Noop.  Not a training scar at all  ….

Our instructor referred to it as, “engaging at your first opportunity from a disadvantaged position”  - essentially, taking your opponent by surprise. He stresses practicing this drill against a timer, among doing other drills.

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You can thank me later.

I'll watch later. I've never shot off reset I just do the full range boogie. All the way forward all the way back. I started that way with revolvers and just shoot everythuing that way. They used to tease me at USPSA for shooting my 2011 like that. Slappomatic style. I used to have a video of Leatham or Miculek talking about how they do it sometimes and would send people that link so they knew I was clearly using high level techniques

I get what you’re doing. My point is you’re building in a disadvantage. If you were to encounter this in a real life scenario, you will be more inclined to voluntarily enter a surrender position (because that’s how you train), rather than keeping your hands closer to your weapon, where you can draw faster with less of a visible signature.

Okay, fair point.

The only context where training to draw from the "hands up" position is a disadvantage would be sport competition.

Easy solution.

If you walk around the world with your hands only in the surrender position, then just train that.  

If you walk around the world and think that you'll never be caught off guard and always have your hand next to your holster, then just train that.

If you are merely a human being and can't predict what the day will bring you, train accordingly.  To me, that means training for both.

I do with one pistol. A S&W Bodyguard 380. Longest damn trigger pull of any pistol I own. I've gotten used to staging the trigger to about the point of fire on the first round also. I do okay with it at ten yards which is what it's about good for and it serves as a tiny pocket pistol. Terrible for rapid fire as occasionally I'll miss a beat and have to pull again but it will go bang as its a DA.

Riding the reset is the pistol equivalent of shooting an AR with your nose to the charging handle.  A poor technique used for training basic entry level shooters to pass slow fire quals. If you don't understand why either is bad, you need to go out and seek some training!

Slack out, sight picture, PRessssssss

I find the wall again during recoil.

This is the way.

'Reset'? Me neither. Some shooters will ride the thumb safety on a 1911 so they don't engage it by accident. I do not know, and really don't care what some dweebs on here think a 're-set' is on a gun.

Oh man. I saw this and laughed a little at how different people are. Amongst my group of friends when someone gets caught doing something wrong or just stupid, you will get called on it and then get ragged for about 5min straight. We all agree it helps keep egos in check

As far as riding the reset, I’ll do it on occasion just messing around but have never considered making it a habit. I think it’s a bad thing to get in a habit of, especially when talk8mg self defense. I have noticed with my p320, it kinda has a false reset and when I get it wrong, I find myself doing a kind of weird flinch/dip that I don’t seem to do if I’m not real focused on the reset

If riding the reset is wrong, I don't wanna be right.

There's nothing wrong with nose to charging handle if that's where you head fits comfortably

Been shooting a long time but mostly a 1911 and recently got a Canik tp9. Like the Canik trigger but I prefer to ride the reset while shooting steel.

I can shoot it faster and accurate that way and my preferred way. I will stick what works for me and will advise any others stick to what works for you.

That's because it has a striker fired trigger and no safety.  So manufacturers make them have a longer pull.  If you ride the reset it makes them closer to a single action pistol.  Before strikers not many worried about reset because revolvers don't have one and a 1911 is such a short stroke that you don't need to ride the reset.  But riding the reset can cause trouble you can't hear the reset when firing and in a self defense situation your fine motor skill deteriorate.  I think often we worry to much about accuracy for normal self defense situations a pie plate at 5 yards is the maximum needed.

Unless you have a giraffe neck, it is impossible to get straight back aligned behind the rifle and have your nose on the charging handle while maintaining proper length of pull.
NTCH is a trash strategy that was taught for a time when people were still shooting with the rifle canted on their shoulder while prone.

Good info

Busting each other's balls we will do that but some of the guys I shoot with take it super personal when you tell them anything about their shooting.  I have a few friends who do not mind the banter and appreciate it and I have one friend who I often have critic me.  Some of the guys they get super butthurt like you have kicked their dog and fucked their wife if you say anything.

Example:  A good friend of mine has a LaRue tOBR decked out to be the greatest precision AR10 you could imagine with Schmidt and Bender scope, accu-tac bi-pod, and you name whatever expensive accessories.  One day he is throwing down 2-3MOA groups and starts bitching the rifle must be fucked up or something is wrong with it.  I observe him shoot and still 2-3MOA groups and almost zero wind this day.  I ask him can I shoot 5 rounds out of the rifle before I make an observation statement about his shooting.  He grumbles and agrees so I give him 5 rounds of my ammo since he is like that if you shoot one of his rounds you have to repay him in ammo or cash but whatever.  I put up a 4 shot touching almost hard to tell it is 4 shots and 1 just barely off of the group maybe 1/8" away.  I am by no means a top shot precision shooter and the rifle is fairly hot at the same time.  He sees the group and immediately asks what did I change on his rifle and I look at him puzzled.  Have to explain you watched me get behind the rifle and do nothing except press 5 shots off.  Then I say do you want to know what I think it is or what I observed?  He grumbles again and says it cannot be him but go ahead.  I explain he was not doing very good breath control he was shooting on inhale and exhale or during.  He was not pressing the trigger he was slapping/yanking it and overall he was not relaxed one bit while shooting.  I even told him the first shot he took that did not go as intended his whole outward appearance and demeanor changed.  He gave off a sense of building frustration and irritation with each follow up shot.  I finished it off with I fuck up all the time on taking a shot but I immediately let it go and move on accepting I am going to fuck up and fuck up often.  Him he makes one mistake and it is completely downhill from there and that he has to learn that it happens move on and start over with fundamentals when you mess up.  This is why I am not an expert precision shooter because I still mess up shots and sub-MOA groups are the exception for me not the norm plus I accepted a long time ago I am about a 1-1.5MOA shooter and I am ok with that as long as I am always trying to get better.  Shooting is just for fun for me and I do not take it personally but I do wish I was a better precision rifle shooter and some day I am when I really get my head in it.  

As of lately I have become better behind a rifle I have a friend I made awhile back at the range who does precision shooting competitions.  He is brutally honest with me no sugarcoating when we shoot and he sees something I am doing wrong.  Which has helped me a lot improve as a shooter and also getting better equipment that just using my existing rifles has been a huge help.

Exactly. I don't even notice it

Was just at a training about a month ago without with two ex seals and a LE trainer. They were all about the reset, and reset under recoil. While for people not familiar with that they instructed to feel the click and develop the muscle memory. For the more experienced folks it was reset under recoil, and this was for certain drills where fast follow up shots and accuracy were stressed. Now some of it was for the folks with SA/DA guns to be quicker than letting it out all the way to do follow-ups. For us single action crowd and MM resets it was a non issue.

I wonder how they develop that muscle memory across different platforms with different resets.