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Posted: 6/12/2020 4:19:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This will lead to...... WE WUZ |
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Posted: 6/12/2020 4:22:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m a Nuclear Engineer. Tell me again about isotopes and my scientific illiteracy? Oh yeah, I’m not. One guy, one unreviewed paper. Referencing his own papers a bunch of times. Sorry, do you know how conferences work? Pay your money, and cranks can get stuff submitted. Wake me when a reputable journal gets his stuff past peer review. @VaultBoy Ok, then. Where does Xe129 come from? |
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Posted: 6/12/2020 4:25:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't know fuck about shit. But we do know shit about fuck. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We don't know shit about fuck. We think we know everything, but that's our own ego. You don't know fuck about shit. But we do know shit about fuck. 
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Posted: 6/12/2020 4:26:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: radioactive isotopes alloys ceramics organics (plastics) All of those would have been found in a mine by now. this any many other footprints |
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Posted: 6/12/2020 4:45:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok, then. Where does Xe129 come from? You mean besides the goodly percentage of Xenon already existent here pre-nuclear power? Decay of nuclear isotopes from the formation of the planets? There are still questions and theories on the exact mechanism of planet formation. Questions on how elements were distributed amongst the planets and where they came from. I took a class under this guy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Schmitt, the last man to walk on the moon and only scientist to do so, addressing resource distribution in the solar system. Kinda an expert there. There’s a lot not yet entirely certain, and you want to tell me we KNOW the distribution of XE-129 must be from nuclear weapons? Tell me another. |
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Posted: 6/12/2020 4:57:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly. Pyramids are naturally occurring shapes. Every pile of dirt is a pyramid. https://jooinn.com/images/pile-of-dirt.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I believe there is a chance a civilization more advanced than we give credit for (think Iron Age) may have been around thousands of years prior to what we currently document. The consistency in architecture (stone blocks) between different continents is staggering. There was contact between ancient people. We can't figure out how they made certain stone structures, yet multiple civilizations thfousands of miles apart independently developed the same method? Okay. Um, people all developed "stone blocks" because geometry and physics are constants. Just like pyramids are the most stable and simple structure to construct. https://jooinn.com/images/pile-of-dirt.jpg Is every pile of dirt aligned to true North within 1/20th of a degree? |
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Posted: 6/12/2020 5:10:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You mean besides the goodly percentage of Xenon already existent here pre-nuclear power? Decay of nuclear isotopes from the formation of the planets? There are still questions and theories on the exact mechanism of planet formation. Questions on how elements were distributed amongst the planets and where they came from. I took a class under this guy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Schmitt, the last man to walk on the moon and only scientist to do so, addressing resource distribution in the solar system. Kinda an expert there. There’s a lot not yet entirely certain, and you want to tell me we KNOW the distribution of XE-129 must be from nuclear weapons? Tell me another. Read. All that is addressed in the research.https://www.researchgate.net/publication/340952315_EVIDENCE_OF_A_MASSIVE_THERMONUCLEAR_EXPLOSIONS_ON_MARS_IN_THE_PAST_The_Cydonian_Hypothesis_and_Fermi |
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Posted: 6/12/2020 5:46:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is every pile of dirt aligned to true North within 1/20th of a degree? It’s also almost exactly on the 30 degree parallel. And what’s really fucky is that ancient stone structures in the eastern hemisphere are almost always due north or rotated slightly counter clockwise. In the Western Hemisphere, there’s due north or slightly clockwise. If you take and draw lines where all those orientations intersect, you’ll get five “hot spots” where most of them intersect. Due North or four spots over Greenland. Take the distance between those points and they correlate with the warm periods in the ice records over the last 500,000 years. Go one step further and measure the distance from Teotihuacan to where it’s orientation intersects over Greenland and it’s almost exactly 60 degrees, which if you humor yourself and say true north used to be over Greenland, would put that complex at the same latitude of the Giza Plateau. Also, the distance of the edges of the prehistoric glacial areas is more uniform from Greenland than from True North. |
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Posted: 6/12/2020 5:49:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s also almost exactly on the 30 degree parallel. And what’s really fucky is that ancient stone structures in the eastern hemisphere are almost always due north or rotated slightly counter clockwise. In the Western Hemisphere, there’s due north or slightly clockwise. If you take and draw lines where all those orientations intersect, you’ll get five “hot spots” where most of them intersect. Due North or four spots over Greenland. Take the distance between those points and they correlate with the warm periods in the ice records over the last 500,000 years. Go one step further and measure the distance from Teotihuacan to where it’s orientation intersects over Greenland and it’s almost exactly 60 degrees, which if you humor yourself and say true north used to be over Greenland, would put that complex at the same latitude of the Giza Plateau. Also, the distance of the edges of the prehistoric glacial areas is more uniform from Greenland than from True North. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is every pile of dirt aligned to true North within 1/20th of a degree? It’s also almost exactly on the 30 degree parallel. And what’s really fucky is that ancient stone structures in the eastern hemisphere are almost always due north or rotated slightly counter clockwise. In the Western Hemisphere, there’s due north or slightly clockwise. If you take and draw lines where all those orientations intersect, you’ll get five “hot spots” where most of them intersect. Due North or four spots over Greenland. Take the distance between those points and they correlate with the warm periods in the ice records over the last 500,000 years. Go one step further and measure the distance from Teotihuacan to where it’s orientation intersects over Greenland and it’s almost exactly 60 degrees, which if you humor yourself and say true north used to be over Greenland, would put that complex at the same latitude of the Giza Plateau. Also, the distance of the edges of the prehistoric glacial areas is more uniform from Greenland than from True North. Is all that true? First I've heard of that. Astronomical alignment of ancient structures never fails to blow my mind. |
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Posted: 6/12/2020 6:01:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We didn't even know about one of the 4 currently known ancient civilizations until like 100 years ago. We don't know shit about fuck. Exactly. And look at what we have discovered/been able to do in the last 50 years. 50 years is literally nothing compared to 4 billion. The amount of erosion, volcanoes, earthquakes, tsunamis, asteroid/comet impacts, etc that have occurred over the last 2 billion years would completely erase anything manmade. There have been things found in mines that are clearly not natural that date to millions of years old. |
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Posted: 6/12/2020 6:03:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is all that true? First I've heard of that. Astronomical alignment of ancient structures never fails to blow my mind. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Is every pile of dirt aligned to true North within 1/20th of a degree? It’s also almost exactly on the 30 degree parallel. And what’s really fucky is that ancient stone structures in the eastern hemisphere are almost always due north or rotated slightly counter clockwise. In the Western Hemisphere, there’s due north or slightly clockwise. If you take and draw lines where all those orientations intersect, you’ll get five “hot spots” where most of them intersect. Due North or four spots over Greenland. Take the distance between those points and they correlate with the warm periods in the ice records over the last 500,000 years. Go one step further and measure the distance from Teotihuacan to where it’s orientation intersects over Greenland and it’s almost exactly 60 degrees, which if you humor yourself and say true north used to be over Greenland, would put that complex at the same latitude of the Giza Plateau. Also, the distance of the edges of the prehistoric glacial areas is more uniform from Greenland than from True North. Is all that true? First I've heard of that. Astronomical alignment of ancient structures never fails to blow my mind. Yes. Blew my fucking mind. I became obsessed with it and built a computer with hundreds of GPU cores and severa terabytes of SSD storage to compute the entire world database to see if the data I was shown was cherry picked. It wasn’t. |
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Posted: 6/12/2020 6:24:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is that supposed to be beyond our current knowledge of stonework? It’s beyond the knowledge of many observers today who are neither stonemasons nor historians. Thus, aliens. |
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Posted: 6/12/2020 7:10:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Read. All that is addressed in the research.https://www.researchgate.net/publication/340952315_EVIDENCE_OF_A_MASSIVE_THERMONUCLEAR_EXPLOSIONS_ON_MARS_IN_THE_PAST_The_Cydonian_Hypothesis_and_Fermi A scientific social network. Self-published papers. Dude...do you even science? Writing something and self-publishing it isn’t peer-reviewed journal. I demand the latter. And, again, there is a lot we don’t know. Insisting high levels of XE-129 could only be from a nuclear war is tin foil hat BS. It exists naturally, ergo there could be other explanations. Show evidence of things that aren’t present naturally and I will believe you. |
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Posted: 6/12/2020 9:49:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Giza Plateau sits on bedrock and the water damage on the Sphinx is indicative that it has been around AT LEAST since the region was a wet semi-tropical climate. There's no doubt the head was re-carved at least once and it was most likely a lion overall. Lol. You know the nile flooded, right? And it's limestone? Anyone telling you they can date it on erosion is a liar. Khafre had it carved. Prove me wrong. |
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Posted: 6/12/2020 9:53:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/35/40/27/3540275c425647ceb30070223ecac71f.jpg https://tinfoilhatlady.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/20130421_104101.jpg?w=1000 This kind of stuff. There are lots of videos/pics of this exact technique across the world. Here, let me help, lol.      
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Posted: 6/12/2020 10:01:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol. You know the nile flooded, right? And it's limestone? Anyone telling you they can date it on erosion is a liar. Khafre had it carved. Prove me wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The Giza Plateau sits on bedrock and the water damage on the Sphinx is indicative that it has been around AT LEAST since the region was a wet semi-tropical climate. There's no doubt the head was re-carved at least once and it was most likely a lion overall. Lol. You know the nile flooded, right? And it's limestone? Anyone telling you they can date it on erosion is a liar. Khafre had it carved. Prove me wrong. you do know there's a difference between rain erosion and flooding erosion, right? |
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Posted: 6/12/2020 10:02:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 10 mm sockets 
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Posted: 6/12/2020 10:20:57 PM EDT
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I’ve been drinking so I’m probably not going to articulated this very well but, I think there has been more than one past advanced civilization. Possibly way more advanced. As a poster said earlier, tectonics, etc. We have no clue what types of technologies the past inhabitants discovered. Could be way past our wildest imaginations. What kills me is we are so lucky to be here in this small blip of time, and yet we are squandering it on wars this left vs right bullshit.
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Posted: 6/12/2020 10:22:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is every pile of dirt aligned to true North within 1/20th of a degree? Why would the fact that native peoples around the world aligned some of their structures to the one universal direction (highlighted by the only stationary star in the northern sky) that all of them could reference be a mystery? True North was the foundation of astronomy/astrology. You can't identify the exact timing of the equinoxes (useful for agricultural planning) or set a useful calendar without the reference of true north from which to mark your observations. Mike |
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Posted: 6/12/2020 10:27:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would the fact that native peoples around the world aligned some of their structures to the one universal direction (highlighted by the only stationary star in the northern sky) that all of them could reference be a mystery? True North was the foundation of astronomy/astrology. You can't identify the exact timing of the equinoxes (useful for agricultural planning) or set a useful calendar without the reference of true north from which to mark your observations. Mike Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is every pile of dirt aligned to true North within 1/20th of a degree? Why would the fact that native peoples around the world aligned some of their structures to the one universal direction (highlighted by the only stationary star in the northern sky) that all of them could reference be a mystery? True North was the foundation of astronomy/astrology. You can't identify the exact timing of the equinoxes (useful for agricultural planning) or set a useful calendar without the reference of true north from which to mark your observations. Mike You don't need true North for equinox planning. |
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Posted: 6/12/2020 10:37:11 PM EDT
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Industrial civilization? I seriously doubt one existed prior to ours.
But one the equivalent of an advanced Iron-Age civilization, like the Roman Empire of 300AD? I could easily believe such a thing existed 10,000-15,000 years ago when sea levels were 300ft lower, and the evidence is now under the ocean sands off the coast. Pre-industrial people tended to inhabit coastlines and rivers where food and transportation were easier. |
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Posted: 6/12/2020 10:37:42 PM EDT
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The mineral consumption of an even proto-industrial age society from the low hanging fruit in the upper crust would have been noted.
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Posted: 6/12/2020 10:39:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: you do know there's a difference between rain erosion and flooding erosion, right? What are the odds that the rock was already eroded greatly when the Sphynx was carved, such that much of that weathering was still evident the day it was finished? Such weathered features might have been filled with plaster or other material at the time that did not survive until the present. Mike |
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Posted: 6/12/2020 10:41:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What are the odds that the rock was already eroded greatly when the Sphynx was carved, such that much of that weathering was still evident the day it was finished? Such weathered features might have been filled with plaster or other material at the time that did not survive until the present. Mike Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: you do know there's a difference between rain erosion and flooding erosion, right? What are the odds that the rock was already eroded greatly when the Sphynx was carved, such that much of that weathering was still evident the day it was finished? Such weathered features might have been filled with plaster or other material at the time that did not survive until the present. Mike Zero. |
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Posted: 6/12/2020 10:43:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And what’s really fucky is that ancient stone structures in the eastern hemisphere are almost always due north or rotated slightly counter clockwise. In the Western Hemisphere, there’s due north or slightly clockwise. If you take and draw lines where all those orientations intersect, you’ll get five “hot spots” where most of them intersect. Due North or four spots over Greenland. Take the distance between those points and they correlate with the warm periods in the ice records over the last 500,000 years. How do you get a distance associated with time periods? That isn't science - it barely qualifies as quackery. |
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Posted: 6/12/2020 10:44:43 PM EDT
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The Clacton Spear is 450,000 years old and is nothing more than a fire hardened piece of wood that survived because of random events.
If there was some ancient industrial civilization, there is a close to 100% chance artifacts would have survived for us to find. Whether we ever find them is another matter. |
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Posted: 6/12/2020 11:00:11 PM EDT
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If it hasn't been covered.
Younger Dryas Boundary Impact Hypothesis. Sea level is 400 feet on average than it was 13500 years ago. There was a society there HOW advanced??? I figure about late 1860's level of tech Maybe. At the earliest maybe 1810-1830's level of tech. No planes no cars. Steam engines MAYBE. Atlantis really did exist I think. Follow Plato's writings on it and the Azores are the only logical conclusion. Randal Carlson's work on YDBIH and Atlantis makes me think YEAH he's right along with others. |
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Posted: 6/12/2020 11:07:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 10 mm sockets OK. That was good. |
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Posted: 6/12/2020 11:12:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: you do know there's a difference between rain erosion and flooding erosion, right? How do we date a stone carving? |
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Posted: 6/13/2020 12:09:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Industrial civilization? I seriously doubt one existed prior to ours. But one the equivalent of an advanced Iron-Age civilization, like the Roman Empire of 300AD? I could easily believe such a thing existed 10,000-15,000 years ago when sea levels were 300ft lower, and the evidence is now under the ocean sands off the coast. Pre-industrial people tended to inhabit coastlines and rivers where food and transportation were easier. Doggerland kind of thing. |
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Posted: 6/13/2020 12:28:19 AM EDT
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The scalloped stone carvings seem to me to be rough finishing cuts on stone intended for something important. There's no lip raised like ice cream, there's intersecting zones of stone on stone abrasion. The unfinished obelisk quarry in Aswan is what I posted pics of. I took those pics. That stone was worked all throughout that city, it's all one big quarry.
There's only "liquefied rock" bullshit if you want there to be.  Shadow being your humble narrator:  |
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Posted: 6/13/2020 12:34:30 AM EDT
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The wonders of truly ancient civilization are incredible enough without aliens and bullshit. Go see them, then come talk to me.
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Posted: 6/13/2020 12:44:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How do you get a distance associated with time periods? That isn't science - it barely qualifies as quackery. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And what’s really fucky is that ancient stone structures in the eastern hemisphere are almost always due north or rotated slightly counter clockwise. In the Western Hemisphere, there’s due north or slightly clockwise. If you take and draw lines where all those orientations intersect, you’ll get five “hot spots” where most of them intersect. Due North or four spots over Greenland. Take the distance between those points and they correlate with the warm periods in the ice records over the last 500,000 years. How do you get a distance associated with time periods? That isn't science - it barely qualifies as quackery. So, forget the ice periods for a bit and explain why ancient structures that are all over the world and not oriented due north would have orientations that point somewhere else with consistency? And, unrelated, what’s in the bag?  |
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Posted: 6/13/2020 12:51:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, forget the ice periods for a bit and explain why ancient structures that are all over the world and not oriented due north would have orientations that point somewhere else with consistency? And, unrelated, what's in the bag? https://i.pinimg.com/originals/59/cb/b0/59cbb009e5c3420eee76febe61e21529.png Chamber pot ? |
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Posted: 6/13/2020 1:02:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The wonders of truly ancient civilization are incredible enough without aliens and bullshit. Go see them, then come talk to me. Haven’t been to as many places as you, but what I saw in Europe and Asia while traveling a few times, and at museums in the US, was fantastic. Roman ruins, ancient burial mounds, relics and carvings. People have been around an insanely long time, and we always leave detritus behind. At the very least broken crockery and poop, always a popular choice. Plus we’re far cleverer (and crueler) than we give ourselves credit for or like to admit - we’ve done a lot with very rudimentary tools (and slave labor from time to time, though artisans too), and left things that survive the millennia. Moved stones over vast distances and baffled ourselves as to how (generally realizing at some point we don’t give ourselves enough credit, or realize how cruel we can be to each other if we have an end in mind, or both). Then decide aliens must’ve done it because who would be crazy enough to move stones vast distances to put up in a giant circle, or to carve into big heads or ceremonial money? That’s right, us. I’m not a humanist by any stretch of the imagination but we seem at turns to overestimate our abilities (“if we just tried socialism hard enough we could make a world run by good vibes, rainbows, and unicorn farts!”), or underestimate how damned hard we’ll work at things (I can argue ancient structures, but for something no one can argue look at cathedrals. They could take generations to finish. Very poor people would willingly contribute and work on things they knew they’d never see the end of. With tools people today wouldn’t even buy, or use if they were given for free, unless they were one of those SCA types. And that would then last. And last. And last.). |
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Posted: 6/13/2020 1:11:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, forget the ice periods for a bit and explain why ancient structures that are all over the world and not oriented due north would have orientations that point somewhere else with consistency? And, unrelated, what’s in the bag? https://i.pinimg.com/originals/59/cb/b0/59cbb009e5c3420eee76febe61e21529.png You do realize humanity comes from a common origin point (per our latest scientific knowledge) and likely brought their religions with them as they moved on, right? Makes such stuff (and shared religious themes) unsurprising. As does a shared obsession with seasons and stars around the world. Again, we don’t always really think about how long civilization of some sort has been around. Not industrialized, but ritualized burials, indicating likely religious practice. That stuff sticks with people. And did. Aliens make for nice History Channel specials. That people hand stories and ideas down the generations is far more boring, but also more sensible. |
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Posted: 6/13/2020 1:46:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Haven’t been to as many places as you, but what I saw in Europe and Asia while traveling a few times, and at museums in the US, was fantastic. Roman ruins, ancient burial mounds, relics and carvings. People have been around an insanely long time, and we always leave detritus behind. At the very least broken crockery and poop, always a popular choice. Plus we’re far cleverer (and crueler) than we give ourselves credit for or like to admit - we’ve done a lot with very rudimentary tools (and slave labor from time to time, though artisans too), and left things that survive the millennia. Moved stones over vast distances and baffled ourselves as to how (generally realizing at some point we don’t give ourselves enough credit, or realize how cruel we can be to each other if we have an end in mind, or both). Then decide aliens must’ve done it because who would be crazy enough to move stones vast distances to put up in a giant circle, or to carve into big heads or ceremonial money? That’s right, us. I’m not a humanist by any stretch of the imagination but we seem at turns to overestimate our abilities (“if we just tried socialism hard enough we could make a world run by good vibes, rainbows, and unicorn farts!”), or underestimate how damned hard we’ll work at things (I can argue ancient structures, but for something no one can argue look at cathedrals. They could take generations to finish. Very poor people would willingly contribute and work on things they knew they’d never see the end of. With tools people today wouldn’t even buy, or use if they were given for free, unless they were one of those SCA types. And that would then last. And last. And last.). There's a rock between the paws of the Great Sphinx, it's the Dream Stele.   The shitty wikipedia text gives the general idea: ""Now the statue of the very great Khepri [the Great Sphinx] rested in this place, great of fame, sacred of respect, the shade of Ra resting on him. Memphis and every city on its two sides came to him, their arms in adoration to his face, bearing great offerings for his Ka. One of these days it happened that prince Thutmose came travelling at the time of midday. He rested in the shadow of this great god. [Sleep and] dream [took possession of him] at the moment the sun was at zenith. Then he found the majesty of this noble god speaking from his own mouth like a father speaks to his son, and saying: "Look at me, observe me, my son Thutmose. I am your father Horemakhet-Khepri-Ra-Atum. I shall give to you the kingship [upon the land before the living]....[Behold, my condition is like one in illness], all [my limbs being ruined]. The sand of the desert, upon which I used to be, (now) confronts me; and it is in order to cause that you do what is in my heart that I have waited." 1401BC.  But it's talking about the Sphinx being in a bit of decrepitude. It's buried in the desert's sands. It's limbs are broken. It's a thousand fucking years old by that point. Egypt has been through not one but two of its "intermediate periods" where shit's all gone to hell. He digs that fucker out, probably repaints it, maybe plaster, maybe carving, and it makes him Pharaoh. Yay Thutmose III. We've got his head!  ...and a portrait from less dead times:  Point being, "ancient egypt" went long enough and included enough periods of dark chaos that making claims about the age of the Sphinx based on its condition is probably silly. Contextually, it fits in with Khafre's staggeringly incredible old kingdom monstrosity of a pyramid complex. He perhaps did this to draw attention from his grandfather (?) Khufu's truly epic example of the art which had been perfected by Sneferu a short time before. All that crap got worked over by desert and floods and looters and the collapse of society a few times. 
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Posted: 6/13/2020 2:06:42 AM EDT
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I really have no clue, education on it but I am going to shit post anyhow.
The earth is 4.543 billion years old. The Mesozoic era was between 66 and 245 million years ago. It takes glass 1 million years to decompose. So what I would call less than a brief fart in the time of the earth that we have been here, we have a hard time finding evidence of some civilizations. Look whats left of the roman civilization. In 2 million years, there will more than likely be 0 left if its even remembered. So, if there was some sort of civilization 500 million, 1 billion years ago then there might be no clue. or The earth was filled with nazi's and lizard people 1 billion years ago and they now live in the core. I don't fucking know and we will probably never know in our life times. |
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Posted: 6/13/2020 2:49:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: radioactive isotopes alloys ceramics organics (plastics) All of those would have been found in a mine by now. Yep, and if "they" went to the industrial level, "they" would have also gone global, just as our ancestors did. Going to the level of European development would not even be necessary. Hell, look how far the ancestors of the Polynesians went with navigation with only naturally occurring materials, sharp minds and pure resolve. BTW, that shit has fascinated me more than my white ancestors on tall ships. Their maps, sextants and compasses were in the head of some old geezer on deck.  These million year old industrialists would have had to have been a branch off our ancestral tree. Seems to me the calamitous end that killed them off would have also taken out our lineage, too. If the theory goes in to some cross pollination of tech from some visiting alien race, I call BS on that avenue. We dream of benevolent Vulcans making first contact, to nurture our survival. If travel between point A and point B is actually throttled by Einstein's theories, our planet's inhabitants will have been spawned, lived their course and died without any detection from any other possible intelligent life in just our galaxy. We are very small and brief in intergalactic scale of things. Like the single flash of a single lightning bug in a very, very large swamp. There are likely a species of Vulcans on some planet, out in interstellar space, if you work out the mathematics, but they are also a single flash, stuck in their part of the swamp like we are. There needs to be a new word for space. One that more adequately conveys just how freaking large, sparse, hostile and scattered it is. |
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Posted: 6/13/2020 2:50:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's a rock between the paws of the Great Sphinx, it's the Dream Stele. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Great_Sphinx_with_Stelae.jpg/1024px-Great_Sphinx_with_Stelae.jpg https://i.pinimg.com/736x/e8/e4/9b/e8e49bc9143caa9ebbb7479aece3aa0c.jpg The shitty wikipedia text gives the general idea: ""Now the statue of the very great Khepri [the Great Sphinx] rested in this place, great of fame, sacred of respect, the shade of Ra resting on him. Memphis and every city on its two sides came to him, their arms in adoration to his face, bearing great offerings for his Ka. One of these days it happened that prince Thutmose came travelling at the time of midday. He rested in the shadow of this great god. [Sleep and] dream [took possession of him] at the moment the sun was at zenith. Then he found the majesty of this noble god speaking from his own mouth like a father speaks to his son, and saying: "Look at me, observe me, my son Thutmose. I am your father Horemakhet-Khepri-Ra-Atum. I shall give to you the kingship [upon the land before the living]....[Behold, my condition is like one in illness], all [my limbs being ruined]. The sand of the desert, upon which I used to be, (now) confronts me; and it is in order to cause that you do what is in my heart that I have waited." 1401BC. But it's talking about the Sphinx being in a bit of decrepitude. It's buried in the desert's sands. It's limbs are broken. It's a thousand fucking years old by that point. Egypt has been through not one but two of its "intermediate periods" where shit's all gone to hell. He digs that fucker out, probably repaints it, maybe plaster, maybe carving, and it makes him Pharaoh. Yay Thutmose III. We've got his head! https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/Thutmose_III_Head.jpg ...and a portrait from less dead times: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/Thutmosis_III_wien_front.jpg Point being, "ancient egypt" went long enough and included enough periods of dark chaos that making claims about the age of the Sphinx based on its condition is probably silly. Contextually, it fits in with Khafre's staggeringly incredible old kingdom monstrosity of a pyramid complex. He perhaps did this to draw attention from his grandfather (?) Khufu's truly epic example of the art which had been perfected by Sneferu a short time before. All that crap got worked over by desert and floods and looters and the collapse of society a few times.  . Cool! Hadn’t studied it in detail, but it’s cool to find out more. And the amount of renovation, forgetting, and rediscovery in history is hard to fathom. Hence. “Aliens!”
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Posted: 6/13/2020 2:58:00 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We don't know shit about fuck. We think we know everything, but that's our own ego. One trait that got us to this point of development is ego. I give that to us humans. If it would have been absent, our ancestors would have just jumped from the shelter of our trees and let the lions chow down. Saw a video of some Maasai tribesmen, three of them, armed only with spears, bulldog a pride of lions off a kill and take some meat. It was totally badass and beautiful. Wish I had balls that big. |
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Posted: 6/13/2020 3:00:16 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There needs to be a new word for space. One that more adequately conveys just how freaking large, sparse, hostile and scattered it is. Probably should be. “Space” sounds like a room or something. Trying to convey that just getting to the moon involves massive feats, and going to another planet in our own solar system involves risking solar storms, micrometeorites, and sterilizing radiation, not to mention a complete lack of atmosphere and extremes of temperature...yeah, need something that sounds more like the ancient view of the sea than just “space”. |
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Posted: 6/13/2020 4:12:50 AM EDT
[#43]
atlantis is real?
i want to believe. |
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Posted: 6/13/2020 6:34:40 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How do we date a stone carving? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: you do know there's a difference between rain erosion and flooding erosion, right? How do we date a stone carving? A bottle of cheap wine and a full tank of gas. |
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Posted: 6/13/2020 7:35:05 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They looked kinda like 6ft pineapples with tentacles and wings. We were genetically engineered by them for food and labor. Their headquarters were in the mountains of Antarctica. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well first we'd have to figure out which species would be capable of such a civilization as millions of years ago is outside the range of homo sapiens. They looked kinda like 6ft pineapples with tentacles and wings. We were genetically engineered by them for food and labor. Their headquarters were in the mountains of Antarctica. That's Madness. |
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Posted: 6/13/2020 7:50:21 AM EDT
[#46]
Yes it would. For an industry you need roads and solid foundations to mount your "industry" upon. You need huge infrastructure. think railroads and ports, to feed your "industry". These huge man made structures would be obvious in a geologic record. Unless they were under the ocean.
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Posted: 6/13/2020 9:00:39 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes it would. For an industry you need roads and solid foundations to mount your "industry" upon. You need huge infrastructure. think railroads and ports, to feed your "industry". These huge man made structures would be obvious in a geologic record. Unless they were under the ocean. We are in an incredibly calm geological period, but we’ve seen what a hurricane, tornado or tsunami can do, and we only have videos of the last, maybe 60 years and we would rebuild afterwards. Now, make it so humans are not in an area for not just 1,000, but 50,000 years, and tell me how much would be left.  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 6/13/2020 9:15:28 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The presence of large amounts of xenon 129 in Mars atmosphere indicates a planet killing nuclear war in the very distant past. Seriously. except that xenon 129 is a natural decay product of iodine 129. Another natural isotope. "131mXe, 133Xe, 133mXe, and 135Xe are some of the fission products of both 235U and 239Pu, so are used as indicators of nuclear explosions." wiki quote |
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Posted: 6/13/2020 11:55:30 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So, forget the ice periods for a bit and explain why ancient structures that are all over the world and not oriented due north would have orientations that point somewhere else with consistency? And, unrelated, what’s in the bag? https://i.pinimg.com/originals/59/cb/b0/59cbb009e5c3420eee76febe61e21529.png Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: And what’s really fucky is that ancient stone structures in the eastern hemisphere are almost always due north or rotated slightly counter clockwise. In the Western Hemisphere, there’s due north or slightly clockwise. If you take and draw lines where all those orientations intersect, you’ll get five “hot spots” where most of them intersect. Due North or four spots over Greenland. Take the distance between those points and they correlate with the warm periods in the ice records over the last 500,000 years. How do you get a distance associated with time periods? That isn't science - it barely qualifies as quackery. So, forget the ice periods for a bit and explain why ancient structures that are all over the world and not oriented due north would have orientations that point somewhere else with consistency? And, unrelated, what’s in the bag? https://i.pinimg.com/originals/59/cb/b0/59cbb009e5c3420eee76febe61e21529.png Proof from antiquity that the Dikfer is real. |
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Posted: 6/14/2020 12:13:32 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There's a lot we don't know about pre-history. Up until a few years ago, the ancient Finnish Empire was considered a myth, but these days we know better. https://i.imgur.com/bFPbqsr.jpg Oreally?  . Interesting, if true. Gonna have to read up on that. |
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