com to bambu store to see if the additional loot makes it more attractive to buy there. With Memorial day coming, I'd watch for sales. |
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I had an ender 3 for about 2 months before I bought a P1P with AMS, then an X1C with AMS and then a P1P followed shortly by another AMS. Buy it and don't look back.
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Might as well, everyone gets there eventually.
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I have the P1S with no AMS, and couldnt be happier.
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My coworker, who is heavily, heavily into 3d printing for tabletop gaming figures, said that the Bambu printer is the first "appliance 3D printer" he has ever experienced.
What he meant was that you take it out of the box and plug it in and assemble it and it works with no setup and fiddling and experimenting. He says that all other previous printers he has owned/used were "hobby 3D printers"; and you spent more time learning out to make them work "reliably" than printing. He acknowledges that that is a bit of an exaggeration, but I get his point. |
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Always blame autocorrect.
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I went from a Creality to a Prusa mk3s+, to a Prusa mk4, and now I have a Bambu x1c with the AMS and I will say that it is nice.
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I’m >< close to putting in my CC info for the X1C.
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I'm going to order one, however, I'm going to wait until I can find a 10% off coupon just because there's nothing critical that I need to print right now.
Thanks for all of the info! |
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The only way an X1C for a first printer could be bad is if someone absolutely didn't have much use for 3d printing in general. In that case you might say look at an A1 or P1 just to save some $$ in case the hobby doesn't take. But since you are already somewhat knowledgeable, the X1C is a great buy.
For discounts, there may be something in the fall when they have their anniversary. |
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I’ve gone down the rabbit hole and am looking at the Sermoon D3 as it’s $1699 right now.
I know it doesn’t have all of the features that the Bambu does but I really just want fast, quality, prints and the Sermoon appears to allow for more durable filaments too. Decisions, decisions. |
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I bought a P1S and liked it so much that I ordered an X1C with AMS two days later to sit next to it
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I’ve read a bunch on the other one I was looking at and I’m just going to stick with the X1C.
I’m still hopeful that I can find a discount but I may just order it in the morning if I strike out. |
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My first 3D printer was an X1C with AMS. I’ve had a wonderful experience with it. Any issues I’ve had have come with a QR code and video on how to fix the issue. I’m sure there are plenty of other printers out there that are great. With the X1C, the user experience for a person who just wants to print stuff off the internet and design their own parts is phenomenal. The only reasons I can think of to not go that route are A.) budget or B.) you want to tinker and mod the printer as an adjacent hobby to actually printing stuff. Bambu does not appear to run sales on the X1CC often, but maybe hold out until Memorial Day to see if sales appear. They won’t be huge though. 10% off is probably about the best you can expect unless they announce a higher tier consumer model.
Recommend using orcaslicer instead of Bambu Studio though. It has all the benefits of Bambu Studio AND more advanced functionality, but can go with you if you end up adopting another brand of printer down the road. |
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I'm getting ready to order.
For stock spacers and the like that can get wet, be frozen, direct sunlight for hours, have chemicals on them, etc. should I go with ABS-GF or PETG-CF? |
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Originally Posted By Firestarter123: I'm getting ready to order. For stock spacers and the like that can get wet, be frozen, direct sunlight for hours, have chemicals on them, etc. should I go with ABS-GF or PETG-CF? View Quote PETG would be the better of those two. Atomic makes excellent CF PETG. |
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Here's my cart...thoughts?
$1700 after the filament and accessory discounts. Attached File Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Firestarter123: I'm getting ready to order. For stock spacers and the like that can get wet, be frozen, direct sunlight for hours, have chemicals on them, etc. should I go with ABS-GF or PETG-CF? View Quote And on both glass and PEI, I've found basic alcohol based hair spray to be the best. It's essentially PVA glue too, but you get a nice even thin coat that's drier and a bit harder than glue stick. And even with PEI or other polymer print surfaces, the hairspray or glue is more often a critical release agent than a holding & adhesion promoter. PETG is going to be a bit more trouble to dial in. It's going to be more prone to stringing, and "gooeyness" at higher temps you may try to accomplish something else you need the printer to do right. Then you'll be messing with retraction and jerk/acceleration... and 3D matrix of variables. I think PETG will have more chemical resistance, seeing as PET is used in commercial retail/industrial product bottles. ABS isn't bad, but I'd assume it's got less chemical/solvent resistance, seeing as how it's assembled as pipe for plumbing with solvent/glue. Don't expect miracles from the Carbon Fiber. CF filaments do generally perform better, but it's nothing like actual CF string, long shreds, or cloth, and vacuum molded with resin & baked. The layer/strand deposition lines in FDM, the CF shreds in there barely link or overlap between the layers. The benefit is that whatever tiny amount you get is better than "none" in a non-CF filament. Each additional layer going down from the nozzle can envelop whatever almost microscopic CF fuzz might be protruding from the previous lines for the brief moment its still molten, but the CF crosslinking you get is still generally less than the diameter of the layers. So CF parts are definitely stronger. They do better on all the deflection & torsion tests, where you just print a rod of it and hang weights from it off a table edge. But any FDM 3D printed part will always perform best under compression, rather than deflection, tension, or shear. I haven't looked into it, but maybe oven annealing of CF filament prints gets a little "flow" and the fibers migrate a bit? Or, that's not "a thing" or has all the other drawbacks of possible warpage, slump, and dimension changes. And from my perspective, annealing 3D prints seems like a risky hassle, and you're better off with just basic PLA as a mold positive or prototype fir some other sort of manufacturing like metal or polymer casting, resins, fiberglass, or traditional carbon fiber. For stock spacers, where it's mostly compression, and compression would additionally support against any tensile or deflection loads, if there even are any, I think it would do well. And ypu probably won't need CF at all. PETG on bare glass can adhere so hard, it'll pull chunks of glass off the plate. And all the freezer tricks, or heat from a hairdryer won't pop it loose. I'd say the risk to any four figure 3D printer is the same as any expensive equipment or tools. Mainly if you don’t actually use it. And the flip side with a introductory inexpensive printer is if you do use it, you're just out additional money & time when upgrading to the four-figure printer. However, if you did get your feet wet with an inexpensive basic printer, and find you will print a lot, there is a potential upside that it could still be useful to churn out parts or other projects simultaneously while the better printer is running other prints. |
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Why glue stick at all? It isn't needed or wanted for abs, petg, pla, tpu etc. These have build sheets, no glass bed anymore.
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It appears no glue stick is needed so I’ll cut it.
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Originally Posted By Firestarter123: Here's my cart...thoughts? $1700 after the filament and accessory discounts. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/128059/Screenshot_2024-05-13_102009_png-3213278.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/128059/Screenshot_2024-05-13_102019_png-3213282.JPG View Quote Lose the glue stick. Bambu filament is pricey for what it is, Is order something else. Skip the hardened extruder, unnecessary. Skip the Bambu hotend, get an E3D ObXidian hotend instead. It comes with extra wipers. Skip the PLA support. Use PETG for support. |
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I thought the hardened extruded was needed for CF but it’s not?
I plan on trying other filament brands and hot ends later but at first I just want to stick to Bambu since I just want things to work while starting out rather than trying to guess what’s wrong. I’ll go with the PETG for support though. Is it just that the support has to be a different material than the main print or why wouldn’t I use support specific filament? |
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Originally Posted By Firestarter123: I thought the hardened extruded was needed for CF but it’s not? I plan on trying other filament brands and hot ends later but at first I just want to stick to Bambu since I just want things to work while starting out rather than trying to guess what’s wrong. I’ll go with the PETG for support though. Is it just that the support has to be a different material than the main print or why wouldn’t I use support specific filament? View Quote It's a hack in the 3D printing world. PETG only sticks to itself and TPU, and TPU not very well at that. So you can use that fact and you can use nearly anything for supports for PETG and you can use PETG to support nearly anything else. It works best when extruder temps are within 20 degrees of each other which most of the time it is, u less you get into exotic stuff. The hardened extruder isn't the same as the hardened nozzle. You DO need a hardened nozzle for CF PETG, etc, but you really only need the hardened extruder itself if you're dealing with glass filled nylon or further exotic materials. I've not found it necessary for the basic stuff. If I ever wear it out I'll upgrade it, but I wouldn't call it necessary. |
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Originally Posted By -Obsessed-: It's a hack in the 3D printing world. PETG only sticks to itself and TPU, and TPU not very well at that. So you can use that fact and you can use nearly anything for supports for PETG and you can use PETG to support nearly anything else. It works best when extruder temps are within 20 degrees of each other which most of the time it is, u less you get into exotic stuff. The hardened extruder isn't the same as the hardened nozzle. You DO need a hardened nozzle for CF PETG, etc, but you really only need the hardened extruder itself if you're dealing with glass filled nylon or further exotic materials. I've not found it necessary for the basic stuff. If I ever wear it out I'll upgrade it, but I wouldn't call it necessary. View Quote Got it...thanks! |
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Originally Posted By Firestarter123: Order placed: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/128059/Screenshot_2024-05-13_124622_png-3213409.JPG View Quote First up, print a poop chute and some dessicant holders. Print the holders out of ASA. Welcome to the club. |
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Originally Posted By -Obsessed-: First up, print a poop chute and some dessicant holders. Print the holders out of ASA. Welcome to the club. View Quote I guess I should have ordered some ASA then...doh What's another small order...right I need to make a bench now for it to live on. I may take an afternoon off of work this week and do that. Thanks!!! |
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Originally Posted By Firestarter123: I guess I should have ordered some ASA then...doh What's another small order...right I need to make a bench now for it to live on. I may take an afternoon off of work this week and do that. Thanks!!! View Quote Make it nice and sturdy. Anchor it to a wall. It will shake. |
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Originally Posted By Firestarter123: I guess I should have ordered some ASA then...doh What's another small order...right I need to make a bench now for it to live on. I may take an afternoon off of work this week and do that. Thanks!!! View Quote Delay double tap on edit. I'm not firing on all cylinders today. My bad on the ASA reco. I should have said that up front. |
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Originally Posted By -Obsessed-: Delay double tap on edit. I'm not firing on all cylinders today. My bad on the ASA reco. I should have said that up front. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By -Obsessed-: Originally Posted By Firestarter123: I guess I should have ordered some ASA then...doh What's another small order...right I need to make a bench now for it to live on. I may take an afternoon off of work this week and do that. Thanks!!! Delay double tap on edit. I'm not firing on all cylinders today. My bad on the ASA reco. I should have said that up front. No worries. I just ordered 2kg to get free shipping and then some 8x3mm magnets for the poop chute design that I found and like. I may actually use the ASA for the stock spacers now that I read the specs if that doesn't sound like a bad idea? |
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Originally Posted By stewie97: I have 5 of them running currently spread across two of these tables from menards - no shaking what so ever https://cdn.menardc.com/main/items/media/QCILI001/ProductXLarge/2113350_2.jpg WAY better than the light duty pallet racking the were sitting on View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By stewie97: Originally Posted By -Obsessed-: Make it nice and sturdy. Anchor it to a wall. It will shake. I have 5 of them running currently spread across two of these tables from menards - no shaking what so ever https://cdn.menardc.com/main/items/media/QCILI001/ProductXLarge/2113350_2.jpg WAY better than the light duty pallet racking the were sitting on I'll need to make it 28" Wide and 30" deep or so and then however tall it needs to be. I plan on anchoring it to my reloading bench and to the wall. |
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Originally Posted By stewie97: yes, this is for a business I manage. Starlink screwed everyone with how they are mounting their latest gen antenna - our 3d printed adapter solves that issue. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By stewie97: Originally Posted By Firestarter123: Nice! I take it you must sell stuff? yes, this is for a business I manage. Starlink screwed everyone with how they are mounting their latest gen antenna - our 3d printed adapter solves that issue. Nice! |
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Always blame autocorrect.
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Could anyone tell me the working height that I'll need available for this machine with the AMS?
It looks like I can make the bench 28"W x 30"L with the space I have. |
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28" with AMS closed
34.5" max to open AMS lid. |
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Originally Posted By stewie97: I’m 6’2” - with my bench @ 36” getting inside the ams is almost too tall for me. Plan on being able to get to the back of the unit and easily as well View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By stewie97: Originally Posted By Firestarter123: Thanks!!!! I’m 6’2” - with my bench @ 36” getting inside the ams is almost too tall for me. Plan on being able to get to the back of the unit and easily as well Thanks for that! I’m 6’6” tall but I think I’ll just go with 31”. I can kneel if I have to but my wife may want to use it but she’s only 5’3” tall. |
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Originally Posted By Firestarter123: Thanks for that! I’m 6’6” tall but I think I’ll just go with 31”. I can kneel if I have to but my wife may want to use it but she’s only 5’3” tall. View Quote I'm 6'0", with a 41" bench. It is perfect. Just put the AMS next to the printer. Helps when printing PLA anyway. |
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