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Posted: 9/11/2019 7:48:40 AM EDT
Bought it at a bankruptcy forced auction back in 1999; as per Swiss law the auction was organized by the local police, as you need a permit for all weapons, and a special permit for full-auto weapons. I have a second magazine and the original box too (though cardboard, not worth showing). Needless to say I was ecstatic to acquire it, and still very happy to have it in my collection.













Link Posted: 9/11/2019 7:49:43 AM EDT
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Actually I can share the story of how this Beretta 93 R came in my possession.

So back in June 1999, a good friend and shooting buddy sends me a fax (yes a TELEFAX) with the copy of a newspaper ad for a forced auction after a private bankruptcy.



I wrote to the bankruptcy office and asked for a detailed list of the guns offered for sale.



When I saw the Beretta 93 R, having already a 92 F from 1986 which I adored (and still have), I knew I should try to buy it.

I asked the LGS what price would be reasonable, in order words where do I stop bidding. He told me that the normal value was abt. 1000.- Swiss francs (abt 670.- $ back then), but that would have been if you could have bought one new from Beretta. However they sold in very limited quantities, mostly to police and/or counter terrorism forces, and only in batches (like 10 guns or so).

So finding one in the private market was extremely rare and a price of upto 3000.- Swiss francs (2000.- $) would be reasonable. I went to the bank and created a dent in my savings account, took 3 grand out.

Despite the listing number, they sold the special objects (full auto) last (the Beretta 12 MG, the 93 R and the 1928 A1 Thompson). It was the main event.

At first Tom Dick and Harry were happily bidding, increments of CHF 100.-. After a while, nearing two grand we were only two left truly interested in this gun (others were saving their pennies for the Tommy gun or spent them on the 12 MG). We kept increasing by 100.-, 2200, 2300, 2400, when the other guy showed he was running out of oxygen: he started bidding by 5.- increments, like 2405.-. So I kept increasing by 100.- to discourage him. At 2605 I decided to slow down, offered 2650.- (US$ 1770.-). He gave up, lot number 37 was mine. :D



Recently I saw three being sold locally at abt. 5000.- CHF (about the same in US$ today). Another LGS sold one for 6'000.- a couple of years ago.
Link Posted: 9/11/2019 7:51:38 AM EDT
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A few more recent / better pictures













And I dug out the original box







Link Posted: 9/11/2019 7:57:35 AM EDT
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that
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awesome...

Link Posted: 9/11/2019 8:01:19 AM EDT
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Beautiful little machine-pistol. Do any concerns exist with EU regs being forced upon Switzerland which could put owning such a cool little gun at risk?
Link Posted: 9/11/2019 8:04:24 AM EDT
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No kidding! That thing is amazing!
Link Posted: 9/11/2019 8:11:54 AM EDT
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That is cool!
Link Posted: 9/11/2019 8:12:15 AM EDT
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It is not very clear. Currently there is no threat, and Switzerland does not have a story of confiscation, or “buy back”.

However EU regulation call for a review of gun laws every 5 years so there is always a risk.
Link Posted: 9/11/2019 8:21:33 AM EDT
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Is it DA/SA, or SA only due to the FA mechanism?  That trigger looks to be set back pretty far while the hammer is still down.

Also that's incredibly cool.  How well does it shoot?
Link Posted: 9/11/2019 8:35:55 AM EDT
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I just came. Repeatedly. I'd give anything to have one of those.
Link Posted: 9/11/2019 8:45:22 AM EDT
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Op wins internet today.  Very cool!  I didn't know Mack Bolan was a member here, just kidding.
Link Posted: 9/11/2019 8:46:02 AM EDT
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Also that's incredibly cool.  How well does it shoot?
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SA only. In semi auto it’s similar to a 92, a bit heavier and with a stiffer trigger. In full, it’s a blast, literally. Mag is 20 rds and with one in the chamber you have 7 bursts of 3 shots at a very high cycling rate.
Link Posted: 9/11/2019 8:47:52 AM EDT
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Such an awesome pistol op. Seriously I’m so jealous. How does it shoot?
Link Posted: 9/11/2019 8:48:20 AM EDT
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Very nice Beretta! Thank you for sharing!
Link Posted: 9/11/2019 8:53:47 AM EDT
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I understood that reference......
Link Posted: 9/11/2019 9:10:49 AM EDT
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That's awesome! Thanks for sharing!
Link Posted: 9/11/2019 9:23:37 AM EDT
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I feel like I should hate you..... but I don't.
Link Posted: 9/11/2019 9:30:18 AM EDT
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I understood that reference......
I used to have all of them as they came out.  Bought first one out and stopped buying a couple years after offshoots came out.
had a few Death Merchant and Remo Williams  The Destroyer books too.  It took me a day to read one if I didn't have work on farm.
Link Posted: 9/11/2019 10:03:43 AM EDT
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I get that a lot these days ... same when I posted my M16A1 and XM177E2
Link Posted: 9/11/2019 10:06:09 AM EDT
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One of my favorite firearms of all time. Nice score.
Link Posted: 9/11/2019 10:15:55 AM EDT
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all these great pictures and no damn video of you shooting it!

VIDEO SIR, WE NEED VIDEO!
Link Posted: 9/11/2019 10:25:29 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/11/2019 1:24:57 PM EDT
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Great photos!  I will admit to being super jealous, more so for the 93R than your other recent FA posts.  
Link Posted: 9/11/2019 7:03:39 PM EDT
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OP...I am available for adoption.

18Z50
Link Posted: 9/11/2019 7:57:14 PM EDT
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Possibly THE sexiest gun I've ever seen.  
Link Posted: 9/11/2019 10:00:17 PM EDT
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That is one gorgeous gun

Man id give my left nut for one of those
Link Posted: 9/12/2019 1:02:57 AM EDT
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Damn is that nice!!!
Link Posted: 9/15/2019 3:14:39 AM EDT
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I would love to have one of these. Awesome, OP
Link Posted: 9/15/2019 4:57:47 PM EDT
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I am definitely Jelly...……………….those are sweet guns
Link Posted: 9/15/2019 5:02:16 PM EDT
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Such an awesome pistol op. Seriously I’m so jealous. How does it shoot?
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Well it’s fast, a bit frantic, but the three shots burst makes it somewhat controllable... at a short distance
Link Posted: 9/15/2019 5:02:54 PM EDT
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all these great pictures and no damn video of you shooting it!

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I’ll work on that
Link Posted: 9/15/2019 5:04:09 PM EDT
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I’ll keep it in mind, when I get bored of my two adult kids and my two adult kids in law
Link Posted: 9/15/2019 5:10:34 PM EDT
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I might be out of line here, but can you take a photo and explain the internal workings of the burst mechanism ? how did they make it 3 round instead of simply full auto like the glock 18? is the burst function like the m16a4 where you can get 1, 2 , or 3 depending on if you fired the full burst the trigger squeeze before.
Link Posted: 9/15/2019 5:24:22 PM EDT
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Very nice and thank you for posting. Where do you get to shoot it at? Regular shooting range?
Link Posted: 9/15/2019 5:35:29 PM EDT
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I might be out of line here, but can you take a photo and explain the internal workings of the burst mechanism ? how did they make it 3 round instead of simply full auto like the glock 18? is the burst function like the m16a4 where you can get 1, 2 , or 3 depending on if you fired the full burst the trigger squeeze before.
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Here is a video showing the mechanism, you see the part with three notches starting at 0:50

How does Beretta 93r work? (burst mode is included)


Attachment Attached File


And here’s LV’s video on it

Link Posted: 9/15/2019 5:37:24 PM EDT
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Regular shooting range but after office hours, I rent the range for an hour or so. I also need a permit from the bureau of arms to shoot full auto.
Link Posted: 9/16/2019 10:20:34 AM EDT
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This post made my day. Thanks for sharing!
Link Posted: 9/16/2019 10:28:54 AM EDT
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Braggart!!!!

Just kidding, that's AWESOME!
Link Posted: 9/16/2019 10:31:46 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/16/2019 10:35:49 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/16/2019 11:17:03 AM EDT
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Awesome. How easy is the stock to attach? Is it something that can be done on the fly?
Link Posted: 9/16/2019 3:59:51 PM EDT
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Very easy, the large pin on the stock goes in the hole at the bottom of the MSH, and then just push the latch forward into the notch on the back of the grip.
Link Posted: 9/16/2019 4:08:18 PM EDT
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Cool thanks.
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 5:35:07 PM EDT
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Thank you for posting pictures of such a beautiful gun.

I wish Beretta would make a "Retro" Semi clone of it. where it has a tailhook mod 1 brace instead of a stock
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 7:47:55 PM EDT
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how is recoil/accuracy on auto? does it work like in the video games where the first is center mass, second is high chest, 3rd is neck/head? or more like a glock 18 where "keep it on  target... hopefully"
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 7:57:02 PM EDT
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Watch the Larry Vickers vid it’s pretty cool. Looks like it climbs but he is able to make some decent hits. If he could get a decent cheek weld it would be better I’m sure.
Link Posted: 9/17/2019 8:07:13 PM EDT
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Dude, you so win. So very fucking win.

I am immensely impressed.
Link Posted: 9/18/2019 12:27:50 AM EDT
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where do you shoot this in Switzerland, I had read on multiple occasions you can own full auto weapons but not shoot them, at least on a public range.  I assume militia service weapons are exempt.
Link Posted: 9/18/2019 6:50:46 PM EDT
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I get that a lot these days ... same when I posted my M16A1 and XM177E2
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I get that a lot these days ... same when I posted my M16A1 and XM177E2
So two more reasons to hate you, or did you get a Glock 18 to go with it too?

Seriously though, that looks like a lot of fun. Expensive fun. Can a regular Beretta 92 barrel fit a 93?
Link Posted: 9/18/2019 7:13:00 PM EDT
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If the 86 MG ban ever goes away that will be on my short list of things to buy.
Link Posted: 9/19/2019 9:40:20 AM EDT
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1st in the crotch area, 2nd in the head (hopefully) and third in the ceiling ...

More seriously it depends of the distance, whether you use the stock or shoot offhand, and it takes a little practice, but the three shots can stay on a silhouette target at 20 yards.
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