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It's a bad idea.

Ideologies aside, liberals and conservatives need each other. So do capitalism and socialism comes to that.

Red America would collapse into feudalism and theocracy in no time, Blue America would align itself with Europe and the pacific rim, maybe separately, left coast and NE, maybe all together.

Either way, it wouldn't be long at all until the right was in a position so weak it's own oligarchs would sell it out for a position in a stronger society.

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I don’t want this country to split up.
I just want to send all the liberals to a deserted island and nuke it.

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.  A balkanization, with a new country that can allow ."

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We don’t need a Balkanization, we need a reckoning.

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But America is largely purple with the "red" and "blue" of a state being a couple of percentage points one way or the other.

When the difference is 1-5% how do you cut the 49% folks from the 51%?

It's easy to say that California is all liberal except for the 18 million conservatives that live there ... more than the right 22 other states combined.

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We tried this once before.

They wouldn’t let us.

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America is more strictly divided along political lines than they are Religious ones, but that doesn't mean that the fanaticism is different.  There is no way a Conservative who values guns and keeping their money will change their minds or even compromise with a liberal who wants open borders, nationalized healthcare, or free college.  And vice versa.

A secession, with Texas being a good first state to lead the way due to its size, population, and military assets, would be the best thing to happen to the country moving forward.  A founding of a new country with the ability to let states and local government let the voters decide how much they want to spend on a healthcare system, welfare, and college, would be far better for the country than having any of those systems be nationalized.  Europe has different countries that each run their own systems for a reason.  There are states with larger populations than 3 quarters of the countries in Europe.  There is no reason, especially with what we have seen, to believe that a national government running the lives of over 300 million people is beneficial to anyone.

The constitution calls for the Federal Government to uphold and protect the general welfare, not the specific welfare of people.  Let the states, or hell even cities decide if they want welfare, healthcare, or schoolcare.  The federal government needs to protect the country and ensure interstate and international commerce is allowed to happen.  That is it.  Not whatever the fuck we have already, and not whatever the fuck anyone who is running for president wants.

The system we have is too entangled, too large, and too ingrained to ever be voted out.  Or to ever be cut by a single president.  A balkanization, with a new country that can allow itself to start over on constitutional values, with the ability to start fresh without any of the entitlements that take up more than what we have in our budget, is necessary for the continuation of the American Dream.

Even if Trump wins the presidency again, it may be time to start writing a document with the first words being "When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary..."

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America is more strictly divided along political lines than they are Religious ones, but that doesn't mean that the fanaticism is different.  There is no way a Conservative who values guns and keeping their money will change their minds or even compromise with a liberal who wants open borders, nationalized healthcare, or free college.  And vice versa.

A secession, with Texas being a good first state to lead the way due to its size, population, and military assets, would be the best thing to happen to the country moving forward.  A founding of a new country with the ability to let states and local government let the voters decide how much they want to spend on a healthcare system, welfare, and college, would be far better for the country than having any of those systems be nationalized.  Europe has different countries that each run their own systems for a reason.  There are states with larger populations than 3 quarters of the countries in Europe.  There is no reason, especially with what we have seen, to believe that a national government running the lives of over 300 million people is beneficial to anyone.

The constitution calls for the Federal Government to uphold and protect the general welfare, not the specific welfare of people.  Let the states, or hell even cities decide if they want welfare, healthcare, or schoolcare.  The federal government needs to protect the country and ensure interstate and international commerce is allowed to happen.  That is it.  Not whatever the fuck we have already, and not whatever the fuck anyone who is running for president wants.

The system we have is too entangled, too large, and too ingrained to ever be voted out.  Or to ever be cut by a single president.  A balkanization, with a new country that can allow itself to start over on constitutional values, with the ability to start fresh without any of the entitlements that take up more than what we have in our budget, is necessary for the continuation of the American Dream.

Even if Trump wins the presidency again, it may be time to start writing a document with the first words being "When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary..."

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I don’t want this country to split up.
I just want to send all the liberals to a deserted island and nuke it.

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Foreign governments buying political influence and out right occupation of land becomes easier in 3....2....1...

America is America due in large part to geography; let China get a foothold, which they are sure to do if California was its own country and see where this Matt Bracken novel goes.

Wanting Balkanization is foolish and short sighted

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Yep.  Every time I visit Colorado I find myself thinking, "this back country sure would look better with more fencing and a shitload of "No Trespassing" signs.

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Who can argue with this?

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We don't need Balkanizaiton, we need to stop letting the media turn us all against each other (all according to plan).

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Helicopters are great for island visits!!!

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America is more strictly divided along political lines than they are Religious ones, but that doesn't mean that the fanaticism is different.  There is no way a Conservative who values guns and keeping their money will change their minds or even compromise with a liberal who wants open borders, nationalized healthcare, or free college.  And vice versa.

A secession, with Texas being a good first state to lead the way due to its size, population, and military assets, would be the best thing to happen to the country moving forward.  A founding of a new country with the ability to let states and local government let the voters decide how much they want to spend on a healthcare system, welfare, and college, would be far better for the country than having any of those systems be nationalized.  Europe has different countries that each run their own systems for a reason.  There are states with larger populations than 3 quarters of the countries in Europe.  There is no reason, especially with what we have seen, to believe that a national government running the lives of over 300 million people is beneficial to anyone.

The constitution calls for the Federal Government to uphold and protect the general welfare, not the specific welfare of people.  Let the states, or hell even cities decide if they want welfare, healthcare, or schoolcare.  The federal government needs to protect the country and ensure interstate and international commerce is allowed to happen.  That is it.  Not whatever the fuck we have already, and not whatever the fuck anyone who is running for president wants.

The system we have is too entangled, too large, and too ingrained to ever be voted out.  Or to ever be cut by a single president.  A balkanization, with a new country that can allow itself to start over on constitutional values, with the ability to start fresh without any of the entitlements that take up more than what we have in our budget, is necessary for the continuation of the American Dream.

Even if Trump wins the presidency again, it may be time to start writing a document with the first words being "When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary..."

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The problem with this is is doesn't fit neatly with state boundaries....Using Texas as an example, Austin, Dallas, Houston would all fit into one demographic and the 90% of the rest of Texas would fit into another.

The problem is rural versus urban and this applies to every single state.

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Last time Texas was a country it wouldn't accept help from Murica and in the end became part of murica. All because they couldn't fend off some Mexicans.

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If you don’t like your black or Mexican neighbors just fucking move.

God damn

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I think people need to travel a bit more, get out of their echo chambers, and spend less time on social media and other news sources that cater to their already entrenched beliefs.

This is still the greatest country on earth. That said, I don't take living in MT for granted.

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I did.  And some states need to secede,  Southern states in particular..  CSA

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Oh look, another Texas secession thread.

I can't speak for nobody but myself but I see Texas headed down the same disastrous road as Virginia.....No thanks, I'd rather be run over roughshod by so-called "Virginians" than a "profits at all costs" Texan type government....I can see them carving up our state forests for their cronies gain already. Fuck that noise.

A better solution would be for states to have their own version of the Electoral College so that population centers don't hold a whole state hostage to the whims of those that live in those population centers. It's something long overdue.

Doing away with "winner take all" in federal elections would be another step to bring our politics back to some level of sanity.

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I did.  And some states need to secede,  Southern states in particular..  CSA

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You're giving us way too much credit.

Texas is purple and will be blue within 10 years. We've got massive immigration from California into the cities (Dallas, Houston, Austin, etc.) that is shifting the state.

I may head back to AZ at some point. I've had several people tell me AZ actually is what TX pretends to be.

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The reasons are better this time.

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Reasons shouldn't matter. I think this republic stopped functioning the way as intended when it was held together by force.