This was only going to end one way, the Founding Fathers knew that.

I have to wonder if OP consulted with his husband before posting this.

The wall will easily stop 80-90 % of illegal entries intro the US. There are still about 40% that arrive here legally with immigrant and nonimmigrant visas that end up violating their status and becoming illegal aliens. The wall will stop the immediate and most direct part of our immigration system that is hemorrhaging illegal aliens (regular ones, criminal ones, and terrorist ones) badly. If you cut your self in several places, you fix the artery that is cut before you fix the veinous bleeding. The artery bleeding will cause the most immediate damage and you will bleed out in 7 minutes or less. Veinous bleeding can be attended to in due time after the major bleeding is stopped. That applies to the immigration problems that we have. Once the border is secure we can concentrate on anchor babies, chain migration, refugee fraud, employers of illegal aliens, status violators, and visa lotteries.

It can't be turned off or ignored like laws and electronic sensors, and it's a political litmus test.

Those are some ignorant comments. A wall without military troops summarily executing unarmed men, women, women, and children is not a "f*cking joke." The wall will immensely help the Border Patrol, who have never murdered any illegal aliens coming into the US as you espouse, to secure the border. They already employ sensors along the border area, but, the lack of a barrier to slow them down prevents the agents from being able to travel to the location where they are entering to arrest them, before they can get away further into the interior of the US. In any event, the president wants a border wall, which includes more agents, sensors, drones, and other electronic surveillance to enable the Border Patrol to be a lot more effective. It won't just be a wall alone, as you falsely stated.

I personally believe we need a "wall", need to enforce existing laws, and need to curtail citizenship paths for illegals that choose to break the law.

I'm just concerned that all the focus only seems to be for the wall when we have illegals displacing our own citizens when it comes to all aspects of our lives from welfare to school, etc..

There is absolutely no reason a school district in Maine (or anywhere else in the US) should be required to cover 32 different languages for example. To become a citizen, you must learn English. (If you go to live in Germany, you better learn German!)

Now, you show up illegally, face zero repercussions, have all your needs taken care of, and automatically be better off than you ever were before.
Hell, you can even kill people and walk away from charges in some cases apparently, where any regular Americans would be in jail for years.

I guess I'm beyond the wall, I want to see some actual changes.

No more catch and release. No more catch and nurture. No more catch and have more rights and benefits than citizens.

I'm all for ending all foreign aid to South America at this point and using that money to lock it all down.

I'm all for legal immigration, my great grandparents were first generation, my grandfather worked for the Immigration Service in Maine, NY and Italy. I know he's rolling over in his grave these days.

This is the answer. Walls work. Period.

Obama and his ilk just told the Border Patrol to stand down and ignored our laws.  Turned their heads while they waved illegals through.

Put a wall up and everything changes.

Congress has been dicking around with immigration since Reagan
was in office.  They've only proven that neither side is willing to
deal with issue.

At least The Wall will slow down the invasion somewhat.

Afterward, Congress can continue to dick around for the next 30 yrs.

INV136,  Billy Dee is just repeating a Dem / Libtard talking point.

When someone says that walls do actually work and are working in other countries , the Libtards say " that's because those other countries have military personnel  waiting to shoot anyone who attempts to cross the border/defeat the wall ".

See, it isn't the wall that works, it's because illegals / those attempting to cross the border will be shot...... that's what works and is that what we want ?

It's a fucking lie anyway.  Walls actually do work even when there is not anyone waiting to shoot those attempting to defeat them.

It's bullshit, a red hearing and a typical lie of the left.

There are walls in place that do work without armed people on station waiting to shoot transgressors. Typical leftist BS.

But those employers are republicans and many are campaign contributors.

So true.

I never understood why they don't just use the Patriot act and restrict international money transfers.

So you have solved 120-130% of the immigration question?

I’ll take the Christian Mexicans over the Muslims.

Oh Bullshit !  Here's a news flash for you...... Just as many Democrats employee  illegals. That's right. Both parties like money, both parties want high profits, both parties have members that use illegal labor. Get over it.

There are just as many millionaire Dems as their are millionaire Republicans.

You just don't see many millionaire Republicans railing against wealth as you do the hypocrite Dems who fool weak minded people into thinking they are more virtuous  than their counterparts.

Idiots only believe differently. The types that will nod their heads while ALGORE and his posse talk about global warming while they fly around in private jets, use more electricity for their compounds than some towns, water their grass when their are shortage measures in effect, etc.  THEN tell us to ride bikes,  dry our clothing outside, conserve electricity, don't eat meat, etc.

If you think only Republicans use illegal labor and love money you are truly the definition of "useful idiot".

Fixed

Reading some of the well thought out responses is saddening.

Saddening because people here put energy into coming up with good ideas for a problem that politicians do NOT want to solve, ever.

Because the physical barrier is one of the oldest, most effective, and most efficient force multiplier in human history.

Doing anything to address border security without a real physical barrier is what’s stupid and wasteful.

Same reason:

Is legal immigration so difficult that crossing illegally worth the risk?

If we streamlined legal means to enter the country.   Wouldn't anyone crossing illegally be doing it with nefarious intent?

Shit.  We could declare the border a DMZ and secure it accordingly.

Agree, a wall will not do anything. Also repealing citizenship for people born here would be tough as well. It would be easier to fix immigration laws that citizens can’t grant residency to parents that have crossed illegally.

What does your streamlined immigration look like?

if it stops just one family

he promised he would do it, and he is trying his damnest to deliver on that promise

The core issue is the entitlement. Cut it off -- for everyone.

Why does a bank have a vault,a prison a double row fence,a military base a well defended fence,...

You need to keep bad guys isolated away from the people and things you love...

Decreased application time.  Decreased time for for app processing and background.

Take it from a 5 to 10 year process to under a year.

What would you do to impliment that?

Why is  the focus on building a wall?

Because The Chamber of Commerce and Trump Corp want that to be where the focus is...

Because 2020 re-election is coming.

So, per your numbers (with no link) 10-20% of the illegal entries into  this country will still continue with a wall...

And,  with a wall, they would probably still find a way to get here (tunnel, swim, boat, etc)…

The wall is a distraction. An expensive distraction.

And, truthfully, it is not a, "wall," it is a --as of today-- ~300 mile fence...

Trumps DHS puts the number for 2017 at 51%... Link But lets go with your number. I trust Trumps DHS, but lets go with your made-up 40%...

40% of the folks who came here legally did not leave. (It is *actually* -per Trumps DHS- 51% but hey).

Each year.

Each year.

That number is huge.

And it goes up and up and up. Year after year after year.

AND A WALL WONT STOP IT.

These are folks Trump is bringing here to work at his hotels and properties. These are folks Tyson Chicken brings here... Half  don't leave. for 2018, half stayed. 2017, half stayed. On and on back through the years.

Why is Trump, who works for Trump Corp, talking about a short fence in exchange for DACA benefits? Why isn't Trump talking about the *real* problem: EMPLOYERS DRIVING IMMIGRANTS HERE LEGALLY, AND THEY DONT LEAVE?

Bottom line: Cheap labor.

Trumps ~300 mile fence is not going to do jack. It is not going to make a noticeable dent.

And Trump has now put DACA on the table to get his fence.

Laughable.

Laughable.

The problem is employers (Trump has admitted to being one) who bring cheap labor here on visas. And they don't leave. Employers and welfare are the problem.

Trump is not offering a solution to the *real* issues with the border.

We are in an immigration crisis.

Trumps, "border wall," crisis is an invented crisis.

The *real* crisis is the massive numbers of illegals already here. (Trump is promising DACA benefits).

Employers who *literally* drive immigrants here (legally) for work. (Trump Corp is one).

Welfare benefits to illegals once they come, and don't leave.

Those are the three elements of the crisis at the border. A distant fourth is a physical barrier at the border... Which I support... But it is absolutely meaningless without going-after the first three issues driving immigration.

I support a physical barrier at the border. I cannot support Trumps, 'Fence for DACA' deal... It is a bad deal, just like the rest of Trumps deals (failed to over-turn Obamacare, failed to put Hillary in Prison, failed to find, "the best people)… Trump is just one bad deal after  another...

Trump Corp and the Chamber of Commerce bring in droves of migrant, "cheap labor" workers every year.

Trumps DHS says, 51%, "overstay."

There is your problem.

Want to know where the "crisis" is on illegal immigration...

the wall is something to fire up the rubes, get em mad, keep em mad. the wall will never get built, trump knows this, the dems know this, the only folks that dont this are the rubes. its the snakeoil trump can sell everyday and twice on sunday.

if you want to stop illegals, you do so buy ending the economic incentives to come here, nothing else will work.

80 percent of the folks in this country illegally did not come across the the southern border, the came in legal ways and then never left.

the wall is the snakeoil that trump is selling and folks are buying.

pure and simple.

but anyway MAGA! MAGA MAGA! MAGA MAGA MAGA!

Illegal immigration is the key to changing the demographics of the country.
Without that change, the Democratic Party is done.
That is why the Dems will not budge an inch and why the Pres has also dug his heals in.
The wall is literally the battle for our way of life.

Dems fleece America by handing out tax dollars to the non-working class, Republicans fleece America by handing out gov't contracts to rich business owners. Trump has some business buddies who are about to get nice wall building contracts.

No politician wants to stop illegal immigration.