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Posted: 12/1/2015 8:13:18 PM EDT
My wife is interested in buying a small handgun for personal defense, just looking for suggestions guns that might work for her. She is small, 5'2" 115lbs and has only fired a gun a few times. She has held a Smith and Wesson Shield and seemed to like it. She will carry it in her purse most of the time.
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Ruger LCR in 22 magnum or .38 special. The simplicity of a snubnose double action revolver would be better for someone who doesnt plan to shoot it regularly and for some reason most people find a revolver to be a safer carry choice than a semi with a round chambered.
The 22mag will have enough of a punch to be efective without being to much of a kick for her and being a revolver if the rimfire doesnt fire just keep pulling the trigger, but cci 22 magnum would more than likely never fail her. the .38 special would be better but not necessary! just my .02 also what ive come up with for my wife who is 5' 100lbs and doesn't enjoy shooting anything other than a 22. |
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Why does her stature matter if she's carrying it in a purse? I wish there would a thread started where it read, "First handgun for husband". Proceeded by his dimensions and stature. You guys kill me on these forums, keep the laughs coming!??
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Smaller pistols are not normally easier to shoot. I have a shield and a full size m&p and the slide is a lot easier to manipulate on the full size pistol.
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My wife carries a LCR in 357, but keeps it loaded with 38's. she liked the 357 because it is built a little beefier and she has the option of shooting 357 too.
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Why does her stature matter if she's carrying it in a purse? I wish there would a thread started where it read, "First handgun for husband". Proceeded by his dimensions and stature. You guys kill me on these forums, keep the laughs coming!?? View Quote Usually because stature lends itself well towards discerning hand size. Hand size will dictate trigger reach and conformity to grip size. |
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Have her take a look at a 938 Sig. Its an easy gun to cycle the slide for most Women, typical Sig quality the only negative is its a small gun and she may find it a little snappy.
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Best bet, take all the opinions of the pistols you should buy your wife here and then go to a range that rents several of these models. Let your wife be the one to pick the gun out and what feels comfortable for her to shoot. Cause me personally, I've gotten many a good deals from guys who buy what they think their wife needs instead of what she can handle
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Quoted: Best bet, take all the opinions of the pistols you should buy your wife here and then go to a range that rents several of these models. Let your wife be the one to pick the gun out and what feels comfortable for her to shoot. Cause me personally, I've gotten many a good deals from guys who buy what they think their wife needs instead of what she can handle View Quote My GF doesn't like to shoot any of the smaller handguns, but really rocks a full size 1911 and P220. |
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Have her take a look at a 938 Sig. Its an easy gun to cycle the slide for most Women, typical Sig quality the only negative is its a small gun and she may find it a little snappy. Reminds me of these videos: https://youtu.be/jiCjWoCDeE8 https://youtu.be/A7nWBMIeIXI THE second video is a little long but very informative. The 42 is one of the softest shooting and most accurate little guns right out of the box I have ever handled and shot. |
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The right answer is the one that is of quality construction that she picks out and will carry every chance she is legally allowed.
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Not a gun person, shoots on occasion, Purse carry.
Revolvers are very simple and resistant to neglect Not saying she will abuse it but probably won't clean, train and like a gun nut Simple. Smith, Ruger in 38. Just pull it out point and shoot. No problems with limp writing, crud build up, stovepipes, rounds not extracting, bullet setback. Smith 642 is my choice. Double action and the mechanism is protected from lint/dirt |
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I would suggest a platform that offers a 22lr version and a 9mm or 38. M&P 22 and 9mm for example. Have her shoot the crap out of the 22, and have fun doing it. Then graduate to the 9mm.
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Ruger LCR in 22 magnum or .38 special. The simplicity of a snubnose double action revolver would be better for someone who doesnt plan to shoot it regularly and for some reason most people find a revolver to be a safer carry choice than a semi with a round chambered. The 22mag will have enough of a punch to be efective without being to much of a kick for her and being a revolver if the rimfire doesnt fire just keep pulling the trigger, but cci 22 magnum would more than likely never fail her. the .38 special would be better but not necessary! just my .02 also what ive come up with for my wife who is 5' 100lbs and doesn't enjoy shooting anything other than a 22. View Quote False. Pretty much all of it. Revolvers are an antiquated weapons for self defense. There. I said it. OP, as usual, FPNI. G43, Shield, and Sig 938 are all guns to have her shoot before buying. If recoil is an issue with those, the G42 and Sig 238 are next for her to try. Leave the Keltecs, Rugers,and Tauruses out of this category. My rental LC9 is broken about half the time. Do not think your opinion matters. I don't care how bad you want her to like the Glock, if she likes the Shield that's what she gets. I do this every single day, trust me. |
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Due to how difficult they are to shoot and can have uncomfortable recoil I would opt for an all steel snub. Much more comfortable to shoot and that will encourage more practice. Snubs are called expert guns for a reason. All the practice you can get is needed to be competent with one. Since purse carry allows a bigger heavier gun ( though I personally think purse carry is a horrible idea) even a six shot k frame would be a viable choice. Most women are unwilling to change how they dress to accommodate a gun so for many they see purse carry as a good choice. Many many practice draws out of a properly designed purse made to hold a gun is essential
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Also yes, purse carry is a terrible idea. Plenty of vids on YouTube by female shooters showing how you can still dress cute and wear a gun.
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Usually because stature lends itself well towards discerning hand size. Hand size will dictate trigger reach and conformity to grip size. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Why does her stature matter if she's carrying it in a purse? I wish there would a thread started where it read, "First handgun for husband". Proceeded by his dimensions and stature. You guys kill me on these forums, keep the laughs coming!?? Usually because stature lends itself well towards discerning hand size. Hand size will dictate trigger reach and conformity to grip size. Good try! Seen that MYTH discounted numerous times! |
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Why does her stature matter if she's carrying it in a purse? I wish there would a thread started where it read, "First handgun for husband". Proceeded by his dimensions and stature. You guys kill me on these forums, keep the laughs coming!?? Usually because stature lends itself well towards discerning hand size. Hand size will dictate trigger reach and conformity to grip size. Good try! Seen that MYTH discounted numerous times! This..... I am 6'1" 145# and I have dinner plates for hands. My neighbor who I shoot with often is a tank but has elf hands. You cannot group people by just a few parameters. The only right answer here is she needs to pick what is right for her. She may need guidance to stay away from X Y or Z brand but no one can ever just take a few bits of info and assume they know what someone will like or shoot well. |
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Has she tried carrying on body? Purse carry is fraught with problems.
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This..... I am 6'1" 145# and I have dinner plates for hands. My neighbor who I shoot with often is a tank but has elf hands. You cannot group people by just a few parameters. The only right answer here is she needs to pick what is right for her. She may need guidance to stay away from X Y or Z brand but no one can ever just take a few bits of info and assume they know what someone will like or shoot well. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Why does her stature matter if she's carrying it in a purse? I wish there would a thread started where it read, "First handgun for husband". Proceeded by his dimensions and stature. You guys kill me on these forums, keep the laughs coming!?? Usually because stature lends itself well towards discerning hand size. Hand size will dictate trigger reach and conformity to grip size. Good try! Seen that MYTH discounted numerous times! This..... I am 6'1" 145# and I have dinner plates for hands. My neighbor who I shoot with often is a tank but has elf hands. You cannot group people by just a few parameters. The only right answer here is she needs to pick what is right for her. She may need guidance to stay away from X Y or Z brand but no one can ever just take a few bits of info and assume they know what someone will like or shoot well. Never said it was the rule, merely stated as a usual indicator. Tall people typically have larger hands and feet, shorter people typically have smaller hands and feet. Doesn't mean it's always the case but more often than not it is. |
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Quoted: Has she tried carrying on body? Purse carry is fraught with problems. View Quote That, and I'd start with a local instructor instead of choosing a handgun for her this early. IMO, it's more important than what she (or you) think is "the right one" is. A decent instructor will let her try out different pistols/wheel-guns prior to the purchase. She'll find one that seems to feel/work best for her. |
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Has she tried carrying on body? Purse carry is fraught with problems. And has some tremendous advantages. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile So does not carrying at all, for that matter. My point is that on body is better. |
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False. Pretty much all of it. Revolvers are an antiquated weapons for self defense. There. I said it. OP, as usual, FPNI. G43, Shield, and Sig 938 are all guns to have her shoot before buying. If recoil is an issue with those, the G42 and Sig 238 are next for her to try. Leave the Keltecs, Rugers,and Tauruses out of this category. My rental LC9 is broken about half the time. Do not think your opinion matters. I don't care how bad you want her to like the Glock, if she likes the Shield that's what she gets. I do this every single day, trust me. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Ruger LCR in 22 magnum or .38 special. The simplicity of a snubnose double action revolver would be better for someone who doesnt plan to shoot it regularly and for some reason most people find a revolver to be a safer carry choice than a semi with a round chambered. The 22mag will have enough of a punch to be efective without being to much of a kick for her and being a revolver if the rimfire doesnt fire just keep pulling the trigger, but cci 22 magnum would more than likely never fail her. the .38 special would be better but not necessary! just my .02 also what ive come up with for my wife who is 5' 100lbs and doesn't enjoy shooting anything other than a 22. False. Pretty much all of it. Revolvers are an antiquated weapons for self defense. There. I said it. OP, as usual, FPNI. G43, Shield, and Sig 938 are all guns to have her shoot before buying. If recoil is an issue with those, the G42 and Sig 238 are next for her to try. Leave the Keltecs, Rugers,and Tauruses out of this category. My rental LC9 is broken about half the time. Do not think your opinion matters. I don't care how bad you want her to like the Glock, if she likes the Shield that's what she gets. I do this every single day, trust me. I highlighted your incorrect statement in red. Revolvers are extremely compact, lightweight and effective self defense options both against humans and animals. |
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So does not carrying at all, for that matter. My point is that on body is better. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: Has she tried carrying on body? Purse carry is fraught with problems. And has some tremendous advantages. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile So does not carrying at all, for that matter. My point is that on body is better. If you can conceal a Glock 17 on your person, great. If not, a Glock 17 in a purse w/ a wide cross strap may be a better option than a tiny, high-recoiling 9x19mm, or a small .380" that may be less effective. All firearms are compromises. Pistols have many more compromises than longguns. The smaller the handgun, the more compromises are made. All firearms are designed by men, for men, and womens' recoil tolerance tends to be less than that of men. The heavier the handgun in a given caliber, the less free recoil energy. Women carry a fashion accessory that can conceal an Uzi, which gives them the largest choice available of the most effective calibers in the least recoiling platforms. Should a woman choose to carry in her purse, her tradeoff is between her shoulder and her wrist - weight vs recoil. IF she chooses NOT to carry in her purse, her available effective selections become much smaller. YMMV - your bias towards on-person carry is well-known, but it should be a personal choice. I find women very often struggle to rack the slide of the smaller 9x19mm, but easily rack large ones. |
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Ultimately SHE needs to find one she will carry and will shoot. A gun that is carried but never shot is almost as bad as a gun that is shot but not carried.
Though on body carry has many advantages of purse carry, purse carry does not require the person to dress around a gun nor is there the fear of accidental exposure of the firearm depending on the woman's level of physical activity. |
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If you can conceal a Glock 17 on your person, great. If not, a Glock 17 in a purse w/ a wide cross strap may be a better option than a tiny, high-recoiling 9x19mm, or a small .380" that may be less effective. All firearms are compromises. Pistols have many more compromises than longguns. The smaller the handgun, the more compromises are made. All firearms are designed by men, for men, and womens' recoil tolerance tends to be less than that of men. The heavier the handgun in a given caliber, the less free recoil energy. Women carry a fashion accessory that can conceal an Uzi, which gives them the largest choice available of the most effective calibers in the least recoiling platforms. Should a woman choose to carry in her purse, her tradeoff is between her shoulder and her wrist - weight vs recoil. IF she chooses NOT to carry in her purse, her available effective selections become much smaller. YMMV - your bias towards on-person carry is well-known, but it should be a personal choice. I find women very often struggle to rack the slide of the smaller 9x19mm, but easily rack large ones. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: Has she tried carrying on body? Purse carry is fraught with problems. And has some tremendous advantages. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile So does not carrying at all, for that matter. My point is that on body is better. If you can conceal a Glock 17 on your person, great. If not, a Glock 17 in a purse w/ a wide cross strap may be a better option than a tiny, high-recoiling 9x19mm, or a small .380" that may be less effective. All firearms are compromises. Pistols have many more compromises than longguns. The smaller the handgun, the more compromises are made. All firearms are designed by men, for men, and womens' recoil tolerance tends to be less than that of men. The heavier the handgun in a given caliber, the less free recoil energy. Women carry a fashion accessory that can conceal an Uzi, which gives them the largest choice available of the most effective calibers in the least recoiling platforms. Should a woman choose to carry in her purse, her tradeoff is between her shoulder and her wrist - weight vs recoil. IF she chooses NOT to carry in her purse, her available effective selections become much smaller. YMMV - your bias towards on-person carry is well-known, but it should be a personal choice. I find women very often struggle to rack the slide of the smaller 9x19mm, but easily rack large ones. Please, tell me more about women and firearms, it's such an insight into something I know nothing about. I prefer a 380 I can retain control of than the G17 that I may not be able to get to or that someone else can get to (be it a bad guy or a child or a moron). A weapon in a purse is neither secure nor constantly accessible. Give me a mouse gun on my body. |
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Quoted: Please, tell me more about women and firearms, it's such an insight into something I know nothing about.
I prefer a 380 I can retain control of than the G17 that I may not be able to get to or that someone else can get to (be it a bad guy or a child or a moron). A weapon in a purse is neither secure nor constantly accessible. Give me a mouse gun on my body. View Quote Sure, carry a mouse gun on your person if you like. That a mouse gun on your person is the ONLY acceptable answer for women is clearly ridiculous when you can pack an Uzi in your purse. |
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Quoted: Agreed. That, and I'd start with a local instructor instead of choosing a handgun for her this early. IMO, it's more important than what she (or you) think is "the right one" is. A decent instructor will let her try out different pistols/wheel-guns prior to the purchase. She'll find one that seems to feel/work best for her. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Has she tried carrying on body? Purse carry is fraught with problems. That, and I'd start with a local instructor instead of choosing a handgun for her this early. IMO, it's more important than what she (or you) think is "the right one" is. A decent instructor will let her try out different pistols/wheel-guns prior to the purchase. She'll find one that seems to feel/work best for her. agreed .... be sure to thoroughly vett the Instructor as all instructors are not created equal. |
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Sure, carry a mouse gun on your person if you like. That a mouse gun on your person is the ONLY acceptable answer for women is clearly ridiculous when you can pack an Uzi in your purse. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I prefer a 380 I can retain control of than the G17 that I may not be able to get to or that someone else can get to (be it a bad guy or a child or a moron). A weapon in a purse is neither secure nor constantly accessible. Give me a mouse gun on my body. Sure, carry a mouse gun on your person if you like. That a mouse gun on your person is the ONLY acceptable answer for women is clearly ridiculous when you can pack an Uzi in your purse. Read my goddamn posts. Do you see how mildly I stated it? She has to figure out what she wants to do and she should be aware of both your argument and mine. Yes, it's my opinion that purse carry isn't an option. An UZI that can easily be taken from her and is hard to draw is inferior to a mouse gun she can maintain control of and draw easily. Hopefully, she'll geek out on gun stuff and get her mindset right and side with me. |
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Has she tried carrying on body? Purse carry is fraught with problems. That, and I'd start with a local instructor instead of choosing a handgun for her this early. IMO, it's more important than what she (or you) think is "the right one" is. A decent instructor will let her try out different pistols/wheel-guns prior to the purchase. She'll find one that seems to feel/work best for her. agreed .... be sure to thoroughly vett the Instructor as all instructors are not created equal. Ain't that the truth. Over and over again I've heard "I don't need classes, my great uncle was a cop and he's teaching me everything I need to know.." followed by fuddly nonsense. |
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Let her pick out her own gun as long as she doesn't pick out a piece of shit. I tried buying my wife guns several times, and she always found something about them to hate. Finally gave up trying to "help" and told her to pick out her own (Shield) then bought it for her. I's been much smoother sailing.
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The right answer is the one that is of quality construction that she picks out and will carry every chance she is legally allowed. View Quote This is the correct answer. To all that say a .38 snub: I ask if ya'll have ever seen women shoot them? Overall, most don't like them from what I've witnessed. I would consider j-frames in .327 mag though if a lady likes them. Cheers! -JC |
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I vote the LARGEST .380Auto as the little itty bitty ones like my LCP can be snappy and a small framed small handed woman may have a hard time with it. Also Bra holster?
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I don't think purse carry is the greatest idea either. Especially if in crowds. It's the first thing a mugger will take, then they will have a gun. Yuck.
My wife can't rack the slide on a lot of autos. We haven't tried them all, but she can't on any of the ones I own. And some of them are easy for me. Like my M9. She finds revolvers intuitive and can hit a target with them. She barely ever shoots though. I think that might start to change soon. All the hyped up shootings on the TV is making her think. My Mom has a smith and wesson revolver too. The one that is part polymer and a laser. I forget what they call it. She likes it a LOT better than the 9mm M&P she had. She finds it more enjoyable to shoot and simpler to operate. I like the idea of a .380 that soaks up some recoil. But the best bet is to have her try a gun before buying. It will probably make the difference between it being used and just sitting. This is my extent of women and guns. I hear stories of women rocking a weapon like they're special forces, but I've never seen one other than on youtube. I'm sure they our out there. My sister actually has more strength with weapons and is more aggressive, so I guess I do know one girl that is a bit more adept at gun handling. |
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Ain't that the truth. Over and over again I've heard "I don't need classes, my great uncle was a cop and he's teaching me everything I need to know.." followed by fuddly nonsense. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Has she tried carrying on body? Purse carry is fraught with problems. That, and I'd start with a local instructor instead of choosing a handgun for her this early. IMO, it's more important than what she (or you) think is "the right one" is. A decent instructor will let her try out different pistols/wheel-guns prior to the purchase. She'll find one that seems to feel/work best for her. agreed .... be sure to thoroughly vett the Instructor as all instructors are not created equal. Ain't that the truth. Over and over again I've heard "I don't need classes, my great uncle was a cop and he's teaching me everything I need to know.." followed by fuddly nonsense. Fuddly nonsense, eh...? I like that... Forrest |
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Quoted: I don't think purse carry is the greatest idea either. Especially if in crowds. It's the first thing a mugger will take, then they will have a gun. Yuck.
My wife can't rack the slide on a lot of autos. We haven't tried them all, but she can't on any of the ones I own. And some of them are easy for me. Like my M9. She finds revolvers intuitive and can hit a target with them. She barely ever shoots though. I think that might start to change soon. All the hyped up shootings on the TV is making her think. View Quote A little strapless purse that tucks under the arm? Absolutely, first thing a mugger will take. I agree. A diaper bag sized w/ a 1&1/2" cross-strap over the opposite shoulder? Purse snatcher is gonna look for the gal carrying the little purse under her arm, and grab that. All security is theater - all you need to do is look more difficult than the other target. Hard to draw from a diaper bag? W/ S&W's big .357"s, you can fire 8 shots from w/in the diaper bag. When your wife goes to rack the slide on your M9, does she cock the hammer 1st? Also, might check out the Walther CCP - an exception to the rule that longer slides are easier to rack, as it's gas-delayed blowback. |
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This is the correct answer. To all that say a .38 snub: I ask if ya'll have ever seen women shoot them? Overall, most don't like them from what I've witnessed. I would consider j-frames in .327 mag though if a lady likes them. Cheers! -JC View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The right answer is the one that is of quality construction that she picks out and will carry every chance she is legally allowed. This is the correct answer. To all that say a .38 snub: I ask if ya'll have ever seen women shoot them? Overall, most don't like them from what I've witnessed. I would consider j-frames in .327 mag though if a lady likes them. Cheers! -JC I like a first gun to be two guns. One for training and the other for carry. It allows you to carry a little gun that kind of sucks to shoot and to train all day with the full size you sleep next to at night. |
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Get your wife over to the rental range and see what fits her hand and what she can easily work with.
Glocks are pretty easy to work the slide but the frames don't fit all hands. My wife took my G19 for herself and she shoots it about 1/2 the time with an Advantage Arms kit installed on it (.22lr). She used to carry a Sig 239 9mm and that was very smooth in operation. She shot the G19 better, so that was it for the Sig 239. |
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A little strapless purse that tucks under the arm? Absolutely, first thing a mugger will take. I agree. A diaper bag sized w/ a 1&1/2" cross-strap over the opposite shoulder? Purse snatcher is gonna look for the gal carrying the little purse under her arm, and grab that. All security is theater - all you need to do is look more difficult than the other target. Hard to draw from a diaper bag? W/ S&W's big .357"s, you can fire 8 shots from w/in the diaper bag. When your wife goes to rack the slide on your M9, does she cock the hammer 1st? Also, might check out the Walther CCP - an exception to the rule that longer slides are easier to rack, as it's gas-delayed blowback. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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My wife can't rack the slide on a lot of autos. We haven't tried them all, but she can't on any of the ones I own. And some of them are easy for me. Like my M9. She finds revolvers intuitive and can hit a target with them. She barely ever shoots though. I think that might start to change soon. All the hyped up shootings on the TV is making her think. A little strapless purse that tucks under the arm? Absolutely, first thing a mugger will take. I agree. A diaper bag sized w/ a 1&1/2" cross-strap over the opposite shoulder? Purse snatcher is gonna look for the gal carrying the little purse under her arm, and grab that. All security is theater - all you need to do is look more difficult than the other target. Hard to draw from a diaper bag? W/ S&W's big .357"s, you can fire 8 shots from w/in the diaper bag. When your wife goes to rack the slide on your M9, does she cock the hammer 1st? Also, might check out the Walther CCP - an exception to the rule that longer slides are easier to rack, as it's gas-delayed blowback. I should try the cocking of the hammer first. But she couldn't rack the G19. I tried different methods from Cornered Cat and such but to no avail. I think my M&P .45 is super easy, but I don't think she'd like the recoil when shooting it...... Not sure. |
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Quoted: I should try the cocking of the hammer first. But she couldn't rack the G19. I tried different methods from Cornered Cat and such but to no avail. I think my M&P .45 is super easy, but I don't think she'd like the recoil when shooting it...... Not sure. View Quote Try a Glock 17, and the Walther CCP. Also a 5" 1911 in 9x19mm, if you can find one. |
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Quoted: I should try the cocking of the hammer first. But she couldn't rack the G19. I tried different methods from Cornered Cat and such but to no avail. I think my M&P .45 is super easy, but I don't think she'd like the recoil when shooting it...... Not sure. Try a Glock 17, and the Walther CCP. Also a 5" 1911 in 9x19mm, if you can find one. I shot a 9mm 1911 full sized a couple of years ago and I was in love. It was everyone thing I thought it would be. Such a great shooter and super mild recoil. Etc etc. I've been debating the first one..... We FINALLY got one back in @ work. It's a Taurus, but just about every woman I hand it to will be able to rack the slide. $550. |
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