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Posted: 11/16/2021 11:47:04 AM EST
[#1]
Buy a real garden tractor and you will, but not from a box store.
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Posted: 11/16/2021 11:47:37 AM EST
[#2]
Maybe they don’t want Joe Blow homeowner getting wrapped up in a PTO shaft.
Grew up in farm country. A PTO shaft is a common accident. |
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Posted: 11/16/2021 11:51:40 AM EST
[#3]
There have been some "garden" tractors that came with a rear PTO, but generally I think the reason they don't is because a homeowner buying a garden tractor doesn't need it and doesn't want to pay for it. Additionally, adding a PTO will increase the size and weight of a garden tractor.
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Posted: 11/16/2021 11:52:14 AM EST
[#4]
What to you think runs the deck? Magic?
There isn't a 540 spline dedicated shaft below a certain price point but there is a way. |
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Posted: 11/16/2021 11:52:16 AM EST
[#5]
You need to step up to a compact tractor for that, but for the upcharge from a standard lawn tractor you could just buy a gas or diesel generator.
https://www.deere.com/en/tractors/compact-tractors/1-series-sub-compact-tractors/1025r/ |
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Posted: 11/16/2021 11:53:27 AM EST
[#6]
 Just buy a generator. Problem solved. |
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Posted: 11/16/2021 11:54:33 AM EST
[#7]
Get a Kubota and you will. The lawn mower are hardly robust enough. Get something designed and built for real work.
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Posted: 11/16/2021 11:56:06 AM EST
[#8]
Thought some of them could run a tiller, mechanical or hydraulic on a hydrostat.
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Posted: 11/16/2021 11:58:01 AM EST
[#9]
Home owners keep running over kids and pets with a lawn tractor. You really think the manufacturers want the liability of letting them anywhere near a spinning pto shaft?
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Posted: 11/16/2021 11:58:23 AM EST
[#10]
John deere 318
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Posted: 11/16/2021 12:00:00 PM EST
[#11]
Some older small "Garden" tractors had PTOs. They have limited utility and Americans have outsized requirements.
There's smaller foreign stuff that has PTOs. Elsewhere there's much with PTOs, since many places need to do much with less.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/16/2021 12:01:08 PM EST
[#12]
Even if you figure out an easy transmission system.... the motor in a typical riding mower isn't designed or optimized for the type of duty cycle you need to run a generator.
IMO you'd be better off simply buying... a gas, diesel, or propane generator. |
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Posted: 11/16/2021 12:03:07 PM EST
[#13]
My little 10hp Deere lawn tractor has a PTO
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Posted: 11/16/2021 12:05:26 PM EST
[#14]
Short answer is that no one wants to pay for that level of quality and equipment anymore.
The price of top end garden tractors puts you close to sub compact territory, which is usually a better choice if you need real tractor capabilities. |
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Posted: 11/16/2021 12:05:56 PM EST
[#15]
My Cub Cadet 3225 has PTO.
and 3 pt. hitch |
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Posted: 11/16/2021 12:07:02 PM EST
[#16]
I guess maybe its weight? I can lift the rear or front of a tractor by hand. I guess with the right implements, it would twist and destroy a homeowner model up pretty quick.
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Posted: 11/16/2021 12:09:22 PM EST
[#17]
Quoted: It would be so sweet to be able to hook a generator to the riding mower for power outages or portable power. Because they don't have the frame to handle ground engaging attachments. |
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Posted: 11/16/2021 12:09:36 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe they don’t want Joe Blow homeowner getting wrapped up in a PTO shaft. Grew up in farm country. A PTO shaft is a common accident. That says more about farmers than PTO shafts. |
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Posted: 11/16/2021 12:10:27 PM EST
[#19]
My bx2680 has one
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Posted: 11/16/2021 12:13:29 PM EST
[#20]
My little one has 3 ptos, turning brakes, 3 pont, differential lock and power steering. Only 20 hp.
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Posted: 11/16/2021 12:43:17 PM EST
[#21]
I had a 4bt powered CJ that was tube frames from the cab back that I had looked into putting a generator on. A company called ‘Real Power’ makes generators that are driven off of your transfer case that they can put on diesel trucks etc. As expected they were crazy expensive though
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Posted: 11/16/2021 12:46:41 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That says more about farmers than PTO shafts. Do you think a homeowner is going to be any better? |
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Posted: 11/16/2021 12:49:08 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I had a 4bt powered CJ that was tube frames from the cab back that I had looked into putting a generator on. A company called ‘Real Power’ makes generators that are driven off of your transfer case that they can put on diesel trucks etc. As expected they were crazy expensive though Last I checked, PTO generators cost more than those with engines. They might be handy around a farm, but they also tie up your tractor. |
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Posted: 11/16/2021 1:00:06 PM EST
[#24]
My old Dodge had a PTO-driven logging winch.
You're looking for a sub-compact tractor, or even just get a compact and run a flail mower. You need weight to make implements useful, loader too. Right now everyone is making compact tractors detuned to 25HP to avoid emissions controls. |
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Posted: 11/16/2021 1:04:37 PM EST
[#25]
Laughs in John Deere 430.
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Posted: 11/16/2021 1:05:29 PM EST
[#26]
Jd 585x has a couple of pto's.
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Posted: 11/16/2021 1:09:26 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Last I checked, PTO generators cost more than those with engines. Yep. Portable generators have gotten ridiculously cheap. Most of them are also quieter than a garden tractor running full-tilt, and run longer between fuel-ups. |
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Posted: 11/16/2021 1:13:26 PM EST
[#28]
My Grandfather's John Deere 110 '64 vintage has a 540 RPM PTO used mostly to power grain elevators on his farm.
Deere 318's can have a 2K RPM PTO as well as a rear 540 PTO installed. Last two 455's I bought have a 540 and 2K PTO as part of the hydro stat drive system. |
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Posted: 11/16/2021 1:16:02 PM EST
[#29]
You have to go bigger. You need garden tractor
The only lawn tractors I knew of were cub cadets with front mounted belt driven pto generator |
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Posted: 11/16/2021 1:22:12 PM EST
[#30]
Spend enough on a Garden Tractor, not a riding mower, and you'll get your PTO shaft.
I suppose if a guy was handy, one could rig a generator to run off the deck belt drive of a riding mower. But at that point, just buy a generator. |
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Posted: 11/16/2021 1:22:16 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Last I checked, PTO generators cost more than those with engines. They might be handy around a farm, but they also tie up your tractor. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I had a 4bt powered CJ that was tube frames from the cab back that I had looked into putting a generator on. A company called ‘Real Power’ makes generators that are driven off of your transfer case that they can put on diesel trucks etc. As expected they were crazy expensive though Last I checked, PTO generators cost more than those with engines. They might be handy around a farm, but they also tie up your tractor. I've looked into PTO generators every so often. Pretty much come back to getting a beefy stand alone generator. Easier to move around/store. And I can easily imagine wanting to use my tractor when using the generator. Not to address the cost. |
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Posted: 11/16/2021 1:25:50 PM EST
[#32]
Cost and purpose.
Vast majority of mower buyers buy disposable mowers from big box stores. They don’t want to pay extra for a horizontal engine with a mechanically connected 540 PTO. Plus, you’d need 3 point hitch to make it useful. That adds even more cost and size. Then you have purpose. Most lawn tractor buyers only mow with them and most generator buyers want a generator that’s portable and multipurpose. They want a generator that can power their RV and can power a fridge and lights when power goes out. They don’t want (and don’t need) the expense of running a 20+ horsepower engine to power a fridge. Fuel storage and consumption is already a challenge for inverter generators in emergencies. As for 3 point attachments, a 3 point tiller is more money than a walk behind tiller. Most people have small gardens and walk behind tillers work just fine. Same for snow blowers (although I love my blower attachment). There’s options for garden tractors/subcompact tractors with 540 PTO’s for those that want it. They’re options from John Deere, Kubota, Case, Simplicity, etc. Even with those, 3 point PTO generators are one of the least common attachments sold for consumers. |
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Posted: 11/16/2021 1:28:35 PM EST
[#33]
I remember growing up and Dad stopping by the IH dealership to drool over Cub Cadet garden tractors. Seemed like every time we went into down town Charleston to go to Sears, we would swing into the IH dealership on Meeting Street. Dad wanted that CC so bad, but just never could let go of the cash. This was '71-'73. I always wondered why Dad never went ahead and bought one later in life since he liked gardening.
When we moved out of a rental and into our home in '74 Dad did run down and bought a Craftsman rider, not a tractor. It even had the old fashioned pull start and no electric starter. I remember being worn out trying to crank the damned thing and then having to get on it exhausted to start mowing the yard. Yea, it needed a tune up. I was so disappointed he didn't get the CC. Me? I have this stupid fantasy to own a JD or Kubota sub compact myself. Problem is, I only have one job around the yard I need it for. I'd have to start a retirement business of doing tractor work to justify it. But hard to do work for others with no experience though. I could go in and really do a good job of fucking up their yards. 
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Posted: 11/16/2021 1:35:07 PM EST
[#34]
Why no PTO on my diesel SuperDuty? That thing makes many HP…
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Posted: 11/16/2021 1:36:53 PM EST
[#35]
Lowe's was selling a "Hybrid lawn tractor" for a couple months - It could be used as a generator.
Apparently, the company that was making them had huge problems getting them to work properly, so Lowe's dumped them almost immediately. |
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Posted: 11/16/2021 1:43:06 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I remember growing up and Dad stopping by the IH dealership to drool over Cub Cadet garden tractors. Seemed like every time we went into down town Charleston to go to Sears, we would swing into the IH dealership on Meeting Street. Dad wanted that CC so bad, but just never could let go of the cash. This was '71-'73. I always wondered why Dad never went ahead and bought one later in life since he liked gardening. When we moved out of a rental and into our home in '74 Dad did run down and bought a Craftsman rider, not a tractor. It even had the old fashioned pull start and no electric starter. I remember being worn out trying to crank the damned thing and then having to get on it exhausted to start mowing the yard. Yea, it needed a tune up. I was so disappointed he didn't get the CC. Me? I have this stupid fantasy to own a JD or Kubota sub compact myself. Problem is, I only have one job around the yard I need it for. I'd have to start a retirement business of doing tractor work to justify it. But hard to do work for others with no experience though. I could go in and really do a good job of fucking up their yards. I realized this year I was sitting on way too much cash not to buy a few things I've wanted for a long time, a compact tractor, and a bunch of land to play with it on, topped my list. A friend just offered to leave his excavator at my place when he isn't using it too, looking forward to that. I've only rented them for a couple weeks before but I've got lots of stuff I can use it for. |
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Posted: 11/16/2021 1:44:37 PM EST
[#37]
In the mid-80's Sears Craftsman was still making riding lawnmowers and "garden tractors" but the garden tractors weren't much more than lawn mowers. They were all built by Roper with the Sears badging, they were a piece of shit. Dad bought an 18 horse "garden tractor" and if you actually tried to pull a plow with it for a small garden, the transmission would throw itself out of gear.
Dad bought the extended warranty on that thing and Sears hated him for it. I bet they were out to the house 3 or 4 times fixing major shit on that thing. Transmission, front axle, the mower deck bearings, etc. We were in an actual Sears store one day and found a PTO attachment for it on sale. Basically it was belt driven and the belt attached the same way the mower belt attached. There was a bracket with pulleys that mounted to the front of the "tractor" with a PTO shaft. It was meant to mount a snow blower. We looked at it for a while and considered it. Doesn't snow often in Texas and we didn't think the "pto" could handle much else, so we passed on it. |
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Posted: 11/16/2021 1:50:46 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why no PTO on my diesel SuperDuty? That thing makes many HP… you should have ordered the PTO package |
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Posted: 11/16/2021 1:58:04 PM EST
[#39]
I didn’t know I could even order it with one… ??
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Posted: 11/16/2021 1:59:07 PM EST
[#40]
I grew up with a Gravely tractor.
It was basically a PTO with a transmission and drive wheels. bolt on whatever you wanted to use to the front; mower deck,snowblower, tiller, mini-dozer blade, saw blade, seemed to have an endless list of attachments you could buy. We mostly ran the 36 inch mower deck that swung a 20lb blade and was a mini brush hog, take down anything under 3 “. My Uncle mowed down my swing set with it! I was the only kid I knew with a peg-leg swingset, Pop sawed off the mangled steel leg and fitted a fence post into it…. Also ran the bad ass tiller that cut impressive furrows. |
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Posted: 11/16/2021 2:02:09 PM EST
[#41]
If you need a generator, there's a good chance you need your tractor also.
By a separate generator, keep the tractor available. |
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Posted: 11/16/2021 2:07:02 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you need a generator, there's a good chance you need your tractor also. By a separate generator, keep the tractor available. Yep, it's the same reason I wanted a standalone log splitter and not a pto driven one. I want to be able to use my tractor as more than just a power source. |
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Posted: 11/16/2021 2:08:08 PM EST
[#43]
Bite the bullet. You won't be sorry.
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Posted: 11/16/2021 2:09:16 PM EST
[#44]
Back in the day you could get a John Deere 140 with cool attachments like a generator, log splitter, water transfer pump...
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Posted: 11/16/2021 2:11:38 PM EST
[#45]
Price point would be my guess. People that just need to mow don't want to shell out for something that would cost near what a sub compact tractor does.
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Posted: 11/16/2021 2:14:22 PM EST
[#46]
I had a Cub Cadet that had a small PTO, it may have been proprietary since I don't remember seeing any that size on any other equipment. If I remember right it was 10 spline and less than an inch in diameter.
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Posted: 11/16/2021 2:16:47 PM EST
[#47]
Ive got the kit to add a 540 pto to my JD 455. It was an add on then and you can get it on the current generation tractor.
Im hoping it can spin an old Winpower pto generator. 15kw I think. Only 22hp so might not be able to put a full load on it. 
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Posted: 11/16/2021 2:26:34 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why no PTO on my diesel SuperDuty? That thing makes many HP… Eta: Beat. Change to - You should have asked. 
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Posted: 11/16/2021 2:28:26 PM EST
[#49]
PTO generators work the shit out of small tractors.
They'll do it, but they don't like. You need a bigger tractor that can run it in the sweet spot without grunting too hard, otherwise you are just putting stress on the tractor and burning more fuel than is needed. |
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Posted: 11/16/2021 2:28:54 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: John deere 318 Agreed, they are tanks. Skip the box store lawn mowers and head to a dealer or hit CL for an older 318/332. You'll get hydrostatic drive, hydraulics and f/r PTOs. Add some paint, tires and a seat and these older machines look brand new again. 
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