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CO, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 8:39:25 AM EDT
We won a victory in Colorado killing the assault weapons ban but something was brought to my attention the gun community should do more to speak out against. Influencers.
We ran into this in 2013 with the recalls. Everyone was telling us "You can't win you can't win. " and that was from both sides of the aisle. Now the same voices are there they have just changed. There are certain guntubers who came out repeatedly and said "You can't fight this. The ban will pass etc etc. This is one of those channels below.  Colorado's Assault Weapons Ban Is Coming & Why You Need To Stock Up ASAP So while some may think they help....They actually hinder. And then you have guys like Brandon Herrera who while he may not be everyone's cup of tea showed a set and showed up when it counted and actually made the committee look like a bunch of idiots. Not all Guntubers are the enemy but there are some that are in it for sales and views. Just food for thought. Don't let anyone tell you it can't be done. We have a God given right to resist. We only lose that right if we don't use it. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 8:40:25 AM EDT
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Didn't they just pass more gun control in CO?
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CO, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 8:46:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Southernman077: Didn't they just pass more gun control in CO? Never stop fighting. I kept hearing about how the ban will pass. I know colorado politics deeply. I got involved in 2013. There's a whole other side to our state people don't see. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 8:48:14 AM EDT
[#3]
"Influencers"
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Posted: 5/7/2024 8:50:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LongTrang: "Influencers" The fact that it exists as a viable career field is cringeworthy, but that is exactly what they do. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 8:53:36 AM EDT
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"Influencers" are just third-tier internet wannabes who will say anything for a click.
The brace issue is another example of them making things as confusing as fuck for anyone looking for info. They are a net drag overall. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 8:53:58 AM EDT
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I have a channel with a series I JUST started that lives to keep guntubers accountable. I just did one on legally armed America for his stance on teacher carry.
With that said, mrgunsngear is a friend to the 2a. He does qualify this as a "probability", but he also brings attention to the 2a aspect of it all instead of just the written words on paper. I haven't seen him do anything that needs calling out, including the video in op. Keep scrutinizing though, I will certainly call him or any other guntuber out when they are damaging to the 2a. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 8:54:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmnoid77: The fact that it exists as a viable career field is cringeworthy, but that is exactly what they do. agreed, i saw something the other day where a bunch of kids were interviewed about what they wanted to be when they grew up, a top answer was influencer 
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IN, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 8:55:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Burnsy]
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LongTrang: "Influencers" They are not at all employees of the company. In that they are not on the payroll, but they hold such power to influence customers that the developing company recognizes that they must at consider the influence, offer them a channel of communication to the company, consider their feedback and perhaps form a partnership with them. In this way, they absolutely influence their viewers, the direction of the product and in some cases the company. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 8:58:09 AM EDT
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He’s an attention whore, but so are a lot of other guntubers.
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Posted: 5/7/2024 8:58:25 AM EDT
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Social media personalities are almost never our ‘friends’. They’re salespeople. They do not have your best interests in mind.
This applies to virtually every area of life. Not just gun stuff. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 8:59:04 AM EDT
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I predict a 5 page long YouTube gun channel hate fest.
Did I make it in before the anti-Hickock45 guys / persons / theys / thems? |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 8:59:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: FoxValleyTacDriver]
[#12]
I didn't watch the video yet but Mike's channel is promoting 2A and bringing awareness to what current legislation is passing, as well as directing people towards organizations like GOA to help combat the legislation. He used to be a member here, haven't seen him post in a while though.
So what did he do that was wrong exactly? Why is making people aware of anti-2A legislation and directing people to GOA/FPC/NAGR a bad thing? What advocacy have you done for the 2A? |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:00:23 AM EDT
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I don't disagree at all. I guess it's my own personal problem with the word and what it entails. I have the same problem with the media using the word "elites". Like these people are somehow our overlords and know better. I guess for most, they are. I suppose I'm not quite ready to comply just yet.
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:00:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bikedamon: "Influencers" are just third-tier internet wannabes who will say anything for a click. The brace issue is another example of them making things as confusing as fuck for anyone looking for info. They are a net drag overall. We haven’t moved an inch beyond this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_oil |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:00:35 AM EDT
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It has less to do with influencers than the party control of the state.
Washington State In 32 years, WA has been completely run by the Democrats 18 times. And with how most state politicians are beholden to Democratic-leaning voters (read: donors), most Republicans won't stand up and fight for the citizens. That's how we ended up with private gun sales requiring background checks and extended waiting periods, removing the CPL exemption. Every anti-gun legislation I opposed in the last 10-12 years I wrote to my elected representatives and the bill sponsor(s). I always got a form letter response that clearly outlined what they planned to do, regardless of how their constituents leaned on the subject. Surprise, it was an expository "I support the 2A, BUT" letter. Even the public testimonies were stacked for the anti-gun crowd. 300-400 people willing to testify for rights being stripped away, 2000 to testify to keep our rights. On the day of testimonies, the airtime was dominated by antis. I think a few years ago they didn't even let the pro-gun audience testify. So it's not the influencers. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:02:25 AM EDT
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If anything the gloom and doom videos actually made me more determined to help get this bill killed.
Part of the reason I love this state like I do. Everyone just sees Denver and Boulder almost the whole state thinks drastically different than those in that area. Our problem is we don't fight hard enough. I've left local republican meetings damn near screaming because they already made up their mind it's an uphill battle. I'm a former Democrat. I switched parties because I believe in a lot of aspects of Conservatism. Not all but most. The CO republican party makes me sick. It's Grass roots activism in this state that can move mountains if enough get behind and push. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:03:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: saigamanTX]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FoxValleyTacDriver: I didn't watch the video but Mike's entire channel is promoting 2A and bringing awareness to what current legislation is passing, as well as directing people towards organizations like GOA to help combat the legislation. He used to be a member here, haven't seen him post in a while though. So what did he do that was wrong exactly? Why is making people aware of anti-2A legislation and directing people to GOA/FPC/NAGR a bad thing? What advocacy have you done for the 2A? Talking like the bill was law before it even made it through the house. Colorado is not CA or Washington State or NY. CO has more layers than people realize. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:04:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BuckeyeRifleman]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By arowneragain: Social media personalities are almost never our ‘friends’. They’re salespeople. They do not have your best interests in mind. This applies to virtually every area of life. Not just gun stuff. Right wing media is the quintessential example of this. It’s outrage porn, pure and simple. They get you riled up and angry but never give you an outlet or call to action. There is never a message at the end to write your reps or vote with your wallet. They want the left to keep doing the things they are doing, because that means clicks and views, and clicks and views = $$$. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:05:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By saigamanTX: I'm a former Democrat. I switched parties because I believe in a lot of aspects of Conservatism. Not all but most.  |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:06:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmnoid77: The fact that it exists as a viable career field is cringeworthy, but that is exactly what they do. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmnoid77: Originally Posted By LongTrang: "Influencers" The fact that it exists as a viable career field is cringeworthy, but that is exactly what they do. Best job I ever had. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:06:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HungLo: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-mc98s2Yh49I/UDAp0LGqs2I/AAAAAAAAAIY/hyZHj5ja4sw/s1600/interdasting.jpg We've either gone independent or joined the GOP. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:10:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: FoxValleyTacDriver]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By saigamanTX: Defeatist. Talking like the bill was law before it even made it through the house. Colorado is not CA or Washington State or NY. CO has more layers than people realize. He explained why he thought it would pass. Colorado has a Democrat super-majority in the house and senate. The appelate court is also stacked with anti gun judges. Most of the lawsuits for 2a, like the brace and bumpstock, get tied up for years in the court system. I think most people expected that to be the case here. He was laying the law out and explaining the implications it could have and how it could affect you if it does. He then follows that up by providing ways people can get engaged and involved to fight legislation like this. Getting involved with gun rights advocacy groups. At no point has he ever told people not to fight. How is that Defeatist? |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:14:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FoxValleyTacDriver: He explained why he thought it would pass. Colorado has a large Democrat majority in the house and senate. The appelate court is also stacked with anti gun judges. Most of the lawsuits for 2a, like the brace and bumpstock, get tied up for years in the court system. I think most people expected that to be the case here. He was laying the law out and explaining the inplications it could have and how it could affect you if it does. He then follows that up by providing ways people can get engaged and involved to fight legislation like this. Getting involved with gun rights advocacy groups How is that Defeatist? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:14:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alnen123: I have a channel with a series I JUST started that lives to keep guntubers accountable. I just did one on legally armed America for his stance on teacher carry. With that said, mrgunsngear is a friend to the 2a. He does qualify this as a "probability", but he also brings attention to the 2a aspect of it all instead of just the written words on paper. I haven't seen him do anything that needs calling out, including the video in op. Keep scrutinizing though, I will certainly call him or any other guntuber out when they are damaging to the 2a. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:15:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LawyerUp: Best job I ever had. You’re actually qualified to do it though. The vast vast majority of ‘influencers’ are just saleswhores. You’re an attorney. All joking about the legal professions aside, you’ve earned your platform. There’s a huge contrast between that and ‘hey I’ll show you my butt, oh also you should buy this overpriced energy drink’. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:18:48 AM EDT
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Op where did Mrgunsngear touch you?
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CO, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:18:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By arowneragain: You're actually qualified to do it though. The vast vast majority of 'influencers' are just saleswhores. You're an attorney. All joking about the legal professions aside, you've earned your platform. There's a huge contrast between that and 'hey I'll show you my butt, oh also you should buy this overpriced energy drink'. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:20:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bossco14: Op where did Mrgunsngear touch you? I like the dude but he jumped the shark . A few others did as well. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:21:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By saigamanTX: Never rule Colorado out. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By saigamanTX: Originally Posted By FoxValleyTacDriver: He explained why he thought it would pass. Colorado has a large Democrat majority in the house and senate. The appelate court is also stacked with anti gun judges. Most of the lawsuits for 2a, like the brace and bumpstock, get tied up for years in the court system. I think most people expected that to be the case here. He was laying the law out and explaining the inplications it could have and how it could affect you if it does. He then follows that up by providing ways people can get engaged and involved to fight legislation like this. Getting involved with gun rights advocacy groups How is that Defeatist? I am pretty sure CO is behind enemy lines now. Same as IL ruled by Chicago. Sorry OP. You should change your name to saigamanCO.
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:27:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By arowneragain: You’re actually qualified to do it though. The vast vast majority of ‘influencers’ are just saleswhores. You’re an attorney. All joking about the legal professions aside, you’ve earned your platform. There’s a huge contrast between that and ‘hey I’ll show you my butt, oh also you should buy this overpriced energy drink’. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By arowneragain: Originally Posted By LawyerUp: Best job I ever had. You’re actually qualified to do it though. The vast vast majority of ‘influencers’ are just saleswhores. You’re an attorney. All joking about the legal professions aside, you’ve earned your platform. There’s a huge contrast between that and ‘hey I’ll show you my butt, oh also you should buy this overpriced energy drink’. It's tempting to take the money for these things. I had to cut back to maybe two per month, and then choose things that wouldn't piss of my audience. Which means things I actually like and use myself. In reality, practicing law is mostly you don't turn down unpopular cases that pay well. In the content creator business, whoring something your audience doesn't like really hurts your credibility. In the practice of law, nobody blinks at the reality that you are there to make money. With influencer stuff, it's like how dare you earn money, lol. With the gun tubers, the platforms have throttled them, so the brand deals I would think are a large share of the revenue. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:31:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: FoxValleyTacDriver]
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By saigamanTX: Defeatist. Talking like the bill was law before it even made it through the house. Colorado is not CA or Washington State or NY. CO has more layers than people realize. I am not advocating that anyone give up fighting ever. But people should be aware that Colorado's house has 65 representatives. 45 of them are Democrat If a bill gets to the house, in order for it to be shot down, 14 of them are going to have to vote against it. Do you believe that will happen? And if so what are the names of the 14 democrats you believe will change sides? I know the bill didn't make it, I'm just saying based on that info I think he was justified in his opinion. Important to remember with that super majority they will likely try again. Which should motivate people to do something about it. Especially during an election year. It's not being Defeatist it's just being prepared. Get out and fight it. Stay informed on current legislation by watching people like Mike who track it. Also if you aren't donating to GOA/FPC/NAGR and you're involved in this conversation you are a hypocrit. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:32:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LawyerUp: It's tempting to take the money for these things. I had to cut back to maybe two per month, and then choose things that wouldn't piss of my audience. Which means things I actually like and use myself. In reality, practicing law is mostly you don't turn down unpopular cases that pay well. In the content creator business, whoring something your audience doesn't like really hurts your credibility. In the practice of law, nobody blinks at the reality that you are there to make money. With influencer stuff, it's like how dare you earn money, lol. With the gun tubers, the platforms have throttled them, so the brand deals I would think are a large share of the revenue. You've highlighted the problem. To establish profitability, you need to build an audience. To sustain profits, you need to tell your audience what they want to hear. Welcome to modern media. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:33:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Shootindave]
[#33]
Youtube has the ability to create significant revenue stream for people.
People have the responsibility to determine for themselves why they are being presented information. They don’t always have the ability. The worst “guntuber” is better than anything offered on legacy TV and better than any Fudd allowed to publish in magazine publications. I think OP called out one of the good ones. FWIW |
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USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:34:00 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bossco14: Op where did Mrgunsngear touch you? Has Mrgunsngear lost a subscriber? |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:35:12 AM EDT
[#35]
So who do you listen to? The endless doomers on here?
The world of social media is like everything else there's a lot of opinions a lot of Truth and a lot of lies you can't apply a blanket here. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:38:54 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By saigamanTX: If anything the gloom and doom videos actually made me more determined to help get this bill killed. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:39:14 AM EDT
[#37]
There's a lot of influencers I don't watch. Like most of them.
I DO think it's important to get the word out about stuff like the Colorado AW Ban and painting it with it's realistic chances of passing can serve as a catalyst to get people stirred up. With their constituents riled up, some politicians will fold on legislation, especially if they think it's going to hurt their re-election chances. I don't watch Herrera very often, but I DO follow him on X and am closely following his bid to win a seat in Texas congress. He's been walking the walk and is running against a guy for whom the term "RINO" seems generous. I'm completely on-board with his campaign. I wish I could vote for the guy. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:39:49 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LongTrang: "Influencers" We used to call them salesmen |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:40:49 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LawyerUp: It's tempting to take the money for these things. I had to cut back to maybe two per month, and then choose things that wouldn't piss of my audience. Which means things I actually like and use myself. In reality, practicing law is mostly you don't turn down unpopular cases that pay well. In the content creator business, whoring something your audience doesn't like really hurts your credibility. In the practice of law, nobody blinks at the reality that you are there to make money. With influencer stuff, it's like how dare you earn money, lol. With the gun tubers, the platforms have throttled them, so the brand deals I would think are a large share of the revenue. This, I don’t understand the hatred for the ‘business model.’ Let’s face it, it’s part entertainment, part education and part salesman. So what? At the end of the day all these influencers are a net positive for the 2A getting more and more people into guns. That undermines the gun grabbers agenda. Some of you get bent over some of the dumbest of things. Don’t like it, no one forces you to watch. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:43:12 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ATLDiver: This, I don't understand the hatred for the 'business model.' Let's face it, it's part entertainment, part education and part salesman. So what? At the end of the day all these influencers are a net positive for the 2A getting more and more people into guns. That undermines the gun grabbers agenda. Some of you get bent over some of the dumbest of things. Don't like it, no one forces you to watch. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:49:01 AM EDT
[#41]
Originally Posted By saigamanTX: Not all Guntubers are the enemy but there are some that are in it for sales and views. All guntubers are in it for sales, views and clicks. Without exception Doesn’t mean they also may be 2A supporters but their primary function is profiting. Nothing wrong with it. Just keep it mind. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:50:54 AM EDT
[#42]
Mr GNG brings a lot of 2a infringements to my attention that I wouldn't probably hear about otherwise and helps point out how to try to fight them.
This seems more like a Colorado pride thing since you think he wrote you guys off. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:53:45 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LongTrang: "Influencers" We used to call them con artists and scammers. We made them respectable and legitimate by calling them Influencers. I refuse to consider them respectable when they don't disclose who is paying them to BS us.. |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:55:22 AM EDT
[#44]
Controlled opposition is a thing. Be wary of people who come out of the woodwork with almost instant success.
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:56:33 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Burnsy: I now do not watch any of them and I don't agree with lots of things that lots of them say. The reality is though I owe part of my interest, education and gun ownership to youtubers. I wouldn't be here or be voting at all, without them. That’s my point, video games also has some net positive influence on converting people. To my knowledge no one is forced to watch gun-tubers and while some of them are cringey, they provide a valuable service. I doubt we’d have Constitutional Carry in so many states as we do today without the influence of strong 2A supporters. Places like Co, NY, NJ, CA, WA, etc is precisely what the left desires to do nationwide. The political realities in those states allow them to do what they’re doing and we have to be honest about the political landscape. The topic of Abortion springs to mind but that’s another subject all together. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:57:13 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ATLDiver: This, I don’t understand the hatred for the ‘business model.’ Let’s face it, it’s part entertainment, part education and part salesman. So what? At the end of the day all these influencers are a net positive for the 2A getting more and more people into guns. That undermines the gun grabbers agenda. Some of you get bent over some of the dumbest of things. Don’t like it, no one forces you to watch. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ATLDiver: Originally Posted By LawyerUp: It's tempting to take the money for these things. I had to cut back to maybe two per month, and then choose things that wouldn't piss of my audience. Which means things I actually like and use myself. In reality, practicing law is mostly you don't turn down unpopular cases that pay well. In the content creator business, whoring something your audience doesn't like really hurts your credibility. In the practice of law, nobody blinks at the reality that you are there to make money. With influencer stuff, it's like how dare you earn money, lol. With the gun tubers, the platforms have throttled them, so the brand deals I would think are a large share of the revenue. This, I don’t understand the hatred for the ‘business model.’ Let’s face it, it’s part entertainment, part education and part salesman. So what? At the end of the day all these influencers are a net positive for the 2A getting more and more people into guns. That undermines the gun grabbers agenda. Some of you get bent over some of the dumbest of things. Don’t like it, no one forces you to watch. The brand deals are a way around the platforms censorship as well. You can make a demonetized video, privately financed with a third party brand deal. The problem is then that YouTube throttles you in the algorithm if the video is demonetized. But that's a good reason to support the brands willing to support conservative or 2A channels. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:57:53 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JaredC1: All guntubers are in it for sales, views and clicks. Without exception Doesn’t mean they also may be 2A supporters but their primary function is profiting. Nothing wrong with it. Just keep it mind. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JaredC1: Originally Posted By saigamanTX: Not all Guntubers are the enemy but there are some that are in it for sales and views. All guntubers are in it for sales, views and clicks. Without exception Doesn’t mean they also may be 2A supporters but their primary function is profiting. Nothing wrong with it. Just keep it mind. Objectively not true. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:58:44 AM EDT
[#48]
His video will probably inform more of the youtube generation of whats happening than all the huffing and puffing on ARF combined. And a few more ARs in their hands will generally be a good thing long term.
I would have preferred a contact the legislature links, at least he mentioned donating to fight this even if it was RMGO (but who in state is better?). But the wide spread complacency that it won't pass will deter more people than the doom forcast. Colorado is screwed because too many people didn't vote R untill the D-bags came after something they cared about. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:59:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Chisum]
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bikedamon: "Influencers" are just third-tier internet wannabes who will say anything for a click. The brace issue is another example of them making things as confusing as fuck for anyone looking for info. They are a net drag overall. Don't make the mistake of thinking they live in our world, they don't. Even on GD, we have professional Influencers who push agendas. For 30 pieces of silver, they would sell us out. I don't trust anyone who shines Putin's or Xi's boots and then waves the US flag. There is nothing right about that picture. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 10:06:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: rhill]
[#50]
How many GD posters are "blackpilled" types who routinely post "voting doesn't matter" or "if voting mattered they wouldn't let us do it" or other similar stuff?
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