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Posted: 7/23/2022 10:49:21 AM EST
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Posted: 7/23/2022 10:50:54 AM EST
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You pansy's got it all wrong
They are in front of us, behind us, and we are flanked on both sides by an enemy that outnumbers us 29:1. They can’t get away from us now!” “Great. Now we can shoot at them from every direction.” |
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Posted: 7/23/2022 10:54:32 AM EST
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Ideal? Probably a Marine Amtrac. Armored for small arms, water crossing isn’t a problem, can carry family and supplies and it runs off Diesel.
Realistically, probably a dirt bike with an extra quiet muffler. My SHTF (mostly Cat 2 or higher hurricanes around here) vehicle is a 4x4 Quigley van. Seats 9, has a queen-sized bed and lots of storage. Also have an enclosed 6x10’ trailer for more supplies and gear. Not perfect, but it’s what I have, which beats a theoretical vehicle any day.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/23/2022 10:58:35 AM EST
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Posted: 7/23/2022 10:59:51 AM EST
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Quoted: As the world turns to shit, I am thinking my 44ft. sailboat purchase was good. Maybe as a short term escape, but if you mean SHTF like full financial collapse or war then are you going to just live on fish of the sea? Got a desalination unit? Every sailing channel I've followed are constantly making repairs on thier sailboats. Almost always in some foreign port. You think those folks will continue smiling at you when your GringoBux are worthless? I had a buddy whose passion was sailing. Sailing solo without a radar unit means 15 minute catnaps crossing shipping lanss. Soloing in stormy seas is rough on folks in great physical condition. Say a storm puts you anchored on a little island's leeward so you can take refuge on land. Storm clears, but your all you see of the boat are it's masts sticking up in the lagoon. No fresh water on this little bit of paradise, either. |
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Posted: 7/23/2022 11:00:19 AM EST
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It depends on what your SHTF event is. Mine was a natural disaster and my 4runner did the trick just fine. Hauling my family, pets, and valuables/essentials an SUV did the trick.
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Posted: 7/23/2022 11:01:40 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ideal? Probably a Marine Amtrac. Armored for small arms, water crossing isn't a problem, can carry family and supplies and it runs off Diesel. I like your van. |
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Posted: 7/23/2022 11:04:36 AM EST
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Sprinter van. 4x4 diesel.
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Posted: 7/23/2022 11:05:12 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe as a short term escape, but if you mean SHTF like full financial collapse or war then are you going to just live on fish of the sea? Got a desalination unit? Every sailing channel I've followed are constantly making repairs on thier sailboats. Almost always in some foreign port. You think those folks will continue smiling at you when your GringoBux are worthless? I had a buddy whose passion was sailing. Sailing solo without a radar unit means 15 minute catnaps crossing shipping lanss. Soloing in stormy seas is rough on folks in great physical condition. Say a storm puts you anchored on a little island's leeward so you can take refuge on land. Storm clears, but your all you see of the boat are it's masts sticking up in the lagoon. No fresh water on this little bit of paradise, either. A lone sailboat will be robbed and sunk at sea = bad choice |
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Posted: 7/23/2022 11:08:50 AM EST
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I'm thinking something like a DG-800 motorglider. Self-launching, propulsor stows after launch. doesn't need a runway. Doesn't use a lot of fuel, arbitrary range. Depending on your weather and geography that can be a looong way.
Don't be on their level. Rise above the bullshit.  
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Posted: 7/23/2022 11:10:04 AM EST
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I'm surprised helicopter wasn't listed... I guess it depends on if you're expecting an EMP-type disaster, or if you're worried about SAMs. You would need a set destination or three ready to go, of course not to mention the requisite pilot skills...
I like the idea of a covert van - a relative bought a used delivery van from a donut shop and turned it into a mobile contractor van. With the right tools you could have some cool add-ons. |
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Posted: 7/23/2022 11:13:36 AM EST
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Tacoma 4 wheel drive you can’t count on using roads
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Posted: 7/23/2022 11:15:14 AM EST
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Why would I go anywhere?
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Posted: 7/23/2022 11:15:21 AM EST
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Older analogue 4WD extended cab short bed Truck with a dirt bike and supplies in the back.
Side by sides. Really depends. |
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Posted: 7/23/2022 11:15:53 AM EST
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Hot air balloon
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Posted: 7/23/2022 11:17:11 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm surprised helicopter wasn't listed... I guess it depends on if you're expecting an EMP-type disaster, or if you're worried about SAMs. You would need a set destination or three ready to go, of course not to mention the requisite pilot skills... It's relatively easy to find a safe landing spot in the daytime. Fuel is a bit harder to come by. |
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Posted: 7/23/2022 11:18:54 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wrestle with this same dilemma all the time. I have an f250 and 36' camper with solar panels. With the reduced fuel mileage is it better to leave it behind. Not to mention easier to jump median or rough terrain. I really want an 8x16ish dual axle enclosed trailer with solar for any gtfo situation. I figure it it is a weather evac I will pull the camper. If it were a civil unrest reason and staying home was out of the question, I would take the enclosed trailer or nothing at all. I think many people focus too much on mass events and don't consider events that might have them fleeing while everyone else is staying put. I know for me, my son is type 1 diabetic. If America falls apart and I can't get him insulin, I'll be looking to travel to a place or country where it's available. While I can stock some, it degrades over time and within a year or so I have to have a new source. |
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Posted: 7/23/2022 11:20:56 AM EST
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Not a sailboat! I want something at least big enough to store my toilet paper so I don't have to rob people I meet along the way
 We have around 2,500nm range before we break out bladders or resupply. I'm not aware of any circumstance where leaving on a boat has been restricted in any way, whereas air and land travel is often stopped during time of crisis. That buys you a lot of freedom...   |
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Posted: 7/23/2022 11:23:43 AM EST
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The Bell 407 I have sitting in my agencies hangar that I keep topped off at all times for just such an event.
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Posted: 7/23/2022 11:24:02 AM EST
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My family hauling escape vehicle.
 Attached FileSeats six, 35" tires, factory lift, rear locker, front limited slip, 33" fording depth, 10.8" of ground clearance, fairly comfortable ride and pulls the camper easily. I need to get the winch mounted. |
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Posted: 7/23/2022 11:26:10 AM EST
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Feet.
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Posted: 7/23/2022 11:27:06 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd suggest donkeys instead. Donkeys can make more donkeys, mules cannot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: seriously? since you included land vehicles i assume you were considering land based SHTF solutions. to that i present the following, mules. seriously, when the roads are clogged and you cant get gas you still need to get through. and you bug out vehicle can live off the land and worse case scenario, if you run out of food, you can eat your bug out vehicle... https://s3.amazonaws.com/cms.ipressroom.com/352/files/20195/5d1136612cfac267b1d8b55f_SCE+pack+mules/SCE+pack+mules_54322abd-9382-4ae2-bfd1-f31aa4fdfb59-prv.jpg I'd suggest donkeys instead. Donkeys can make more donkeys, mules cannot. Same with large breeds of goats if on foot. I read of one fellow who uses pack goats on hunting trips out west. I think his were Alpine. He liked them because they could carry a lot of weight for thier size and no lead neccessary. They just follow to stay in sight. No special feed neccessary. They browse while travelling. He reported that they don't spook game and will alert if a predator shows up at night. The large breeds are mainly kept for milk. A bonus. Especially if little ones are in tow. Kids with problems with cow's milk can often drink goat milk. |
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Posted: 7/23/2022 11:41:21 AM EST
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Posted: 7/23/2022 11:51:35 AM EST
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Boat. Don't own one but if it gets that bad I have plenty I can "borrow"
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Posted: 7/23/2022 11:56:39 AM EST
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How about a Hobie cat?
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Posted: 7/23/2022 11:58:10 AM EST
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Depends on where you live and can get to.
A boat kind of sucks if you live in North Dakota, maybe you could head up to Hudson Bay and escape. That is a long ways to go. |
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Posted: 7/23/2022 12:00:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What do you think is going to happen, and where do you think you're going to go? If it's the kind of situation that's happening everywhere, then you can't run from it. If it's localized - like a hurricane - then it'll look like this: https://alisonnissen.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/rita-evacuation.jpg And in that event, it doesn't matter what sort of vehicle you're trying to run away in. The guy in the '76 Ford Pinto is gonna win that race as long as he's smart enough to get out of there *before everyone else decides to*.  Attached File
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Posted: 7/23/2022 12:04:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How about a Hobie cat? Have had a couple of Hobie cats and that 20 foot mast is hard to hide but man where those are fun when you are 30 years old ... but the sails stick out and you can't carry anything that can not get soaked ... loved my Hobies |
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Posted: 7/23/2022 12:06:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A white van with the words "Coroner" or "Infectious Disease" on the side. Put all of your supplies inside body bags then put some rotten meat where the zipper closes. The first whiff and anyone wanting to look inside will run. Can I subscribe to your newsletter?
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Posted: 7/23/2022 12:09:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SHTF or Zombie apocalypse i think an ambulance would be an awesome vehicle to have. even if you strip the medical supplies from it. then you have 87,000 soccer moms chasing you because junior has the sniffles. 69,000 obese people waddling after you because they have the beetus. 129,000 chasing after you because the have a 3mm cut on their finger.
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Posted: 7/23/2022 12:09:10 PM EST
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If you're planning to bug out you're planning to fail. The ideal situation is to be prepared to stay home for at least 9 months without needing to go anywhere. Trusted neighbors are an asset, not a liability.
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Posted: 7/23/2022 12:25:41 PM EST
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If you can get to it any sailboat would be the first choice then a powerboat, followed by a airplane.
At least if SHTF you can get on the water away from the masses. Sailboat can cover long distances with very little fuel usage, only limiting factor would be food and water if you don't have a water maker on board. But with any bug out vehicle you need to get to it first and then get out. |
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Posted: 7/23/2022 12:34:43 PM EST
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I'd say diesel truck. fin one semi and there's 100 gallons, most times when natural disasters hit stations run out of gas but have diesel.
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Posted: 7/23/2022 12:36:57 PM EST
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Posted: 7/23/2022 12:51:18 PM EST
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This, with a diesel fuel trailer. When I run out of fuel, that's where the new homestead will be. I live rural anyway, so the only way I'd bugout is natural disaster, chem attack.
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Posted: 7/23/2022 12:53:46 PM EST
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I was on the very last commercial flight to land at New Orleans AP, for deployment into Katrina,(prior to landfall) where I remained for +3 months, before being retask to post Rita/Wilma efforts.
Everything - gets shut down. Everything got locked up. Everything. Looting started even before the storm made landfall and went into over dive within hours of it passing. I helped to clear the walmart that was shown briefly on CNN, before the media was no longer allowed in. They took everything, even the toliets and power wires from the walls. The looters packed up, organized and were often more heavily armed than we were. Drug cartels scooped in, along with 'heavier' criminal organized gangs, to re-assert/take over certain areas. I recall a then internal field doc that stated something like 30k inmates had been released and were now on the loose. They (U.S. Marshals) hoped to 'pick them up at a later time' lol. We found random people stuffed inside refrigerators, clothes driers & dumpsters. Dogs went feral in what seemed like about a week or so. They packed up too. Gas stations ran out of gas. If you could find it, its was $10 a gallon, dirty and had been 'cut with Lord knows what. (gas was just $1.80 a gal then) Bottle water was worth its weight in gold. Supplies; You either had it or you didnt. If you had it, that set you up for other issues. Bottom line: You where either stuck there, in hell or you had gotten out long before hand. That is a fact that was never lost on me, looking back at it. Once it all went to shit, there was no 'getting out' Some people tried to walk out, hard to know who was able to. I saw the bloated bodies of some that I supposed, didn't make it out like they had hoped. |
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Posted: 7/23/2022 12:55:15 PM EST
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I’m thinking the Dildozer or AssBlaster would make a good entry (or exit) through traffic.
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Posted: 7/23/2022 12:56:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd suggest donkeys instead. Donkeys can make more donkeys, mules cannot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: seriously? since you included land vehicles i assume you were considering land based SHTF solutions. to that i present the following, mules. seriously, when the roads are clogged and you cant get gas you still need to get through. and you bug out vehicle can live off the land and worse case scenario, if you run out of food, you can eat your bug out vehicle... https://s3.amazonaws.com/cms.ipressroom.com/352/files/20195/5d1136612cfac267b1d8b55f_SCE+pack+mules/SCE+pack+mules_54322abd-9382-4ae2-bfd1-f31aa4fdfb59-prv.jpg I'd suggest donkeys instead. Donkeys can make more donkeys, mules cannot. Plus, they are lower profile and eat less. |
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Posted: 7/23/2022 12:57:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd suggest donkeys instead. Donkeys can make more donkeys, mules cannot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: seriously? since you included land vehicles i assume you were considering land based SHTF solutions. to that i present the following, mules. seriously, when the roads are clogged and you cant get gas you still need to get through. and you bug out vehicle can live off the land and worse case scenario, if you run out of food, you can eat your bug out vehicle... https://s3.amazonaws.com/cms.ipressroom.com/352/files/20195/5d1136612cfac267b1d8b55f_SCE+pack+mules/SCE+pack+mules_54322abd-9382-4ae2-bfd1-f31aa4fdfb59-prv.jpg I'd suggest donkeys instead. Donkeys can make more donkeys, mules cannot. |
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Posted: 7/23/2022 1:00:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: seriously? since you included land vehicles i assume you were considering land based SHTF solutions. to that i present the following, mules. seriously, when the roads are clogged and you cant get gas you still need to get through. and you bug out vehicle can live off the land and worse case scenario, if you run out of food, you can eat your bug out vehicle... https://s3.amazonaws.com/cms.ipressroom.com/352/files/20195/5d1136612cfac267b1d8b55f_SCE+pack+mules/SCE+pack+mules_54322abd-9382-4ae2-bfd1-f31aa4fdfb59-prv.jpg Not to downplay their practicality, but if nobody can get fuel, you are going to have about zero chance to get from A to B with a train of mules without you and the mules being eaten by cannibals. There is just no friggin' way. And if - on the minute chance - you are remote enough to avoid that you don't need to escape in the first place. No gas means moving on foot or, at most, with judicious use of a bike. You can stuff a bike and bike trailer in a bush and leave it there for a month and nobody will be the wiser if you hide it well. People shit-talking the cargo capacity of a bicycle are historical illiterates and need to have a word with the Vietnamese - and understand you don't have to just ride the thing. It's effectively a most-terrain wheelbarrow that you can also ride on. Boats obviously also have their own appeal if that's where you live. |
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Posted: 7/23/2022 1:06:37 PM EST
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My Honda CRF250L with 3.5 gallon tank.
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Posted: 7/23/2022 1:08:12 PM EST
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Posted: 7/23/2022 1:09:20 PM EST
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If I'm lucky enough...a foo fighter (space alien starship).
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Posted: 7/23/2022 1:11:23 PM EST
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Some kind of Enduro motorcycle with luggage.
But I'm not leaving. You'll find my dead body in a pile of casings. |
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Posted: 7/23/2022 1:12:51 PM EST
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With the multi-fuel engine, could drive this just about anywhere and find where to make a homestead. Plus it would carry a good amount of gear and i would have solar on the too of it.
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Posted: 7/23/2022 1:13:46 PM EST
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A sailboat is, IMO, maybe not the best idea. You have virtually no ability to produce food unless you want to eat a LOT of fish. Moreover, you are highly dependent on resupply from land which often times could be in less than 1st world ports. To avoid regional or short term SHTF I'd love the idea of a boat, but for a long term SHTF event? I dont know.... On one hand it'd be great to sail a mile out cause no one is going to fuck with you. But, you cant stay there forever.
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Posted: 7/23/2022 1:16:38 PM EST
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Something low key. You don't want to attract attention.
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Posted: 7/23/2022 1:16:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Volvo 245/745 /End thread This isn't wrong. I bought a 740 for $500 to drive while working a hurricane relief gig so I wouldn't tear up my truck. Kept it for another year and then sold it running for $500. I think I only put $200 in repairs into it. Anyhow, my 05 Suburban AWD 6.0L seems to be a good contender. Absolute beast and will haul a lot of supplies. |
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Posted: 7/23/2022 1:19:39 PM EST
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Sailboat, but there are no islands to go to around here, so truck in my case.
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