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Originally Posted By Makarov: Some of you people are delusional. Single-use plastics are a HUGE problem, Worldwide. I’ve been to uninhabited islands where the beaches are more plastic trash than sand and several feet deep. Plastics are contaminating our drinking water and our food supply. It is linked to low Testosterone levels in men. Honestly, I believe some of you would shit in your own water well while chanting that “the solution to pollution is dilution” and other moronic things stupid people like to repeat. Plastics are vital to modern living but we need to address proper manufacture to disposal practices. That’s NOT a “Left” or “Right” issue. For a site populated with rugged men who like to think of themselves as being self-sufficient, hate urban life and makes fun of India. Many of you seem eager to live in other people’s garbage. View Quote Let us not also be so delusional that we as a first world nation in our "attempt" to clean up our backyard thru insane regulations, have pushed that shit overseas into third world nations to deal with. All that single use plastic shit we think we are recycling? Naaaah, ship it to chyna. Now they dont want it and we just throw it in a landfill somewhere. |
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Of course, we were lied to. The real concern is the number of people who sucked it up without doing their homework. It was easy to disprove. Use Google Maps and you find it never showed up on Satelite no matter how close you zoomed in. Any object of any meaningful size would be super easy to spot.
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Originally Posted By 64tinc: The earth will overcome anything we can dish out. Climidiots talk about the fragile earth. Earth is violent and we can only nuke it to make an impact. After it heals from the blasts and we're all gone it will still be here and thrive again. View Quote "Let's be clear: humans can only destroy the Earth for us. It will survive us." |
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Originally Posted By Paul: Where? Latitude and longitude please since they most likely won't be named. I spend 24 years sailing the Pacific and never saw anything close to what you claim. View Quote Remote island is buried under plastic trash Bali's famous beaches covered in plastic garbage |
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Why do Americans always want to enforce their stupidity upon the world?
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Celebrating the remains of the Second Amendment one Fine Firearm at a Time. I am not friends with school shooters.
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In my personal experience from running a boat in the Pacific and Asia in the 90s, the plastic rafts were real but small and isolated. Plastic trash was everywhere in Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, and Singapore. It washed out of the rivers, down storm drains, and a hundred other ways because the people didn't give the slightest shit about pollution. I've been to places where we couldn't run jet tenders because their intakes would clog. Asia was fucking filthy, and that shit found its way into the Pacific. Also in the Pacific were massive industrial fishing operations that would litter the sea with discarded nets, lines, buoys, and other trash. The tiny little atoll of Lamotrek, about 600 nm south of Guam, had plastic trash on the beaches. The Red Sea around Egypt was much the same. Conversely, in the North Atlantic and the western Mediterranean , AKA first world waters, you would hardly see any.
We hit a plastic raft one night while transiting the Straits of Malacca, a very busy shipping lane. Both engines stalled, and diving under the boat revealed that the two shafts and props were completely fouled with plastics like sheeting, rope, net, and colorful woven plastic commonly used for sails and other purposes in Asia. Picture two giant cones of cotton candy. It took my wife and I two tanks each and a few hours to get it all cut loose, all while listening to the whump whump whump of ship propellers passing by as we drifted. FWIW |
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Originally Posted By HiFlow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-CSy-9Dl58 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KKR4qDhCng View Quote Not even one inch at 100% coverage. I want the FEET of trash claimed. |
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Originally Posted By Chisum: Of course, we were lied to. The real concern is the number of people who sucked it up without doing their homework. It was easy to disprove. Use Google Maps and you find it never showed up on Satelite no matter how close you zoomed in. Any object of any meaningful size would be super easy to spot. View Quote 45 TONS of trash in one single deployment of surface skimming. The Ocean Cleanup’s System 03 Captures Record Amounts of Plastic From the Pacific |
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Single use plastic is kinda a waste and does littler the ocean.
Goto any non-US beach or northern Mediterranean beach and you will see the shit everywhere. Seen and recoverd plastic bags and bottles off reefs myself. Is it doing harm? I dont know but its trash that doesn't belong in those locations. |
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Originally Posted By Paul: Not even one inch at 100% coverage. I want the FEET of trash claimed. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Paul: Originally Posted By HiFlow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-CSy-9Dl58 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KKR4qDhCng Not even one inch at 100% coverage. I want the FEET of trash claimed. So you are saying there is no issue at all unless its buried under FEET of trash. JFC. |
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Originally Posted By HiFlow: So you are saying there is no issue at all unless its buried under FEET of trash. JFC. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By HiFlow: Originally Posted By Paul: Originally Posted By HiFlow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-CSy-9Dl58 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KKR4qDhCng Not even one inch at 100% coverage. I want the FEET of trash claimed. So you are saying there is no issue at all unless its buried under FEET of trash. JFC. Go back and read the entire quote tree before getting emotional. |
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Originally Posted By Axethrower: I agree with everything said here, I believe it to be correct. Plastic in the oceans and pollution in general from plastics, and also electronic waste, is a serious problem. But how do we get 4 billion indians, chinese and south east asians, and 1,5 billion africans to actually care? It always comes down to Europe and the core anglosphere, i.e. the best countries when it comes to handling pollution, getting blamed for it. Of course we need to do our part, but there is only so much we can do. The rest also needs to do their part. At least what the solution is NOT, is for the civilized world to not give a shit either. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Axethrower: Originally Posted By Makarov: Some of you people are delusional. Single-use plastics are a HUGE problem, Worldwide. I've been to uninhabited islands where the beaches are more plastic trash than sand and several feet deep. Plastics are contaminating our drinking water and our food supply. It is linked to low Testosterone levels in men. Honestly, I believe some of you would shit in your own water well while chanting that "the solution to pollution is dilution" and other moronic things stupid people like to repeat. Plastics are vital to modern living but we need to address proper manufacture to disposal practices. That's NOT a "Left" or "Right" issue. For a site populated with rugged men who like to think of themselves as being self-sufficient, hate urban life and makes fun of India. Many of you seem eager to live in other people's garbage. I agree with everything said here, I believe it to be correct. Plastic in the oceans and pollution in general from plastics, and also electronic waste, is a serious problem. But how do we get 4 billion indians, chinese and south east asians, and 1,5 billion africans to actually care? It always comes down to Europe and the core anglosphere, i.e. the best countries when it comes to handling pollution, getting blamed for it. Of course we need to do our part, but there is only so much we can do. The rest also needs to do their part. At least what the solution is NOT, is for the civilized world to not give a shit either. Poor nations full of poverty can't spend money on anything but their elite class running the countries affairs. The elite seldom see the consequences from their walled enclaves and don't care when they do. The only way to get their attention is by taking their comfortable lives away. After a while a new bunch of thugs takes over. The common citizens can't, and won't, be educated about the consequences, they're occupied by simply surviving day to day. The don't care, and won't understand whether their practices and pollution make their condition worse. |
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Originally Posted By Matthew_Q: Pretty much this... but the lie is that it's some big "island larger than Texas that you can see from space!" Further lies are that if we (first world countries) ban plastic straws, it will do fuckall to solve the problem. The reality is that there ARE a lot of plastics getting into the oceans, but almost all of it comes from the third world, because they can't handle the trash. The stuff ends up in rivers, then it gets out to seas. It's a problem, but not like they're telling you, and the solutions (guilt) they are trying to put on us aren't solutions at all. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Matthew_Q: Originally Posted By TheTallest: I've come to terms with the fact that I'm being lied to about absolutely everything. That's why I don't believe anything. Pretty much this... but the lie is that it's some big "island larger than Texas that you can see from space!" Further lies are that if we (first world countries) ban plastic straws, it will do fuckall to solve the problem. The reality is that there ARE a lot of plastics getting into the oceans, but almost all of it comes from the third world, because they can't handle the trash. The stuff ends up in rivers, then it gets out to seas. It's a problem, but not like they're telling you, and the solutions (guilt) they are trying to put on us aren't solutions at all. The only answer is more socialism! Move government!! That works every time to make things better. |
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Originally Posted By -daddy: Go back and read the entire quote tree before getting emotional. View Quote YOU go back and read the quote tree. He posted that he has never seen it and wanted proof. I grabbed the FIRST 2 videos in a youtube search about plastic trash on beaches. Then he disputed it by saying it wasnt substantial enough to merit any real concern because it wasnt 100% coverage. Im not emotional about it but Im not gonna "pretend" the shits not real. And Im sure AF not gonna let you condescendingly try to thump your chest about it either. Are you saying the 2 videos I posted are bullshit and not an issue? I can walk 100 yards to my local waterfront and easily pick up a trash bag of shit washed up on the banks in 30 minutes or less. |
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Originally Posted By Makarov: Some of you people are delusional. Single-use plastics are a HUGE problem, Worldwide. I’ve been to uninhabited islands where the beaches are more plastic trash than sand and several feet deep. Plastics are contaminating our drinking water and our food supply. It is linked to low Testosterone levels in men. Honestly, I believe some of you would shit in your own water well while chanting that “the solution to pollution is dilution” and other moronic things stupid people like to repeat. Plastics are vital to modern living but we need to address proper manufacture to disposal practices. That’s NOT a “Left” or “Right” issue. For a site populated with rugged men who like to think of themselves as being self-sufficient, hate urban life and makes fun of India. Many of you seem eager to live in other people’s garbage. View Quote ^^^True. But, we are supposed to ignore facts because some fucktard post a video on YT?!?!?!? But we have to remember 87% of GD has Confirmation bias. |
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Originally Posted By HiFlow: YOU go back and read the quote tree. He posted that he has never seen it and wanted proof. I grabbed the FIRST 2 videos in a youtube search about plastic trash on beaches. Then he disputed it by saying it wasnt substantial enough to merit any real concern because it wasnt 100% coverage. Im not emotional about it but Im not gonna "pretend" the shits not real. And Im sure AF not gonna let you condescendingly try to thump your chest about it either. Are you saying the 2 videos I posted are bullshit and not an issue? I can walk 100 yards to my local waterfront and easily pick up a trash bag of shit washed up on the banks in 30 minutes or less. View Quote I did that with ~30 members of Jackson Guard (Eglin AFB across from Destin) last month and will be doing it again tomorrow (Hurlburt Field). The amount of plastic and general trash is disgusting. |
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If there really were islands of plastic, someone would figure out a cost effective way to harvest it and make money off it.
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Originally Posted By MikeJGA: I did that with ~30 members of Jackson Guard (Eglin AFB across from Destin) last month and will be doing it again tomorrow (Hurlburt Field). The amount of plastic and general trash is disgusting. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By MikeJGA: Originally Posted By HiFlow: YOU go back and read the quote tree. He posted that he has never seen it and wanted proof. I grabbed the FIRST 2 videos in a youtube search about plastic trash on beaches. Then he disputed it by saying it wasnt substantial enough to merit any real concern because it wasnt 100% coverage. Im not emotional about it but Im not gonna "pretend" the shits not real. And Im sure AF not gonna let you condescendingly try to thump your chest about it either. Are you saying the 2 videos I posted are bullshit and not an issue? I can walk 100 yards to my local waterfront and easily pick up a trash bag of shit washed up on the banks in 30 minutes or less. I did that with ~30 members of Jackson Guard (Eglin AFB across from Destin) last month and will be doing it again tomorrow (Hurlburt Field). The amount of plastic and general trash is disgusting. The same riverfront shoreline I spent my entire youth fishing, canoeing, and walking the shores to find sharks teeth is so riddled in broken glass that it would be STUPID to even attempt to walk the sandy shores barefoot anymore. And this is just from the trash ass drunk fucks that go there to drink beer then smash the bottles, toss them into the water, or leave them on the shoreline to get smashed eventually. Every time I go there now I bring a bag that ultimately gets filled with all sorts of discarded rubbish. |
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I teach my daughters to shoot because a restraining order is just a piece of paper.
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Originally Posted By HiFlow: There is NO MONEY IN IT. Thats why its a problem. We were and still are being LIED to about plastics ease of recyclability. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By HiFlow: Originally Posted By Genin: If there really were islands of plastic, someone would figure out a cost effective way to harvest it and make money off it. There is NO MONEY IN IT. Thats why its a problem. We were and still are being LIED to about plastics ease of recyclability. China figured that out when they were taking the zero sort recycling from western countries. Now they still get paid to take it, but it seems that most of it is ending up in landfills, at least according to what I've read recently. It's hard to know what's true. |
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Originally Posted By CTM1: Apparently not enough as their population is dropping. So please sacrifice more babies to save the whales. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CTM1: Originally Posted By BrontosaurusRex: I jerk off in the ocean to feed the sperm whales Apparently not enough as their population is dropping. So please sacrifice more babies to save the whales. Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great. If a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate. |
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Pay more taxes and the plastic will disappear.
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Originally Posted By Mojo_Jojo: Interesting video: (having difficulty attaching live links) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IglBJ62Sv3Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IglBJ62Sv3Q View Quote Ronald Reagan: The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. |
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Originally Posted By ar_mcadams: In the end though all jokes aside we use a shit load of plastic. We being the world not just us. View Quote For real. Lol@boomers knowing the “real truth” about the big green monopolies. There’s significant evidence that our bodies are being inundated by micro plastics. |
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Originally Posted By PCUT: Single use plastic is kinda a waste and does littler the ocean. Goto any non-US beach or northern Mediterranean beach and you will see the shit everywhere. Seen and recoverd plastic bags and bottles off reefs myself. Is it doing harm? I dont know but its trash that doesn't belong in those locations. View Quote Much of what is in the oceans is from storms and hurricanes washing everything to sea. Don't forget large coastal cities, like NYC, ocean dumps their waste and garbage. Then to impress you with their concern for the environment, when it washes ashore, you have to pay to clean up your beaches. |
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Originally Posted By AeroE: Poor nations full of poverty can't spend money on anything but their elite class running the countries affairs. The elite seldom see the consequences from their walled enclaves and don't care when they do. The only way to get their attention is by taking their comfortable lives away. After a while a new bunch of thugs takes over. The common citizens can't, and won't, be educated about the consequences, they're occupied by simply surviving day to day. The don't care, and won't understand whether their practices and pollution make their condition worse. View Quote Clean-up creates jobs. |
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Taxation without representation
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Originally Posted By HiFlow: 45 TONS of trash in one single deployment of surface skimming. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8drUT_cZy8 View Quote This looks fake AF. Scam |
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Originally Posted By HiFlow: Let us not also be so delusional that we as a first world nation in our "attempt" to clean up our backyard thru insane regulations, have pushed that shit overseas into third world nations to deal with. All that single use plastic shit we think we are recycling? Naaaah, ship it to chyna. Now they dont want it and we just throw it in a landfill somewhere. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By HiFlow: Originally Posted By Makarov: Some of you people are delusional. Single-use plastics are a HUGE problem, Worldwide. I’ve been to uninhabited islands where the beaches are more plastic trash than sand and several feet deep. Plastics are contaminating our drinking water and our food supply. It is linked to low Testosterone levels in men. Honestly, I believe some of you would shit in your own water well while chanting that “the solution to pollution is dilution” and other moronic things stupid people like to repeat. Plastics are vital to modern living but we need to address proper manufacture to disposal practices. That’s NOT a “Left” or “Right” issue. For a site populated with rugged men who like to think of themselves as being self-sufficient, hate urban life and makes fun of India. Many of you seem eager to live in other people’s garbage. Let us not also be so delusional that we as a first world nation in our "attempt" to clean up our backyard thru insane regulations, have pushed that shit overseas into third world nations to deal with. All that single use plastic shit we think we are recycling? Naaaah, ship it to chyna. Now they dont want it and we just throw it in a landfill somewhere. Plastics recycling is such a scam. We should just burn it for energy. |
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I'm too old for this s$%&
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I don’t like making plans for the day. Because then the word "premeditated" gets thrown around in the courtroom.
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Originally Posted By WoodHeat: China figured that out when they were taking the zero sort recycling from western countries. Now they still get paid to take it, but it seems that most of it is ending up in landfills, at least according to what I've read recently. It's hard to know what's true. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By WoodHeat: Originally Posted By HiFlow: Originally Posted By Genin: If there really were islands of plastic, someone would figure out a cost effective way to harvest it and make money off it. There is NO MONEY IN IT. Thats why its a problem. We were and still are being LIED to about plastics ease of recyclability. China figured that out when they were taking the zero sort recycling from western countries. Now they still get paid to take it, but it seems that most of it is ending up in landfills, at least according to what I've read recently. It's hard to know what's true. Last I heard China started refusing our bulk plastic waste and now its basically all going into our local landfills. |
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Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: Plastics recycling is such a scam. We should just burn it for energy. View Quote We could and probably should but the enviro wackos wont ever let that happen! We are fucked either way because they pushed us away from fully recyclable materials, now the entire globe is dependent on single use plastics/styrofoam. Corporate entities are so greed fucked and we as a society want cheap/fast/ consumable products we are fucked till we can break the loop of stupidity. |
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Originally Posted By Chisum: Clean-up creates jobs. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Chisum: Originally Posted By AeroE: Poor nations full of poverty can't spend money on anything but their elite class running the countries affairs. The elite seldom see the consequences from their walled enclaves and don't care when they do. The only way to get their attention is by taking their comfortable lives away. After a while a new bunch of thugs takes over. The common citizens can't, and won't, be educated about the consequences, they're occupied by simply surviving day to day. The don't care, and won't understand whether their practices and pollution make their condition worse. Clean-up creates jobs. Their home nations can't or won't pay for the work. That's another parasite on US spending. Laundered through the UN. Since no one is interested, this video lays out work to remove plastic from the ocean and capture it in rivers before the ocean - The Ocean Cleanup Reveals Plan to Clear the Great Pacific Garbage Patch Compact plastics entering the ocean sink within a week or so. I suppose that's no worse than tires or bombs or ships. That plastic won't be recovered except accidentally or by recreational divers in shallow water and in inconsequential quantities. There's a conservation area across the levee from the Mississippi near where I live that is full of trash from the river to a point it suppresses under story growth. There's a heavy enough distribution all along the river. At best it's ugly. |
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Originally Posted By Nehi: This looks fake AF. Scam View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Nehi: Originally Posted By HiFlow: 45 TONS of trash in one single deployment of surface skimming. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8drUT_cZy8 This looks fake AF. Scam Ocean Cleanup has real demonstration and feasibility projects filling real barges. |
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Who remembers when Acid Rain was all the rage
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Originally Posted By Nehi: This looks fake AF. Scam View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Nehi: Originally Posted By HiFlow: 45 TONS of trash in one single deployment of surface skimming. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8drUT_cZy8 This looks fake AF. Scam If you think this looks fake AF and a scam you got some serious issues. |
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Originally Posted By AeroE: Ocean Cleanup has real demonstration and feasibility projects filling real barges. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By AeroE: Originally Posted By Nehi: Originally Posted By HiFlow: 45 TONS of trash in one single deployment of surface skimming. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8drUT_cZy8 This looks fake AF. Scam Ocean Cleanup has real demonstration and feasibility projects filling real barges. You're far too trusting. |
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Originally Posted By Nehi: You're far too trusting. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Nehi: Originally Posted By AeroE: Originally Posted By Nehi: Originally Posted By HiFlow: 45 TONS of trash in one single deployment of surface skimming. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8drUT_cZy8 This looks fake AF. Scam Ocean Cleanup has real demonstration and feasibility projects filling real barges. You're far too trusting. I'm not infected with the idiocy that runs rampant through this forum. There's no profit in their work, I expect US taxpayers will eventually get the bill . |
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Originally Posted By HiFlow: 45 TONS of trash in one single deployment of surface skimming. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8drUT_cZy8 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By HiFlow: Originally Posted By Chisum: Of course, we were lied to. The real concern is the number of people who sucked it up without doing their homework. It was easy to disprove. Use Google Maps and you find it never showed up on Satelite no matter how close you zoomed in. Any object of any meaningful size would be super easy to spot. 45 TONS of trash in one single deployment of surface skimming. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8drUT_cZy8 I've been dubious of the great garbage patch for years so when the above video came out i did an estimate of the amount of fuel used to collect that 45 tons of plastic. Add in the cost to operate the 2 ships and its likely an absurd amount of money spent. As others have pointed out, Asia dumps a lot of their trash in the nearest water way (beware of those beaches in thailand that look good in advertisements ) and plastic recycling isn't really a thing yet. I think maybe the best strategy is to make plastic or some types of plastic products come with a recycling fee. This will incentivize people and especially the homeless to collect it and then we could store/sequester it until such time the technology exists that enables cost effective recycling. The one good thing the virtue signalers in the video did IMO is install some screening mechanism on one or more streams/rivers in Asia. That's a step in the right direction but it begs the question, why don't Asians care about pollution? |
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