You forgot the NATO bombing of Serbia.Soros is an international villian as bad as Putin is in my estimation that's why I have a difficult time getting supporting Ukraine.

What if I don't want to be taxed to pay for the neocons pet cause? What if I don't like being threatened with nuclear weapons for a cause that empowers my domestic enemies?

"Why don't we give China what they want? It's better than war and they have nukes, right?" Because China is the real enemy complete with copies of the communist manifesto in every bookstore. China is the one that owns the US cinc just ask why general Milley told them not to worry about Trump. I don't have handlers I'm an american no government pays me to be their grunt or shill. I'm 100% God family and country. How many on the Ukrainian side can say their position is also not influenced by their job or foreign interests?

Remember that raging guy in Adeline that was dumping a mattress & that older man & his son confronted him & said don't come any closer or he'd shoot?

The the raging tough guy stated for the father that shot him then the son gave him a shotgun blast that killed him, then there was wailing & bashing of teeth?

Probably telling them to hit military targets only, actually destroying the Kremlin and Moscow might get the keys turned.

With long range weapons they can hit every tank, airfield, munition and aircraft factory at will.

Then destroy the Kerch bridge and all oil refineries and oil production in Russia. Nothing is gained by destroying residential areas in or near Moscow.

Putin knows damn well he can afford to live comfortably at home or in exile even after political upheaval.  He's stolen b-b-b-billions.

It's not your more typical "bayonet up the butt" dictatorship ending.

He has no intention of starting a nuclear war.

There isn't a single western country trading even one of their cities for Ukraine.

Nonsense, London for one has been traded to third world immigrants partially so the neocons can control Ukraine, the same with Paris. In every western country there is a toxic pseudo Marxist elite trading our inheritance for their own gains financially and now openly territorialy in Ukraine.

It is already happening as is. Russia has been using long range strikes in Ukraine for over two years now so it is nothing new.

Just a few days ago a Ukrainian drone hit an apartment in Moscow.

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The propaganda from both sides is ridiculous at this point and we should remove ourselves.  If European nations chose to fight, let them do so.

The one scenario I can't plan for. General nuclear war and I don't have a fallout shelter. Shit, if I did have one where am I going after the hot stuff decays enough to leave. I haven't bought a radiation survey meter because it's just going to let me know how long I've got to die.

The Chernobyl melt down is nothing compared to real warheads going off like firecrackers.

Nuclear War: A Scenerio by Annie Jacobsen is kind of crazy about how a possible Nuclear war could start. But with our current leaders, anything is possible.

Deniers can keep whistling in the dark and hope for a few more years.

A cheap Ukrainian-made drone carrying at most a few kilograms of explosives hitting some random apartment building is not the same thing as an advanced US or British cruise missile with a 1,000 pound warhead slamming into Russian government buildings or military sites.

The Russians will get mad but accept the first one; the second is most certainly going to trigger a bigger response.  Especially if some Totenkopf-patch-wearing Banderites go rogue and decide to target the Kremlin itself in order to stick it to Putin.

General nuclear war is one of the reasons I decided to leave the country, I'll decide if I'll come back pending the election results if we still have a country. Anyplace from the equatorial zone south should be okay as far as fallout. It's probably easier to leave the northern hemisphere than build a bunker and live underground.

I would hope that there are a few sane launch officers in Russia that would not let it to happen. But we are talking Russia so......

Radiologically an exposed reactor turning to slag is quite a bit worse actually.

Its going to be interesting to see what Russias response will be if Blinken authorizes those missile strikes.
In the 1980’s advanced infantry training classes they told us at that time Russia would rather burn with their heads held high.
there were still hard liners in power.
I wonder if Russias nukes are still dirty or if they are clean burning now?
Get them nukes flying before Trump has a chance to end the war.
Bold move Harris/Biden lets see if it works out for us.

Putin orders nukes launched to avoid a defeat that will probably see him ousted.

Do his generals go along with this or do they take it as a sign that he has to go now? They don't want to get nuked in retaliation and I'm sure their fallout shelters are significantly less well stocked with coke and hookers than Putin's.

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How are those going to be different than Ukraine actually invading Russia*?

Ukraine literally invaded Russia. No nukes have flown. Invading Russia is far more escalatory than sending Jassm-ERs and tomahawks into Russian weapons plants. It's been little over a month and "mother russia" is still being occupied..no nukes.

(*Fake Russia (parts of Ukraine they annexed)
Real Russia (actual, internationally recognized Russia)

Ukrainian drones are flying into and striking Russia daily. How is this somehow so escalatory?



China has nukes.

So does North Korea.

But we have to be hostile to China and not appease like Russia..because nukes.



We know that.

We also know hostile nations lie to Americans, too.



It's interesting how China is the "real enemy" but is farther away from America.

What does Russia fly, again?







Russia claims everything about the USSR to be theirs (including the UNSC seat) except the bad.

No neocon wars with China!

I find it fascinating how your position changes.



And?

Russia just got busted funneling millions to "conservative voices" to push their agenda in addition to fueling marxist groups here in the USA.





There's a ton of people on the Ukrainian side who can say that. In fact, 99% of them here can say that.

I've never received a dime for my support. I hate all bullies and tyrants.


And ironically I married someone who was born in what is now China.






Everything is a "neocon" pet cause.

You think war with China will be somehow pleasant for civil liberties in the USA?

No Neocon war with China!

We have no treaty obligations and it is not in American interests to send the treasure of the American people to Ukraine. My ancestors were Slavic Uniate Catholics from the Lviv area who had land granted from Jan Sobieski and title from the Holy Roman Emperor. There was no Ukraine. They learned German and served the Emperor and holy Catholic Church. The family members who did not immigrate joined the nationalists and/or were executed for being descendants of the noble class. Why don’t we restore the Holy Roman Empire? It makes as much sense as trying to defend the banderites border lines.
There is no equivalence between the united states treaty obligations to Japan, South Korea and the Philippines and Ukraine. Furthermore there is no equivalency between the United States and its allies keeping China bottled up inside the first island chain the way General Douglas MacArthur told us in his farewell address to congress. I do not believe China will start a war in the Pacific because they will lose. Japan and South Korea will soon have their own nuclear arsenals. If Trump wins China will be peacefully contained. If Harris wins total war with the Sino-Russian-Persian axis will likely happen.
You say you hate bullies fine however a famous American president once told us not to go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. It’s not the mandate of our government here. I look forward to the day our protectorates in Asia have their own nuclear arsenals and we can withdraw and build fortress America and secure our own borders.
Barring that I will return to Europe to reclaim my family estate near Olesko castle and rebuild the Holy Roman Empire, may its enemies burn in hades forever. lol

Which red line is this that the west broke without so much as a whimper from Moscow?

What happened to:

No western tanks

No F16s

No western aid

No Migs

No aid

All of those are actual Russian Red lines that were broken with no consequences.

Feel free to fact check me. Look at it yourself, @frontiercowboy
There's even a wikipedia link for all the broken red lines and when they were broken.



But China doesn't have that and we should stand strong against them?



I'm not concerned about their point of view because it's wrong, just as when a democrat tells me I have to live in a tiny house, eat cricket meat, and not have a v8 truck because it's bad for the environment.

The history of Moscow's relations with their..uhh..neighbors is one filled with tyranny, genocide, ethnic cleansing, and crimes against humanity.




China just wants a sphere of influence too.





Would you let Kamala harris join the Trump team?

Russia was the nation all the former warsaw pact countries joined to be safe from. You wouldn't invite the fox to join the henhouse to lay eggs, would you?




What did Russia do in the early 90s that kick started that?

Look at all the Russian soldiers and tanks in Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.


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Can you point out where Ukraine tried to join Nato? When was it eligible?




Only the Russians are allowed to put FSB stations along Nato borders. How dare the west!

And ironically the border with Nato got a lot longer because of the war with Finland and Sweden joining.

Enjoy lake Nato and the gulf of cope, Krolowiec



Of course they didn't randomly decide to do it. They planned it all along, just like in 2021 when they were warned about the buildup and claimed they had no plans to invade.



Kuwait didn't invade Iraq and depose Saddam.

Ukraine won't depose Putin.

There is no chance of that.

This is strictly to rebuild an empire on the backs of conquered people and the genocide of a nation.



That's why another SLO (Special liberation operation, not a war or invasion) just happened.

Because Russia flattens everything with Kabs and Iskanders.






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Russia has collapsed multiple times in the past.

If we applied that same logic to China would it still be right?

"We can't push Xi too far"



Hold up, is Russia controlled by the deepstate?

This thread is about Russia using nukes.

The NWO got to putin



One figure I was told (Possibly R0N? It's been a little while but I considered it trustworthy) was that Russia spent 6 billion a year on nuke Maintenance. The USA spent 65 billion.

You do the math on which ones are more likely to work.

Like Ukraine is going to take Moscow and topple Putin?  Lol.

Russia and Ukraine are in a war that Russia started.

Russia has said that if a country gives missiles to Ukraine and they end up in Russia, russia will consider that an act of war by supplier.


It doesnt matter what we think. It doesnt matter what international law says. Russia will do what it will do.

They have a violent madman dictator and we have a senile old man who likes ice cream cones, bribes, and long sniffs.

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Off-ramp points are a key part of the strategy in the SCS if a conflicts come because there is the fear of pushing them too hard there also

But you would know that if you were not so focused on your Slavic cousins being killed by your Salvic second cousins.

There are people here in GD that think Soros is no kind of a threat at all.  Man has his hand in a lot of bad things.  They are the types of people that will project and label with their own emotions, but make excuses for Evil people while complaining about the same.

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Some of y'all are pearl clutching whining little bitches.

Grow a pair.  

On a scale of utopia to Cuban missile crisis, we're in candyland in a gumdrop house on lollipop lane.

So in your world, unfettered immigration is equivalent to MIRVS on foreheads?

Unfettered immigration will do to London and Paris what the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki failed to do to Japan. It will take awhile but I know most people today are not long term thinkers and their timeline ends with them so it doesn't register.

He's optimistic to a fault.

Who's clutching pearls? As a little kid Damn Nation alley and mad Max were my favorite movies. I'm just wondering how long our current regime will hold out. The protection racket jig is about up and Russia China Iran are collaborating. Nuclear war is the best outcome for the neocons at this point. That's probably why Putin hasn't given it to them yet.

68% odds nuclear strike by the first week of October.  83% odds of nuclear war by first week of Oct if nato authorizes use if long range weapons targeting Russia.

Seems pretty unlikely.

Russia seems content to waggle their nuclear dick about and then pretend nothing happened every time Ukraine or the west has called their bluff.  About 87 times now, by rough estimate.

Which would be red line number 30 the west has crossed without any consequences.

@JHS Ukraine has been sending American, British, and French missiles into Crimea for well over a year now. Reminder: Russia claims Crimea as it's own. According to them it's as legally Russia as Moscow, Kaliningrad, Kursk (Snicker), and Siberia.

Satellite images show Aftermath of Atacms strike on CRIMEA

Russia hasn't declared war on America, Poland, the Baltics, Germany, France, or the UK. Heck, Russia hasn't even declared war on Ukraine and Ukraine has actually invaded Russia and Russia is balls deep with a "Special military operation" into Ukraine.

Russia is a paper bear.



Somehow the "violent madman dictator" is being flummoxed and stopped by a senile old man.

Here's what's so hilarious;
even with the Ice Cream-eating, Window-Licking, drooling geriatric sitting behind The Resolute Desk (in spirit only, mind you LOL) throwing every dime we have (and no kitchen sinks) at Dem Russkies via the Ukrainski's, and nothing's really changed. It's like watching Cold War 2.45 with some actual ordinance tossed around for, you know, flavor.

China told him to knock that shit off awhile back and putin has not talked about it since then.

Saddam and Qaddafi were solidly in control of their countries until the State Dept decided otherwise.

Biden gives long range missiles to Ukraine... turns over the presidency to Harris days before the election...

This stuff is really getting out there but it’s our new reality. “Would-be Trump shooter Ryan Routh has published a 291 page book, "Unwinnable War," about his time in Ukraine's Int'l Legion
Routh says he'd like to see Putin assassinated, seems to hope for Trump's assassination as well, and calls for the US to "instigate" a nuclear war with...
pic.twitter.com/z4ZNPxwpov”
- Max Blumenthal (@MaxBlumenthal)

We’ve sent a pittance of old equipment and ammo.

We’ve sent 0 airplanes, 31 tanks, and ~100 Bradley’s when we have hundreds to thousands of each in storage.

The Europeans have sent 1000+ tanks.

To claim we’ve sent “every dime we have” just shows you know nothing.

Their POV is that they are the natural lords of Europe.

Does that mean we have to let them do as they please in Europe?

Russia wont use nukes, particularly strategic nukes. Tactical nukes would make more sense, but I don't think they want to show their capability (or more likely lack of).