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Posted: 3/17/2023 9:17:05 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m with you two… Getting longer battery life and not having to rezero your optic after (more frequent) battery changes is for fags. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yea. Side loading, shake awake, and multiple reticles are all things I don’t give a fuck about. Same. I like the circle reticle on the holosun for some guns, but for the most part I prefer the dot. The once a year battery change means nothing to me. Shake awake I personally find annoying. I just leave my rmr’s on. I actually kind of like simplicity. Again, I like the holosun and run a few, but I have cracked the optic on one. I think it was a fluke and might have happened to the rmr as well, but I just trust the rmr more at this point. I have a beat to shit 508t that’s ticking away still. I’m with you two… Getting longer battery life and not having to rezero your optic after (more frequent) battery changes is for fags. I've never had to rezero any of my rmrs |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 9:18:59 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We do buy something else; we buy Holosun. And then people are like, "er, muh Trijicon! Shake awake is a gimmick, swapping batteries every few months is new big deal, solar backup is a gimmick, derp!" I have no problem with you buying a Trijicon. I have an RMR and 3 SROs But Holosun is a much better deal. They are, at worst, 90% as reliable, twice as many features, and half the price. They are like the MBT-2S of the trigger world, but better. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No they don't and no we don't. Many people are just perfectly happy with their current products. If you don like them buy something else. This constant screeching for "innovation" is tiresome. Buy something else. We do buy something else; we buy Holosun. And then people are like, "er, muh Trijicon! Shake awake is a gimmick, swapping batteries every few months is new big deal, solar backup is a gimmick, derp!" I have no problem with you buying a Trijicon. I have an RMR and 3 SROs But Holosun is a much better deal. They are, at worst, 90% as reliable, twice as many features, and half the price. They are like the MBT-2S of the trigger world, but better. Why are you swapping batteries every few months. I swear most people bitching about rmrs know nothing about them |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 9:21:49 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Everybody wants to MAGA until it's time to pay American workers to build American Products  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 9:21:52 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's just annoying, that's all anyone is saying. Why deal with it if you don't HAVE to? Why pay double for less features and less convenience? Not rhetorical. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The re-zero argument is retarded. First of all, show me where anyone properly installing the RMR has had to rezero. Everything I've seen and experienced is similar to recounting a RTZ mount... maybe 1 MOA shift. Secondly, why aren't you shooting enough to reconfirm zero? Third, even if the zero shifted 20 MOA (a near impossibility) and the second you got the new battery in a ninja attacked you... that's what, 2 inches at 30 feet? Holy shit. It's just annoying, that's all anyone is saying. Why deal with it if you don't HAVE to? Why pay double for less features and less convenience? Not rhetorical. Because it's a more rugged optic and the company isn't china. It's also not annoying because it's unnecessary |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 9:24:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've never had to rezero any of my rmrs Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yea. Side loading, shake awake, and multiple reticles are all things I don’t give a fuck about. Same. I like the circle reticle on the holosun for some guns, but for the most part I prefer the dot. The once a year battery change means nothing to me. Shake awake I personally find annoying. I just leave my rmr’s on. I actually kind of like simplicity. Again, I like the holosun and run a few, but I have cracked the optic on one. I think it was a fluke and might have happened to the rmr as well, but I just trust the rmr more at this point. I have a beat to shit 508t that’s ticking away still. I’m with you two… Getting longer battery life and not having to rezero your optic after (more frequent) battery changes is for fags. I've never had to rezero any of my rmrs Same. In/lb torque wrench and move on with your life. |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 9:28:19 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why are you swapping batteries every few months. I swear most people bitching about rmrs know nothing about them Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: No they don't and no we don't. Many people are just perfectly happy with their current products. If you don like them buy something else. This constant screeching for "innovation" is tiresome. Buy something else. We do buy something else; we buy Holosun. And then people are like, "er, muh Trijicon! Shake awake is a gimmick, swapping batteries every few months is new big deal, solar backup is a gimmick, derp!" I have no problem with you buying a Trijicon. I have an RMR and 3 SROs But Holosun is a much better deal. They are, at worst, 90% as reliable, twice as many features, and half the price. They are like the MBT-2S of the trigger world, but better. Why are you swapping batteries every few months. I swear most people bitching about rmrs know nothing about them In for an answer to this question. |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 9:31:45 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I love Trijicon, but in this instance, don't bother arguing the RMR bros. They are convinced Holosuns are trash and Trijicon is unbeatable. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's just annoying, that's all anyone is saying. Why deal with it if you don't HAVE to? Why pay double for less features and less convenience? Not rhetorical. I love Trijicon, but in this instance, don't bother arguing the RMR bros. They are convinced Holosuns are trash and Trijicon is unbeatable. I don't think they're trash. I think they are less rugged and you're supporting china needlessly. |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 9:32:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryYou make people sad |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 9:35:13 AM EST
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I'm an old man that is not taking either one into combat. The circle dot works for my eyes much better than a single smear. If you want to hate on me for using what works best for me personally, flame away.
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Posted: 3/17/2023 9:37:45 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If Holosun gets RMR durability then Trijicon is finished. I agree. I bet if holosun got rid of all the useless gimmicky stuff it might actually get close. Fwiw I do understand how hard it is to stay away from Chinese made stuff. I have a primary arms 3x micro prism as there's really nothing close to it in terms of size/weight/eyebox/and price. Holosuns are not that much cheaper than rmrs and their "features" don't actually do anything important. |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 9:38:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Doubt it, simply because people will overpay for the same quality just because. Surefire has gotten away with it for two decades. I trust some of my Chinese lights more than my Surefire lights, and there is significant evidence that they are just as good as Surefire in terms of durability, and performance has surpassed Surefire performance for quite some time. Yet people buy them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If Holosun gets RMR durability then Trijicon is finished. Doubt it, simply because people will overpay for the same quality just because. Surefire has gotten away with it for two decades. I trust some of my Chinese lights more than my Surefire lights, and there is significant evidence that they are just as good as Surefire in terms of durability, and performance has surpassed Surefire performance for quite some time. Yet people buy them. There is no significant evidence. |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 9:41:13 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've never had to rezero any of my rmrs Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yea. Side loading, shake awake, and multiple reticles are all things I don’t give a fuck about. Same. I like the circle reticle on the holosun for some guns, but for the most part I prefer the dot. The once a year battery change means nothing to me. Shake awake I personally find annoying. I just leave my rmr’s on. I actually kind of like simplicity. Again, I like the holosun and run a few, but I have cracked the optic on one. I think it was a fluke and might have happened to the rmr as well, but I just trust the rmr more at this point. I have a beat to shit 508t that’s ticking away still. I’m with you two… Getting longer battery life and not having to rezero your optic after (more frequent) battery changes is for fags. I've never had to rezero any of my rmrs What’s the secret? Who milled your slides? after a battery change are you reusing the same screws or using new screws? Loctite or no loctite? |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 9:41:43 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t know where this myth came from? Trijicon promoted the RMR TYPE 1 as a handgun optic. I sat through their “training” (marketing) class at shot show in 2015. They were absolutely promoting it as a service pistol optic. Two years later, in 2017, they released the type2. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Was the blink a Gen 1 (or what’s now referred to as a Type 1)? If so that’s not really on the optic. Back then they never really meant for these things to go on handguns. I don’t know where this myth came from? Trijicon promoted the RMR TYPE 1 as a handgun optic. I sat through their “training” (marketing) class at shot show in 2015. They were absolutely promoting it as a service pistol optic. Two years later, in 2017, they released the type2. They were recently promoted for handgun use but they weren't designed for it. The type 1s just need some simple fixes and I actually prefer them to the 2s. |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 9:45:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What’s the secret? Who milled your slides? after a battery change are you reusing the same screws or using new screws? Loctite or no loctite? I use Vibratite and a torque wrench. I won’t say I’ve never had to rezero but it’s never been off by more than a couple of clicks. If my back was against the wall and I had to run it without the opportunity to rezero I wouldn’t be overly concerned. |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 9:46:54 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What’s the secret? Who milled your slides? after a battery change are you reusing the same screws or using new screws? Loctite or no loctite? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yea. Side loading, shake awake, and multiple reticles are all things I don’t give a fuck about. Same. I like the circle reticle on the holosun for some guns, but for the most part I prefer the dot. The once a year battery change means nothing to me. Shake awake I personally find annoying. I just leave my rmr’s on. I actually kind of like simplicity. Again, I like the holosun and run a few, but I have cracked the optic on one. I think it was a fluke and might have happened to the rmr as well, but I just trust the rmr more at this point. I have a beat to shit 508t that’s ticking away still. I’m with you two… Getting longer battery life and not having to rezero your optic after (more frequent) battery changes is for fags. I've never had to rezero any of my rmrs What’s the secret? Who milled your slides? after a battery change are you reusing the same screws or using new screws? Loctite or no loctite? All have been on mounts. Aridus, scalarworks, dueck defense, and larue. No secret. I have a dual illuminated rmr on an AR I took of 3-4x ones session and remounted with no loss of zero. |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 9:49:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have one of these on my shortlist https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/42509/8E23B64F-15FC-4DB7-ACB3-C4721CAF9258_jpe-2748776.JPG Got one last Friday. Put it on my G45. Cowitnesses, and is very slim looking. Very cool, but it does not have a shake awake. You can turn it off and on with a button, but it takes a few seconds. Green is better than I expected. I wanted red, but am pleasantly surprised. It is solar powered and a non removable rechargeable battery. Not sure how long the battery will go without sunlight to recharge. I've been turning it off when not in use. Not the best thing, IMHO. I like my 507k v2. on my 48 for the auto off, shake a wake features. 
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Posted: 3/17/2023 9:52:32 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They were recently promoted for handgun use but they weren't designed for it. The type 1s just need some simple fixes and I actually prefer them to the 2s. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Was the blink a Gen 1 (or what’s now referred to as a Type 1)? If so that’s not really on the optic. Back then they never really meant for these things to go on handguns. I don’t know where this myth came from? Trijicon promoted the RMR TYPE 1 as a handgun optic. I sat through their “training” (marketing) class at shot show in 2015. They were absolutely promoting it as a service pistol optic. Two years later, in 2017, they released the type2. They were recently promoted for handgun use but they weren't designed for it. The type 1s just need some simple fixes and I actually prefer them to the 2s. True. It’s true that Trijicon designed the RMR to piggy back on the ACOG. Later, people started using them on handguns. Trijicon then (2015) promoted their use on handguns trying to get LE contracts. That’s when the problems started reveling themselves in sufficient numbers to cause the Type2 around 2017. It’s disingenuous when fan boys ignore that two year period where Trijicon promoted the RMR type1 as a service handgun optic. |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 9:53:41 AM EST
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work on your garbage presentation... oh wait, might have been premature on that one, sorry
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Posted: 3/17/2023 9:59:14 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All have been on mounts. Aridus, scalarworks, dueck defense, and larue. No secret. I have a dual illuminated rmr on an AR I took of 3-4x ones session and remounted with no loss of zero. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yea. Side loading, shake awake, and multiple reticles are all things I don’t give a fuck about. Same. I like the circle reticle on the holosun for some guns, but for the most part I prefer the dot. The once a year battery change means nothing to me. Shake awake I personally find annoying. I just leave my rmr’s on. I actually kind of like simplicity. Again, I like the holosun and run a few, but I have cracked the optic on one. I think it was a fluke and might have happened to the rmr as well, but I just trust the rmr more at this point. I have a beat to shit 508t that’s ticking away still. I’m with you two… Getting longer battery life and not having to rezero your optic after (more frequent) battery changes is for fags. I've never had to rezero any of my rmrs What’s the secret? Who milled your slides? after a battery change are you reusing the same screws or using new screws? Loctite or no loctite? All have been on mounts. Aridus, scalarworks, dueck defense, and larue. No secret. I have a dual illuminated rmr on an AR I took of 3-4x ones session and remounted with no loss of zero. I’ve always had to rezero mine after removing them. With a really tight direct mill “mount” and using identical screws and a torque driver any zero shift should be minimized. But I won’t carry mine after a battery change until I get to the range to confirm zero. |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 10:03:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is no significant evidence. Link to all the failing Thrunite lights? Link to all the failing Acebeam lights? Link to all the failing Nitecore lights? Oh, there are none? Weird. China sucks I thought. Despite EVERY flashlight emitter being made in China. Even Surefire's. |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 10:04:28 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why are you swapping batteries every few months. I swear most people bitching about rmrs know nothing about them I'm 99% certain I own more RDS than you. |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 10:07:56 AM EST
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Posted: 3/17/2023 10:10:07 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Link to all the failing Thrunite lights? Link to all the failing Acebeam lights? Link to all the failing Nitecore lights? Oh, there are none? Weird. China sucks I thought. Despite EVERY flashlight emitter being made in China. Even Surefire's. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There is no significant evidence. Link to all the failing Thrunite lights? Link to all the failing Acebeam lights? Link to all the failing Nitecore lights? Oh, there are none? Weird. China sucks I thought. Despite EVERY flashlight emitter being made in China. Even Surefire's. You said there was evidence. You post them You realize Taiwan isn't china...right? |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 10:10:19 AM EST
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Posted: 3/17/2023 10:11:43 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm 99% certain I own more RDS than you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why are you swapping batteries every few months. I swear most people bitching about rmrs know nothing about them I'm 99% certain I own more RDS than you. So why are you replacing rmr batteries every couple months? I know people who own hundreds of guns but doesn't know shit about them. Is that you with optics? Sounds like it. |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 10:14:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So why are you replacing rmr batteries every couple months? I know people who own hundreds of guns but doesn't know shit about them. Is that you with optics? Sounds like it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why are you swapping batteries every few months. I swear most people bitching about rmrs know nothing about them I'm 99% certain I own more RDS than you. So why are you replacing rmr batteries every couple months? I know people who own hundreds of guns but doesn't know shit about them. Is that you with optics? Sounds like it. Owns so many that one or more is due for a battery change at any given time? LE armorer? I had students that were not allowed to change their own RMR batteries. |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 10:28:54 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So why are you replacing rmr batteries every couple months? I know people who own hundreds of guns but doesn't know shit about them. Is that you with optics? Sounds like it. Please quote where I said I was personally replacing RMR batteries all the time. I said shake awake isn't a gimmick and people say it is. I said solar isn't a gimmick. Take the beloved Acro P2 for example. They claim a 15k hour battery life, but that's on setting 2 of 6. On 3 of six it is 7k hours, on 4 of 6 it is 3k hours and 5 of six it is barely 1k hours and at full brightness an EOTech lasts longer. People are replacing their Acro batteries constantly or they have realized they need to turn their optics off after each use. You know what fails more than shake awake? Physical buttons. RMRs and SROs (both of which have their place) have even worse battery life than the ACRO. I've NEVER replaced a Holosun Battery. I have some that are 7 years old and get shot every weekend nearly, still on their original batteries. I have a Leupold LCO that I bought the month it came out, nearly a DECADE ago, that still has the original battery, thanks to Shake Awake. So, why should people need to replace batteries at all? It's unnecessary. While I agree the RMR battery dismounting thing is overblown to some of us you need to realize that there is a thread at LEAST once a month of people stripping their RMR screws because they boogered them up changing a battery. I've never heard of anyone screwing up Holosun screws because you mount it ONCE and then you're done. There is ZERO reason to not have shake awake in today's environment when even "muh China" optic has proven it to be perfectly reliable, and America has too with Leupold having them in their optics for well over a decade. It's proven technology and not including it is lazy. That feature alone would go a long way in closing the gap in features. A battery replacement procedure is a moot point if you never have to replace the battery, but I see threads weekly that people don't get the battery life they expected from their Aimpoint or their Trijicon and it's no surprise; they latch onto that 50k hour battery life quote as gospel instead of reading fine print. |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 10:40:54 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Please quote where I said I was personally replacing RMR batteries all the time. I said shake awake isn't a gimmick and people say it is. I said solar isn't a gimmick. Take the beloved Acro P2 for example. They claim a 15k hour battery life, but that's on setting 2 of 6. On 3 of six it is 7k hours, on 4 of 6 it is 3k hours and 5 of six it is barely 1k hours and at full brightness an EOTech lasts longer. People are replacing their Acro batteries constantly or they have realized they need to turn their optics off after each use. You know what fails more than shake awake? Physical buttons. RMRs and SROs (both of which have their place) have even worse battery life than the ACRO. I've NEVER replaced a Holosun Battery. I have some that are 7 years old and get shot every weekend nearly, still on their original batteries. I have a Leupold LCO that I bought the month it came out, nearly a DECADE ago, that still has the original battery, thanks to Shake Awake. So, why should people need to replace batteries at all? It's unnecessary. While I agree the RMR battery dismounting thing is overblown to some of us you need to realize that there is a thread at LEAST once a month of people stripping their RMR screws because they boogered them up changing a battery. I've never heard of anyone screwing up Holosun screws because you mount it ONCE and then you're done. There is ZERO reason to not have shake awake in today's environment when even "muh China" optic has proven it to be perfectly reliable, and America has too with Leupold having them in their optics for well over a decade. It's proven technology and not including it is lazy. That feature alone would go a long way in closing the gap in features. A battery replacement procedure is a moot point if you never have to replace the battery, but I see threads weekly that people don't get the battery life they expected from their Aimpoint or their Trijicon and it's no surprise; they latch onto that 50k hour battery life quote as gospel instead of reading fine print. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So why are you replacing rmr batteries every couple months? I know people who own hundreds of guns but doesn't know shit about them. Is that you with optics? Sounds like it. Please quote where I said I was personally replacing RMR batteries all the time. I said shake awake isn't a gimmick and people say it is. I said solar isn't a gimmick. Take the beloved Acro P2 for example. They claim a 15k hour battery life, but that's on setting 2 of 6. On 3 of six it is 7k hours, on 4 of 6 it is 3k hours and 5 of six it is barely 1k hours and at full brightness an EOTech lasts longer. People are replacing their Acro batteries constantly or they have realized they need to turn their optics off after each use. You know what fails more than shake awake? Physical buttons. RMRs and SROs (both of which have their place) have even worse battery life than the ACRO. I've NEVER replaced a Holosun Battery. I have some that are 7 years old and get shot every weekend nearly, still on their original batteries. I have a Leupold LCO that I bought the month it came out, nearly a DECADE ago, that still has the original battery, thanks to Shake Awake. So, why should people need to replace batteries at all? It's unnecessary. While I agree the RMR battery dismounting thing is overblown to some of us you need to realize that there is a thread at LEAST once a month of people stripping their RMR screws because they boogered them up changing a battery. I've never heard of anyone screwing up Holosun screws because you mount it ONCE and then you're done. There is ZERO reason to not have shake awake in today's environment when even "muh China" optic has proven it to be perfectly reliable, and America has too with Leupold having them in their optics for well over a decade. It's proven technology and not including it is lazy. That feature alone would go a long way in closing the gap in features. A battery replacement procedure is a moot point if you never have to replace the battery, but I see threads weekly that people don't get the battery life they expected from their Aimpoint or their Trijicon and it's no surprise; they latch onto that 50k hour battery life quote as gospel instead of reading fine print. You were trying to be edgy with your bad English post so it's hard to tell. I'm not really sure what "swapping batteries every few months is new big deal" means Quoted: We do buy something else; we buy Holosun. And then people are like, "er, muh Trijicon! Shake awake is a gimmick, swapping batteries every few months is new big deal, solar backup is a gimmick, derp!" I've seen more shake awake optics not shake awake at competitions and classes that they're a long way from me trusting them. |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 10:48:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You were trying to be edgy with your bad English post so it's hard to tell. I'm not really sure what "swapping batteries every few months is new big deal" means Quoted: We do buy something else; we buy Holosun. And then people are like, "er, muh Trijicon! Shake awake is a gimmick, swapping batteries every few months is new big deal, solar backup is a gimmick, derp!" I've seen more shake awake optics not shake awake at competitions and classes that they're a long way from me trusting them. Should have said no big deal.  I'll blame my Commie phone, cool? 
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Posted: 3/17/2023 10:58:33 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Should have said no big deal. I'll blame my Commie phone, cool? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You were trying to be edgy with your bad English post so it's hard to tell. I'm not really sure what "swapping batteries every few months is new big deal" means Quoted: We do buy something else; we buy Holosun. And then people are like, "er, muh Trijicon! Shake awake is a gimmick, swapping batteries every few months is new big deal, solar backup is a gimmick, derp!" I've seen more shake awake optics not shake awake at competitions and classes that they're a long way from me trusting them. Should have said no big deal. I'll blame my Commie phone, cool? Lol, they'll turn you commie too if you're not careful. |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 10:58:48 AM EST
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Holosun has more features, but is Chinese.
Trijicon has less features, but is American. If you value national pride over quality of product or value for dollar you will prefer Trijicon. If you value quality of product and features over manufacturer location you will prefer Holosun. Holosun is definitely putting a hurt on companies like Aimpoint, Trijicon and Eotech. If the established brands released an optic with the features of the newer Holosuns (like the AEMS, for example) it would be seen as a good thing by most. The main hangup for people is country of origin. I have everything, Trijicon, Aimpoint, Holosun, Vortex, etc.. One of my main AR's had a VCOG, the other an AEMS. I've switched from MRO's to AEMS on most of my carbines, and switched previously from T2's and M4s' to MRO's. In 10 years I'll probably be using some other optic from who knows where. Hopefully it's an American optic with all the features I want and a low price. I can't help but wonder how many of the anti-holosun crowd actually defer from buying chinese goods in other aspects of their life... |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 11:00:23 AM EST
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Posted: 3/17/2023 11:05:53 AM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why are you swapping batteries every few months. I swear most people bitching about rmrs know nothing about them I am supposed to switch my battery every few months in my RMR?? Damn I am going on two years now and I guess I have been doing it wrong all this time. |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 11:08:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Holosun has more features, but is Chinese. Trijicon has less features, but is American. If you value national pride over quality of product or value for dollar you will prefer Trijicon. If you value quality of product and features over manufacturer location you will prefer Holosun. Holosun is definitely putting a hurt on companies like Aimpoint, Trijicon and Eotech. If the established brands released an optic with the features of the newer Holosuns (like the AEMS, for example) it would be seen as a good thing by most. The main hangup for people is country of origin. I have everything, Trijicon, Aimpoint, Holosun, Vortex, etc.. One of my main AR's had a VCOG, the other an AEMS. I've switched from MRO's to AEMS on most of my carbines, and switched previously from T2's and M4s' to MRO's. In 10 years I'll probably be using some other optic from who knows where. Hopefully it's an American optic with all the features I want and a low price. I can't help but wonder how many of the anti-holosun crowd actually defer from buying chinese goods in other aspects of their life... The anti Holosun crowd only cares about chinese optics. The rest is good to go. |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 11:16:05 AM EST
[#35]
I don’t own a pistol with RDS ready slide
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Posted: 3/17/2023 11:18:03 AM EST
[#36]
I don’t care if it’s made by blue-haired feminists with obesity-related mobility problems. I’ll buy non-Chinese when the option exists.
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Posted: 3/17/2023 11:22:06 AM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t own a pistol with RDS ready slide How are the dovetail mounts? Awful |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 11:23:03 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t own a pistol with RDS ready slide How are the dovetail mounts? Duct tape will probably work. |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 11:23:38 AM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t care if it’s made by blue-haired feminists with obesity-related mobility problems. I’ll buy non-Chinese when the option exists. Just not your cell phone right? Cause who wants to pay more for less, right? |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 11:24:13 AM EST
[#40]
I have one Holosun, an eps carry, because there is no other enclosed emitter mini RDS in the RMSc footprint. But damn I wish there were. The acro P-2 is my choice for full sized MRDS
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Posted: 3/17/2023 11:24:54 AM EST
[#41]
OH NO HOLOSUN BROS WE GOT TOO COCKY
TURNS OUT ITS TRASH |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 11:25:20 AM EST
[#42]
Chinasun?
Gross. |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 11:30:04 AM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Swampfox seems to be ok.. And the Green dot is nice on the eyes. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14562/IMG_0610_JPG-2726667.jpg dude am I crazy or is that a 'Glock 7?' |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 11:32:12 AM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Chinasun? Gross. You house is likely full of Chinese shit. Save the theatrics (and some money) by purchasing a superior Holosun product. |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 12:24:32 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree. I bet if holosun got rid of all the useless gimmicky stuff it might actually get close. Fwiw I do understand how hard it is to stay away from Chinese made stuff. I have a primary arms 3x micro prism as there's really nothing close to it in terms of size/weight/eyebox/and price. Holosuns are not that much cheaper than rmrs and their "features" don't actually do anything important. In my opinion, the circle dot on my 507K is a feature that I really prefer. It is somewhat important to me. But even more important than the circle dot is the fact that I can get a green reticle. With my nearly 70 year old eyes, the green is much clearer. Again, that is for ME. And I cannot get it in an RMR or an RMRcc, at any price. And speaking of price, $499 at PSA for a Type 2 RMR, $485 for an RMRcc vs. $310 for a 507C and $240 for a 407K at PA. "Not much cheaper" my ass, the 407K is 1/2 the price of an RMRcc and the 507C is less than 2/3 the price of an RMR. For someone on a tight budget, Holosuns are possibly at a price point they could afford and Trijicons not. Realistically, in all the Holosun threads, the main two recurring arguments you hear from Holosun haters are: 1) the RMR / RMRcc is more robust than the Holosuns and 2) "but Chyna". It appears anecedotally that 1) is not as clear cut at Trij fans think, and 2) is valid for some people and not valid for others. Conversely, RMR haters harp on the side-loading battery and that appears that in reality it is not the issue that they claim (losing zero). |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 12:27:04 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You house is likely full of Chinese shit. Save the theatrics (and some money) by purchasing a superior Holosun product. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Chinasun? Gross. You house is likely full of Chinese shit. Save the theatrics (and some money) by purchasing a superior Holosun product. The US couldn’t survive as it is without China. |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 12:30:46 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: dude am I crazy or is that a 'Glock 7?'  I also noted that the slide says "Germany" not "Austria".
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Posted: 3/17/2023 1:48:02 PM EST
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Posted: 3/17/2023 1:51:08 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryAt least you have two SCHs by the looks of it. Those ACHs look puny in comparison.
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Posted: 3/17/2023 8:20:20 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've NEVER replaced a Holosun Battery. I have some that are 7 years old and get shot every weekend nearly, still on their original batteries. Quote HistoryQuoted: I've NEVER replaced a Holosun Battery. I have some that are 7 years old and get shot every weekend nearly, still on their original batteries. This part is a bit disingenuous as your battery could very well be dead but you are running off of the solar. Quoted: Holosun has more features, but is Chinese. Trijicon has less features, but is American. If you value national pride over quality of product or value for dollar you will prefer Trijicon. If you value quality of product and features over manufacturer location you will prefer Holosun. The part quoted along with the part in bold sounds like a sales pitch. The RMR is a proven MRDS and you are attempting to imply that Holosun is higher quality? Either you really don't know what quality means or you really just don't know what you are talking about. Does Holosun have more "features"? Yes, but features does not equate to quality. Which optic is more reliable? What can take more of a beating? Better construction materials? That is where you get quality. |
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