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Posted: 5/20/2024 4:01:03 PM EDT
Did some live fire practice over the weekend and had a magazine randomly drop out... but no other malfunctions... did a few reloads at slidelock... which was kind of surprising, as I have aftermarket followers.
Went to do some dryfire today, and the slide was hard to rack... and now won't reassemble. Apparently the DWX let's magazines be easily over inserted, which bends this piece of metal....  Attached File Attached FileAnyone that's dealt with CZ USA (Dan Wesson) lately knows that they're having MAJOR issues with customer service. How screwed am I? I was hoping to shoot a match on June 2nd... There is ZERO aftermarket support right now for getting parts and I'm imagining I have to send it in for repairs... |
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Posted: 5/20/2024 4:28:06 PM EDT
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That's the ejector.
Are you using P10 mags with the plastic floor plates? I've heard of others having this issue, supposedly this is specific to the P10 mags with plastic floorplates and the DWX specific metal floorplate mags do not allow enough over insertion to hit the ejector. |
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Posted: 5/20/2024 4:56:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mak0: That's the ejector. Are you using P10 mags with the plastic floor plates? I've heard of others having this issue, supposedly this is specific to the P10 mags with plastic floorplates and the DWX specific metal floorplate mags do not allow enough over insertion to hit the ejector. I've got aftermarket basepads and a magwell... I have aftermarket followers too, so the slide shouldn't have even been locking back |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 5/20/2024 5:33:43 PM EDT
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That is the ejector. You could bend it back in place by lightly tapping on the top of it with a hammer.
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Posted: 5/20/2024 5:36:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sigman68: That is the ejector. You could bend it back in place by lightly tapping on the top of it with a hammer. Since posting, I've pounded on it with the plastic part of the screwdriver to get it back in working order... im still concerned about the eventual breakage of it though and I'm hoping they'll send me a replacement |
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Posted: 5/20/2024 5:51:21 PM EDT
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That wee bend won't hurt anything. Just don't make it a habit.
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Posted: 5/20/2024 6:54:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jos51700: That wee bend won't hurt anything. Just don't make it a habit. If it was just the bend, I wouldn't be as concerned, but the metal has actually been cut into...  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/20/2024 8:20:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dfariswheel]
[#7]
Check and find out if a standard Colt 1911 ejector will interchange.
If so, replacement isn't difficult. To replace, be very careful not the twist or bend the part or the legs might snap off. That's big trouble. Drive the retaining pin out from left to right. Give it a shot of Kroil and let soak over night. If you see any signs of a Loctite having been used, warm the frame and ejector to melt the Loctite...NOT HOT, just good and warm. Grip the ejector in a padded vise and pull the frame straight up without tilting or twisting. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/20/2024 9:13:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lilMAC25]
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Originally Posted By BMSMB: Did some live fire practice over the weekend and had a magazine randomly drop out... but no other malfunctions... did a few reloads at slidelock... which was kind of surprising, as I have aftermarket followers. Went to do some dryfire today, and the slide was hard to rack... and now won't reassemble. Apparently the DWX let's magazines be easily over inserted, which bends this piece of metal.... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/481792/1000008472_jpg-3219326.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/481792/1000008471_jpg-3219327.JPG Anyone that's dealt with CZ USA (Dan Wesson) lately knows that they're having MAJOR issues with customer service. How screwed am I? I was hoping to shoot a match on June 2nd... There is ZERO aftermarket support right now for getting parts and I'm imagining I have to send it in for repairs... Good news, I called CZ today around 1430 and got through to CS on the 2nd ring. They’ve hired more folks and are turning the CS issues around. ETA: according to the “DWX PARTS CHART” the extractor is a CZ part. If the rumors that it’s a modified P09 top half are true, then it’s likely around a $35-40 part.  Attached FileCall DW and ask. Heck, call CZC or GGW and ask. They might know. https://cajungunworks.com/product/17-p-0709-extractor-9mm40sw/ https://benstoegerproshop.com/cz-p-10-p10-extractor/ |
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Posted: 5/20/2024 10:29:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25: Good news, I called CZ today around 1430 and got through to CS on the 2nd ring. They’ve hired more folks and are turning the CS issues around. ETA: according to the “DWX PARTS CHART” the extractor is a CZ part. If the rumors that it’s a modified P09 top half are true, then it’s likely around a $35-40 part. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/71141/IMG_4601_jpeg-3197858.JPG Call DW and ask. Heck, call CZC or GGW and ask. They might know. https://cajungunworks.com/product/17-p-0709-extractor-9mm40sw/ https://benstoegerproshop.com/cz-p-10-p10-extractor/ Not the extractor sadly, but the ejector... which is weirdly missing from that list... like the previous person said, I may be able to fit a 1911 one to it! |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 5/21/2024 1:41:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: leelaw]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BMSMB: I've got aftermarket basepads and a magwell... Over insertion of 2011 platform magazines resulting in damage to the ejector has been a real concern for a long time. The good news is that, from a cursory look, the ejector looks like a 1911/2011 9mm style, so a replacement shouldn't be that hard unless CZ went completely proprietary with their dimensions. The bad news is that your magwell and baseplate combination is a known bad combination and should be swapped out. Your basepads are probably ok if you only do in battery reloads with them. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/21/2024 9:45:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: lilMAC25]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BMSMB: Not the extractor sadly, but the ejector... which is weirdly missing from that list... like the previous person said, I may be able to fit a 1911 one to it! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BMSMB: Originally Posted By lilMAC25: Good news, I called CZ today around 1430 and got through to CS on the 2nd ring. They’ve hired more folks and are turning the CS issues around. ETA: according to the “DWX PARTS CHART” the extractor is a CZ part. If the rumors that it’s a modified P09 top half are true, then it’s likely around a $35-40 part. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/71141/IMG_4601_jpeg-3197858.JPG Call DW and ask. Heck, call CZC or GGW and ask. They might know. https://cajungunworks.com/product/17-p-0709-extractor-9mm40sw/ https://benstoegerproshop.com/cz-p-10-p10-extractor/ Not the extractor sadly, but the ejector... which is weirdly missing from that list... like the previous person said, I may be able to fit a 1911 one to it! Dang it. Sorry. https://www.reddit.com/r/DWX/comments/1c6t39q/bent_ejector_issue_fixes/ ETA: the CZ75 ejector is a part of the cage that holds the sear and disconnector. Not sure about DWX. I’ll keep Looking. ACxREAL has a complete takedown and reassembly video on YouTube that I’ve referenced a lot. FWIW, EGW makes a lot of the small parts for it. So it’s probably an EGW ejector. I don’t know which one.  Dan Wesson DWX disassembly Walkthrough |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/21/2024 6:13:02 PM EDT
[#12]
A Sig P320 Subcompact will do the exact same thing if someone is slamming full size or even XCarry mags into it. You have to have a base to limit penetration.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 6/29/2024 8:05:57 AM EDT
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Just saw this
 ...I bought 4 each P10 fullsize magazines off the DW webstore in Nov 2023 unused so far. I just checked one in my DWX (is an early one) This thread worried me I pulled slide off and found the P10 magazine had more clearence to your damaged part than the factory red based magazines. I suspect a tolerance stack up issue between frames and magazines...with a bit more concern toward the magazine tolerences Did you send it in with offending magazines either way DW/CZ should fix it Should I post pictures?  I need to check the other 3 magazines I bought |
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Posted: 6/29/2024 9:03:03 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By BMSMB: Did some live fire practice over the weekend and had a magazine randomly drop out... but no other malfunctions... did a few reloads at slidelock... which was kind of surprising, as I have aftermarket followers. Went to do some dryfire today, and the slide was hard to rack... and now won't reassemble. Apparently the DWX let's magazines be easily over inserted, which bends this piece of metal.... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/481792/1000008472_jpg-3219326.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/481792/1000008471_jpg-3219327.JPG Anyone that's dealt with CZ USA (Dan Wesson) lately knows that they're having MAJOR issues with customer service. How screwed am I? I was hoping to shoot a match on June 2nd... There is ZERO aftermarket support right now for getting parts and I'm imagining I have to send it in for repairs... I did the exact same thing to a P320X5 during a 32rd USPSA stage at a major match. Nothing like turning your semi-auto into a single-shot on the clock. There is no shoulder in the grip to prevent over insertion, and I was told to use 17rd mags with 140mm extensions to prevent that from happening again. It can only happen during a slide-lock reload, so I just don't run the gun dry during a match if at all possible. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 6/29/2024 9:11:43 AM EDT
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Somebody please post link to "how to post pictures"
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/29/2024 10:15:11 AM EDT
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Not that hard to tune mags by adding some material (epoxy, JB Weld, plastic weld or other) to the problematic basepads to they seat at just the right depth. I had to do this with Glock mags before and with Canik CZ 75 compact clone so I could use CZ mags with it. Prep the shoulders of the mag bases and add more material than needed, then sand down. To proper dimension. Wipe down with silicone after it cures so that it all blends in or even stiple it to match.
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Posted: 6/29/2024 11:35:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By critter328: Just saw this ...I bought 4 each P10 fullsize magazines off the DW webstore in Nov 2023 unused so far. I just checked one in my DWX (is an early one) This thread worried me I pulled slide off and found the P10 magazine had more clearence to your damaged part than the factory red based magazines. I suspect a tolerance stack up issue between frames and magazines...with a bit more concern toward the magazine tolerences Did you send it in with offending magazines either way DW/CZ should fix it Should I post pictures? I need to check the other 3 magazines I bought CZ never responded to my email. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 6/29/2024 1:28:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: critter328]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BMSMB: CZ never responded to my email. recently I noticed a change on the DW customer service line call them ....I can dig thru my emails for a person I went thru if needed They own it the mags are out of spec or the pistol frame is out of spec I went thru a few customer service person then this lady helped and fixed the problem check your messages for a point of contact that helped me ...let me know you got it |
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Posted: 6/29/2024 10:21:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By critter328: recently I noticed a change on the DW customer service line call them ....I can dig thru my emails for a person I went thru if needed They own it the mags are out of spec or the pistol frame is out of spec I went thru a few customer service person then this lady helped and fixed the problem check your messages for a point of contact that helped me ...let me know you got it Thanks for the info! I'll send her an email... im hoping at the very least to find out if there's something on the market I can fit myself |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 7/1/2024 6:54:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BMSMB: Thanks for the info! I'll send her an email... im hoping at the very least to find out if there's something on the market I can fit myself Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BMSMB: Originally Posted By critter328: recently I noticed a change on the DW customer service line call them ....I can dig thru my emails for a person I went thru if needed They own it the mags are out of spec or the pistol frame is out of spec I went thru a few customer service person then this lady helped and fixed the problem check your messages for a point of contact that helped me ...let me know you got it Thanks for the info! I'll send her an email... im hoping at the very least to find out if there's something on the market I can fit myself If it’s Genny, she’s great. Might take 2-3 days, but she almost always answers. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 7/4/2024 7:37:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Roland-G23: I did the exact same thing to a P320X5 during a 32rd USPSA stage at a major match. Nothing like turning your semi-auto into a single-shot on the clock. There is no shoulder in the grip to prevent over insertion, and I was told to use 17rd mags with 140mm extensions to prevent that from happening again. It can only happen during a slide-lock reload, so I just don't run the gun dry during a match if at all possible. thats another reason many uspsa competitors get rid of slide lock intentionally as you'll always plan your reload such you dont run dry on a stage: 1) no overinsertion issues possivle 2) non slide lock (grams) followers hold 1-2 more rounds in 140mm mags 3) no premature slide lockbacks, w/rouds remaining, due to high grip/long thumbs (especially ambi slide locks) |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 7/8/2024 5:44:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jdk1: A Sig P320 Subcompact will do the exact same thing if someone is slamming full size or even XCarry mags into it. You have to have a base to limit penetration. ALL pistols can have this issue if you use a magazine that is too tall and it gets over inserted. The first time anybody saw it was in the 70's when the officer size 1911 became popular. if you take a full size 1911 magazine and slam it into the compact officer size, the magazine's insertion is stopped by the ejector. Do it hard enough or long enough and you can eventually bend or snap the ejector clean off. We saw this same issue all over again in the 90's when the glock 17 and 19 became popular. Slam a G17 magazine into a G19 without an adapter sleeve and the ejector will eventually bend or snap. Anytime you over insert a magazine into ANY pistol by ANY method but especially if you do it when the slide is locked to the rear, the ejector takes a beating. |
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Posted: 7/8/2024 11:22:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BMSMB]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Taskmaster86: ALL pistols can have this issue if you use a magazine that is too tall and it gets over inserted. The first time anybody saw it was in the 70's when the officer size 1911 became popular. if you take a full size 1911 magazine and slam it into the compact officer size, the magazine's insertion is stopped by the ejector. Do it hard enough or long enough and you can eventually bend or snap the ejector clean off. We saw this same issue all over again in the 90's when the glock 17 and 19 became popular. Slam a G17 magazine into a G19 without an adapter sleeve and the ejector will eventually bend or snap. Anytime you over insert a magazine into ANY pistol by ANY method but especially if you do it when the slide is locked to the rear, the ejector takes a beating. Eh... I slammed magazines into my SP-01s way harder and probably somewhere in the thousands of times while slidelocked and I never noticed so much as a nick... I practiced reloads on those so much I literally wore a hole in the magazine brake. No issues from over insertion ever. |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 7/10/2024 7:25:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BMSMB: Eh... I slammed magazines into my SP-01s way harder and probably somewhere in the thousands of times while slidelocked and I never noticed so much as a nick... I practiced reloads on those so much I literally wore a hole in the magazine brake. No issues from over insertion ever. That's because you were using you were using the correct magazines and therefore not OVER-inserting the magazines. Now, slam your SP-01 mags into a P-01, PCR or 75 compact and you will damage the ejector like we are talking about here. |
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Posted: 7/10/2024 8:43:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BMSMB]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Taskmaster86: That's because you were using you were using the correct magazines and therefore not OVER-inserting the magazines. Now, slam your SP-01 mags into a P-01, PCR or 75 compact and you will damage the ejector like we are talking about here. I was using extended basepads on them... absolutely no contact between the basepad and the magwell. I would intentionally slam those mags too, because if I did it hard enough, it would cause the slide to release. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 7/20/2024 9:03:14 AM EDT
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Any fix to the issue?
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Posted: 7/20/2024 10:17:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25: Any fix to the issue? No updates yet. I've been swamped with non-shootinf projects |
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