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I wonder if they somehow made several sacrificial "molds" and put the stones in a roaring river and somehow used vertical elevation of the water head to pressurize the water and increase velocity flow over the rocks while stomping upstream to keep a sandy abrasive moving through the water or pouring the abrasive right before the rocks to increase the erosion.
Similar to how a CNC waterjet would be used today, but slower. Edited to add: they all seem to have that kind of kerf to them. |
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Originally Posted By headstoner:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/464920/Screenshot_2019-08-14-11-52-49_2-1053997.png Those pieces look like they came from one large slab to me. Like the bottom line just above the arrow, I say that was one stone that was cut into shape then put back together after the edges were ground off rather than many stones that were cut to fit precisely. Same with the top semi cicular line, note some of the colors and natural lines in the stone match up to their corresponding stones. Edit: im not saying ALL of them came from one giant piece but large areas appear to have come from large pieces cut and shaped. View Quote If you were to cut out a stone from an existing rock you might as well cut out another one right next to the first as those 2 would would fit together again where they were cut apart. |
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Originally Posted By RIO-lover: That would make sense as the stones were "quarried" from larger stones and moved there. If you were to cut out a stone from an existing rock you might as well cut out another one right next to the first as those 2 would would fit together again where they were cut apart. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By fyeguy:
Yes, we visited Sacsayhuaman and Q'enco in Cusco, then Tarahuasi along the way to start our hike. Near the end we visited Patallacta, which is a great viewing point for Machu Picchu. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/95858/Screen_Shot_2019-08-14_at_11_34_37_AM_png-1053978.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/95858/Screen_Shot_2019-08-14_at_11_35_47_AM_png-1053981.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/95858/Screen_Shot_2019-08-14_at_11_35_24_AM_png-1053982.JPG I'm no stonemason, but the cutting is impressive. I was even more impressed by the sizes of the stones they used. Hard to fathom how or why they would move thousands of tons of large cut stones like that. Simply amazing. Tourism is obviously the big thing there, so you have your usual hucksters on the street selling painting, massages, and jewelry, but beyond that the people were amazing. Incredibly friendly and helpful, and pretty much everyone spoke some english. The food was outstanding... we travel a fair bit, usually 3-4 trips a year, and we've never eaten so well. It's also very inexpensive... we had a party of six, and several times we would go to lunch or dinner, get apps, entrees, drinks, and dessert... and I don't think we ever paid more than $100 total for the group. And again, so so good. Our tour was run by Mountain Lodges of Peru, and if you'd like to have a nice trek, but would also like to stay in nice places each night, definitely check them out. This was a pricey tour to be sure, but truly a once in a lifetime experience. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/95858/Screen_Shot_2019-08-14_at_11_34_55_AM_png-1053984.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/95858/Screen_Shot_2019-08-14_at_11_35_11_AM_png-1053976.JPG View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By fyeguy:
Originally Posted By waterglass:
Did you get to see any other sites? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/95858/Screen_Shot_2019-08-14_at_11_34_37_AM_png-1053978.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/95858/Screen_Shot_2019-08-14_at_11_35_47_AM_png-1053981.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/95858/Screen_Shot_2019-08-14_at_11_35_24_AM_png-1053982.JPG What was your impressions of the better stone cutting? How did the locals treat you? How was the food? It's also very inexpensive... we had a party of six, and several times we would go to lunch or dinner, get apps, entrees, drinks, and dessert... and I don't think we ever paid more than $100 total for the group. And again, so so good. Our tour was run by Mountain Lodges of Peru, and if you'd like to have a nice trek, but would also like to stay in nice places each night, definitely check them out. This was a pricey tour to be sure, but truly a once in a lifetime experience. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/95858/Screen_Shot_2019-08-14_at_11_34_55_AM_png-1053984.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/95858/Screen_Shot_2019-08-14_at_11_35_11_AM_png-1053976.JPG |
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Originally Posted By headstoner:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/464920/Screenshot_2019-08-14-11-52-49_2-1053997.png Those pieces look like they came from one large slab to me. Like the bottom line just above the arrow, I say that was one stone that was cut into shape then put back together after the edges were ground off rather than many stones that were cut to fit precisely. Same with the top semi cicular line, note some of the colors and natural lines in the stone match up to their corresponding stones. Edit: im not saying ALL of them came from one giant piece but large areas appear to have come from large pieces cut and shaped. View Quote Were there "giants" or maybe dinosaurs weren't as dumb as we thought. |
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Originally Posted By brass: They broke up a "big rock" into "carry size" and stuck them back together? I'm at a loss for explanation with your suggestion there. The sizes of average rocks used shrinks with "new-ness", with the oldest stuff being the largest stones/continual walls in many cases. Were there "giants" or maybe dinosaurs weren't as dumb as we thought. View Quote At the end of the day when a bunch of the large rocks were in place maybe they decided to just use the smaller rocks on top as that would be a byproduct of cutting the large ones and its not some multi cultural project that spans any huge amount of time. |
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Originally Posted By headstoner:
Maybe not broke them up but rather cut them into shapes then stuck them back together. It makes sense that the higher up rocks would be smaller as the larger rocks would be placed first not only for a stronger foundation but lifting smaller rocks to a higher point is a lot more fun than lifting larger rocks. At the end of the day when a bunch of the large rocks were in place maybe they decided to just use the smaller rocks on top as that would be a byproduct of cutting the large ones and its not some multi cultural project that spans any huge amount of time. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By headstoner:
Originally Posted By brass: They broke up a "big rock" into "carry size" and stuck them back together? I'm at a loss for explanation with your suggestion there. The sizes of average rocks used shrinks with "new-ness", with the oldest stuff being the largest stones/continual walls in many cases. Were there "giants" or maybe dinosaurs weren't as dumb as we thought. At the end of the day when a bunch of the large rocks were in place maybe they decided to just use the smaller rocks on top as that would be a byproduct of cutting the large ones and its not some multi cultural project that spans any huge amount of time. |
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Originally Posted By waterglass: That is one of the weird things in south America and Anatolia, smaller rocks are often on the bottom and big rocks are higher up toward the middle and top. View Quote Who knows, maybe thats just the order that dyno-dump trucks delivered them and the supervisor was pissing and moaning that people werent working so they just started piling shit up as they got it. |
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Originally Posted By headstoner:
Im going to have nightmares from that avatar!! Who knows, maybe thats just the order that dyno-dump trucks delivered them and the supervisor was pissing and moaning that people werent working so they just started piling shit up as they got it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By headstoner:
Originally Posted By waterglass: That is one of the weird things in south America and Anatolia, smaller rocks are often on the bottom and big rocks are higher up toward the middle and top. Who knows, maybe thats just the order that dyno-dump trucks delivered them and the supervisor was pissing and moaning that people werent working so they just started piling shit up as they got it. I think it has something to do with earth quake resistance. Like a heavy load in the middle to stabilize the whole structure. |
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Originally Posted By headstoner:
Im going to have nightmares from that avatar!! Who knows, maybe thats just the order that dyno-dump trucks delivered them and the supervisor was pissing and moaning that people werent working so they just started piling shit up as they got it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By headstoner:
Originally Posted By waterglass: That is one of the weird things in south America and Anatolia, smaller rocks are often on the bottom and big rocks are higher up toward the middle and top. Who knows, maybe thats just the order that dyno-dump trucks delivered them and the supervisor was pissing and moaning that people werent working so they just started piling shit up as they got it. Defacing beautiful art in such a fashion is more unbecoming behavior than somebody starting a troll thread. The troll thread goes away, the avatar is everywhere. --ETA: Still waiting for it to be corrected, I reported it 2 more times because nothing was done after my first 3 attempts. |
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Originally Posted By a555:
What am I missing with the avatar? View Quote He frowns upon her masculine face. Not surprised you missed it. Scientifically Dating the Pyramid of Menkaure and the Osirion | Ancient Architects the problem I see is that the method in the video can not account for the stone being covered by sand. That is important. |
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Originally Posted By waterglass: Brass is just ribbing me. He frowns upon her masculine face. Not surprised you missed it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVARFBrBkZk the problem I see is that the method in the video can not account for the stone being covered by sand. That is important. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By waterglass:
Brass is just ribbing me. He frowns upon her masculine face. Not surprised you missed it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVARFBrBkZk the problem I see is that the method in the video can not account for the stone being covered by sand. That is important. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By waterglass:
Originally Posted By a555:
What am I missing with the avatar? He frowns upon her masculine face. Not surprised you missed it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVARFBrBkZk the problem I see is that the method in the video can not account for the stone being covered by sand. That is important. An upward facing sample of granite from the highest stone along with a comparable piece of limestone would have been better. Instead, they take a downward facing granite sample from below the likely buried section? |
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Originally Posted By headstoner:
I agree. The biggest mystery is why that guy talks like that. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By headstoner:
Originally Posted By waterglass: Brass is just ribbing me. He frowns upon her masculine face. Not surprised you missed it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVARFBrBkZk the problem I see is that the method in the video can not account for the stone being covered by sand. That is important. |
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Originally Posted By headstoner:
Yeah, and the upswing at the end of words? Making everything sound like a question? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By headstoner:
Originally Posted By brass: Are you referring to random syllables lasting 5 times longer than usual? I didn't notice it. The monologue is intelligible, though I could easily see others finding it annoying. This is one specific instance where not hearing a lot of stuff works to my benefit. (can't hear out of one ear, sort of deaf in the other). But yeah, didn't hear a thing. I only read the subtitles. |
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Originally Posted By headstoner:
True enough. I say thats what they did with the shaped stones as well, I would bet they made their cuts and then pound or ground the edges and just fit them back together for whichever large piece they quarried and were working with. The smaller "leftovers" could then be used in other walls and doorways. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By headstoner:
Originally Posted By RIO-lover: That would make sense as the stones were "quarried" from larger stones and moved there. If you were to cut out a stone from an existing rock you might as well cut out another one right next to the first as those 2 would would fit together again where they were cut apart. |
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Originally Posted By a555: I was curious if they weren't rougher in the past and cycles of earthquakes, freezing and couldn't help finish things. Roughly finished stones set together in a manner that would be earthquake resistant. Earthquake happens, stones grind against each other. Rain and freezing happens. Stones lift from the pressure of the ice. Ice melts and takes sand with it. Earthquake, Rain, freeze, repeat. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By headstoner:
That could be. Its been a long time and time changes things. Look at your own local cemeteries, the rain alone takes its toll on the older marble stones. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By headstoner:
Originally Posted By a555: I was curious if they weren't rougher in the past and cycles of earthquakes, freezing and couldn't help finish things. Roughly finished stones set together in a manner that would be earthquake resistant. Earthquake happens, stones grind against each other. Rain and freezing happens. Stones lift from the pressure of the ice. Ice melts and takes sand with it. Earthquake, Rain, freeze, repeat. |
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Stumbled onto this today...
https://pratt.duke.edu/about/news/acoustic-cloaking-device-hides-objects-sound Acoustic Cloak Demonstration Then this... https://physicsworld.com/a/invisibility-cloak-for-water-waves/ Anyone else see a similarity in appearances to two things we're familiar with? |
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Science news, the timeline keeps creeping around...
Humans migrated to Mongolia much earlier than previously believed Stone tools uncovered in Mongolia by an international team of archaeologists indicate that modern humans traveled across the Eurasian steppe about 45,000 years ago, according to a new University of California, Davis, study. The date is about 10,000 years earlier than archaeologists previously believed. The site also points to a new location for where modern humans may have first encountered their mysterious cousins, the now extinct Denisovans, said Nicolas Zwyns, an associate professor of anthropology and lead author of the study. Zwyns led excavations from 2011 to 2016 at the Tolbor-16 site along the Tolbor River in the Northern Hangai Mountains between Siberia and northern Mongolia. The excavations yielded thousands of stone artifacts, with 826 stone artifacts associated with the oldest human occupation at the site. With long and regular blades, the tools resemble those found at other sites in Siberia and Northwest China—indicating a large-scale dispersal of humans across the region, Zwyns said. "These objects existed before, in Siberia, but not to such a degree of standardization," Zwyns said. "The most intriguing (aspect) is that they are produced in a complicated yet systematic way—and that seems to be the signature of a human group that shares a common technical and cultural background." That technology, known in the region as the Initial Upper Palaeolithic, led the researchers to rule out Neanderthals or Denisovans as the site's occupants. "Although we found no human remains at the site, the dates we obtained match the age of the earliest Homo sapiens found in Siberia," Zwyns said. "After carefully considering other options, we suggest that this change in technology illustrates movements of Homo sapiens in the region." Their findings were published online in an article in Scientific Reports. The age of the site—determined by luminescence dating on the sediment and radiocarbon dating of animal bones found near the tools—is about 10,000 years earlier than the fossil of a human skullcap from Mongolia, and roughly 15,000 years after modern humans left Africa. Evidence of soil development (grass and other organic matter) associated with the stone tools suggests that the climate for a period became warmer and wetter, making the normally cold and dry region more hospitable to grazing animals and humans. Preliminary analysis identifies bone fragments at the site as large (wild cattle or bison) and medium size bovids (wild sheep, goat) and horses, which frequented the open steppe, forests and tundra during the Pleistocene—another sign of human occupation at the site. The dates for the stone tools also match the age estimates obtained from genetic data for the earliest encounter between Homo sapiens and the Denisovans. (More at link...) View Quote Humans, Not Ice Age killed Cave Bears over 40k years ago A team of researchers affiliated with multiple institutions across Europe has found evidence that suggests humans were responsible for the extinction of cave bears thousands of years ago, not the climate effects of the last Ice Age. In their paper published in the journal Scientific Reports, the group describes their mitochondrial DNA study of cave bear remains and what they learned from it. The cave bear was one of the large species that went extinct at the end of the last Ice Age. Prior research has suggested the bears simply could not cope with the changing climate, and thus met their end. In this new effort, the researchers have found evidence that suggests it was not just the cold that killed off the cave bears—humans appear to have played a large role, as well. The work by the team involved mitochondrial testing of 59 cave bear remains from across Europe. Study of the data showed that populations of the bears began to decline long before the onset of the last ice-age approximately 40,000 years ago. They also found that the bears managed to make it through prior ice ages without major reductions in population. The researchers note that modern humans began populating the areas where the bears lived roughly 40,000 years ago. They further note that Neanderthals also lived in the area, but had coexisted with the cave bears for thousands of years, and are thus unlikely to have contributed to the extinction of the bears. (Pictures and More at link...) View Quote |
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Originally Posted By brass:
Science news, the timeline keeps creeping around... Humans migrated to Mongolia much earlier than previously believed ———————————————————————————— Humans, Not Ice Age killed Cave Bears over 40k years ago View Quote "Stone tools" I was way off with what I was picturing. |
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Short video from Cusco where stones were pulled apart by an earthquake and show the fitted edges and their fine polish.
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Originally Posted By RIO-lover:
Short video from Cusco where stones were pulled apart by an earthquake and show the fitted edges and their fine polish. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGpGXqaDB6g View Quote |
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The Fallen Angels and / or their offspring the Nephilim.
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Originally Posted By MaverickH1:
I wonder if they somehow made several sacrificial "molds" and put the stones in a roaring river and somehow used vertical elevation of the water head to pressurize the water and increase velocity flow over the rocks while stomping upstream to keep a sandy abrasive moving through the water or pouring the abrasive right before the rocks to increase the erosion. Similar to how a CNC waterjet would be used today, but slower. Edited to add: they all seem to have that kind of kerf to them. View Quote |
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This theory makes sense. Mostly because it expands on the spiral ramp building theory I mentioned a lot of pages ago.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8a3zu7JTsw[/youtube] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8a3zu7JTsw |
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Originally Posted By Fidel_Cashflow:
What's more likely? A bunch of people working under slave labor conditions spent an obscene amount of time shaping and stacking rocks with primitive tools. or Aliens with the technology for interstellar travel came down from the sky to build stone forts on mountain top because reasons. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Fidel_Cashflow:
What's more likely? A bunch of people working under slave labor conditions spent an obscene amount of time shaping and stacking rocks with primitive tools. or Aliens with the technology for interstellar travel came down from the sky to build stone forts on mountain top because reasons. |
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I think we have an answer to some of the questions here.
How to "melt" stones sound, p.1. |
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Originally Posted By StealthM8:
Or we aren't the first technological evolution of humans to walk this planet? View Quote |
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Originally Posted By a555:
I think we have an answer to some of the questions here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsqOLCXYznE View Quote |
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Originally Posted By headstoner:
That was pretty cool View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By headstoner:
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I think we have an answer to some of the questions here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsqOLCXYznE |
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Originally Posted By a555: Taking it one step further, I could see that sort of approach explaining the shaping of stone megalithic walls. His tool marks match those that the suspected tube drills made. I think I can build those tools. View Quote |
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I think we have an answer to some of the questions here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsqOLCXYznE View Quote |
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The Incas were politically incorrect blood thirsty barbarians who practiced human sacrifice and cannibalism. God sent Hernán Cortés to them to punish them for their savagery. All their evil structures should be torn down and crushed into gravel.
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Failed To Load Title Are the "scepters" some sort of tuning fork with a tool attached? More on the subject: https://montalk.net/notes/tuning-forks-and-megalithic-technology And here's a video with very few views of a guy doing some tuning fork experiments. Crystal Lattice and Lattice Vibrations! |
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You suppose you could try making a fork out of granite and giving it a whack? Failed To Load Title |
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Originally Posted By a555:
@headstoner You suppose you could try making a fork out of granite and giving it a whack? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmrER-1_G9o View Quote |
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I think we have an answer to some of the questions here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsqOLCXYznE View Quote |
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Originally Posted By JThompson:
So they were using electric tools to generate vibrations to do the work??? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By JThompson:
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I think we have an answer to some of the questions here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsqOLCXYznE |
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Originally Posted By JThompson:
So they were using electric tools to generate vibrations to do the work??? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By JThompson:
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I think we have an answer to some of the questions here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsqOLCXYznE |
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