Can anyone tell me much about this old PP? From what I have been told it was purchased around 1978-1982 roughly in Germany by an individual stationed there. Mint condition, maybe 95% on a bad day but i cant see anything wrong with it other than lint in the oil. No import marks on it. I will look it over better tomorrow but I think the only marking is "walther" and some proof marks. I just didnt know what years were "walther" and which were Manurhin.

Photo of the other side of the pistol would help.

I have the same gun.

The mags are STUPID expensive.

It runs great on minimags and not much else.

Mine was imported by Interarms.

Nice looking pistol.

I only have the two mags. Any idea which floor pate is the original design? I have one that is flat and one that has a curved extension.

Depending on the year, I think they came with one of each.  Man yours is CLEAN.  I bet that's worth a little coin.  Mine has had the piss shot out of it.  My dad loved the thing for some reason.

The date code is on the barrel. Yours was made in 1965.  And the serial number range lines up with that as well.

The "65" on the chamber shroud that is visible through the ejection port is the year that the pistol was proofed by the Ulm proof house, that is the antler stamp after the number, this correlates to the year the pistol was made.

The eagle over the letter N is the standard German nitro proof stamp.

The answer is both. If I remember correctly, they came with one of each. Is there an import mark on the frame dust cover under the front of the slide or sometimes under a grip?

ETA: I looked at the OP again, and those are both original mags as far as I can see.

One of the things i love about it is it doesn't have an import stamp. It was purches in Germany and brought back by a service member.

Regarding Manurhin versus Walther PPs, there’s some interesting history there.

Germany was banned from small arms production for 10 years following WWII so Walther contracted iwoth Manurhin in the Alsace region of France (ceded to France after WWI, so “French” Germans).

Walther made the forgings for the slides and frames which were then shipped to Manurhin for machining.  Manurhin also made the small parts, blued and finished everything, assembled 5em and proofed them.

Once Germany was allowed to produce small arms again they started “making” the PP and PPK in Germany again.  However what this meant was that they continued to forge the slides and send them to Manurhin who again milled the frame and slide, made all the small parts, and then finished everything except the slide.  They then shipped the parts to Walther where the slide was then induction hardened and blued, roll marked by Walther, assembled and then proofed in Germany.  Under German law finishing, roll marking and proofing the slide was enough to count as manufactured in Germany.

One of the effects of the slide being blued in France by Manurhin and the slide being induction hardened and then blued by Walther is Germany is that the bluing on the frame and slide usually doesn’t match.

One look at yours told me it was made prior to 1986 when Walther discontinued its agreement with Manurhin and finally started making the complete pistol in Germany.

Walther pistols are of course more highly regarded and the pre war specimens are extremely well made. However the post war the Manurhin pistols have the advantage of matching bluing. Many PP fans also regard the post 1986 entirely Walther made pistols as objectively being lower quality than the Manurhin made pistols. By that time they had 30 years of experience making them while Walther was just starting over with them again.