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Posted: 11/27/2020 3:08:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 58Teague: Found a bit more info. Still no idea on how many were provided. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 58Teague: Originally Posted By paddle3: Originally Posted By 58Teague: I believe the 2022s were purchased by the US to outfit Iraqi police? I remember reading something of the sort when I came across one. ETA. Of G19's... With the replacement of a readily obtainable part, G19's then became select fire. Cost of part was then about $2-300. (G18's were rare.) Found a bit more info. Still no idea on how many were provided. US-purchased SP 2022's were issued by MNSTC-I (Multi-National Security Transition Command-Iraq) to the Iraqi Army in 2005 Also, Eastern European AK's (allegedly) were initially being funded/provided to the Iraqi Army and National Police, (US or multi nationally sourced) since the AK platform did not entail an unfamiliar manual of arms to army or police. ($400USD for a select fire AK on the black market.) Imagine! 
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Posted: 11/27/2020 3:20:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Apec: Probably exported to arm security contractors, Iraqi LE and anyone deemed to be a "good guy" (we all know how well that worked out). Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Apec: Originally Posted By Eskander: So .. how did all these commercial looking rifles ( except select fire ) make it to Iraq? https://flic.kr/p/24uxJ4W https://flic.kr/p/Njv7BN https://flic.kr/p/PoZfeR https://flic.kr/p/Pmn1yu https://flic.kr/p/PmntJG Probably exported to arm security contractors, Iraqi LE and anyone deemed to be a "good guy" (we all know how well that worked out). There was at least one Colt Commando sourced (by ????) to the President of Kurdistan's security detail, which later found its way onto the open market. Basically, in Mosul, if one has the funds just about any weapons platform is for sale. And,... I would too surmise throughout Iraq, if not the entire region. |
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Posted: 11/27/2020 5:38:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/27/2020 5:54:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 58Teague: Anyone able to identify this pistol? I thought it was a french 1935 type but its not. From a paki dealer account. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/405668/french_png-1704580.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/405668/french2_png-1704582.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/405668/french3_png-1704583.JPG By looking at the shoddy craftsmanship I'd say it was built in a cave and with dull hand tools. |
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Posted: 11/27/2020 5:58:01 PM EDT
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My buddy found an old rusted Swedish K out in the desert of Iraq several years ago.
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Posted: 11/27/2020 6:00:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/27/2020 6:17:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 58Teague: Anyone able to identify this pistol? I thought it was a french 1935 type but its not. From a paki dealer account. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/405668/french_png-1704580.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/405668/french2_png-1704582.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/405668/french3_png-1704583.JPG Looks like a copy of a Mauser Model 1934 |
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Posted: 11/27/2020 6:30:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/27/2020 8:55:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By paddle3: It wouldn't surprise me in the least the Iraqi Army was also being supplied 2022's. (I never asked, nor was told where these came from, only that their being available at less than G19 prices on the black market.) Also, Eastern European AK's (allegedly) were initially being funded/provided to the Iraqi Army and National Police, (US or multi nationally sourced) since the AK platform did not entail an unfamiliar manual of arms to army or police. ($400USD for a select fire AK on the black market.) Imagine! |
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Posted: 11/28/2020 1:34:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/28/2020 1:41:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/28/2020 3:34:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 58Teague: Me: Let's check the arms sales chats today, see what they have Iraq: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En54-VkXcAEJkeX?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En54-3vXEAIV8Cn?format=jpg&name=large So much going on there...rattle can gold / silver paint, mismatched furniture, missing 3-4" of barrel...wowzers! |
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Posted: 11/28/2020 11:24:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/28/2020 11:26:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 58Teague: Polish Kbk AKMS (Seem to have been made in 1982 and 1987) in fantastic condition on sale in #Iraq for $1300 each. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En504FjXMAEzciK?format=jpg&name=largehttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/En50842XMAAgQZE?format=jpg&name=large Those are beautiful rifles |
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Posted: 11/29/2020 1:45:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 58Teague: Polish Kbk AKMS (Seem to have been made in 1982 and 1987) in fantastic condition on sale in #Iraq for $1300 each. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En504FjXMAEzciK?format=jpg&name=largehttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/En50842XMAAgQZE?format=jpg&name=large The average Iraqi laborer would consider $10USD a good days wage. |
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Posted: 11/29/2020 2:14:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreasyEasy: Those are beautiful rifles Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreasyEasy: Originally Posted By 58Teague: Polish Kbk AKMS (Seem to have been made in 1982 and 1987) in fantastic condition on sale in #Iraq for $1300 each. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En504FjXMAEzciK?format=jpg&name=largehttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/En50842XMAAgQZE?format=jpg&name=large Those are beautiful rifles They really are! 
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Posted: 11/29/2020 7:54:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/29/2020 7:55:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/29/2020 7:58:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/29/2020 8:10:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/29/2020 10:32:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/29/2020 10:46:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/29/2020 11:05:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/29/2020 11:16:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/29/2020 11:19:23 PM EDT
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Bump for a great thread.
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Posted: 11/29/2020 11:26:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 58Teague: A French BCF-66 pistol with the serial number 851936 for sale https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnIlTHeW8AExs9r?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnIlT9CXUAEtQJ0?format=jpg&name=large @MPiKM A pristine East German MPi-KMS-72 on sale in #Sanaa #Yemen recently for 12k Saudi Riyal (Around $3,200) with original kit. These are very well regarded locally. Fanastic presentation as usual. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em8-TlnWEAIMy8K?format=jpg&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em8-TVHXIAIWY3D?format=jpg&name=medium I have one of those pouches somewhere. |
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Posted: 11/29/2020 11:28:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/29/2020 11:29:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 58Teague: Still qualifies as uncommon https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoCMuIeXUAA4z2x?format=jpg&name=medium It never gets old seeing cavemen fight in PJs 
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Posted: 11/30/2020 6:27:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreasyEasy: It never gets old seeing cavemen fight in PJs Notice the USMC marked shirt on the far right!? 
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Posted: 11/30/2020 10:22:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 58Teague: 4.3" beats 1.93". Just saying https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmSIGufXYAI1sz6?format=jpg&name=small |
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Posted: 11/30/2020 11:17:51 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/30/2020 12:01:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 58Teague: An Indonesian foreign fighter in #Idlib with suppressed AM-50 pattern Anti Materiel Rifle  Cool stuff ...thanks for posting this. |
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Posted: 11/30/2020 12:55:07 PM EDT
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Very cool thread OP.
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Posted: 11/30/2020 12:59:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreasyEasy: Those are beautiful rifles Agree - I don't even like AKs, but I'd be in for that. |
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Posted: 11/30/2020 1:46:58 PM EDT
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Sweet thread. Thanks OP for the distraction at work.
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Posted: 11/30/2020 1:55:20 PM EDT
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Anyone else having issues with the files posted on pbs.twimg.com not displaying but I can ctrl+click them and they'll open in a separate tab?
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Posted: 11/30/2020 3:22:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/30/2020 3:35:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Theodoric: I want to clone that rifle. I wonder how that scope is mounted? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Theodoric: Originally Posted By 58Teague: 4.3" beats 1.93". Just saying https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmSIGufXYAI1sz6?format=jpg&name=small Mount off an AK cut off and bolted on with a clamp style set up? |
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Posted: 11/30/2020 3:41:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/30/2020 3:52:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 58Teague: PL 14, pakistan. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/405668/Screenshot_20201130142110_png-1708489.JPG Want! Badly. This looks even more like a BSG gun than the FN57 |
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Posted: 11/30/2020 3:56:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ginger-mech: Want! Badly. This looks even more like a BSG gun than the FN57 Reminds me of a Steyr M9A1 |
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Posted: 11/30/2020 4:56:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/30/2020 5:18:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 58Teague: Security Forces of #Ethiopia carried raids in various cities including Addis Ababa. Various weapons which were allegedly used by #Tigray People's Liberation Front (#TPLF). Several Kalashnikov variants including AKM, Type 56, Zastava M70B1 and AMD-65 were captured. included were several MPi-KmS-72 rifles, at least 2x M14 rifle, 3x Soviet PPS SMG, 1x RPD LGM, 1x GPMG (which is similar to an early/rebarreled Type 67? variant) 3x M60 MGs and 1x ZB vz. 26 LMG. And as usual, ~15x Russian Makarov PM pistols, 4x Russian RGD-5 hand grenades, 1x Russian F-1 hand grenade, IWI UZI and MAC-10 pattern SMGs seized as well. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/405668/M60_jpg-1708624.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/405668/M601_jpg-1708625.JPG https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoD7TvFXcAAqk5S?format=jpg&name=large Man...if those M60's could talk... |
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Posted: 11/30/2020 5:26:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nightmare0331: Man...if those M60's could talk... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nightmare0331: Originally Posted By 58Teague: Security Forces of #Ethiopia carried raids in various cities including Addis Ababa. Various weapons which were allegedly used by #Tigray People's Liberation Front (#TPLF). Several Kalashnikov variants including AKM, Type 56, Zastava M70B1 and AMD-65 were captured. included were several MPi-KmS-72 rifles, at least 2x M14 rifle, 3x Soviet PPS SMG, 1x RPD LGM, 1x GPMG (which is similar to an early/rebarreled Type 67? variant) 3x M60 MGs and 1x ZB vz. 26 LMG. And as usual, ~15x Russian Makarov PM pistols, 4x Russian RGD-5 hand grenades, 1x Russian F-1 hand grenade, IWI UZI and MAC-10 pattern SMGs seized as well. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/405668/M60_jpg-1708624.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/405668/M601_jpg-1708625.JPG https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoD7TvFXcAAqk5S?format=jpg&name=large Man...if those M60's could talk... It would probably sound something like "oink oink oink"  
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Posted: 11/30/2020 5:44:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/30/2020 5:47:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 58Teague: Re-barreled Martini Henry, possibly from a Hochtkiss machine rifle https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElaMOmUXYAYnRls?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElaMO9nWkAI1DV0?format=jpg&name=large 
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Posted: 11/30/2020 6:00:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 58Teague: Security Forces of #Ethiopia carried raids in various cities including Addis Ababa. Various weapons which were allegedly used by #Tigray People's Liberation Front (#TPLF). Several Kalashnikov variants including AKM, Type 56, Zastava M70B1 and AMD-65 were captured. included were several MPi-KmS-72 rifles, at least 2x M14 rifle, 3x Soviet PPS SMG, 1x RPD LGM, 1x GPMG (which is similar to an early/rebarreled Type 67? variant) 3x M60 MGs and 1x ZB vz. 26 LMG. And as usual, ~15x Russian Makarov PM pistols, 4x Russian RGD-5 hand grenades, 1x Russian F-1 hand grenade, IWI UZI and MAC-10 pattern SMGs seized as well. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/405668/M60_jpg-1708624.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/405668/M601_jpg-1708625.JPG https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoD7TvFXcAAqk5S?format=jpg&name=large |
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Posted: 11/30/2020 6:03:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By boerseun: Lol...I don't know which is more dangerous...those anti-tank mines or the VHS cassette! I laughed out loud when I saw that, next to a set of PVS-7s 
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Posted: 11/30/2020 6:06:45 PM EDT
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Thanks for all the pictures in this thread OP. To say the least, it's very interesting.
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Posted: 11/30/2020 6:45:36 PM EDT
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